Official Draft Combine and Workout Thread

[Black]

Merge if you'd like, but I thought many would want the details on the combine.

It is held in Chicago, June 7-8.

List of participants: http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/05/23/players-invited-to-nba-draft-combine-named/

Honestly, I hope Jordan has zero input in this draft. Let Cho do his job, and trust that his judgment is in the best interest of the team and the business of the Bobcats.

[MadBOBCATfanUK]

I wouldn't really care if Jordan had any input, Kwame Brown was always going to be the no1 and Ammo was one of those unathletic guys that don't pan out.

[SJackson1]

as long as we pick the right guy at No 2

[akaseinfeld]

Saw on twitter where Chad Ford teased his insider article where he said that he spoke to a couple NBA agents, and they are scared to death of Charlotte and Sacramento.

Chad Ford ‏@chadfordinsider
Tons of info in draft blog: Will MKG and Beal shun Charlotte in workouts? Could Harkless & Royce White be in lottery? http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/blog/_/name/nba_draft/id/7995832/2012-nba-draft-scenarios-top-10-picks (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/blog/_/name/nba_draft/id/7995832/2012-nba-draft-scenarios-top-10-picks)

"NBA agents are becoming less concerned with how high their clients get drafted and much more concerned about fit and franchise stability. Two teams in particular may have a tough time getting in top talent prior to the draft. GMs see Cleveland, Washington, Portland and Golden State as preferable destinations at the top of the draft. They are scared to death of both Charlotte and Sacramento right now.


I wouldn't be surprised if the Bobcats and Kings struggle to get every player they want to workout into their gym."

[Plowright]

Nahhh that wont be a problem I dont think, we give them more money at 2 and we can draft them anyway so doesnt matter

[Jerp]

MJ will just scare them into working out for us

[Mustachio]

not an issue. I don't want MGK or Beal anywhere near this franchise.

[Black]

This is why it's really important to hire a coach as soon as possible.

[cltblkhscoach]

I don't care if they don't workout here, if their heart isn't into being a Bobcat then screw them. I'm cooling on MKG anyways and Beal complicates things more than helps them.

[DUnit24]

What happened to the days of a player wanting to go to a bad team to turn them around???

I would think Charlotte would be an ideal spot for a young kid coming out. He would get plenty of PT and when we become a playoff team again, they would look like the anti-LeBron.

[SJackson1]

Charlotte is a good team to join next season becasue of the new coach and MJ. whoever we get has the chance to be the main man in our roster

[dav7z]

Hope the Hornets feel the same way and a path to AD is opened up. Got a feeling in my gut we make a trade on draft night and we get our prize and they swing for the fences and take DRUMMOND.

[superb1]

here is the whole article for those without insider. it is lengthy and nothing too shocking

NEW YORK -- With the NBA draft order finally set and a definitive home in New Orleans for Anthony Davis, the Charlotte Bobcats are on the clock at pick No. 2.

Over the past few weeks I've been speaking with scouts, executives, agents and even a few NBA owners, trying to get a feel for what happens after Davis shakes David Stern's hand.

We have our Mock Draft 5.0 based on our best intel at the moment.

But teams are still weeks away from making their final decisions on whom they'll draft. Here are a few other things to consider:

• The Bobcats will likely decide between Kentucky's Michael Kidd-Gilchrist and Kansas' Thomas Robinson at No. 2. Bradley Beal, Andre Drummond and Harrison Barnes are all in the mix there, but it seems as if Kidd-Gilchrist and Robinson are the two top guys on the board.

Another option might be for the Bobcats to go ahead and trade the pick in an effort to get more assets. The No. 2 pick, whichever player it is, isn't going to turn around the franchise next season. What the Bobcats need is depth.


Two teams to look at are Cleveland and Portland. Both would love to move up to the No. 2 pick. The Cavs would love to get their hands on Kidd-Gilchrist or Beal. The Blazers are also high on Beal.

If the Cavs offered the No. 4 and No. 24 picks, would that be enough for the Bobcats to pull the trigger? If Robinson is their target, yes. If Kidd-Gilchrist is? He's probably not on the board at No. 4.

The Blazers have the sixth and 11th picks. That's a steep price to pay to move up four spots in the draft, but if they're convinced that they don't love a player at No. 6, it might be worth it to them.

• The Wizards like where they are in the draft. They've been debating between Kidd-Gilchrist and Beal for months. If one of them is off the board, they'll be happy with the other.

• The Cavaliers were really hoping to get either Kidd-Gilchrist or Beal from this draft. Given our current mock, both players are off the board. We currently have the Cavs grabbing Barnes at No. 4. The Cavs had actually been hoping that Barnes would be in the draft last year and sources say they would have grabbed him at No. 4. Do they still love him after a disappointing sophomore season? Are they willing to roll the dice on Drummond instead? I hear Jeremy Lamb isn't out of the question here either.

• If the Kings can land Thomas Robinson at No. 5, I bet they keep their pick. He'd be a nice addition to their team and fits a need. Barnes and Drummond might also be fits. But the Kings are another team that I could see shopping their pick. They are loaded with young players who can score, but what they really need is veteran help.

It's tough to predict what the Blazers are going to do when they don't have a GM or a coach. Team president Larry Miller has been promising that they are nearing the end of the search, so we might have a better feel soon.
The Blazers have two untouchable players right now in LaMarcus Aldridge and Nicolas Batum. They could use help everywhere else. It will be very interesting to see if they roll the dice on Drummond if he slides this far. The upside, at No. 6, may be too much to pass up.

But I also wouldn't be shocked to see the Blazers trade one or both picks if they can land a young point guard in return. This draft is weak on point guards and although many teams, including the Blazers, like Damian Lillard, the sixth pick may be a little high for him.

The Clippers' Eric Bledsoe, the Pacers' Darren Collison and the Rockets' Kyle Lowry are possibilities.

• The Warriors have a history of taking long, athletic players who are more about upside than production. I don't see that happening this year -- not under the new ownership and new front office.

If the top six players on our Big Board are off the board on draft day, I see the Warriors focusing on more established players. I put Ohio State's Jared Sullinger at No. 7 in the mock, and he could be the choice. The Warriors like him. But the more I sift through the information I'm receiving, the more I think we might see Kentucky's Terrence Jones here. Not every team is convinced he's a 3, but if the Warriors think he can play that position, I could see them pulling the trigger. There's lots of upside there if you can overlook the poor body language and inconsistency. We have Jones sliding to No. 16 in our latest mock. That's probably his floor. I think No. 7 may be his ceiling.

One other name to discuss in Golden State is Iowa State's Royce White. The Warriors love him. However, he canceled his workout with the team because of an injury. The suspicion is that he's still dealing with some anxiety issues over travel. If he can overcome that and prove to NBA teams that he can get on a plane and go anywhere on a moment's notice, my guess is he skyrockets up the draft board and could be in play as high as No. 7.

• The Raptors expect to have big man Jonas Valanciunas with the team this season. If he were in this draft, I think he would've been the No. 2 overall pick. At No. 8, look for them to add a player to their backcourt who can go out and get his own shot. They've been looking hard at Syracuse's Dion Waiters, Washington's Terrence Ross, Lamb and Lillard. The sleeper pick for them might be St. John's freshman Moe Harkless. Sources say he is in the mix at No. 8.

• I don't know what the Pistons are going to do at No. 9. If the draft goes to form, there isn't a perfect fit for what they need. We've had UNC's John Henson there the past few weeks because he's long and blocks shots, but no one's a perfect fit.

• We'll wrap up at the No. 10 spot, where all signals point toward the Hornets grabbing either Lillard, UNC's Kendall Marshall or perhaps Waiters to throw lobs Anthony Davis' way all day. Of the three, I'm hearing Lillard may be in the lead right now.

• NBA agents are becoming less concerned with how high their clients are drafted and much more concerned about fit and franchise stability. Two teams in particular may have a tough time bringing in top talent before the draft. GMs see Cleveland, Washington, Portland and Golden State as preferable destinations at the top of the draft. They are scared to death of Charlotte and Sacramento right now.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Bobcats and Kings struggle to get every player they want to work out into their gyms.

[ncstamey]

thanks for posting @superb1

[skratch]

If i was draft prospect i wouldnt care im bout to be guaranteed millions, whats wrong with SAC though? they look very promising

[Black]

If i was draft prospect i wouldnt care im bout to be guaranteed millions, whats wrong with SAC though? they look very promising

Questions surrounding the front office. They want a new arena, threats of relocation etc. It all falls under the heading of "stability".

[SWedd523]

Chad Ford has solidified his position as a dumbass.


They'll workout for Charlotte, I guarantee it.

http://www.jeffsextonwrites.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/GeorgeZimmer.JPG

[SWedd523]

merged, edited, stickied

[Chef]

Chad Ford has solidified his position as a dumbass.


They'll workout for Charlotte, I guarantee it.

http://www.jeffsextonwrites.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/GeorgeZimmer.JPG

not so sure swedd. the agents and players are starting to figure out that your second contract is far more important than your first. your second deal is almost entirely dependent on your growth as a player which, for all players outside of the superduper stars, is very dependent on your fit within the team that drafts you and the stability there.

however, i feel our situation is far less toxic than sac's.

[SJackson1]

hopefully Robinson impresses the Bobcats scouts

[ohara831]

ESPN and Chad Ford specifically have hated MJ and the Bobcats for a few years. They never say anything good about us. Ford knows college ball, but he is a total ass who will say something just because he thinks he's God's gift to the Draft. Total jerk.

[Felton for Prez]

If they want playing time and an opportunity to be show-cased, any self respecting player should want to come and make this his team.

[SJackson1]

If they want playing time and an opportunity to be show-cased, any self respecting player should want to come and make this his team.

agree, i think most young players in the draft will want to play for the Bobcats becasue they have the chance to become a star player for the team.

[dnbman]

agree, i think most young players in the draft will want to play for the Bobcats becasue they have the chance to become a star player for the team.

My guess is that most guys don't really care, so long as they see how they can contribute and be successful. (Rubio being mad about Minnesota's many pgs come to mind.) I don't think people will hate coming here nor are we a destination. Instead, guys will probably appreciate the point they were drafted (or be glad we stopped the skid!) and be happy to be in the NBA.

It's year 3 or so that things get dicey.

[SJackson1]

My guess is that most guys don't really care, so long as they see how they can contribute and be successful. (Rubio being mad about Minnesota's many pgs come to mind.) I don't think people will hate coming here nor are we a destination. Instead, guys will probably appreciate the point they were drafted (or be glad we stopped the skid!) and be happy to be in the NBA.

It's year 3 or so that things get dicey.


every player in the draft will have their preferences but they have got to be open minded becasue they could end up anywhere lol

[dnbman]

every player in the draft will have their preferences but they have got to be open minded becasue they could end up anywhere lol

Yeah, I'm sure there are guys that would rather be in LA than Milwaukee, but I'm guessing most of them are pretty content to be higher picks and go to whatever city drafts them. That's what I mean by saying that Charlotte is probably fine with any of them, as they'll be the #2 pick, presumably, and be able to play right away.

[SJackson1]

Yeah, I'm sure there are guys that would rather be in LA than Milwaukee, but I'm guessing most of them are pretty content to be higher picks and go to whatever city drafts them. That's what I mean by saying that Charlotte is probably fine with any of them, as they'll be the #2 pick, presumably, and be able to play right away.

yes, whoever we draft will get quality minutes next season and thats a good insentive for the players.

[CharlotteHornets]

Just wondering.

[Black]

Yes. I will update times when I can.

[iowabobcat]

They will also be showing the Combine on ESPN3

[CharlotteHornets]

Thanks...appreciate it

[Black]

NBATV:

Friday 12-4 PM eastern
Sunday 12-4 PM eastern

EDIT: Those times are according to TVGuide.com, but NBA TV's listings are different, so yes they're definitely on, but check your listings. I will update it if I find a definitive answer.

[millst2]

I dont mind taking the number 2 overall.. i grabbed a list of the number 2s which did something,, left out emeka and darko type players..
2nd===
2011 Derrick Williams
2010 Evan Turner
2009 Hasheem Thabeet
2008 Michael Beasley
2007 Kevin Durant
2006 LaMarcus Aldridge
2001 Tyson Chandler
1999 Steve Francis
1998 Mike Bibby
1997 Keith Van Horn
1996 Marcus Camby
1995 Antonio McDyess
1994 Jason Kidd
1993 Shawn Bradley
1992 Alonzo Mourning
1990 Gary Payton

But I also would not be pissed if we took the 6th and 11th trade or 4th and 24th. I didnt have time to edit the list so it may drop down a tad. But there is a good chance to land a solid player with any of those trade scenarios.

4th =
th-----
2011 Tristan Thompson
2010 Wesley Johnson
2009 Tyreke Evans
2008 Russell Westbrook
2007 Mike Conley
2006 Tyrus Thomas
2005 Chris Paul
2004 Shaun Livingston
2003 Chris Bosh
2002 Drew Gooden
1999 Lamar Odom
1998 Antawn Jamison
1996 Stephon Marbury
1995 Rasheed Wallace
1993 Jamal Mashburn
1991 Dikembe Mutombo
1989 Glen Rice
================
6th =
2009 Jonny Flynn
2008 Danilo Gallinari
2007 Yi Jianlian
2006 Brandon Roy
2004 Josh Childress
2003 Chris Kaman
2001 Shane Battier
1999 Wally Szczerbiak
====================

11th=
2011 Klay Thompson
2010 Cole Aldrich
2008 Jerryd Bayless
2007 Acie Law
2006 JJ Redick
2004 Andris Biedrins
2003 Mickaël Pietrus
1998 Bonzi Wells

and 24th=
2009 BJ Mullens
2008 Serge Ibaka
2007 Rudy Fernandez
2006 Kyle Lowry
2004 Delonte West
1999 Andrei Kirilenko
1996 Derek Fisher
1993 Sam Cassell
1992 Latrell Sprewell
1991 Rick Fox
=================

Again i am not saying do not go after the 2nd pick but i also think that if cho does his homework and if we can grab 2 picks via trade and then possibly grab another first rounder via trade / cash considerations we have a damn good shot at grabbing a star and 1-2 strong role players. Not per say a superstar but who knows. 3 picks vs 1. I would hate for us to grab another Chokafor and be in limbo.

[Plowright]

Dude, 6 and 11 guys all suck! Kaman is the only All star there... Saying that in this dradt 6 and 11 will be stronger than most

[Plowright]

I can get NBA tv for today, but it doesnt say the combine is on the schedule today. I will spend the £ if it is for sure, but dont want to risk it if its not! Someone please tell me!

[Chef]

ESPNU will air Draft Combine live

Postby smith2373 on Wed Jun 06, 2012 2:30 pm
ESPNU to Televise 2012 NBA Draft Combine June 7-8

Over June 7 and 8 ESPNU will present eight hours from the 2012 NBA Draft Combine at the Flames Athletic Center in Chicago. Coverage will begin each day at 10 a.m. ET and will be highlighted by interviews with top draft picks, NBA and college coaches and general managers. The Draft Combine will also be available on ESPN3.

In addition to live reporting and analysis, viewers will get an inside look at how the expected top draft picks fair in the following skills challenges:
Standing Vertical Leap
Maximum Vertical Leap
Lane Agility Drill
Modified Lane Agility Drill
3/4 Court Sprint

Ryen Russillo will host the two-day event with analysis from the network’s college and NBA experts. Analysts Fran Frascilla and Jay Williams will contribute their in-depth knowledge of each draftees college skill set, while Andy Katz reports from the court.

In addition, NBA analysts Chad Ford and Tom Penn will provide expert knowledge and understanding of the needs of each NBA team.

http://espnmediazone.com/us/press-relea ... -june-7-8/

[Plowright]

Is anybody going to be watching it? If so any chance they can go in the bobcats planet chat room while watching it and give some info?

[SJackson1]

should be intersting to lesrn more about what each player has to offer.

[Plowright]

http://atdhenet.tv/index.html

they have a link on here!!! There goes my revision... so many draft nuts on there I think I am in love

[Mustachio]

Is anybody going to be watching it? If so any chance they can go in the bobcats planet chat room while watching it and give some info?


I'm watching it right now, shooting guards are working out now. It's pretty confusing, they need a better format like the NFL combine so that its watchable. right now its just Fran and Bilas yammering while they do close ups of shooting guards while they shoot. pretty useless.

[SJackson1]

shooting guard and Small Fowards have been on the court so far

[akaseinfeld]

Jeff Goodman ‏@GoodmanCBS
Thomas Robinson just told me he measured 6-8 3/4 with shoes. 7-3 wingspan and 5 percent body fat. Official measurements released tomorrow.

[akaseinfeld]

Jeff Goodman ‏@GoodmanCBS
Bradley Beal measured 6-4 1/4 and 6-8 wingspan.

[spectre]

Jeff Goodman ‏@GoodmanCBS
Bradley Beal measured 6-4 1/4 and 6-8 wingspan.

With shoes?

I'm good with 6'8 3/4" for Robinson.

[Nata Fresh]

I'm sorry......T-Rob is too small.....you're asking a LOT to run out a front line that small......

[ncstamey]

yea... I like Robinson but with Bismack being as undersized as he is for a center we really can't afford to have an undersized PF as well.

[CharlotteHornets]

6'8 3/4 with shoes worries me a little bit but the wingspan is nice...this makes it confusing :confused: I like Beal's height and wingspan though....makes him more intriguing...

[spectre]

6'8 3/4 with shoes worries me a little bit but the wingspan is nice...this makes it confusing :confused: I like Beal's height and wingspan though....makes him more intriguing...

I'm kind of the opposite. The 6'4" gives me more hesitation in considering Beal.

[dnbman]

I'm kind of the opposite. The 6'4" gives me more hesitation in considering Beal.

Shooting over folks?

[Plowright]

I do not want Beal. I saw an interview today with him at the combine while watching it and he said I dont know why I am so high in the lottery boards. That just shows he doesnt even think he should be up that high. I really really dont want Beal, I am moving onto MKG now more than Robinson right now as well...

[SJackson1]

6.8 3/4 is pretty solid for me

[spectre]

Shooting over folks?

That and guys shooting over him.

[SJackson1]

That and guys shooting over him.

a wingspan of 7.3 is pretty god though and he's very athletic

[spectre]

a wingspan of 7.3 is pretty god though and he's very athletic

Was talking about Beal.

[SJackson1]

Was talking about Beal.

lol sorry about that mate. Yes Beal is very undersized to be honest

[SWedd523]

Not really undersized at all, but I can see where you guys are coming from.



(not really)

[Nata Fresh]

Not really undersized at all, but I can see where you guys are coming from.



(not really)

You talking about Beal or Robinson.....b/c Beal I agree with you about....I'm just not certain we shouldn't trade down and get rivers who measured out 6'5 in shoes apparently

[Plowright]

Who said Robinson is super athletic!? Thats not true! He has a great NBA body but pretty average to good athleticsm

[spectre]

Not really undersized at all, but I can see where you guys are coming from.



(not really)

Here I am falling into that "fit" thing. You're right...he's not that undersized.

Honestly I'm starting to get a little concerned about all these undersized guys we've been picking up (and none of the rooks get me out of it). I'm a defense type of guy and I'm of the strong belief that everyone should be able to defend their position (mostly). You have one weak link others have to compensate and unless you're damn good at team D it's going to break down. Bigs I'm not quite as concerned about because muscle and a strong foundation will make up for a lot. With guards however an opponent can do things (post up, shoot over) that hard to overcome.

It's why I wasn't all in for Kemba last year. I like the guy and I'm glad we got him. His height is going to continue to bother me though.

[SJackson1]

i was very concerned when we played Walker and Augustin together last season, that was just poor selection !.

[Veteran_Picksetter]

Jeff Goodman ‏@GoodmanCBS
Thomas Robinson just told me he measured 6-8 3/4 with shoes. 7-3 wingspan and 5 percent body fat. Official measurements released tomorrow.

Thank you so much, but any word on his standing reach, the most crucial measurement for him?

Also, I wonder what his height in socks was. Sometimes guys wear elevator shoes JUST for the combine(See Kevin Love).

Height in socks + 1.25" = TRUE NBA height.

[krazyrumpshaker]

Can someone explain the height issue. When i read that Beal is 6'4", people say that is small for a SG, but then Robinson being 6'8' 3/4 is fine for a PF. Thats only a 5 inch or so difference. I dont get it.

[SJackson1]

Can someone explain the height issue. When i read that Beal is 6'4", people say that is small for a SG, but then Robinson being 6'8' 3/4 is fine for a PF. Thats only a 5 inch or so difference. I dont get it.

it depends on his reach and wingspan but 6ft 4 is small for a SG

[dnbman]

Can someone explain the height issue. When i read that Beal is 6'4", people say that is small for a SG, but then Robinson being 6'8' 3/4 is fine for a PF. Thats only a 5 inch or so difference. I dont get it.

I'm sure you'll get a better response from others, but here's my attempt.

As Swedd's chart shows, the bulk of PFs are within 6'8-6'10 range, making Robinson on the slightly lower than middle. Also, down under, athleticism and strength can compensate a bit for a small lack of height.

However, shooting guards rely heavily on lift and extension to finish shots rather than bulk and footwork. A couple of inches of height can make guys easy to post and shoot over plus make it harder to get shots off.

[SJackson1]

I'm sure you'll get a better response from others, but here's my attempt.

As Swedd's chart shows, the bulk of PFs are within 6'8-6'10 range, making Robinson on the slightly lower than middle. Also, down under, athleticism and strength can compensate a bit for a small lack of height.

However, shooting guards rely heavily on lift and extension to finish shots rather than bulk and footwork. A couple of inches of height can make guys easy to post and shoot over plus make it harder to get shots off.


agree mate, most SG are at least 6ft 6

[Jerp]

(Official) Measurements from the Draft
T-Rob
w/o Shoes: 6' 7.75" w/ shoes 6' 8.75 Weight: 244 Wingspan: 7' 3.25" Standing Reach 8' 10"
Beal
w/o shoes: 6' 3.25" w/ shoes 6' 4.75 Weight 201 Wingspan 6'8" Standing Reach 8' 3"
MKG
w/o shoes: 6' 5.75" w/ shoes 6' 7.5" Weight: 232 Wingspan 7' 0" Standing 8' 8.5"
Andre Drummond
w/o shoes: 6' 9.75 w/ shoes 6' 11.75" Weight 278 Wingspan 7' 6.25" Standing 9' 1.5"

[Veteran_Picksetter]

I'm sure you'll get a better response from others, but here's my attempt.

As Swedd's chart shows, the bulk of PFs are within 6'8-6'10 range, making Robinson on the slightly lower than middle. Also, down under, athleticism and strength can compensate a bit for a small lack of height.

However, shooting guards rely heavily on lift and extension to finish shots rather than bulk and footwork. A couple of inches of height can make guys easy to post and shoot over plus make it harder to get shots off.

I think bulk helps a shorter shooting guard finish in the lane and defend larger guys posting them up. Eric Gordon and Brad Beal both appear to have bulk.

Also, if Beal has crafty moves for getting off shots from various distances, then his height shouldn't matter so much.

We don't really know squat until we know the standing reaches of these players. It's great that Beal has a 6'8" wingspan. He doesn't appear to have a large head, so I'm hopeful he'll measure out with at least an 8'5" standing reach. That would be perfectly acceptable for a shooting guard.

It's nice that T-Rob has a 7'3" wingspan, but if his standing reach is only 8'9" after correcting for normal size shoe soles(1.25"), then I'm backing off of him.

Edit: oops, right as I'm writing this somebody posts the fresh standing reaches. Let's check this out.....

[Veteran_Picksetter]

(Official) Measurements from the Draft
T-Rob
w/o Shoes: 6' 7.75" w/ shoes 6' 8.75 Weight: 244 Wingspan: 7' 3.25" Standing Reach 8' 10"
Beal
w/o shoes: 6' 3.25" w/ shoes 6' 4.75 Weight 201 Wingspan 6'8" Standing Reach 8' 3"
MKG
w/o shoes: 6' 5.75" w/ shoes 6' 7.5" Weight: 232 Wingspan 7' 0" Standing 8' 8.5"
Andre Drummond
w/o shoes: 6' 9.75 w/ shoes 6' 11.75" Weight 278 Wingspan 7' 6.25" Standing 9' 1.5"

Finally!! Thank you!! It's like Christmas!!

T-Rob: I commend him for not wearing elevator shoes. If he wore normal soles he'd basically be 6'9" with an 8'10.25" standing reach. Hmmm. I dunno. Would like a LITTLE more reach.......

Beal: 8'3" standing reach would make me back off of him a bit. That's point guard territory.

MKG: Nice elevator shoes, buddy. But good numbers for a SF, even when you correct for that.

[Mustachio]

Here are pictures of the full actual list from the Combine courtesy of Chad Ford

https://twitter.com/chadfordinsider/status/211090854654386176/photo/1/large

https://twitter.com/chadfordinsider/status/211090879375613953/photo/1/large


Am I the only one here that thinks the most important measurement is hand size? Most of the greats (except Charles Barkley) have huge hands, and that goes for any sport really. And Thomas Robinson has some of the biggest hands in this draft.

9.75 length and 10.5 Width. Those are catchers mitts that will come in handy for a big. Anthony Davis for comparison has 9.0 length and 8.5 width. (total bust haha)

also for the record.... Moe Harkless has bigger hands than MKG, another of the many reasons why he is a better prospect.

[Veteran_Picksetter]

Here are pictures of the full actual list from the Combine courtesy of Chad Ford

https://twitter.com/chadfordinsider/status/211090854654386176/photo/1/large

https://twitter.com/chadfordinsider/status/211090879375613953/photo/1/large


Am I the only one here that thinks the most important measurement is hand size? Most of the greats (except Charles Barkley) have huge hands, and that goes for any sport really. And Thomas Robinson has some of the biggest hands in this draft.

9.75 length and 10.5 Width. Those are catchers mitts that will come in handy for a big. Anthony Davis for comparison has 9.0 length and 8.5 width. (total bust haha)

also for the record.... Moe Harkless has bigger hands than MKG, another of the many reasons why he is a better prospect.

THANK YOU. I will fully support every post of yours for the next 5 years. Mustachio and Vet are gonna be buddies!!! (Well, I'll try)

[Veteran_Picksetter]

Mustachio posted these links for the measurements:

https://twitter.com/chadfordinsider/status/211090854654386176/photo/1/large

https://twitter.com/chadfordinsider/status/211090879375613953/photo/1/large

Tyler Zeller 8'8" standing reach??? That's a Small Forward number!

Harrison Barnes 8'6" standing reach?? On the lower end for a wing player. And size was supposed to be his strong point.

Even Anthony Davis only had a 9'0" standing reach, which is still great for a PF, but I thought he would be more like 9'4".

Kendall Marshall 7'10.5" standing reach??

Brad Beal 8'3" standing reach in 1.5" thick soles. Gives me some pause about him. That's PG length.

Terrence Jones 8'9.5" standing reach. Doesn't help against the argument he's a possible tweener.

Austin Rivers great wingspan, but 8'1" standing reach won't help him defend any SG's. He better become more of a distributor fast...

[SJackson1]

TRob is 244 and very athletic which will help him in the post

[dnbman]

I think bulk helps a shorter shooting guard finish in the lane and defend larger guys posting them up. Eric Gordon and Brad Beal both appear to have bulk.

Also, if Beal has crafty moves for getting off shots from various distances, then his height shouldn't matter so much.

I agree with all of that and the person who posted about height being somewhat overrated. However, we've seen for the last few years what happens when those bullish players get clogged up in the middle. We need good spacing for those guys to be effective.

[Jerp]

so Dion Waiters was given a promise..... but not from Toronto

[Plowright]

Pheonix I have heard is the other team that may have promised him, supports what Colangelo says about the promise being outside the top 10. Also I jsut watched Harrison Barnes destroy the running athleticism jump. Smashed it!

[Veteran_Picksetter]

I agree with all of that and the person who posted about height being somewhat overrated. However, we've seen for the last few years what happens when those bullish players get clogged up in the middle. We need good spacing for those guys to be effective.

Well now that I see Beal has an 8'2.75" standing reach after correcting for normal shoe soles, I'm cooling off a bit on supporting him. Still, he had great rebounding numbers, which should help his cause in battling the size argument.

[MadBOBCATfanUK]

I never expected much for Zeller, after hearing rumours about his brother having a 6"11 wingspan, the one thing I found weird was the fact that Davis had a smaller standing reach than Drummond. Also how the hell does Rivers have an 8"1 standing reach guy measured out 6"5.5 with shoes and has a decent wingspan.

[Black]

NBATV:

Friday 12-4 PM eastern
Sunday 12-4 PM eastern

EDIT: Those times are according to TVGuide.com, but NBA TV's listings are different, so yes they're definitely on, but check your listings. I will update it if I find a definitive answer.

It's on ESPNU right now.

[Veteran_Picksetter]

I never expected much for Zeller, after hearing rumours about his brother having a 6"11 wingspan, the one thing I found weird was the fact that Davis had a smaller standing reach than Drummond. Also how the hell does Rivers have an 8"1 standing reach guy measured out 6"5.5 with shoes and has a decent wingspan.

Yeah, Rivers's numbers are weird. A lot of his height must be in his head and neck.

Zeller is not going to be able to guard super long guys like Andrew Bynum. Tyler might have to be strictly a 4-man.

Did you notice that Drummond had some serious elevator soles?? We should knock his reach down to 9'0.75", which is still a little higher than Davis.

It is becoming apparent that Davis blocks so many shots by moving so well. And he probably has good, quick leaping ability. Of course his wingspan is still huge, which helps with diagonal reaches on shot blocks.......

[Veteran_Picksetter]

Also would have liked to have seen a little more standing reach out of Royce White.

And Damian Lillard is firmly planted in PG territory at 8'0". So much for my thoughts of running him or Kendall Marshall next to Kemba Walker.........

[ziggy]

Were Andre drummond and MKG wearing stilletos?

[Mustachio]

On the other hand how about Myers Leonard. Measured better than I thought, and only has 5% body fat. I'm not sure where he is projected, but I would be interested. 7'1, big hands, very decent mid range shot, excellent post passer. And dunks with authority. Not in any way what I was imagining beside Bismack... but looking better.

[CharlotteHornets]

I am starting to like Perry Jones III

[Veteran_Picksetter]

Were Andre drummond and MKG wearing stilletos?

LOL. And the funny thing is, neither one of them really needed to. MKG has solid height/length for a SF even if you take half an inch off his standing reach. And Drummond would be a respectable 6'11" with 9'0.75" standing reach in normal shoes. Combine that with 275 lbs and massive wingspan....He looks fine on paper for the Center position. On the court might be another story......

[Veteran_Picksetter]

If Sullinger would get his butt down to 250 lbs., the second pick would be his. Solid length and tremendous offensive skill, but the boy is just too ground-bound with all of that weight......

[Veteran_Picksetter]

And I'm starting to think that Andre Drummond has a "low motor" because he weighs so much, even though he doesn't LOOK overweight to me.....

[Jerp]

If Sullinger would get his butt down to 250 lbs., the second pick would be his. Solid length and tremendous offensive skill, but the boy is just too ground-bound with all of that weight......

Too true, its gonna be a hectic couple weeks leading up to the draft in terms of what the bobcats are gonna do.

[Mustachio]

And I'm starting to think that Andre Drummond has a "low motor" because he weighs so much, even though he doesn't LOOK overweight to me.....


He's lost 22 pounds since the season ended.

[Ghost Kat]

I wish I knew more about scouting and what not. In my opinion all these players suck. This is a bad year to have a high pick.

[Mustachio]

Here is a more organized and neat list, compared to folded up pieces of paper twitpics, on all the 2012 draftee Combine measurables.

http://www.hoopsworld.com/2012-nba-draft-combine-measurements-released?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=2012-nba-draft-combine-measurements-released&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

[SWedd523]

Jeremy Lamb didn't disappoint in the measurements category :)

[JamieMcNeill]

Nor Quincy Miller 😊

[Veteran_Picksetter]

Jeremy Lamb didn't disappoint in the measurements category :)

No he didn't.

I wonder if he, Henson, and Sullinger will rise any with these measurements.

It could be nice to trade down for Sullinger and J-Lamb. I'm wondering if Sullinger could get away with playing some Center now.

For what it is worth, Sullinger blocked shots at a slightly higher rate than T-Rob last year, and Sullinger isn't nearly as athletic.

[Veteran_Picksetter]

I wish I knew more about scouting and what not. In my opinion all these players suck. This is a bad year to have a high pick.

I think the draft is a little overrated. The top 4 prospects after Davis all have major question marks.

T-Rob: guaranteed to rebound, but poor post moves and shot-blocking. Outside shooting is a maybe.
Beal: Not a great reach for a SG. Good shooting form but his 3pt % is nothing spectacular.
MKG: Energy guy, hard worker, but lacking refined offensive skills and not racking up big shot block and steals numbers with all of that defensive ability.
Andre Drummond: Where do I begin?? Low motor and underachieving productivity....

In fact, you might be able to call this a great role player draft and little else.

[DashGlobal]

I think the draft is a little overrated. The top 4 prospects after Davis all have major question marks.

T-Rob: guaranteed to rebound, but poor post moves and shot-blocking. Outside shooting is a maybe.
Beal: Not a great reach for a SG. Good shooting form but his 3pt % is nothing spectacular.
MKG: Energy guy, hard worker, but lacking refined offensive skills and not racking up big shot block and steals numbers with all of that defensive ability.
Andre Drummond: Where do I begin?? Low motor and underachieving productivity....

In fact, you might be able to call this a great role player draft and little else.

This draft is weak on obvious franchise types but it is DEEP with good players all through the 1st round that can come in an contribute.

[Veteran_Picksetter]

This draft is weak on obvious franchise types but it is DEEP with good players all through the 1st round that can come in an contribute.

Exactly. The draft of "solid pieces".......

[MadBOBCATfanUK]

Did you notice that Drummond had some serious elevator soles?? We should knock his reach down to 9'0.75", which is still a little higher than Davis.


Drummond went up 2 inches in height from six"9.75 to six"11.75

Judging by how a guy like T-Rob only went up about an inch wearing shoes I think this is kind of worrying, but the prospect of his vertical elevation and 7"6 wingspan next to Bismack is my kind of heaven

+Kyle O'Quinn's standing reach and wingspan were ridiculous I would definitely love to see him picked in the 2nd round by the Cats

[dnbman]

1. We still have a couple of weeks before a selection and/or trade is going to be made. Nothing is being decided right now. TONS of trades get discussed this soon, mostly because we're desperate to get information and writers can use this to get crazy page clicks.

2. The Bobcats should only be trying to do a couple of things right now: evaluate talent as much as possible and drive up the value of our picks. That value can go up in a lot of different ways, especially if it's included in connection to young stars.

3. This is the beginning of the former evaluation. We still have individual workouts to go. A lot of what's happening now is the organization feeling out guys to determine who is worth evaluating further. Conclusions will not be drawn on who to pick this weekend. And even the workouts are only evaluation. We can say all kinds of things about players to create interest in guys for misdirection.

Basically, this is a chess match leading to draft day. Speculating is great, but believing that these sound bites or activity/inactivity are expressing the Bobcats' intentions is faulty.

So,
Be patient.
Have fun.
Post links.

[dnbman]

Also: it's very strange to hear NBA prospects talk about their "motor."

[Chef]

Also: it's very strange to hear NBA prospects talk about their "motor."

jay bilas has infected the draft vernacular. pretty soon they will be talking about their "upside".

[Mustachio]

this part of the process is basically just data collection. I'm not concerning myself with stock rising and falling until the 28th. Bigs will go up the board and players like MKG will fall I think. Lot of guys still riding hype from media, that will go away when GM's start getting down to the nitty gritty.

[Chef]

i was surprised to see that sullinger is basically thomas robinson after completing the boris diaw bojangles challenge.

[GoBobs]

Length and height are not everything. If we really want a guy to block shots I think we should offer the pick to OKC for Ibaka in a sign and trade.

[SJackson1]

TRob averaged a block a game last year which isn't bad when weve got Biyombo who i think will average 2.3 next season

[BRNC]

On the other hand how about Myers Leonard. Measured better than I thought, and only has 5% body fat. I'm not sure where he is projected, but I would be interested. 7'1, big hands, very decent mid range shot, excellent post passer. And dunks with authority. Not in any way what I was imagining beside Bismack... but looking better.

If we end up trading down Leonard is a kid I hope we give serious consideration...and I could see him playing with Bismack...

[DashGlobal]

If we end up trading down Leonard is a kid I hope we give serious consideration...and I could see him playing with Bismack...

Just posted my final mock.

have us taking Leonard with the 11th pick

[Plowright]

Leonard has risen to 9-14 range after the combine apparantly. He is athletic for his size and can really shoot the ball, but Illinois's system was a weird one I have heard. Only question was immaturity and I am sure the interviews will look into that

[BrotherDave]

Leonard is pretty much the yin to Mullen's yang game wise. Bangs in the paint, boards, passes and moves the ball well. He's the 2nd best Center in the draft, easily.

[superb1]

don't know if the full list was posted here yet

Measuring U*p
Name Ht. w/o shoes Ht. w/ shoes Wt. Wingspan Reach Body fat (%) Hand length Hand width
Quincy Acy 6'6.5" 6'7.75" 223.8 7'2.75" 8'10.5" 7.1 9.5" 11"
Harrison Barnes 6'7" 6'8" 227.8 6'11.25" 8'6" 9.6 9" 8.5"
Will Barton 6'5" 6'6" 174.4 6'9.75" 8'7" 4.1 9" 9.5"
Bradley Beal 6'3.25" 6'4.75" 201.8 6'8" 8'3" 6 8.5" 9"
J'Covan Brown 6'1" 6'2.25" 202.4 6'5.25" 7'11.5" 12.5 7.75" 8.25"
William Buford 6'4" 6'5" 214.6 6'9.5" 8'6" 11.3 8.75" 10"
Jae Crowder 6'4.75" 6'6.5" 241.2 6'9.25" 8'3" 9 9.5" 10.5"
Jared Cunningham 6'3.5" 6'5" 187.6 6'6.5" 8'2" 3.6 8.25" 9.75"
Anthony Davis 6'9.25" 6'10.5" 221.8 7'5.5" 9'0" 7.9 9" 8.5"
Marcus Denmon 6'2.25" 6'3.25" 188.2 6'5" 7'10" 6.6 8.25" 9.75"
Andre Drummond 6'9.75" 6'11.75" 278.6 7'6.25" 9'1.5" 7.5 9.5" 9.5"
Kim English 6'4.5" 6'5.75" 192 6'6.5" 8'3" 4.3 8.5" 8.75"
Festus Ezeli 6'9.75" 6'11.5" 264.2 7'5.75" 8'10" 5.5 9" 10.75"
Drew Gordon 6'8" 6'8.75" 239 6'11.5" 8'8.5" 9.1 8.5" 9.75"
Draymond Green 6'5.75" 6'7.5" 235.6 7'1.25" 8'10" 11.3 9" 9.5"
JaMychal Green 6'8" 6'9" 217.4 7'2.25" 8'9.5" 9.8 9.25" 9.25"
Moe Harkless 6'7.25" 6'8.75" 206.6 7'0" 8.75" 5.3 9.25" 10.25"
John Henson 6'9" 6'10" 216 7'5" 9'3.5" 8.6 9.25" 10"
Tu Holloway 5'10.5" 5'11.75" 186.8 6'5.5" 7'10.5" 8.5 8.75" 10"
Robbie Hummel 6'7.25" 6'8.5" 218 6'8.5" 8'5.5" 9.4 8.5" 9.5"
Bernard James 6'8.75" 6'10" 229.8 7'3" 9'0.5" 5 9" 9.25"
John Jenkins 6'3.25" 6'4.25" 212 6'8.5" 8'3.5" 7.1 9" 9"
Orlando Johnson 6'3.75" 6'5.25" 223.8 6'11.25" 8'3" 7 9" 9.5"
Darius Johnson-Odom 6'1.5" 6'3" 212 6'7" 7'10.5" 7 8.75" 8.75"
Kevin Jones 6'6.25" 6'7.5" 251.2 7'1.5" 8'9.5" 11.2 9" 7.75"
Perry Jones 6'10.25" 6'11.25" 233.8 7'1.75" 8'10.5" 4.6 9.25" 9.5"
Terrence Jones 6'8.25" 6'9.5" 252 7'2.25" 8'9.5" 7.7 9" 10"
Kris Joseph 6'6" 6'7" 215 6'11" 8'7.5" 8.6 9" 9"
Michael Kidd-Gilchrist 6'5.75" 6'7.5" 232.8 7'0" 8'8.5" 7 9" 10"
Doron Lamb 6'3.25" 6'4.75" 199.4 6'6.75" 8.3" 6.7 8.5" 8.5"
Jeremy Lamb 6'4" 6'5.25" 179.2 6'11" 8'5" 4.5 8.75" 9.5"
Meyers Leonard 6'11.75" 7'1.25" 249.8 7'3" 9'0.5" 5.7 9.25" 10"
Damian Lillard 6'1.75" 6'2.75" 188.8 6'7.75" 8'0" 5.9 8.75" 9.75"
Scott Machado 6'1" 6'2" 205.8 6'4" 7'9.5" 5.8 8.5" 9.5"
Kendall Marshall 6'3.25" 6'4.25" 198.4 6'5.5" 7'10.5" 7.8 8.5" 9"
Fab Melo 6'10.75" 7'0" 255 7'2.5" 9'1.5" 9.2 9" 10"
Khris Middleton 6'6.75" 6'8.25" 216.2 6'10.75" 8'9" 7.8 9" 9"
Darius Miller 6'6" 6'7.5" 233.4 6'9" 8'6.5" 7.5 8.5" 8.75"
Quincy Miller 6'8.75" 6'10" 218.7 7'1.25" 9'1" 7.8 9.25" 10.25"
Tony Mitchell 6'5.25" 6'6.25" 216.4 6'10" 8'3.5" 5.7 8.75" 10"
Arnett Moultrie 6'9.5" 6'10.75" 232.8 7'2.25" 8'10.5" 7.7 9.25" 9.25"
Kevin Murphy 6'5" 6'6.25" 194 6'6.75" 8'4" 5.8 8.5" 8.5"
Andrew Nicholson 6'8.5" 6'9.5" 234 7'4" 8'10.5" 7.6 10" 10.75"
Kyle O'Quinn 6'8.5" 6'10" 240.8 7'4.75" 9'3.5" 8 9.5" 10"
Miles Plumlee 6'10.5" 6'11.75" 252.4 7'0.75" 8'8.5" 11.4 9.25" 9"
Austin Rivers 6'3.5" 6'5" 202.8 6'7.25" 8'1" 6.2 8.5" 10"
Thomas Robinson 6'7.75" 6'8.75" 244.2 7'3.25" 8'10" 5 9.75" 10.5"
Terrence Ross 6'6" 6'7" 196.6 6'7.25" 8'5" 3.2 8.75" 10.25"
Tomas Satoransky 6'6.5" 6'7.5" 200.6 6'7.25" 8'4" 5.2 8.5" 9.5"
Mike Scott 6'7.25" 6'8.75" 240.8 6'10.75" 8'8.5" 10.6 8.5" 9"
Henry Sims 6'10" 6'11.75" 241.2 7'4" 8'11" 7.7 9.25" 10"
Jared Sullinger 6'7.75" 6'9" 268.2 7'1.25" 8'11" 10.7" 9.25" 9.75"
Jeffery Taylor 6'6" 6'7.25" 212.8 6'6.25" 8'3.5" 4.2 8.25" 9.75"
Jordan Taylor 6'1" 6'2" 192.8 6'3" 7'8" 5.5 8.25" 9.5"
Tyshawn Taylor 6'2.75" 6'4" 177 6'6.25" 8'1.5" 4.2 8.75" 8.75"
Marquis Teague 6'1" 6'2" 179.8 6'7.25" 8'2.5" 6.3 8.25" 7.75"
Hollis Thompson 6'6.75" 6'8" 206 6'9.5" 8.75" 6 8.25" 9.75"
Dion Waiters 6'2.5" 6'4" 221 6'7.25" 8'2" 8.5 8.5" 9.5"
Royce White 6'7" 6'8" 260.6 7'0" 8'8.5" 10.6 9.5" 11.5"
Tony Wroten Jr. 6'4.75" 6'6" 203.2 6'9" 8'5" 5.2 8" 9"
Tyler Zeller 6'11.25" 7'0.5" 247.4 7'0" 8'8" 6.4 9" 9.75"

[Plowright]

Also I jsut watched Harrison Barnes destroy the standing vertical jump. Smashed it!

Sorry I know I am blowing my own trumpet but I am going to go quote myself from when I was watching the combine. Hes measured with a 38" vertical http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-draft-measurements/?page=&year=All&source=All&sort2=DESC&draft=0&pos=0&sort=10

That is the 4th best in Draft Express history. Ahead of Vinsanity, Nate Robinson, Shumpert... the list goes on.

[bes628]

Sorry I know I am blowing my own trumpet but I am going to go quote myself from when I was watching the combine. Hes measured with a 38" vertical http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-draft-measurements/?page=&year=All&source=All&sort2=DESC&draft=0&pos=0&sort=10

That is the 4th best in Draft Express history. Ahead of Vinsanity, Nate Robinson, Shumpert... the list goes on.

That doesn't surprise me in one bit, to me, considering he's a explosive dunker. imo.

[DashGlobal]

Surprised to see Barnes at the top of the vert!

I thought Robinson and Drummond had good verts?!?

[akaseinfeld]

Barnes #'s vs's Kidd-Gilchrist

----------------MKG---------Barnes
Height(w/s) -----6'7.5" -------6'8"
Wingspan -------7'0" -------6'11.25"
Reach ----------8'8.5" --------8'5.5"
NoStepVert------ 32" ----------38"
MaxVert ---------35.5" -------39.5"
MaxVertReach---- 11'8" -------11'9"
Bench -----------6 ------------15
Agility ----------11.77 -------10.93
Sprint----------- 3.18 --------3.16

[bes628]

Barnes #'s vs's Kidd-Gilchrist

MKG.........Barnes
Height(w/s) 6'7.5" 6'8"
Wingspan 7'0" 6'11.25"
Reach 8'8.5" 8'5.5"
NoStepVert 32" 38"
MaxVert 35.5" 39.5"
MaxVertReach 11'8" 11'9"
Bench 6 15
Agility 11.77 10.93
Sprint 3.18 3.16


So Barnes ended up being bigger, faster, stronger. And we all know he can shoot better.

[DashGlobal]

So Barnes ended up being bigger, faster, stronger. And we all know he can shoot better.

But but MKG has that "drive"!! lol

[Veteran_Picksetter]

Barnes #'s vs's Kidd-Gilchrist

----------------MKG---------Barnes
Height(w/s) -----6'7.5" -------6'8"
Wingspan -------7'0" -------6'11.25"
Reach ----------8'8.5" --------8'5.5"
NoStepVert------ 32" ----------38"
MaxVert ---------35.5" -------39.5"
MaxVertReach---- 11'8" -------11'9"
Bench -----------6 ------------15
Agility ----------11.77 -------10.93
Sprint----------- 3.18 --------3.16

MKG beats Barnes in one very important category: Standing Reach, with 2.25" advantage(adjusting for shoe sole difference). Very little of the game is played at the height of a player's vertical jump. It is mostly played flat-footed or at the lower portion of the jump.

Also, these measurements don't tell us how quickly a player gets off the floor in response to a play.

[Chef]

So Barnes ended up being bigger, faster, stronger. And we all know he can shoot better.

barnes will be a stud IF he ends up on the right team. it will be totally team dependent for him. cleveland = really good situation, wash = really good situation, char = terrible situation, sac = ???

if barnes falls to sac and i was their management, i would move tyreke for another player and mid to late lotto and take barnes as my sf.

[Veteran_Picksetter]

barnes will be a stud IF he ends up on the right team. it will be totally team dependent for him. cleveland = really good situation, wash = really good situation, char = terrible situation, sac = ???

if barnes falls to sac and i was their management, i would move tyreke for another player and mid to late lotto and take barnes as my sf.

Wherever he goes, Barnes needs to improve his ballhanding to be a "stud", in my humble opinion....

[Chef]

Wherever he goes, Barnes needs to improve his ballhanding to be a "stud", in my humble opinion....

not when people are trying to chase u off the line or fighting through picks. that is why his pg is so important, they really help to hide weaknesses and focus on strengths.

[Black]

Impressive, but definitely doesn't seem like a great fit for us.

[DashGlobal]

Wherever he goes, Barnes needs to improve his ballhanding to be a "stud", in my humble opinion....

He already has a 1 - 2 step pull up that is unguardable and knocks down 3's.

If he improves his handle he will be much more than just a stud.....

[SWedd523]

Wherever he goes, Barnes needs to improve his ballhanding to be a "stud", in my humble opinion....
He's going to need to want to be great before anything else happens. Stop being a robot and show some emotion, go out and want to be a basketball player, not just create a brand

[Eastwood83]

Tim Duncan never showed emotion and hes one of the greatest ever.

[SWedd523]

He already has a 1 - 2 step pull up that is unguardable and knocks down 3's.

If he improves his handle he will be much more than just a stud.....
Unguardable?

Let's try 44% from the floor, no court vision, and terrible ball handling for a wing.

I can't for the life of me figure out why he's still projected as a top 4-5 pick. Had he not been pimped out of high school and played for any other college besides UNC he would barely be a 1st round pick.

I might could understand if he were a freak athlete 6'11 44 inch vert etc.

Moe Harkless had better numbers than Barnes and is 6'9 and much more athletic and is projected mid 1st to Barnes top 5. Doesnt make any sense.




:D http://www.bobcatsplanet.com/vb/showthread.php?13523-The-Official-Michael-Kidd-Gilchrist-Thread&p=216275#post216275

[JamieMcNeill]

Tim Duncan never showed emotion and hes one of the greatest ever.

Emotion and killer instinct are not the same. I believe swedd was actually talking about his drive to succeed and as trob put it-"kill" other teams. Duncan may not show emotion but he does show effort, a desire for the ball in key situations, and responsibility for failure/success. As a UNC student I saw none of this from Barnes, despite wanting to believe he's a star


Perpetual Optimism

[SWedd523]

Tim Duncan never showed emotion and hes one of the greatest ever.

http://s3-ak.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/terminal01/2011/7/11/15/enhanced-buzz-5831-1310412249-27.jpg

[Chef]

Unguardable?

Let's try 44% from the floor, no court vision, and terrible ball handling for a wing.

I can't for the life of me figure out why he's still projected as a top 4-5 pick. Had he not been pimped out of high school and played for any other college besides UNC he would barely be a 1st round pick.

I might could understand if he were a freak athlete 6'11 44 inch vert etc.

Moe Harkless had better numbers than Barnes and is 6'9 and much more athletic and is projected mid 1st to Barnes top 5. Doesnt make any sense.




:D http://www.bobcatsplanet.com/vb/showthread.php?13523-The-Official-Michael-Kidd-Gilchrist-Thread&p=216275#post216275

so you are saying you are high on him. got it.

[Veteran_Picksetter]

Last week, Jared Sullinger had an 8'11" standing reach. He still does on nbadraft.net.

Now, when you go to his draftexpress profile, he is only at 8'9.5". This might not seem like much difference, but for an unathletic, half-court specialist like Sullinger, it's a significant loss. 8'9"ish is where you really start to question a big man's length.

Looking more and more like Sean May......

[Veteran_Picksetter]

Unguardable?
I can't for the life of me figure out why he's still projected as a top 4-5 pick. Had he not been pimped out of high school and played for any other college besides UNC he would barely be a 1st round pick.

:D http://www.bobcatsplanet.com/vb/showthread.php?13523-The-Official-Michael-Kidd-Gilchrist-Thread&p=216275#post216275

The UNC hype, like you said, and maybe the fact that he's the "good kid" with "good grades" who probably interviews well? Also, he passes the eye test for people who don't dig deep enough into his game. LOOKS like a stud who shoots nicely......

But looks can deceive....

[DashGlobal]

Emotion and killer instinct are not the same. I believe swedd was actually talking about his drive to succeed and as trob put it-"kill" other teams. Duncan may not show emotion but he does show effort, a desire for the ball in key situations, and responsibility for failure/success. As a UNC student I saw none of this from Barnes, despite wanting to believe he's a star


Perpetual Optimism

Barnes took the ball in KEY game deciding buzzer beaters that resulted in a W.

Not to mention showing up big late in the UK game, albeit in a losing effort.

Sure Barnes can command the ball more but lets not over due it here.....

[DashGlobal]

Unguardable?

Let's try 44% from the floor, no court vision, and terrible ball handling for a wing.

I can't for the life of me figure out why he's still projected as a top 4-5 pick. Had he not been pimped out of high school and played for any other college besides UNC he would barely be a 1st round pick.

I might could understand if he were a freak athlete 6'11 44 inch vert etc.

Moe Harkless had better numbers than Barnes and is 6'9 and much more athletic and is projected mid 1st to Barnes top 5. Doesnt make any sense.

:D http://www.bobcatsplanet.com/vb/showthread.php?13523-The-Official-Michael-Kidd-Gilchrist-Thread&p=216275#post216275

For a wing his size I am not sure id go as far as to say his handle is terrible. Like I said he is more than capable of using a hard 2 - 3 dribble move pull up / step back / fade away that you are gonna have a extremely hard time contesting properly.

A 6'8 athletic SF that can shoot wouldnt barely be a 1st round pick had he not been pimped out of HS and went to UNC?!? Please. You are confusing Barnes with Beal. With Beal's poor measurables and average ppg and shooting stats he is the one that is living off his high school hype.

I like Harkless but he didnt have better numbers than Barnes and is not more athletic. See ppg and the combine results.

[SWedd523]

His handle is terrible for a wing. No other way to put it. Of the 5 guards/wings locked into the lottery that aren't PGs, he definitely has the worst handle.

Beal, Lamb, and Waiters can, and do, run point for their respective teams.
MKG can handle the ball well enough to consistently beat his man with somewhat regularity

Barnes can't do either. And if he was so lethal with that 2 dribble pullup, he wouldn't have shot 44% from the field.


All elite wings/guards are capable of consistently beating their man and/or running the offense. LeBron, Kobe, Wade, Manu, Durant, and so on



A 6'8 athletic SF that can shoot wouldnt barely be a 1st round pick had he not been pimped out of HS and went to UNC?!? Please.Jeff Taylor.


Beal's poor measurables+4.75" wingspan is greater than Barnes' +4.25

39" max vert compared to 39.5" for Barnes
10.95 agility compared to 10.93 for Barnes
3.28 sprint compared to 3.16 for Barnes

I'm missing the poor measurables.


average ppg and shooting stats14.8 points on 10.6 attempts for Beal equals 1.4 points per shot
17.1 points on 13.7 attempts for Barnes equals 1.25 points per shot

In other words, Beal's ppg is only "average" because he took less shots. He was far more efficient than Barnes overall.


But let's look at what really counts. In the tournament, Barnes shot 33% and 26% from three. Beal shot 61% and 42% from three. YOWZA


As for Barnes vs. Harkless, I'll take

15.3 points
8.6 rebounds
1.4 blocks
1.4 assists
1.6 steals

as the overwhelming best player on a bad team (in other words... the guy other team's targeted every night)

over

17.4 points
5.2 rebounds
0.3 blocks
1.1 assists
1.1 steals

as one part of a four pronged offense on a team where other teams can't target one specific player


Any day of the week. Especially since one had better numbers across the board (other than ppg) despite being a Freshman

[Veteran_Picksetter]

Swedd just informed me that the standing reaches have been corrected from last week.

Some of the players now having better standing reaches:

Terrence Jones(solid length for PF now....)
Brad Beal (Went from 8'3" to 8'4". Looks a little more appropriate for SG)
Jeremy Lamb(now listed with SF length...)
Tyler Zeller(gained half an inch, but still in low PF territory)
Kendall Marshall
Jeff Taylor(if memory serves)

Worse:

Harrison Barnes (slightly)
Jared Sullinger 8'11" down to 8'9.5", and that hurts a guy like him.
Quincy Miller (still has terrific length for SF)

[DashGlobal]

His handle is terrible for a wing. No other way to put it. Of the 5 guards/wings locked into the lottery that aren't PGs, he definitely has the worst handle.

Beal, Lamb, and Waiters can, and do, run point for their respective teams.
MKG can handle the ball well enough to consistently beat his man with somewhat regularity
Barnes can't do either. And if he was so lethal with that 2 dribble pullup, he wouldn't have shot 44% from the field.
All elite wings/guards are capable of consistently beating their man and/or running the offense. LeBron, Kobe, Wade, Manu, Durant, and so on

Not sure what games you are watching but I saw Barne's beat his man (who was almost always a smaller quicker player) off the dribble a few times almost every game.

I dont think anyone is thinking Barnes or any wing for that matter as being / becoming elite like the people you mentioned....



Jeff Taylor.

Taylor is 6'7


14.8 points on 10.6 attempts for Beal equals 1.4 points per shot
17.1 points on 13.7 attempts for Barnes equals 1.25 points per shot

In other words, Beal's ppg is only "average" because he took less shots. He was far more efficient than Barnes overall.

Stats dont tell the whole story. What about guys that mainly score in transition and in the paint on cheap buckets? They could have a high points per shot but that dont make them a better player.

Not matter what his excuse is for only averaging 14 ppg it is still average.


As for Barnes vs. Harkless, I'll take

15.3 points
8.6 rebounds
1.4 blocks
1.4 assists
1.6 steals

as the overwhelming best player on a bad team (in other words... the guy other team's targeted every night)

over

17.4 points
5.2 rebounds
0.3 blocks
1.1 assists
1.1 steals

as one part of a four pronged offense on a team where other teams can't target one specific player


Any day of the week. Especially since one had better numbers across the board (other than ppg) despite being a Freshman

Funny you didnt bring up points per shot in this comparison..... lol

I like Harkless and would take him over Barnes myself. But one can easily taught Barnes as better.

[murphman]

Guess I'll put this here. In house workouts start tommorow. So far I know of three coming to town:

6-15 Miles Plumlee
6-16 Bradley Beal
6-22 Thomas Robinson


Please add updates

[dnbman]

Guess I'll put this here. In house workouts start tommorow. So far I know of three coming to town:

6-15 Miles Plumlee
6-16 Bradley Beal
6-22 Thomas Robinson


Please add updates

Good idea to put them all together. I'm also posting them in individual threads.


Chris Littman: Bobcats will work out Maurice Bolden, Justin Hamilton, Eli Holman, Kyle Phillips, Robert Sacre, Mike Scott on Friday. Twitter

[Jerp]

From Rick Bonnell

I hear both Beal and Kidd-Gilchrist are here Monday, then Robinson on Friday.

[MadBOBCATfanUK]

Mike Scott, Sacre (2 5 year players are working out today) +
Maurice Bolden (Southern Miss), Justin Hamilton (LSU), Eli Holman (Detroit), Kyle Phillips (Belmont Abbey)

[gamecocksmitty4]

I've never heard of any of those guys.

[dnbman]

I've never heard of any of those guys.

Though, I'm glad to hear that Philips has horse racing experience.

A couple of those guys are mid second rounders on mock drafts I've seen. I'm guessing most of those guys are being looked at as late draft picks, guys we might try to get if we acquire a 50th pick or something like that. They may be in play for 31, but I'm doubting it.

[gamecocksmitty4]

I take that back. I remember seeing Hamilton play in Columbia this year. He was actually impressive, but mostly because he couldn't miss a free throw. Other than that, he was nothing special.

[SWedd523]

Scott was a pretty good player for UVA. Kind of old, but very skilled. Sacre is a big dude, I saw Gonzaga play maybe 5 or so times the past two years and never came away impressed. Nice physical tools, but seems like a bad attitude type of guy

[Chef]

Mike Scott, Sacre (2 5 year players are working out today) +
Maurice Bolden (Southern Miss), Justin Hamilton (LSU), Eli Holman (Detroit), Kyle Phillips (Belmont Abbey)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TR-bsTkkXVY

[dnbman]

Robert Sacre

(On how much he knows about the Charlotte Bobcats)
Well you guys drafted Adam Morrison from Gonzaga so that’s good (laughter). But you guys have a good program here and are currently in a rebuilding stage.

funny stuff, future douche-league player.

[Plowright]

Yeah, these guys are all possible undrafted guys i reckon, or were just doing agents favors working them out, in return the agents will work out their higher profile names for you as well. Teams always seem to do the favors early on in the process to get them out the way before they move onto the real stuff

[murphman]

RT @chrislittmann (http://twitter.com/chrislittmann): Bradley
Beal, Kidd-Gilchrist, Johnson-Odom, Bernard James, Kris Joseph, Quincy Acy
working out for #bobcats tomorrow

From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com#ixzz1y9PelAP0 (http://www.draftexpress.com/#ixzz1y9PelAP0)
http://www.draftexpress.com

That was posted yesterday so I guess they are already here.

[akaseinfeld]

We are up next for Robinson on Friday as we all know.

519

[dnbman]

We are up next for Robinson on Friday as we all know.

519

"Bobcats lol"??!!

He better not be loling too much; he may be a Bobcat!

[Whiz Kid]

"Bobcats lol"??!!

He better not be loling too much; he may be a Bobcat!

Doesn't mean he wants to be lol. Sad but probably true.

[akaseinfeld]

Found this exchange on twitter between Sam Amick and another guy in regards to Robinson/Drummond workout yesterday:

Nate Jones ‏@JonesOnTheNBA
So Thomas Robinson beat down Drummond in their match up today, @Sam_Amick (https://twitter.com/sam_amick)?


https://twimg0-a.akamaihd.net/profile_images/1232097271/Work_pic_normal.jpg Sam Amick ‏@sam_amick (https://twitter.com/sam_amick)7h (https://twitter.com/sam_amick/status/215703785106964480)
@JonesOnTheNBA (https://twitter.com/JonesOnTheNBA) That's what I hear

[SJackson1]

does anyone else think harrison barnes looks like kwame ?

[MadBOBCATfanUK]

BREAKING NEWS: Charlotte Bobcats twitter feed report @HBarnes (https://twitter.com/#%21/HBarnes) is the first guy in #CatsDraft (https://twitter.com/#%21/search/%23CatsDraft) workouts to cut off his sleeves - 3 of the 4 other guys then followed suit #nba (https://twitter.com/#%21/search/%23nba)

SWAG

[SJackson1]

he his a good height for a SF a6 6ft 8

[Jerp]

BREAKING NEWS: Charlotte Bobcats twitter feed report @HBarnes (https://twitter.com/#%21/HBarnes) is the first guy in #CatsDraft (https://twitter.com/#%21/search/%23CatsDraft) workouts to cut off his sleeves - 3 of the 4 other guys then followed suit #nba (https://twitter.com/#%21/search/%23nba)

SWAG

Damn rebellious kids :p

[CharlotteHornets]

From the Bobcats Twitter Feed:

Everyone here to watch @HBarnes (http://twitter.com/#!/HBarnes) #CatsDraft (http://twitter.com/#!/search/%23CatsDraft) workout today: Chairman #MichaelJordan (http://twitter.com/#!/search/%23MichaelJordan) #RodHiggins (http://twitter.com/#!/search/%23RodHiggins) #RichCho (http://twitter.com/#!/search/%23RichCho) #MikeDunlap (http://twitter.com/#!/search/%23MikeDunlap) #CurtisPolk (http://twitter.com/#!/search/%23CurtisPolk) #nba (http://twitter.com/#!/search/%23nba)

Impressive work from @HBarnes (http://twitter.com/#!/HBarnes) in #CatsDraft (http://twitter.com/#!/search/%23CatsDraft) dunk drill. 15 dunks in 1 minute - all with authority #nba (http://twitter.com/#!/search/%23nba)

Just watched @HBarnes (http://twitter.com/#!/HBarnes) knock down over 80% of his midrange jumpers in this #CatsDraft (http://twitter.com/#!/search/%23CatsDraft) shooting drill #nba (http://twitter.com/#!/search/%23nba)

Head Coach #MikeDunlap (http://twitter.com/#!/search/%23MikeDunlap) just stepped in and effortlessly takes over #CatsDraft (http://twitter.com/#!/search/%23CatsDraft) workout. Intensity picked up #nba (http://twitter.com/#!/search/%23nba)

Do you think Harrison Barnes is becoming the frontrunner in the eyes of the Bobcats??

[SJackson1]

From the Bobcats Twitter Feed:

Everyone here to watch @HBarnes (http://twitter.com/#!/HBarnes) #CatsDraft (http://twitter.com/#!/search/%23CatsDraft) workout today: Chairman #MichaelJordan (http://twitter.com/#!/search/%23MichaelJordan) #RodHiggins (http://twitter.com/#!/search/%23RodHiggins) #RichCho (http://twitter.com/#!/search/%23RichCho) #MikeDunlap (http://twitter.com/#!/search/%23MikeDunlap) #CurtisPolk (http://twitter.com/#!/search/%23CurtisPolk) #nba (http://twitter.com/#!/search/%23nba)

Impressive work from @HBarnes (http://twitter.com/#!/HBarnes) in #CatsDraft (http://twitter.com/#!/search/%23CatsDraft) dunk drill. 15 dunks in 1 minute - all with authority #nba (http://twitter.com/#!/search/%23nba)

Just watched @HBarnes (http://twitter.com/#!/HBarnes) knock down over 80% of his midrange jumpers in this #CatsDraft (http://twitter.com/#!/search/%23CatsDraft) shooting drill #nba (http://twitter.com/#!/search/%23nba)

Head Coach #MikeDunlap (http://twitter.com/#!/search/%23MikeDunlap) just stepped in and effortlessly takes over #CatsDraft (http://twitter.com/#!/search/%23CatsDraft) workout. Intensity picked up #nba (http://twitter.com/#!/search/%23nba)

Do you think Harrison Barnes is becoming the frontrunner in the eyes of the Bobcats??


sounds good !

[Mustachio]

From the Bobcats Twitter Feed:

Do you think Harrison Barnes is becoming the frontrunner in the eyes of the Bobcats??


No, I think Harrison Barnes was the only player worth tweeting about at the workout today. He is in the mix at #2 for sure and a good workout only helps his case. But Matt Rochinski tweeting positive thoughts doesn't mean he's a front runner in the front office eyes.

[ammofan]

I think it's Barnes or Robinson.

[akaseinfeld]

Rick Bonnell ‏@rick_bonnell
#Bobcats (https://twitter.com/#!/search/%23Bobcats)' Dunlap on Barnes: "He shoots the ball extremely well, he's a very good athlete and he's got a good attitude."

[CharlotteHornets]

Rick Bonnell ‏@rick_bonnell
#Bobcats (https://twitter.com/#!/search/%23Bobcats)' Dunlap on Barnes: "He shoots the ball extremely well, he's a very good athlete and he's got a good attitude."

I am starting to think Barnes has a Dunlap type guy written all over him...I really hope we can trade back into the 1st Round to get PJ III, Meyers Leonard, or Fab Melo if we decide to pick Barnes at #2

[ohara831]

Read something about PJ3 having really bad workouts and falling fast in the eyes of GM's. Will try to find it and post a link.

[Whiz Kid]

I've been on the Barnes train. But of course we still have to wait for the probably most anticipated workout tomorrow.

[CharlotteHornets]

Read something about PJ3 having really bad workouts and falling fast in the eyes of GM's. Will try to find it and post a link.

That will be interesting to see how far he falls if that is true...He certainly passes the "eyeball" test. I think the best thing for him would be to get drafted by the Celtics and play with KG for a year if the Celtics keep him...

[CharlotteHornets]

I've been on the Barnes train. But of course we still have to wait for the probably most anticipated workout tomorrow.

I think Dunlap may be the perfect coach for Harrison Barnes. We all know Barnes can shoot and Dunlap has made it clear that there will be specific drills for his players...not just going to the gym and "getting shots up". I think a lot of the drills will be to improve his ball handling and comfort getting all the way to the rim....

To go even further I think going to Carolina was one of the worst things that happened to Barnes. I don't think Roy Williams is a great coach when it comes to improving a player like Barnes. Roy only wants to play the game one way...run, run, and run some more. When forced into a halfcourt set the #1 priority was to get the ball into the post to Zeller and Henson. Because of Roy's system, Barnes was a #3 option. If Barnes would have gone to Kentucky and played under Calipari in that Iso system I think Barnes game would be much improved.

[murphman]

Sam Amick: In the continuing draft circuit, I'm told Kansas F Thomas Robinson had his way w/ UConn C Andre Drummond in a
Cleveland workout today (No.2) (http://hoopshype.com/twitter/media.html) Twitter (http://hoopshype.com/twitter/media.html)

Ouch.

T-Rob looking good. I think he comes here tomorrow or Sat.

[Whiz Kid]

I think Dunlap may be the perfect coach for Harrison Barnes. We all know Barnes can shoot and Dunlap has made it clear that there will be specific drills for his players...not just going to the gym and "getting shots up". I think a lot of the drills will be to improve his ball handling and comfort getting all the way to the rim....

To go even further I think going to Carolina was one of the worst things that happened to Barnes. I don't think Roy Williams is a great coach when it comes to improving a player like Barnes. Roy only wants to play the game one way...run, run, and run some more. When forced into a halfcourt set the #1 priority was to get the ball into the post to Zeller and Henson. Because of Roy's system, Barnes was a #3 option. If Barnes would have gone to Kentucky and played under Calipari in that Iso system I think Barnes game would be much improved.

I agree. From all I've read and seen today, Dunlap stepped in and took over workouts and the pace and intensity dramatically changed and Barnes described it as a "track meet" compared to other teams workouts. He also said that he had dinner with Dunlap last night so I'm sure they discussed a lot. We just got to wait and see how the workouts tomorrow go.

SIDENOTE: He worked hands on with Bis, Mully, Carroll, and Higgins as well. Also High Intensity.

[ohara831]

Drummond and T-Rob both in Charlotte Friday.

[CharlotteHornets]

I agree. From all I've read and seen today, Dunlap stepped in and took over workouts and the pace and intensity dramatically changed and Barnes described it as a "track meet" compared to other teams workouts. He also said that he had dinner with Dunlap last night so I'm sure they discussed a lot. We just got to wait and see how the workouts tomorrow go.

SIDENOTE: He worked hands on with Bis, Mully, Carroll, and Higgins as well. Also High Intensity.

That is really interesting to hear that they had dinner last night...I wonder if he will have dinner with Drummond and T-Rob...

[Whiz Kid]

That is really interesting to hear that they had dinner last night...I wonder if he will have dinner with Drummond and T-Rob...

http://www.nba.com/bobcats/video/2012/06/21/120621barnesm4v-2134517

Says little about it in his post-workout interview. Doesn't really discuss anything that was said in it though. Bummer. But he does describe a little about Dunlap, not much that we haven't figured out already though.

[CharlotteHornets]

http://www.nba.com/bobcats/video/2012/06/21/120621barnesm4v-2134517

Says little about it in his post-workout interview. Doesn't really discuss anything that was said in it though. Bummer. But he does describe a little about Dunlap, not much that we haven't figured out already though.

He is an IMPRESSIVE and well spoken young man.

[spectre]

SIDENOTE: He worked hands on with Bis, Mully, Carroll, and Higgins as well. Also High Intensity.

Mully is in Charlotte?

I just read on Hoopshype this AM where he was a "no show" at something involving the Olympics & Great Britain...and now that I've went to find it I see this:

http://www.gbbasketball.com/news/2488.php


Mullens Injury Rules him out for GB

British Basketball has today confirmed that NBA player, Byron Mullens will no longer be joining the Standard Life GB men for the Olympic Games this summer.



I didn't know the guy was a Brit nor did I realize he was injured. Anyone know what's up?

[Jerp]

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/blog/_/name/nba_draft/id/8080883/2012-nba-draft-workout-buzz-top-prospects

Inside piece by Chad Ford on recent workouts.
Talked about MKG has been impressing teams with his intensity and aggresiveness, has shot the ball well, but isnt really shining in drills, Ford thinks MKGs aggresivness has moved the needle slightly in his favor.
Beal has been terrific in workouts and aggressive as well, although hes not real high on our list because of Hendo.
Both MKG and Beal are done with workouts along with Barnes. Barnes worked out today, and was impressive shooting the ball.
TRob comes in tomorrow along with Drummond, who is starting to drop like a fly and probably won't be picked by Portland at 6. Blazers believe Lilliard won't be there when they pick 11. Also Lilliard is choosing to do only solo workouts for teams.

[Whiz Kid]

Mully is in Charlotte?

I just read on Hoopshype this AM where he was a "no show" at something involving the Olympics & Great Britain...and now that I've went to find it I see this:

http://www.gbbasketball.com/news/2488.php



I didn't know the guy was a Brit nor did I realize he was injured. Anyone know what's up?

Theres also been tweets circulating that from Bonnell that he didn't look hurt at workouts so... it is a mystery.

[Whiz Kid]

He is an IMPRESSIVE and well spoken young man.

I'm only 15 but I definitely agree lol. He definitely carries himself well.

[polarcat]

I'm warming up to Barnes being here more than before, though Robinson is still my guy. IMO, I think Beal and Drummond are out for us because of Hendo and Bismack. Not to say that we wouldn't take BPA even if we already have a player in that spot, but I think Robinson and Barnes are the two that we come down to. Robinson at the 4 brings maturity and a great all around game, and for Barnes, he gives us a silky smooth shooter with ups and flash at the 3. For me, I'd prefer ThoR at #2, or trade with Cleveland and take whichever of Robinson or Barnes is there at 4.

[ammofan]

I'm warming up to Barnes being here more than before, though Robinson is still my guy. IMO, I think Beal and Drummond are out for us because of Hendo and Bismack. Not to say that we wouldn't take BPA even if we already have a player in that spot, but I think Robinson and Barnes are the two that we come down to. Robinson at the 4 brings maturity and a great all around game, and for Barnes, he gives us a silky smooth shooter with ups and flash at the 3. For me, I'd prefer ThoR at #2, or trade with Cleveland and take whichever of Robinson or Barnes is there at 4.

Yup I want to trade down to 4 and pick up an extra pick, and take whoever is there between ThoR/HB

[SJackson1]

Barnes is a better jump shooter than MKG and he his a terrific 3 point shooter aswell.

[TheBeagle]

That is really interesting to hear that they had dinner last night...I wonder if he will have dinner with Drummond and T-Rob... I felt the same way when I heard Harry say that in his post-workout interview. I think it shows a lot of good things about he and Dunlap, frankly. I'm seeing a lot of Pop in Dunlap; that is, wanting to connect with his players on a personal level outside of the game of basketball; willing/wanting to go to the Congo and see Biz in the off-season if he goes back home (something tells me though, Biz will be living at TWC this summer!). Seeing those pics of Biz and Dunlap working on screens was so awesome...if there are two hungrier, driven individuals I haven't seen them.

As for Mullens, I recall Martin mentioning during a game that Mullens' mother is British. As for his injury, apparently it's not bad enough to keep him away from working out with Dunlap which is great.

As for the draft, I'm still without a preference with a week to go. I'm liking the talk about trading down to get another lotto pick but I'll wait 'til Robinson has his workout before I (maybe) have a definite opinion.

[SJackson1]

i think Barnes impressed Dunlap today and i think TRob will impress tomorrow aswell

[ohara831]

Mully is in Charlotte?

I just read on Hoopshype this AM where he was a "no show" at something involving the Olympics & Great Britain...and now that I've went to find it I see this:

http://www.gbbasketball.com/news/2488.php



I didn't know the guy was a Brit nor did I realize he was injured. Anyone know what's up?

Saw it was a toe injury. All I heard.

[SJackson1]

im british and Mullens is a huge miss for us in the olympics !

[Plowright]

Mullens pulled out the team with a toe injury, apparantly it had been bothering him all year. However, there was all an issue with naturalisation and the number of naturalised players allowed to be on the GB team. At the end of the day I don't think Mullens's hearts was really in it for the GB team. His toe obv isnt bothering him as he is back In Charlotte working out and everything, that is just an excuse. If he really wanted to he could have played. On other news, it looks like Royce White has a promise from the Celtics and Joh Jenkins has gone for a 2nd workout with the Nuggets at 20.

[spectre]

No offense to our British friends but I'm very happy here's here right now.

[McBeastie]

I was definitely interested to see how he would do at the Olympics. I think it's good though that he decided to focus on his day job, so to speak, in Charlotte with Dunlap.