Got to let DJ walk if hes looking for over six per

[dav7z]

Its way to many point guards in the free agent class to give DJ six per or even five . I feel we can up grade or get a decent vetran to back up Kemba for the same or less money.

http://www.newsday.com/sports/basketball/2012-nba-free-agent-rankings-1.3444537

Dragic , Nelson , Felton , to name a few . All of whitch will be in the six per price range or less .
Its tons of options your thoughts.

[Mustachio]

Got to let DJ Walk if hes looking for over 3 mil per year.

He isn't a leader, he isn't our starter and he wont want to sit behind Kemba. I think Kembas potential > DJ's known ability. that doesn't just include basketball ability, but leadership, clutch ability and media relations.

[dav7z]

I think we can get Dragic at around 3 to 4 mil per
Nelson around 5 mil for about 3 years
Felton at about 3 mil for two years
Mo Williams at around 5 per might be a nice pick up
Arenas might be a bargin but would want to start
AJ Price could be had for Higgins money .
Hindrick could be had at about 4 mil per

Ballwhore said DJ is looking for over 7 per but with this free agent class i couldn;t give it to him

[Deadshot]

I would imagine that Dragic could make more with another team. Dallas and Indiana will have the money to throw a deal at Deron Williams, and whoever loses will likely also pursue Nash, Dragic, etc. And the Nets will need to find a replacement for DWil. I doubt Arenas would want to start at this point, I think he's starting to realize how lucky he is to even be in the league (unless he has a Tinsley like comeback next season). Price will definitely be available but believe me, you'll have to live with the chucking.

[spectre]

I don't think any of those get less than the mid level...around 5 per? It's still going to take a season or two before the harder CBA takes full effect so teams will kick out this offseason.

From what I've seen on other boards Dragic could push near 8.

Not because DJ isn't a decent player but because of our situation I'd pass on anything above the QO.

[dav7z]

I don't think any of those get less than the mid level...around 5 per? It's still going to take a season or two before the harder CBA takes full effect so teams will kick out this offseason.

From what I've seen on other boards Dragic could push near 8.

Not because DJ isn't a decent player but because of our situation I'd pass on anything above the QO.
Thats my position i dont want to give over the QO with all thease free agent points . We have Kemba and im ready to give him some time to devolope . Someone like a Felton shouldn't require over 3 per .A Miller , J Nelson might be nice but would require to much . Dragic seems to be the prize this season and might require 8 per . If thats the case Dragic would have to start . Mo Williams makes 8 per but says hell take less for a starting role . How good is MO? Another one is Hindrick . The artical says he will catch on some team as a back up point for far less money . He might be a option .
thoughts

[ballwhore]

Only player signing for less than 5mil or maybe 6mil will be Gilbert Arenas like Spectre said the CBA hasn't kicked in yet and the agents are very aware. It's one thing saying you can get a pg like Hinrich for cheap but the player has to want to come to Charlotte. The only way a veteran pg like Hinrich comes to Charlotte is if he gets paid more than he will else where. Guys like that have made money and want to be part of a contender not a rebuilding losing program. In my opinion Charlotte will have to pay more than any other team to get anyone legit back up or starter.

[Chef]

It's one thing saying you can get a pg like Hinrich for cheap but the player has to want to come to Charlotte.

no truer words have been written in awhile

[spectre]

All those guys will be out of our price range but I'm willing to go old and cheap. I'd also be looking towards Milwaukee to see if they do the opt out on Livingston. Go for both, not just one. Be thinking depth with few years.

[TheBeagle]

All those guys will be out of our price range but I'm willing to go old and cheap. I'd also be looking towards Milwaukee to see if they do the opt out on Livingston. Go for both, not just one. Be thinking depth with few years. Yes. In rebuild mode, my mantra is vet minimum in terms of going after FAs, at all positions, not just the 1. The exception being the UPS signing earlier in the year...but then he had a fondness for Charlotte and that is a true rareity. But that's the kind of value signing I'm talking about.

With DJ, I just really don't want to see him walk but then again I don't want to have to take on any contract longer than a year if we do the sign and trade. If I thought he could net us decent talent, I'd be okay with a longer contract but DJ's value is such I can't see that happening. All in all, this will be Raymond Felton Part 2...signing for less money than was wanted from us but not with us.

[dav7z]

Yes. In rebuild mode, my mantra is vet minimum in terms of going after FAs, at all positions, not just the 1. The exception being the UPS signing earlier in the year...but then he had a fondness for Charlotte and that is a true rareity. But that's the kind of value signing I'm talking about.

With DJ, I just really don't want to see him walk but then again I don't want to have to take on any contract longer than a year if we do the sign and trade. If I thought he could net us decent talent, I'd be okay with a longer contract but DJ's value is such I can't see that happening. All in all, this will be Raymond Felton Part 2...signing for less money than was wanted from us but not with us.

I really think Felton would be a nice back up to Kemba and push him . With the year he had he can't comand to much money . He would bring energy off the beanch and can run a offence . I all so think he would bust ass in the off season . I would do three years at three per .
Jamison would be another great singing . Just for his leadership and teaching he would be worth 2 years at five per. Just a couple quility vetrans to mix in with thease kids. Bad porn and TT has no leadership abilitys at all.

[ballwhore]

Man some of you dudes I swear..WTF... Felton comes back to Charlotte to back up a pg he is better then in what dream...He is on the right side of 30...You guys on here don't know what ya'll want a cheap vet to back up or someone to teach. Anybody that comes to this team is only coming because they have no where else to go or they are getting paid more than they would with any other team. By the way Tyrus ask to be amnesty

[JGib23]

Fuck Tyrus.

I agree it's going to be difficult to get a free agent to sign here without overpaying. Unless it's a Jamison situation and he just wants to play at home and have his kids see him play 41 nights a year and be home.

[ballwhore]

Really it's more like fuck the bobcats from everyone.....agents to players.......

[JGib23]

Really it's more like fuck the bobcats from everyone.....agents to players.......

I wish that I thought you were wrong.

[ballwhore]

Stand in the mirror and sell your client worth anything on why he should go to the bobcats....You could be the man...They have henderson,diop, kemba, biyombo and MJ is the owner...lmao

[JGib23]

I agree 100%.

We either overpay or take a chance on unproven talent looking for minutes. (which is why I can't understand not taking a chance on Lin, Gerald Green, Danny Green, Teeance Williams, etc, etc

[GoBobs]

I think DJ is a good player. When this team is ready to take a step we are going to need some vets. I wouldn't mind keeping him around for the right price. If he plays well enough he can be the starting pg, if not he can back up Kemba.

Nobody is going to offer DJ a bunch of money. The best offer I can see him getting is like 7 mil for 2 or three years. I think we make the qo and see what other teams offer. If DJ wants security he can sign for what ever is on the table. If he wants more he can play one more year before signing a long contract and hope he has a good year. I think we can risk losing him for nothing. That would be better then overpaying.

[BIGCatBobcat]

Yeah, I'm going to read through all of your guys' stuff here, but....just on the basic premise: I'll help him pack his bags if someone offers him more than $5 million per. I think he's underappreciated, but if anyone was going to appreciate him, it'd be us and especially me. I nothing the hell out of DJ. I mean, Larry Brown stunted his growth, no one was there to supplement him. He was behind Ray, had last year to himself and then they drafted Kemba in the first round. Never had a chance in a lot of ways but never took control of what he could control, if that makes sense. Love the guy as a Bobcat but keeping it real, he's not all that and a bag of potato chips.

[dav7z]

Yeah, I'm going to read through all of your guys' stuff here, but....just on the basic premise: I'll help him pack his bags if someone offers him more than $5 million per. I think he's underappreciated, but if anyone was going to appreciate him, it'd be us and especially me. I nothing the hell out of DJ. I mean, Larry Brown stunted his growth, no one was there to supplement him. He was behind Ray, had last year to himself and then they drafted Kemba in the first round. Never had a chance in a lot of ways but never took control of what he could control, if that makes sense. Love the guy as a Bobcat but keeping it real, he's not all that and a bag of potato chips.

Thats all im saying all so .. Ballwhore , I know you said DJ is headed to Portland and or going to comand 7plus mil per . I just don't think we pay that . Ive named tons of names but most feel they not a option . So can anyone name a player or two who might sign with Charlotte . Ballwhore would love your input sence you closer to things than us.

I would all so like to say i think DJ is futher along than KEMBA but i just don't see things working out . So your thoughts please . Is Charlotte ruled out compleatly . Would DJ consider a long term deal hear. At what price?

[Mustachio]

Stand in the mirror and sell your client worth anything on why he should go to the bobcats....You could be the man...They have henderson,diop, kemba, biyombo and MJ is the owner...lmao


You might want to watch what you say about MJ... he does pay DJ quite handsomely to wear his shoes. So laugh your ass off all you want, but I don't see any other owners signing DJ to their billion dollar shoe brand. Just make sure you and DJ use that Portland money wisely. If they pay him 7 mil dollars, it'll be the last big check he gets for playing basketball. Ceiling : reached.

and of course it is hard to recruit veteran free agents to a 7 win rebuilding team. Also breaking news: Water is wet. We don't need Steve Nash right now, we don't need any vet free agents who don't wanna be here. We are rebuilding with youth. no player is going to turn this around immediately so this argument that no one wants to come here is a dumb one. Felton would be an excellent choice, I think he would be a great fit behind Kemba if he would be ok with that role and accept a <4 mil offer. I'd be ok with DJ staying as a backup too. But not for any more than 4... he just isn't good enough to command more than that here. Thats not a knock on DJ per say either. I don't really like him as a player, but realize he has some qualities. I'm just saying let someone else pay him 7, rather than us pay him 7 and stay bad to mediocre and crush any cap flexibility we've built. He just isn't good enough to command 7 million when he was the starting point guard on a 7 win team. We won 7 games last year.... we can sign ANY point guard on earth and get that kind of win total for MUCH less than 7 million dollars.

[ballwhore]

Say buddy DJ chose jordan brand he had several other offers that would pay triple of Jordan cheap ass. Only 8 players out of all the ones that play ball get paid from jordan brand and DJ is one of them the rest just get gear. He uses his clout for his sneakers but can't do the same for his team and these dumb asses go for it like middle school kids. His contract is up this year and rather he signs with plain old nike, li ning, peak or addidas it will be at least triple the 40k a year from jordan. Dude they have start up companies that try to pay these guys a million a year. So you shut the h3ll up you don't know the half 40k ain't sh#t to nba players signed to wear shoes h#ll diaw gets almost 100k a year on his shoe deal. I will always lmao especially at someone like you that can predict the future. H3ll he might not get 7 million but he is grounded so you won't hear about him with 5 baby momma's or driving a bently so coin will be saved. It's laughable saying give him 4 million and the QO is more than that:thumbdown:

[ballwhore]

Dav7..Dj wants to move on really. The direction of the team will only decrease his worth. Think about it by the time the bobcats rebuild and is ready to be in the playoffs at the least dj would be maybe in his 8th year in the league. Losing takes it's toll on anyone. Here is a guy that's won on every level but is saying he is getting use to losing being in Charlotte. Some of the stories that were told this past weekend from him , Tyrus, and D. Brown were comical and at the same time disgraceful of how the organization is ran. DJ is not even trippin on starting anymore just wants a better situation and to be paid what the league basically has mandated a player with his experience and numbers is worth. Hell the QO is 4 something and that was set by the league. His potential will not be realized playing with a bunch of third tier players. Neither will Henderson, Kemba or Biyombo. He will be in Charlotte only if they pay more than the highest offer he gets elsewhere remember he is restricterd so they have the say in that but most likely he is out Portland, Orlando, Utah are three teams slated to make offers. If had to guess he is out and will get around 3yrs at 18 to 20

[SWedd523]

"I'm going to turn down offers of triple this, but I'm going to sign with Jordan!"

"Man Jordan is cheap, he doesn't pay me anything!"



Yeah... makes sense. Good thing DJ isn't a good basketball player or I'd be sweating him leaving

[dav7z]

Say buddy DJ chose jordan brand he had several other offers that would pay triple of Jordan cheap ass. Only 8 players out of all the ones that play ball get paid from jordan brand and DJ is one of them the rest just get gear. He uses his clout for his sneakers but can't do the same for his team and these dumb asses go for it like middle school kids. His contract is up this year and rather he signs with plain old nike, li ning, peak or addidas it will be at least triple the 40k a year from jordan. Dude they have start up companies that try to pay these guys a million a year. So you shut the h3ll up you don't know the half 40k ain't sh#t to nba players signed to wear shoes h#ll diaw gets almost 100k a year on his shoe deal. I will always lmao especially at someone like you that can predict the future. H3ll he might not get 7 million but he is grounded so you won't hear about him with 5 baby momma's or driving a bently so coin will be saved. It's laughable saying give him 4 million and the QO is more than that:thumbdown:

A few questions 1st why did he sign with Jordan brand if he could have got three times that from the get go? That makes no sence to me at all.
Next is it any chance of him coming back to Charlotte under his QO or even a conteact? At what price?
Next if all the free agent points i listed wouldn't come to Charlotte . Could you name the type player we might sign out of the free agent market .
As bad as im thinking the market is going to be this off season . Do you think he would be willing to sign something like 4 years at around five per . Thats not bad coin with all the points and most teams trying to shead salery. Like you said he don't have 5 mamas and a bently.
I do understand about his age and team direction . He would be much better off signing with a contender even if it is a s@t . Hes all but reached his cyling and only has that peak window to prove.
Last out of all the free agent points this year are you saying we can;t sign a decent back up . At a fire price. You act as if no one wants to come to Charlotte like its the D League. Its tons more players than teams and im sure lots of guys would give thair left nut to play in Charlotte.
Signing players hear can't be as bad as you stating is it . Or is it just a bad taste in DJs mouth because the crap hes been through .

[ballwhore]

Dude really? I said he is cheap and so has everyone else unless he is gambling but I guess you see the splurge in him. By the way it's not always about money to some people. Your owner just happens to be consider the g.oa.t. and owns the most popular shoe line and asked the rookie he drafted to sign. There was various angles that came with that signing if you have a bit more than an 5th grade education i'm sure you could think of a couple of angles yourself that would make sense for someone that already has money to take 80k less smarty pants.

[ballwhore]

Davz....bottom line Jordan has the best gear and he is already playing for him so why not? He gets paid 40k and an clothing allowance of an extra 40k. He likes Jordans what's so difficult about that to understand? He is not like us 80k doesn't make or brake him but guess what; perks like appearances came with that signing so it made up for it so of course to us it might not make sense but in the long run it's all good. Especially when grandpa on down is J'd up and just because you are signed you get a little preferential treatment when it come to some things. (Get it) Anyway, I think second third tier players will absolutely come to Charlotte but it will definitley not be a first choice. Tell me who you could see saying yeah? Charlotte the worst team in the NBA (stigma attached rather you won't to admit it or not Jordan is cheap and clueless) I want to go there. I see it more of "we'll we have exhausted all angles no takers but we have Charlotte left what you want to do?
Bottom dwellers don't get top talent unless they overpay or draft it and yes some players will give there left nut to play in Charlotte but i think it would be guys not even worth having.. again this is my opinion but it's off of some of what I hear

[ballwhore]

Davz only way he come back to Charlotte is if none else shows any interest. I think he will sign for 5 a year if he gets an 8-10 year contract. We'll see though I am hoping he gets well over paid but of course we have different angles. In all honesty I think on a legit team 6-7 for 3 years will be justiified. I hope i'm still on this board when it's Kembas time for a contract.

[Mustachio]

Say buddy DJ chose jordan brand he had several other offers that would pay triple of Jordan cheap ass. Only 8 players out of all the ones that play ball get paid from jordan brand and DJ is one of them the rest just get gear. He uses his clout for his sneakers but can't do the same for his team and these dumb asses go for it like middle school kids. His contract is up this year and rather he signs with plain old nike, li ning, peak or addidas it will be at least triple the 40k a year from jordan. Dude they have start up companies that try to pay these guys a million a year. So you shut the h3ll up you don't know the half 40k ain't sh#t to nba players signed to wear shoes h#ll diaw gets almost 100k a year on his shoe deal. I will always lmao especially at someone like you that can predict the future. H3ll he might not get 7 million but he is grounded so you won't hear about him with 5 baby momma's or driving a bently so coin will be saved. It's laughable saying give him 4 million and the QO is more than that:thumbdown:


Just so you know, I thought I cleaned up my post so that it didn't sound as confrontational as it could have... apparently that didn't work. My main point is that while DJ is a decent player. It doesn't make sense for use to pay him what he can demand, when he won't make us drastically better. And it doesn't make sense for him to sign here if he wants to start and win immediately. And i definitely did not mean that DJ would unwisely spend his money... just that I don't think at his age, years in the league and ability that he will get another big check like 7 mil. basically saying that next team to sign him to a contract that big, wouldn't be eager to do so again.

And as far as the Jordan thing goes... say what you want about players not wanting to play for Jordan, but you just said DJ had his choice and signed with Jordan willingly. Says a lot I think.

[ballwhore]

Playing for him and wearing his clothes are two different things. What it says is your damn clothing line and shoes are the sh#t to me. If he had his choice of teams to play for it wasn't going to be Charlotte he didn't even work out for them. We good though I don't think Charlotte will or should pay DJ what he is worth either. Hell they drafted his replacement.

[ballwhore]

Being Michael Jordan has not influenced one person to sign to any of his teams yet but several players wear his shoes and don't even get paid to do so cause they like the brand. So I say it's the shoes not the dude at this point that captivates the players.

[SWedd523]

Dude really? I said he is cheap and so has everyone else unless he is gambling but I guess you see the splurge in him. By the way it's not always about money to some people. Your owner just happens to be consider the g.oa.t. and owns the most popular shoe line and asked the rookie he drafted to sign. There was various angles that came with that signing if you have a bit more than an 5th grade education i'm sure you could think of a couple of angles yourself that would make sense for someone that already has money to take 80k less smarty pants.
Still doesn't change the fact that it's more than disrespectful and a bit of a bitch move to whine about your paycheck after signing on the dotted line.

[GoBobs]

I could see a team offering 7 mil for like 3 years. The Bobcats won't have to pay more to keep him though, they have the option to match. They probably would match that because, who are we going to get to come in as a free agent. The most likely way this plays out is DJ plays a year on the qo for the bobcats next year and then leaves when another team offers him 3 years 18 mil.

If he wants a long deal I would give that to him if he would take a discount. Five years 25 mil is probably pretty fair given the season he just had. We are the only team that can offer five years which would be the max I think.

[ballwhore]

@sweed Who is whining about a paycheck? Man I never took you for a dumb ass but What the hell are you talking about? Who is whining? I pointed out reasons why it made sense to accept 40k. Never once did I say it was a problem. Hell I didn't even bring the shoe deal shit in the conversation. I was just letting you know it's not fucking mega bucks like ya'll may think. WTF are you talking about whining?

[dnbman]

This much seems clear: DJ wants to play somewhere else and he's not going to help us a whole lot for the next couple of years. Clearly, we don't need to be paying big money to the guy.

Seems like we don't need to spending a whole lot of time arguing over the guy's attitude or situation. The only real discussion seems to be if we can get anything for him, which seems highly unlikely.

[SWedd523]

@sweed Who is whining about a paycheck? Man I never took you for a dumb ass but What the hell are you talking about? Who is whining? I pointed out reasons why it made sense to accept 40k. Never once did I say it was a problem. Hell I didn't even bring the shoe deal shit in the conversation. I was just letting you know it's not fucking mega bucks like ya'll may think. WTF are you talking about whining?
This horrible excuse for English and total lack of class doesn't even deserve a response.

[Kemba2Hendo]

See ya DJA, won't miss you!

[McBeastie]

$5-6mil per sounds about right for what he could do with some more talent around him, which hopefully we'll be getting through the draft & possibly free agency. But anything more than that then, I agree, let him sign elsewhere.

[dav7z]

Off topic but had dream last night . Just hear this out .
We got A DAVIS , We traded Smack and the 31 to move up and took Barnes . We then signed Marc Gasol , and OJ Mayo , Jameison. The next year we cut TT , Diop , Carroll, and signed Seth Curry
Curry Kemba,
Hendo , Mayo, R Williams
Barnes , Jameison , Maggs
A Davis , MULLY ,Jamison
M Gasol . , Mully

I thinkwe could do some damage with that lineup'

[Chef]

Off topic but had dream last night . Just hear this out .
We got A DAVIS , We traded Smack and the 31 to move up and took Barnes . We then signed Marc Gasol , and OJ Mayo , Jameison. The next year we cut TT , Diop , Carroll, and signed Seth Curry
Curry Kemba,
Hendo , Mayo, R Williams
Barnes , Jameison , Maggs
A Davis , MULLY ,Jamison
M Gasol . , Mully

I thinkwe could do some damage with that lineup'

gasol is under contract for 5 years and you misspelled steph curry. it is the details of the dreams that matter most.

[dav7z]

gasol is under contract for 5 years and you misspelled steph curry. it is the details of the dreams that matter most.

Hell what you expect from any one as old as dirt lol

[Toocool]

Hell what you expect from any one as old as dirt lol

Well played good sir.
I gotta say that lineup would be seriously exciting, but I doubt it'll happen.
Gasol is a huge key to Grizzlies core, his passing is really good for a big man (since Gay has trouble at times creating his own shots, thanks max contract).
So I really dont see Grizzlies giving up Gasol.