Off-Season Trade and Free Agent Ideas Thread

[Mustachio]

Find a realistic way for us to get Thomas Robinson and Harrison Barnes.

I ask because I think Robinson is the best player available, and would be a decent compliment beside Bismack. But I also don't want to leave this draft without a SF.

It doesn't have to be Harrison Barnes even though I think he has the most NBA potential of any SF in this draft.

So again... staying at 2 for T-Rob, get me back into the draft for a SF we can build with.

[spectre]

I think to get the 6th from Portland it'd take at least DJ/Hendo/their 1st returned and is probably the most viable option. Still they'd be trying to make us take the 11th instead (which I assume will be past Barnes' window)...would we do DJ/Henderson for the 11th?

Very very early for me but I'm liking Robinson too.

[dnbman]

I think to get the 6th from Portland it'd take at least DJ/Hendo/their 1st returned and is probably the most viable option. Still they'd be trying to make us take the 11th instead (which I assume will be past Barnes' window)...would we do DJ/Henderson for the 11th?

Very very early for me but I'm liking Robinson too.


Is it safe to say we'd trade DJ for the 11th? DJ and the 31st?

What else would you be willing to part with? We still can get a nice player there, even if it's not Barnes, who I think will be gone.

On a side note, local sports talk in Columbia was crucifying Charlotte for inviting Barnes to a work out for the 2nd pick. Though, I don't think those guys understand anything about the big picture at all.

[superb1]

I would like to walk away with T-Rob and a SF, what about making a move for Q Miller, Harkless or Royce White if we can't get Barnes.

[CrazyCarl139]

I think DJ and giving Portland their pick back will land us at least #11. At 11 Terrance Jones should be there. Maybe Perry Jones if we're lucky.

[Chef]

I think DJ and giving Portland their pick back will land us at least #11. At 11 Terrance Jones should be there. Maybe Perry Jones if we're lucky.

don't think so. this draft is so much stronger than next year's projected class. the #11 in this class is far far more of a potential player than next years. plus dj's value is about equal to a turd sandwich right now so there is no pressing need to sign and trade for him.

[rsxnova]

What options will be available should we choose to trade the number 2 pick? Obviously this will become more of an viable as teams fall in love with players.

Maybe a team like Sac looking for a SF? Pick 2 and DJ for Reke(Rumored to be otb) and pick 5.

[Bosnian-Bobcats-Fan]

if we do dj plus hendo and the portland 2013 pick we could probably get the 11th pick...but is it worth it?.....we could get hopefully jeremy lamb at 11 to fill the sg void left by hendo especially if we choose TROB at 2....or we could go for a sf.....maybe reach for quincy miller who i really like in this draft the guy is really skilled and can score.

[dnbman]

if we do dj plus hendo and the portland 2013 pick we could probably get the 11th pick...but is it worth it?.....we could get hopefully jeremy lamb at 11 to fill the sg void left by hendo especially if we choose TROB at 2....or we could go for a sf.....maybe reach for quincy miller who i really like in this draft the guy is really skilled and can score.

The only thing I really like about that trade is using DJ for some leverage. In essence, it's trading Hendo and next year's pick for this year's if we were to let DJ walk.

I'm still not sure I like that. Hendo was coming into form at the end of the season and next year's pick could still get us a nice player.

[MadBOBCATfanUK]

I don't think we have any real assets outside of Henderson and DJ that can be used in a draft day trade, and if a team really wants DJ they can sign him in off-season and same for Hendo except next off-season

[CrazyCarl139]

We should keep #2, but try to use DJ (and maybe Henderson) to get an additonal lottery pick.

I think there's a chance we deal DJ and Portland's future 1st to Portland for #6 or #11.

I also read that Toronto is willing to trade #8. I'd offer them DJ and Henderson for #8 and maybe Ed Davis if they're willing. If not, we really just want #8. They'll have Valanciunas, Barganini, DeRozan, Hendo, DJ and Bayless in a Harden-like role.

[Plowright]

Henderson and DJ by themselves would only get us to mid to late first round lets be honest. I dont think any team would want both of them packaged together, what have they show for that? I think we have to take on salary or give up a future pick to get another lottery pick

[MadBOBCATfanUK]

I really can't think of any trade that doesn't screw up long term cap that any other team would accept. Or I suppose FO could ship out Tyrus for a player with a larger salary.

[Plowright]

Chad Ford just posted that his insider article has a section about the Cavs trading 2 and 24 for the 2nd pick.... Interest?

[spectre]

Chad Ford just posted that his insider article has a section about the Cavs trading 2 and 24 for the 2nd pick.... Interest?

It's better than what we paid for Okafor.

Depends on Cho's target and if we could get the same guy at 4th vs 2nd. I've seen speculation that Robinson could drop to 4th because of CLE & WAS are looking at Beal/MKG. IF all this is true and Robinson is Cho's choice then absolutely.

[Mustachio]

I know I am in the minority here recently but I don't want to let Henderson go just yet. And I don't think any of the players 2-9 besides Robinson are worth giving him up for.

[The Prodigy]

I would love to be able to grab 11 from Portland and get a guy like Lamb. If we could end up with Robinson and Lamb, I would be thrilled.

Although Beal is still the guy I really want at 2. In that scenario, we could take a big at 11. Beal and Sullinger sounds tasty.

[SWedd523]

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[SWedd523]

With all the talk about Davis to Charlotte still being out there, would you trade Bismack and the #2 for Davis? Would New Orleans?

[Chef]

With all the talk about Davis to Charlotte still being out there, would you trade Bismack and the #2 for Davis? Would New Orleans?

in a heartbeat and not in a million years.

[adam187]

just let cho get on the phone with one of these teams: golden state, sacramento, milwaukee, maybe a few others.

last year's deal before the draft was awesome, let's hope lightening strikes twice.

[SJackson1]

could someone explain how we could trade the No 2 pick ?

[superb1]

I feel strongly that we will walk away from this draft a little than last year draft. I feel more confident than us getting AD that we will trade for another quality prospect

[superb1]

could someone explain how we could trade the No 2 pick ?

I say Portland or Cleveland would be our best bet to trade the no 2. It depends on who they are targeting.

[RMT]

We can use The Pick from the blazers to trade back up to Take Zeller.

PG:Kemba/?
SG:Henderson/Carrol
SF:Barnes/Corey
PF:Smack/Tyrus
C:Zeller/Mullens

That be a big improvemnt over last year team and I think Barnes is gonna be a Superstar in this league.

[SJackson1]

I say Portland or Cleveland would be our best bet to trade the no 2. It depends on who they are targeting.

and in return what do get ?

[SJackson1]

Biyombo is our starting center

[RMT]

Biyombo is our starting center

I Think he could play PF and to have him and zeller together in the paint would be awesome.

[SJackson1]

I Think he could play PF and to have him and zeller together in the paint would be awesome.


it would be awsome but i think Biyombo should start at center and we should get Thomas Robinson as the PF

[superb1]

I know I am in the minority here recently but I don't want to let Henderson go just yet. And I don't think any of the players 2-9 besides Robinson are worth giving him up for.
you are not alone, I think I rather keep him.

[Chevalier au Lion]

Choose Beal in the #2 pick.

Trade DJ Augustin and Hendo and maybe a expiring like Williams for #11 Portland´s pick.
Choose Zeller in the #11.

Trade Biyombo for Henson.
Sign Jamison.

Kemba/¿?
Beal/¿?/Carroll
Maggette/Brown
Henson/Jamison/Tyrus
Zeller/¿Ezeli?

Sign veteran PG and SG for the backup in the free agency. Felton and Josh Howard/Belinelli for example.

I want Zeller and Henson together. Zeller can score and Henson is a good defender. I think Henson can improve more than Biyombo.

Regards from Spain!

[superb1]

and in return what do get ?

their two 1st rounders

[spectre]

their two 1st rounders

I'm leaning heavily towards this being the most I'd fall back. If everyone is right and the 2nd tier is Beal/MKG/Robinson with Drummond being the great unknown 6th gets into the 3rd tier.

Even then I'd expect to still get the player we want, else we need to stand pat. We need quality something fierce.

[superb1]

my ideal trade would be to stay at 2 and get T-Rob,MKG or Barnes and use the 2nd rounder, portland 13 pick and whatever to move back in the 1st and get a Fab melo, Q miller, John Jenkins etc. or if we can trade with Cleveland and get their 4 and 24th. get our man with the 4th and use the 24th, 31st, portland 13 to move up further. or for quantity keep the 4th,24th and use 31st and portland's13 to move up.

I would love to leave the draft with at least 2 1st rounders

[WAM9]

Trade Biyombo for Henson.

We are definitely on a different page here. I wouldn't trade Biyombo for 3 Hensons.

Also, on the Gerald Henderson conversation...I am not ready to let him get away just yet either. I still have relatively high hopes for him.

[Chef]

Choose Beal in the #2 pick.

Trade DJ Augustin and Hendo and maybe a expiring like Williams for #11 Portland´s pick.
Choose Zeller in the #11.

Trade Biyombo for Henson.
Sign Jamison.

Kemba/¿?
Beal/¿?/Carroll
Maggette/Brown
Henson/Jamison/Tyrus
Zeller/¿Ezeli?

Sign veteran PG and SG for the backup in the free agency. Felton and Josh Howard/Belinelli for example.

I want Zeller and Henson together. Zeller can score and Henson is a good defender. I think Henson can improve more than Biyombo.

Regards from Spain!

can we all agree to stop pretending that hendo + a FA DJ + an expiring = #6 or #11 in a pretty decent draft? would you be ok with iggy or tyreke evans or granger for #2? would you be ok if we were sitting with the 6th pick and were offered demare derozan and james johnson, hell no.

at the very best we could hope for would be dj, hendo, #31 and the blazers pick back for #6 and #11 or dj, 2013 pick back in exchange for #11.

i would explore tyreke evans, jason thompson and #5 for #2, #31 and mully

[Veteran_Picksetter]

We can use The Pick from the blazers to trade back up to Take Zeller.

PG:Kemba/?
SG:Henderson/Carrol
SF:Barnes/Corey
PF:Smack/Tyrus
C:Zeller/Mullens

That be a big improvemnt over last year team and I think Barnes is gonna be a Superstar in this league.

1. Zeller and Biyombo could make a very nice interchangeable duo at the two big positions. They definitely complement each other.

2. With Barnes and Zeller you would get two solid kids and solid nba rotation players. That'd be okay, I guess.

3. Barnes has a long way to go to be a "superstar". He can't do much off the dribble. He hasn't proven he can do much without Kendall Marshall next to him. I see him averaging around 15 points for 6-7 years, barring injury.

4. I'd rather get one "solid kid/safe pick"(Harrison or Zeller) with one guy who's a little higher risk/higher reward (T Jones, P Jones, Lamb, Lillard??).

[bes628]

There has to be some situation were we can take both Thomas Robinson and Jeremy Lamb right ?

[Black]

My dream offseason as of right now:

1-Amnesty Tyrus. Just take the hit and move on.
2-Draft Robinson and Jenkins or Melo.
3-Philly wants to move Iggy. Maggette and the pick Portland owes us for Iggy works, and saves the Sixers a lot of money, and allows them to play their young guys.
4-Sign Jamison at a reasonable price.
5-One way or another, I think Augustin is out. If Andre Miller or Jerryd Bayless can be had for cheap, they would be a nice addition. Otherwise, I'm not sure about backup point guard.
6-Don't keep dead weight around. Higgens, I'm looking at you.

Kemba
Henderson
Iggy
Robinson
Bismack
-----------
Jamison
Miller/Bayless/FA
Williams
Mullens
White
Brown
Jenkins/Melo
-----------
Carroll
Diop
UDFA

This plan isn't well thought out, but like I said, it's a dream. If the Sixers really want to make room for their younger guys without having a bad situation in the locker room, an expiring vet and a mid-round pick might get it done for Iggy. Using the amnesty on Tyrus isn't going to happen, but it would clear the way for Robinson and end the headache that Tyrus has been so far.

Feel free to go ahead and tear me apart!

[adam187]

can we all agree to stop pretending that hendo + a FA DJ + an expiring = #6 or #11 in a pretty decent draft? would you be ok with iggy or tyreke evans or granger for #2? would you be ok if we were sitting with the 6th pick and were offered demare derozan and james johnson, hell no.

at the very best we could hope for would be dj, hendo, #31 and the blazers pick back for #6 and #11 or dj, 2013 pick back in exchange for #11.

i would explore tyreke evans, jason thompson and #5 for #2, #31 and mully

you know, i've always been a little curious how kemba would play paired with tyreke evans. is it just me, or is he (kemba) a significantly better shooter/weapon playing off the balll on offense? would be an interesting pairing, and you could probably even run henderson out there with that group, too.

[mrfargo]

the way I see it, after anthony davis, they are all about the same 2-10.

My trade would be, bobcats #2, for portlands 6 & 11, then portlands 2013 for clevelands 24. keep the 31

that would give us 3 in the first round, and the 31 is just as good as a late 1st rounder.

[Chef]

you know, i've always been a little curious how kemba would play paired with tyreke evans. is it just me, or is he (kemba) a significantly better shooter/weapon playing off the balll on offense? would be an interesting pairing, and you could probably even run henderson out there with that group, too.

i would only make the trade if tyreke was willing to play more of a sf role. he needs the ball given to him not him controlling it.

[Chef]

the way I see it, after anthony davis, they are all about the same 2-10.

My trade would be, bobcats #2, for portlands 6 & 11, then portlands 2013 for clevelands 24. keep the 31

that would give us 3 in the first round, and the 31 is just as good as a late 1st rounder.

portland's pick will be alot better than 24. but if we did it, i would pair 24 and 31 and move up again.

[BETCATS]

If we could turn DJ + 31 into Kendall Marshall I'd jizz all over the place.

[BrotherDave]

If we could turn DJ + 31 into Kendall Marshall I'd jizz all over the place.

I wouldn't unless we are pretty much guaranteed to lose DJ for nothing. Unless you're talking about the worthless DJ White of course.

If this is the same BETCATS from Slamonline's comment board, what up homey.

[Hugo]

I'd try to move DJ for something that trade would certainly qualify. I also would like to move the pick Portland owes us into a 1st this year. Its top 13 protected until 2016 and this is the draft to have a mid round pick for.

Dream senario:
4&11 from CLE
~14 for DJ & 31
~20 for Portland pick
Buy a mid 20's pick

-5 first round picks.

I would be nuts!

[SJackson1]

we defo need to trade DJ in this draft

[spectre]

DJ is RFA...can't be traded on draft night or before. Can't even do a handshake deal as the teams wouldn't know what DJ would accept in his next contract.

[dav7z]

I think we really under valueing the 31st pick . In reality i think it would by its self have as much value as the 25th pick . Because of contracts, most ever year early 2nd round picks get traded back into the late first round. Im just guessing but i would think we could packege 24th and 31st and land somewhere in the mid teens. With a second first round pick . Just have a feeling Robinson will fall to 4th and we trade down. And try a move like this.
Washington is going to take Beal at 3 . It wouldn't be much risk if we know the team we trading with is not our target.

[Plowright]

There were a few boards going around with trade ideas but I thought I should make one for all things to do with draft trades, so I will start it off.

-Hendo, Reggie Williams for the 5th pick and Garcia (Apparantly Sac are looking for veterent help)

-Or Maybe Lowry for Kemba & Hendo plus the 14th pick?

Can I please just stress to be realistic, people on this forum over value our players as do every teams fans. Lets jsut remember we are looking to trade people who have little value to us going forward. If they have little value to us then who do you think they have value to? Okay and let the trades begin...

[DashGlobal]

I dont think neither of those trades are realistic

[Frosty06306]

Even if they were I would personally do neither.

[Mustachio]

Also, I don't think either trade really works. kind of seems like doing something to do something. I like Lowry but I don't think he makes us 30 wins better or anything not worth giving up kemba/hendo and a pick.

[DashGlobal]

Even if they were I would personally do neither.

Id trade Hendo, Reggie Williams for the 5th pick in a heartbeat!

[Plowright]

Well we would actually gain a pick as we get the 14 as well. That could be Terrance Ross or Rivers who in my opinion have higher ceilings than Hendo. But thats just my opinion

[Mustachio]

Well we would actually gain a pick as we get the 14 as well. That could be Terrance Ross or Rivers who in my opinion have higher ceilings than Hendo. But thats just my opinion


So Lowry and Harkless at 14 and still getting #2 TRob/Drummond for Hendo/Kemba. well now I'm listening... but I bet the rockets arent haha.

[spectre]

Shaun Powell: Hornets will entertain offers for 10th pick if someone also agrees to take Ariza or Okafor contracts (http://hoopshype.com/twitter/media.html). Twitter (http://hoopshype.com/twitter/media.html)

Ariza - 12/13 7,258,960 & 13/14 7,727,280 (player option)

Okafor - 12/13 13,543,250 & 13/14 14,544,687

One more year of pretty high salary for the 10th pick? I'd imagine they'd want a little more than cap relief if it's Ariza.

[dnbman]

Ariza - 12/13 7,258,960 & 13/14 7,727,280 (player option)

Okafor - 12/13 13,543,250 & 13/14 14,544,687

One more year of pretty high salary for the 10th pick? I'd imagine they'd want a little more than cap relief if it's Ariza.

Even if we took on Okafor, we'd be in pretty good FA shape next summer, especially if we amnesty TT next year, eating only two years of salary, which could be worth it if it means signing a significant star.

That could be a pretty nice trade. Ariza would be ideal, but I'd take Okafor back.

[spectre]

Right now we have 9 players under contract for next season at 43,191,467. Add 3.8 for the 2nd overall and that's close to 47 million for 10 players.

Mek would be hard to fit into our capspace. For the 10th pick and it being a pure salary dump I can't imagine them taking any player back unless it was a positive asset. Maybe it could be tweaked to make it work tho.

[dnbman]

Right now we have 9 players under contract for next season at 43,191,467. Add 3.8 for the 2nd overall and that's close to 47 million for 10 players.

Mek would be hard to fit into our capspace. For the 10th pick and it being a pure salary dump I can't imagine them taking any player back unless it was a positive asset. Maybe it could be tweaked to make it work tho.

I guess we could amnesty somebody like Diop now, though that hinders flexibility the following year.

I guess one would to think about it would be do we dedicate ourselves to drafting with some cap flexibility or keep as many options open as possible for free agency in the future? Tough call.

[WAM9]

Not to over simplify matters and it also depends on all the other options that are out there but taking back Okafor for 2 years in order to pick up a top 10 pick (which I feel like could be a long term starter for us) seems very tempting!

[dnbman]

Not to over simplify matters and it also depends on all the other options that are out there but taking back Okafor for 2 years in order to pick up a top 10 pick (which I feel like could be a long term starter for us) seems very tempting!

It would be sweet that the big contract given to Okafor would deliver us a first rounder. My only concern is that we slide back into mediocrity too quick, when we could use one more high lottery pick.

[Mustachio]

Man I love the idea of getting Okafor back and a top 10 pick at the same time, I've always love Oak and I have plans for the number 10 haha (harkless). But I think it REALLY blurs the draft picture for me.

Who do you take at #2 now? Do you take T-Rob and have 3 guys at around or under 6-10 as your front court? I mean its an awesome question to have to answer but I think like dnbman said it makes us better too quick and adds too much salary.

[SWedd523]

I'd flip Maggette for Okafor and the 10th. Diop for Ariza and the 10th. Seems like the type of deal Cho would make.



Beal (2) and Harkless (10) would make me awfully happy

[spectre]

I'd flip Maggette for Okafor and the 10th. Diop for Ariza and the 10th. Seems like the type of deal Cho would make.



Beal (2) and Harkless (10) would make me awfully happy

You in Beal's camp Swedd?

[SWedd523]

To be totally crude

1a. Jeremy Lamb
1b. Brad Beal
2. Thomas Robinson
3. Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
4a. Andre Drummond
4b. Harrison Barnes

[spectre]

To be totally crude

1a. Jeremy Lamb
1b. Brad Beal
2. Thomas Robinson
3. Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
4a. Andre Drummond
4b. Harrison Barnes

Thanks. I'm hot/cold on your 1b thru 3 for the 2nd pick. I'm hoping the combine will help me tighten my choice up a little more.

[Mustachio]

To be totally crude

1a. Jeremy Lamb
1b. Brad Beal
2. Thomas Robinson
3. Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
4a. Andre Drummond
4b. Harrison Barnes

So I'm guessing you would be in the move on past Henderson camp? Or just think that Beal/Lamb will be allstars? I like Lamb better than Beal, but at #2 I'm scared of both.

As to your post above this one. Drooling at either option. Diop for Ariza and 10 is too good to be possible.

[SWedd523]

Not necessarily move past Hendo, I just think Lamb has the brightest future regardless of position and so on, it's just a coincidence that they play the same position.

[Mustachio]

Not necessarily move past Hendo, I just think Lamb has the brightest future regardless of position and so on, it's just a coincidence that they play the same position.

I hear you. I just went and watched a couple things on him, and all I really came away with was that Kemba Walker was an underrated passer in college ha.

[SJackson1]

i would be interested in the trade with Portland but i don't think we will get a franchise changer with the 6th and 11th picks

[adam187]

if only there was a way to do maggette and tyrus for emeka and ariza plus the 10th.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=73fomep

sigh. dreams.

[MadBOBCATfanUK]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=77ro5cs
basically paying 12mil for the 10th pick.

[Plowright]

Apparantly we have talked to the Griz about the number 2 pick for Rudy Gay. Salaries are a mess though, would have to be a 3 teamer I reckon

[SJackson1]

i don't know what to think about that Rudy Gay trade, i think we need to wait and see what the players do in the workouts first

[Chef]

I'd flip Maggette for Okafor and the 10th. Diop for Ariza and the 10th. Seems like the type of deal Cho would make.



Beal (2) and Harkless (10) would make me awfully happy

no for okafor yes for ariza.

mags and 31 for ariza and 10th.

10th: terrance ross or jeremy lamb please

[dnbman]

mags and 31 for ariza and 10th.

10th: terrance ross or jeremy lamb please

And then do a little dance. Make a little love.

I'd be shocked if we pulled that off, but it would be a pretty nice trade for us.

[Plowright]

Sp apparantly we are really shopping our number 2 pick. Multiple sources on twitter have said we are. Also we are intervieweing people from the entire first round from the teens to the twentys, one of those was John Henson.

[spectre]

Sp apparantly we are really shopping our number 2 pick. Multiple sources on twitter have said we are. Also we are intervieweing people from the entire first round from the teens to the twentys, one of those was John Henson.

I'd expect nothing less from Cho...he's exploring all options.

[WAM9]

I'd expect nothing less from Cho...he's exploring all options.

I agree 100% with this.

[BlockParty]

Sp apparantly we are really shopping our number 2 pick. Multiple sources on twitter have said we are. Also we are intervieweing people from the entire first round from the teens to the twentys, one of those was John Henson.

This is diligent of Cho, even if MJ has mandated we are using the #2 pick, we can talk to any and every team and get an idea of who they are willing to move (measuring their value) and store that info away in Cho's head for future trades at or near the trade deadline.

[Plowright]

It sounds like we are approaching teams though rather than the other way round. I think theres a difference between open for business and looking to trade. It seems to me that we are looking to trade

[SWedd523]

It sounds like we are approaching teams though rather than the other way round. I think theres a difference between open for business and looking to trade. It seems to me that we are looking to trade
Wanna know why its obvious Cho didn't actively seek Memphis out looking to trade the pick?


Because they would have accepted that deal YESTERDAY

[Chef]

how about this offseason:

trade #2 and tyrus to cleveland for #4, #24 and boobie
trade diop and #24 to NO for #10 and ariza
trade #31 and mulley to boston for #21

#4: t-rob or barnes
#10: lamb or terrance ross
#21: royce white, quincy miller or marquis teague

max offer to roy hibbert

other moves possible: sign and trade with dj after draft, trade hendo at draft (maybe a hendo and portland pick to move into top 12?)

[CharlotteHornets]

The 1 great thing the Bobcats have if they are looking for trades is some great expiring contracts!

[DashGlobal]

If there is ever a time to trade a 2nd pick its now. With the draft being so deep and no clear cut number 2 guy I think we get way more bang for the buck with a good trade.

6th - 6'2 PG Damian Lillard

I easily see this guy being one of the top 5 players coming out of this draft. This dude is a play-making scoring machine. Great jumper, good handle, good size and athleticism. Would have an awesome PG depth with him and Kemba.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHBDW6tNcvo


11th - 6'8 SF Moe Harkless

Love this guy and his potential. Great size and athletic ability. Good handle and shot-making ability. Good rebounder and defender. Sky is the limit for this kid.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_1alVOQos8


31st (A) - 6'4 SG John Jenkins

I don't think he will be there at 31, so I would like to make a trade with Miami for their 27th pick. Give them DJ for it. But with that said there is still a chance Jenkins will be there when we pick at 31.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWmM4fD7P9g


31st (B) - 6'9 PF Drew Gordon

Guy averaged a double double last year. Very athletic. Nice value late, I def see him being able to contribute.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8TGsKdbE3I

[Mustachio]

I guess it just depends on who you value more lillard or Robinson. Personally I think a better plan would be stay at 2 take t-rob and trade back in to number 10 and take Moe Harkless. Leave with instant production AND a ton of potential.

[DashGlobal]

I guess it just depends on who you value more lillard or Robinson. Personally I think a better plan would be stay at 2 take t-rob and trade back in to number 10 and take Moe Harkless. Leave with instant production AND a ton of potential.

Honestly I think Lillard is better now and has more upside due to his size, skills and athletic ability than TRob.

At 6'2 Lillard is a prototypical PG but his offensive abilities are vastly superior to his counter-parts. Reminds me of a PG version of Eric Gordon only Lillard isnt undersized.

How would you suggest we trade back into the top 10 without trading our #2 pick?

[westbrook08]

I'm firmly for taking robinson @ 2 but i was thinking this morning about new orleans offering the 10th pick and some possibilities.I would have no problem taking on ariza or okafor for 2 years cause we're gonna have cap room.And ariza could give us wing depth or okafor could be a good back up for biz while he's coming along.My question is this.If we had 2 and 10 would you rather take robinson and PJ3 or MKG and sullinger.I think either one of those tandems help us.And sullinger measured a legit 6'9.So if people really think MKG is gonna be a star, @ least we could still get a 4 out of this draft who can rebound and score in the post.And obviously i love robinson,and while i'm not totally sold on PJ3,if we already have our guy we could roll the dice on his potential or take 10 and trade down farther and maybe get quincy miller and another guy late in the first round like jenkins and take machado or barton @ 31.It would give us alot of flexibility either way.Thoughts?

[DashGlobal]

No way NO is gonna be trading the 10th pick! This draft is so deep that they are guaranteed to get a good-great player there.

They could come away from this draft with Davis and Lillard.

Add that to Gordon and man you have 3 GREAT young pieces.

Lillard and Gordon could arguably be the most prolific scoring backcourt in the league in a few years.

[dnbman]

I'm firmly for taking robinson @ 2 but i was thinking this morning about new orleans offering the 10th pick and some possibilities.I would have no problem taking on ariza or okafor for 2 years cause we're gonna have cap room.And ariza could give us wing depth or okafor could be a good back up for biz while he's coming along.My question is this.If we had 2 and 10 would you rather take robinson and PJ3 or MKG and sullinger.I think either one of those tandems help us.And sullinger measured a legit 6'9.So if people really think MKG is gonna be a star, @ least we could still get a 4 out of this draft who can rebound and score in the post.And obviously i love robinson,and while i'm not totally sold on PJ3,if we already have our guy we could roll the dice on his potential or take 10 and trade down farther and maybe get quincy miller and another guy late in the first round like jenkins and take machado or barton @ 31.It would give us alot of flexibility either way.Thoughts?

If we take Robinson, I'd definitely be leaning more towards an outside shooting threat at 10. PJ3 might be nice, but I'd love to see he and a couple of other guys go higher and a guy like Barnes fall to us there. Lamb would be fine too.

[Mustachio]

No way NO is gonna be trading the 10th pick! This draft is so deep that they are guaranteed to get a good-great player there.

They could come away from this draft with Davis and Lillard.

Add that to Gordon and man you have 3 GREAT young pieces.

Lillard and Gordon could arguably be the most prolific scoring backcourt in the league in a few years.

They have already officially made it known that the 10th pick is for sale if Okafor or Ariza contracts go with it.

[DashGlobal]

They have already officially made it known that the 10th pick is for sale if Okafor or Ariza contracts go with it.

I didnt say it wasnt for sale. Hell even the 1st pick is for sale for the right pricetag (person)

I just think it is very unlikely they trade that pick.

We will see tho

[westbrook08]

It's not the same thing as saying the 1st pick is for sale for the right price.(which it's not)New orleans wants to free up cap room and has specifically made it known that if a team takes on the contract of okafor or ariza that they would part with the 10 pick.So you can't say there'e no way the'll trade the 10 pick, cause it's already on the table.And as far as taking a shooter with the 10 pick(lamb).I see what your saying but my point was that we need @ 3 and a 4 and this is a chance for us to legitimately fill both needs.We can buy a pick in the 20's for cash or take barton in the 2nd,or sign someone like novak to come off the bench in the off season.I don't think you waste a top 10 pick on that.I was basically wanting to know what you guys thought the best combination of sf and pf players we could get get would be if we had 2 and 10.I was thinking robinson and PJ3 or MKG and sullinger.I would really love it if we could aquire 10 and trade down for 14 and 16 from houston,which they might do cause they don't need alot more young players on their team.they've said as much.If we could do that and get robinson @ 2,marshall(if he slid a bit),or myers leonard @ 14, quincy miller @ 16, and barton or Machado @ 31 (depending on which player we got @ 14) i think we could fill alot of needs on this team and not mortgage the future.

[dnbman]

We can buy a pick in the 20's for cash or take barton in the 2nd,or sign someone like novak to come off the bench in the off season.I don't think you waste a top 10 pick on that.I was basically wanting to know what you guys thought the best combination of sf and pf players we could get get would be if we had 2 and 10.I was thinking robinson and PJ3 or MKG and sullinger.I would really love it if we could aquire 10 and trade down for 14 and 16 from houston,which they might do cause they don't need alot more young players on their team.they've said as much.If we could do that and get robinson @ 2,marshall(if he slid a bit),or myers leonard @ 14, quincy miller @ 16, and barton or Machado @ 31 (depending on which player we got @ 14) i think we could fill alot of needs on this team and not mortgage the future.

I like all of that and agree with your point about shooters. But if we think a guy like Barnes might be an elite scorer who can hit from outside, I'd like to take him, especially since PJ3 has question marks about how he'll actually contribute. (Though at 10, with a pick behind us, it would be worth a shot.) Trading down again for two picks could definitely be nice.

[westbrook08]

I definitely wouldn't touch barnes.I've watched him play every single game @ carolina,about 10 of those were in person.And the one thing i can tell you from having seen him up close and persoal alot is that he's along way from being an effective full time starter in the nba,much less a star.He moves horribly without the ball,he has almost no handle,and the only time i ever really saw him get to the rack was against severely smaller players or if someone blew an assignment.His skill at the time in the nba would basically be coming in for situational defense(because he is a pretty good defender) or playing a steve novak role,where he comes in for a few minutes and knocks down 3's and goes back to the bench.I'm not saying he doesn't have potential if he works hard @ his craft,but he's nowhere near being worth a top 5 pick right now.And i hate saying it because i bleed tarheel blue. and i think PJ3 scared me off today too.I saw an interview with him and he seems like a complete moron.I wouldn't trust him to suddenly pick things up @ the pro level. Hoopsworld was saying today that quincy miller has looked pretty raw @ the combine and may have played his way out of the first round.Right now i'm really hoping that we get robinson,then aquire the 10 pick and lillard is still there(i think he's gonna be a flat out star),and then maybe get a shot for miller @ 31.If not i'd trade 31 and the portland pick to move back into the 1st round.I think outside of noel and muhammed that next years draft is gonna suck,so we should move that extra pick while it still has value.

[DashGlobal]

It's not the same thing as saying the 1st pick is for sale for the right price.(which it's not)New orleans wants to free up cap room and has specifically made it known that if a team takes on the contract of okafor or ariza that they would part with the 10 pick.So you can't say there'e no way the'll trade the 10 pick, cause it's already on the table.And as far as taking a shooter with the 10 pick(lamb).I see what your saying but my point was that we need @ 3 and a 4 and this is a chance for us to legitimately fill both needs.We can buy a pick in the 20's for cash or take barton in the 2nd,or sign someone like novak to come off the bench in the off season.I don't think you waste a top 10 pick on that.I was basically wanting to know what you guys thought the best combination of sf and pf players we could get get would be if we had 2 and 10.I was thinking robinson and PJ3 or MKG and sullinger.I would really love it if we could aquire 10 and trade down for 14 and 16 from houston,which they might do cause they don't need alot more young players on their team.they've said as much.If we could do that and get robinson @ 2,marshall(if he slid a bit),or myers leonard @ 14, quincy miller @ 16, and barton or Machado @ 31 (depending on which player we got @ 14) i think we could fill alot of needs on this team and not mortgage the future.

Sign me up for

2nd - Robinson

14th - Leonard (im betting he is off the board here)

16th - Miller

31st - Jenkins or Wroten or Taylor

Fug yes!

[Steelmatic]

For me, I want PJ3 on this team somehow someway. If we were able to get the #10 pick in exchange for taking on Ariza (preferably) or Okafor's contract, that would be the ideal way to do it, keeping our #2 pick. I'm leaning towards Robinson with our # 2 pick if we stay there but would also like if we could pull off the trade for Portland's two lottery picks.

I just think after AD this draft is full of quality talent but everyone has some question mark, which is why there is no clear cut choice at #2. I think PJ3 has the highest "potential" to be a superstar outside of AD. He has the tools/skills to be great which I know can be said of a lot of players that busted. I think his struggles stem a lot from a lack of confidence at times and listening to recent interviews I've seen, he seems to recognize that and is working on that. If our plan is to build slow through the draft and collect assets, it would seem ideal if we could get what most people feel is a solid/safe piece in Robinson and also get a potential star in the same draft. Especially if it doesn't cost us any picks. So what if he doesn't come in and live up to expectation immediately (which he very well could), since we plan to be drafting high next year anyway. And many people have already been mentioning shooting for Muhammad or Noel next year. Well, they are what PJ3 was. One of the most highly touted HS players who likely would have been a top 3 pick had he been able to come straight out of HS. It may take him a little time but I think the kid will be very good.

[DashGlobal]

For me, I want PJ3 on this team somehow someway. If we were able to get the #10 pick in exchange for taking on Ariza (preferably) or Okafor's contract, that would be the ideal way to do it, keeping our #2 pick. I'm leaning towards Robinson with our # 2 pick if we stay there but would also like if we could pull off the trade for Portland's two lottery picks.

I just think after AD this draft is full of quality talent but everyone has some question mark, which is why there is no clear cut choice at #2. I think PJ3 has the highest "potential" to be a superstar outside of AD. He has the tools/skills to be great which I know can be said of a lot of players that busted. I think his struggles stem a lot from a lack of confidence at times and listening to recent interviews I've seen, he seems to recognize that and is working on that. If our plan is to build slow through the draft and collect assets, it would seem ideal if we could get what most people feel is a solid/safe piece in Robinson and also get a potential star in the same draft. Especially if it doesn't cost us any picks. So what if he doesn't come in and live up to expectation immediately (which he very well could), since we plan to be drafting high next year anyway. And many people have already been mentioning shooting for Muhammad or Noel next year. Well, they are what PJ3 was. One of the most highly touted HS players who likely would have been a top 3 pick had he been able to come straight out of HS. It may take him a little time but I think the kid will be very good.

Im sorry but what skills does PJ3 have outside of being tall and athletic? The NBA is full of tall athletic players.

He does not have a good handle.

He does not have a good jumper.

He is not a scorer.

To sum it up he doesnt have the skills to play the SF position and is not really a PF. He is a SF/PF tweener.

Quincy Miller is a way better prospect with much more upside. Miller is 6'9 - 6'10 and is actually a SF with a good handle and jumpshot. Fairly athletic to. A poor mans Kevin Durant.

I mean come on....

[Steelmatic]

Im sorry but what skills does PJ3 have outside of being tall and athletic? The NBA is full of tall athletic players.

He does not have a good handle.

He does not have a good jumper.

He is not a scorer.

He is very skinny.

To sum it up he doesnt have the skills to play the SF position and would get murdered in the paint against NBA bigs due to him being so skinny.

Quincy Miller is a way better prospect with much more upside. Miller is 6'9 - 6'10 and is actually a SF with a good handle and jumpshot. Fairly athletic to. A poor mans Kevin Durant.

I mean come on....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=4fYlN-0VaUw

[Mustachio]

For me, I want PJ3 on this team somehow someway. If we were able to get the #10 pick in exchange for taking on Ariza (preferably) or Okafor's contract, that would be the ideal way to do it, keeping our #2 pick. I'm leaning towards Robinson with our # 2 pick if we stay there but would also like if we could pull off the trade for Portland's two lottery picks.

I just think after AD this draft is full of quality talent but everyone has some question mark, which is why there is no clear cut choice at #2. I think PJ3 has the highest "potential" to be a superstar outside of AD. He has the tools/skills to be great which I know can be said of a lot of players that busted. I think his struggles stem a lot from a lack of confidence at times and listening to recent interviews I've seen, he seems to recognize that and is working on that. If our plan is to build slow through the draft and collect assets, it would seem ideal if we could get what most people feel is a solid/safe piece in Robinson and also get a potential star in the same draft. Especially if it doesn't cost us any picks. So what if he doesn't come in and live up to expectation immediately (which he very well could), since we plan to be drafting high next year anyway. And many people have already been mentioning shooting for Muhammad or Noel next year. Well, they are what PJ3 was. One of the most highly touted HS players who likely would have been a top 3 pick had he been able to come straight out of HS. It may take him a little time but I think the kid will be very good.

Welcome to the forum. I think a lot of us here are looking for the same thing out of this draft. T-rob and a sf. Id personally like Harkless.


Of the two guys you mentioned for 2013, im leaning towards Noel, looking forward to seeing him in college. Defensive freak of nature.

[SWedd523]

Your opinion is different than mine! You must be WRONG!

[DashGlobal]

Your opinion is different than mine! You must be WRONG!

Dang straight! ;)

[WAM9]

I know this has been covered but I just read again in 2 separate places that NO is willing to deal the #10 to get rid of Ariza or Okafor.

I just think this would be the absolute best deal for us. Both players only have 2 years left so they would be considered expirings after this upcoming season.

Keep the #2, draft Robinson and then get the BPA at #10. This still leaves us #31 and the addition of either Oak or Ariza.

I absolutely love this deal!

Also, if we owned #10, we might even be able to parley that into the #7 pick and get a 2nd "top target" in the draft.

[spectre]

How about this:

Chicago/Sacramento/Charlotte (http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7d6eary)

Charlotte out #2/Tyrus
Charlotte in #5/Garcia/CJ Watson/Charlotte's #1 back

Chicago out Watson/Deng/Charlotte future 1st
Chicago in Evans

Sacramento out #5/Evans/Garcia
Sacramento in #2/Deng/Tyrus

Gives us better depth at the 1 & 2, dumps Tyrus, gets our 1st back from Chicago for moving back 3 spots where one of the better prospects are still projected to fall. Garcia's last year of a 2 yr deal is a team option.

Chicago fans have a 50 something page thread on RGM and they've all pretty much accepted a Deng for Evans swap. Giving our pick back would be difficult but they are getting a lot of space for the upcoming season (> 8 million) and in the future as Evans' new deal would be negotiated under the new CBA...should be lots lower. Didn't read the entire thread but a lot seem to feel they'd need to give more than just a simple swap, so this is in line with that.

SAC takes on Tyrus but they're also getting the 1st pick of everyone outside Davis AND they're getting an all star calibre player at their greatest position of need.

[polarcat]

Just got back from a 9-day hiatus in Mexico and wow is there a LOT that has happened since I left to catch up on. I agree 100% with WAM9 and others for getting that #10 from NO. Go Robinson at #2, Harkless at #10, and then BPA at 31 to add a shooter/6th man. I would love for Melo to fall into the mid 20's and then move up with our 31 to add Fab, but I think he will be gone by #20... big men with that skill set always do. As long as we don't trade the #2 for Gay or a max player like that, because we are still at least 2-3 years away from being where we want to be. I'd much rather keep my eye on Steph Curry down the line, and if healthy, bring him home to the QC at that point after adding another top-5 pick in next year's draft.

[Chef]

How about this:

Chicago/Sacramento/Charlotte (http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7d6eary)

Charlotte out #2/Tyrus
Charlotte in #5/Garcia/CJ Watson/Charlotte's #1 back

Chicago out Watson/Deng/Charlotte future 1st
Chicago in Evans

Sacramento out #5/Evans/Garcia
Sacramento in #2/Deng/Tyrus

Gives us better depth at the 1 & 2, dumps Tyrus, gets our 1st back from Chicago for moving back 3 spots where one of the better prospects are still projected to fall. Garcia's last year of a 2 yr deal is a team option.

Chicago fans have a 50 something page thread on RGM and they've all pretty much accepted a Deng for Evans swap. Giving our pick back would be difficult but they are getting a lot of space for the upcoming season (> 8 million) and in the future as Evans' new deal would be negotiated under the new CBA...should be lots lower. Didn't read the entire thread but a lot seem to feel they'd need to give more than just a simple swap, so this is in line with that.

SAC takes on Tyrus but they're also getting the 1st pick of everyone outside Davis AND they're getting an all star calibre player at their greatest position of need.

not even close for me. i'd rather have the #2

[spectre]

not even close for me. i'd rather have the #2

Who are you that high on? Robinson?

Davis
MKG
Beal
Barnes
Robinson

Odds would be very good that we could get him anyway.

[Mustachio]

Who are you that high on? Robinson?

Davis
MKG
Beal
Barnes
Robinson

Odds would be very good that we could get him anyway.

I would definitely do it to get back the chicago pick if we could guarantee Robinson. Not likely though. He is the clear cut #2 its not even really close to me.

[spectre]

I would definitely do it to get back the chicago pick if we could guarantee Robinson. Not likely though. He is the clear cut #2 its not even really close to me.

He's my favorite but I don't think he's the clear cut #2 for all teams.

Personally I don't like using an asset to dump Tyrus anyway. We're a team with little assets and with no hope of winning short term. If it was up to me I'd just ride his contract out.

Like you tho I would really like our pick back.

[Chef]

Who are you that high on? Robinson?

Davis
MKG
Beal
Barnes
Robinson

Odds would be very good that we could get him anyway.

not that, just i think the drop off will be at 5. potential for big things: davis, drummond, t-rob, beal. good but no star potential: mkg, barnes, sullinger, lillard. other thing is, that draft pick won't be realized until 2014 at the earliest no need to push for it in a trade now. last thing, if we move the #2, i prefer it not be a salary dump. i would want a real player or asset back too.

[Plowright]

I would defo do it to get our lotto pick back. Thing is though I dont know why Chicago would trade Deng. Evans needs the ball so much to be effective and Rose will have it. Also Deng can defend anywhere, score anyway and has been playing injured all year. Not sure why Chicago would do that

[spectre]

I would defo do it to get our lotto pick back. Thing is though I dont know why Chicago would trade Deng. Evans needs the ball so much to be effective and Rose will have it. Also Deng can defend anywhere, score anyway and has been playing injured all year. Not sure why Chicago would do that

They'd be selling high.

He's been very injury prone and up til this year most were thinking he was an unmovable contract. That being said I'm sure they'd hate it.

[DashGlobal]

not that, just i think the drop off will be at 5. potential for big things: davis, drummond, t-rob, beal. good but no star potential: mkg, barnes, sullinger, lillard. other thing is, that draft pick won't be realized until 2014 at the earliest no need to push for it in a trade now. last thing, if we move the #2, i prefer it not be a salary dump. i would want a real player or asset back too.

How in the world does Beal have star potential and Lillard doesnt?

[spectre]

Saw where Alex Kennedy tweeted that Portland & Cleveland are talking about swapping their picks (6th/11th for 4th/24th) and Portland's target is Beal. If this is true/serious then I have to think 6th & 11th is in play for the 2nd overall. From what I've read Beal is a good chance at going 3rd assuming we pick Robinson...so maybe we could actually get more?

[dnbman]

Saw where Alex Kennedy tweeted that Portland & Cleveland are talking about swapping their picks (6th/11th for 4th/24th) and Portland's target is Beal. If this is true/serious then I have to think 6th & 11th is in play for the 2nd overall. From what I've read Beal is a good chance at going 3rd assuming we pick Robinson...so maybe we could actually get more?

Hmmm... you're thinking we could get Portland's picks plus some sweetener to trade? Who would you target with 6?

I'm also wondering if Portland wants Beal at that value. In other words, they may think he's worth swapping those two picks, but not enough to give up another asset.

I'm feeling less and less inclined to trade out of the top 4, hoping we can acquire another pick elsewhere.

[spectre]

Hmmm... you're thinking we could get Portland's picks plus some sweetener to trade? Who would you target with 6?

I'm also wondering if Portland wants Beal at that value. In other words, they may think he's worth swapping those two picks, but not enough to give up another asset.

I'm feeling less and less inclined to trade out of the top 4, hoping we can acquire another pick elsewhere.

I'm right there with you and I have to admit I'm wanting Robinson more and more so even swapping for the 4th is stretching it for me. I posted it more for discussion's sake as I know some want to trade down.

Definitely try and force Tyrus on them. IMO that should be where we start in all these trades.

[polarcat]

I'm right there with you and I have to admit I'm wanting Robinson more and more so even swapping for the 4th is stretching it for me. I posted it more for discussion's sake as I know some want to trade down.

Definitely try and force Tyrus on them. IMO that should be where we start in all these trades.

Agreed. Even if who we trade with doesn't want Robinson, I think the Wiz or someone else could trade into that #3 spot ahead of us if we trade down to 4 and swoop in and take TRob, leaving us having to choose between MKG or Drummond. No Thank You! Our goal should be getting that #10 from New Orleans and staying pat at #2.

[DashGlobal]

Agreed. Even if who we trade with doesn't want Robinson, I think the Wiz or someone else could trade into that #3 spot ahead of us if we trade down to 4 and swoop in and take TRob, leaving us having to choose between MKG or Drummond. No Thank You! Our goal should be getting that #10 from New Orleans and staying pat at #2.

This.

Buy and take on Ariza's contract for the 10th pick.

Then trade the 10th pick + Portlands 2013 pick to Houston for the 14th and 16th pick.

Then attempt to trade the 16th pick +Tyrus Thomas to Boston for the 21st and 22nd pick.

That would potentially give us a 2012 Draft of

2nd - Thomas Robinson

14th - Terrence Ross

21st - Quincy Miller

22nd - Fab Melo

31st - Tony Wroten

[Plowright]

I want Robinson out of everyone at #2. But I am still inclined to trade the pick if the right deal comes around, I don't think he is anything special that we can't miss out on.

[westbrook08]

I disagree.I think robinson can potentially be that special.There are no true superstars in their prime who we are gonna be offered for this pick and every other possible "star" that we could get a crack @ for a deal is probably already old,will be too old by the time we can legitimately contend,or is probably about to expire and wouldn't re-sign here with the current team we have.The grass isn't always greener on the other side.If i was cho, i might be looking to trade player's,the 31 pick, or the portland pick,to get other selections or move back in the first round.But there's not a snowball's chance in hell that i wouldn't take robinson @ 2.And we should feel lucky to have the chance to do so!

[ZackTB23]

this.

Buy and take on ariza's contract for the 10th pick.

Then trade the 10th pick + portlands 2013 pick to houston for the 14th and 16th pick.

Then attempt to trade the 16th pick +tyrus thomas to boston for the 21st and 22nd pick.

That would potentially give us a 2012 draft of

2nd - thomas robinson

14th - terrence ross

21st - quincy miller

22nd - fab melo

31st - tony wroten

yes!!! Yes!!! Yes!!! I would be the happiest person in the world!

[Plowright]

That is too many rookies, even for a rebuilding team. A coach would never want that many rookies on a team and it would not work well. I know the aim is not to win games, but getting a bunch of rookies is silly. Maybe take fournier with the 22nd and stash him for a year

[DashGlobal]

That is too many rookies, even for a rebuilding team. A coach would never want that many rookies on a team and it would not work well. I know the aim is not to win games, but getting a bunch of rookies is silly. Maybe take fournier with the 22nd and stash him for a year

Id much rather have young talented athletic guys than older NBA vets that have maxed out their potential. Until we land a super star I dont wanna win many games.

Without completely gutting our team and rebuilding from the ground up (through the draft mainly) we will continue to stay irrelevant.

It is not like we would be starting all rookies.

Id effing kill to get these players. I can see each one with the exception of Ross becoming All Stars. Im not greedy though so id be ecstatic with 3.

Thomas Robinson

Quincy Miller

Fab Melo

But dang I want Tony Wroten too! lol

Get to work Cho!

Another thing you will have to remb is these guys will not be rookies 2 - 4 years down the road when HOPEFULLY we will make a title run!

[dnbman]

That is too many rookies, even for a rebuilding team. A coach would never want that many rookies on a team and it would not work well. I know the aim is not to win games, but getting a bunch of rookies is silly. Maybe take fournier with the 22nd and stash him for a year

Normally, I'd agree with you. But we have a serious lack of talent on this squad. Depending on who the players were, I wouldn't mind getting 4-5 guys. If you take guys like Robinson, Marshall, and Royce White-- guys who seem to be pretty mature and have their heads on right, anxiety issues aside-- I think you're o.k. You'd definitely want high quality character guys to do something like that, though, and not just a bunch of cocky young guys who might take some time to transition to the grown men's league.

Still, it is worth considering that you'd have a third of your roster as brand new players. That is a LOT of rookies. You'd want to know what you were getting into before you subjected your other young players to that.

[polarcat]

I'm really excited to see Cho flex his magic this offseason. I know last year was his first year with us, and he did snag us two top-10 picks in the draft and they're looking promising. I think he is more comfortable, his blueprint is more evident and his vision is clear. I think we can walk away from this draft with Robinson at 2, move to #10 and get Harkless/Lillard/Ross and then trade again into the late 1st to get Wroten/Q.Miller/J.Taylor. I think three draftees out of the top 31 in this draft will be okay for where our team is. I would heart a line-up going into this season of....

Kemba/Wroten ................ or ................ Kemba/Lillard
Henderson/Reggie ........... or ................. Henderson/Reggie
Ariza/Harkless .............. or ................. Ariza/Q.Miller
Robinson/Tyrus ............... or ................ Robinson/Tyrus
Biyombo/Mullens .............. or ................ Biyombo/Mullens

[DashGlobal]

I'm really excited to see Cho flex his magic this offseason. I know last year was his first year with us, and he did snag us two top-10 picks in the draft and they're looking promising. I think he is more comfortable, his blueprint is more evident and his vision is clear. I think we can walk away from this draft with Robinson at 2, move to #10 and get Harkless/Lillard/Ross and then trade again into the late 1st to get Wroten/Q.Miller/J.Taylor. I think three draftees out of the top 31 in this draft will be okay for where our team is. I would heart a line-up going into this season of....

Kemba/Wroten ................ or ................ Kemba/Lillard
Henderson/Reggie ........... or ................. Henderson/Reggie
Ariza/Harkless .............. or ................. Ariza/Q.Miller
Robinson/Tyrus ............... or ................ Robinson/Tyrus
Biyombo/Mullens .............. or ................ Biyombo/Mullens

We need a true defensive tall C.

Fab Melo fits the bill nicely and can be had late.

[WAM9]

We need a true defensive tall C.

Where are you going to find a true defensive center with longer than a 7'5'' reach?

Oh, wait, that's right...we already have him on the roster.

Why would we need another one and duplicate the best player on our roster?

[superb1]

Espn ran this idea, Im not too keen of it though

3. Minnesota Timberwolves trade F Derrick Williams and the No. 18 pick to the Charlotte Bobcats for the No. 2 pick.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draft2012/story/_/id/8046804/2012-nba-draft-tyreke-evans-no-5-pick-joakim-noah-other-trade-ideas

[SWedd523]

No thank you

[gamecocksmitty4]

I wouldn't even consider it unless they take TT's contract with them.

[DashGlobal]

Where are you going to find a true defensive center with longer than a 7'5'' reach?

Oh, wait, that's right...we already have him on the roster.

Why would we need another one and duplicate the best player on our roster?

6'9 vs 7'0

Our paint would be locked down with Biz and Melo.

[Mustachio]

6'9 vs 7'0

Our paint would be locked down with Biz and Melo.


ehhh, 7'0 isn't that big of a deal. Bismack has a longer wingspan, and a higher standing reach. Effectively, Bismack is taller.

[WAM9]

ehhh, 7'0 isn't that big of a deal. Bismack has a longer wingspan, and a higher standing reach. Effectively, Bismack is taller.


^^^^ This. I would much, much prefer a Biz-Robinson front court to a Melo-Biz front court...No question.

I am not even sold 100% that Fab Melo is a starting level C in the NBA.

[DashGlobal]

ehhh, 7'0 isn't that big of a deal. Bismack has a longer wingspan, and a higher standing reach. Effectively, Bismack is taller.

He isnt taller though and Fab will look more imposing on the court. Regardless if his standing reach is longer or not.

I think Biz can play C, but Id rather have a 7 fter there and let Biz play PF.

Good luck to anyone driving the lane with those 2 down low....

Only down size is not much in the way of low post scoring, but I would take great rebounding and defense over low post scoring any day of the week.

[WAM9]

He isnt taller though and Fab will look more imposing on the court. Regardless if his standing reach is longer or not.

I think Biz can play C, but Id rather have a 7 fter there and let Biz play PF.

Good luck to anyone driving the lane with those 2 down low....

I said it on another thread so I hate to be repetitive but in basketball, heigth is one of the most over-rated stats in the game.

[DashGlobal]

^^^^ This. I would much, much prefer a Biz-Robinson front court to a Melo-Biz front court...No question.

I am not even sold 100% that Fab Melo is a starting level C in the NBA.

Why not just get Fab and Robinson? We could do it with the right moves...

Melo blocked 3 shots a game essentially playing half the game. Dude was a presence in the paint. He has put in a lot of work to get in better shape and condition his body. I think he is gonna be a fine nba player.

[WAM9]

Why not just get Fab and Robinson? We could do it with the right moves...

Melo blocked 3 shots a game essentially playing half the game. Dude was a presence in the paint. He has put in a lot of work to get in better shape and condition his body. I think he is gonna be a fine nba player.

Biz has already proved to me that he can block shots at that same pace at the NBA level.

Biz doesn't need to "work to get in better shape" or worry about his conditioning at all.

I'll take Biz in the middle over Melo 10 times out of 10.

[DashGlobal]

Biz has already proved to me that he can block shots at that same pace at the NBA level.

Biz doesn't need to "work to get in better shape" or worry about his conditioning at all.

I'll take Biz in the middle over Melo 10 times out of 10.

Two elite shot-blockers are better than one...

Outside of Biz we have nothing in the post. Would be foolish to not want a young player like Melo.

[spectre]

Did we discuss #2 & Henderson for #5 & Tyreke Evans? Someone just posted it on RGM's trade board and I think I'd be hard put to deny that the value ain't bad. Evans could be a risk but he has looked to be a beast.

[Scrapper1]

Did we discuss #2 & Henderson for #5 & Tyreke Evans? Someone just posted it on RGM's trade board and I think I'd be hard put to deny that the value ain't bad. Evans could be a risk but he has looked to be a beast.

Even though their 2011-12 stats are basically similar? Im not big on Henderson but, they are almost equally productive AND we gotta give a higher pick...and Evans cost more too.

[gamecocksmitty4]

Take on TT's contract and we have a deal.

[ZackTB23]

Hello everyone. I just wanted to pass along a quick trade idea I came up with. Not sure how bad or good it is, but anyway here it is...

New Orleans Trades: #10, Trevor Ariza, Xavier Henry
Charlotte Trades: Gerald Henderson, Corey Maggette, #31, Portlands 2013 pick

At #2 draft T-Rob and at #10 draft Terrence Ross. Then sign Antawn Jamison

C: Bismack Biyombo, Byron Mullens, Gana Diop
PF: Thomas Robinson, Antawn Jamison
SF: Trevor Ariza, Derrick Brown, Reggie Williams
SG: Terrence Ross, Xavier Henry, Matt Carroll
PG: Kemba Walker, Veteran PG

[Chef]

Hello everyone. I just wanted to pass along a quick trade idea I came up with. Not sure how bad or good it is, but anyway here it is...

New Orleans Trades: #10, Trevor Ariza, Xavier Henry
Charlotte Trades: Gerald Henderson, Corey Maggette, #31, Portlands 2013 pick

At #2 draft T-Rob and at #10 draft Terrence Ross. Then sign Antawn Jamison

C: Bismack Biyombo, Byron Mullens, Gana Diop
PF: Thomas Robinson, Antawn Jamison
SF: Trevor Ariza, Derrick Brown, Reggie Williams
SG: Terrence Ross, Xavier Henry, Matt Carroll
PG: Kemba Walker, Veteran PG

won't work. they are about to max out eric gordon at sg. no need for hendo. can't trade dj either. that leaves either kemba, biz or mulley as attractive pieces. biz is a no. kemba is a hot topic, but let's just say based on management's comments kemba won't be dealt for #10 if we also have to take back a bad contract.

my guess is it would have to be #10, mek and hope for henry for mags, mulley, #31 but more likely portland's pick (projected terrible draft, this draft is strong)

i wouldn't flip shit if it was #10, mek and henry for mags mulley and 31

[spectre]

#2 for Horford?

[msm9785]

Bobcats get: D. Williams, #6, #11
TWolves get: W. Matthews, T. Thomas, #2
Blazers get: Augustine, Pekovic, #18

[gamecocksmitty4]

Definitely.

[dnbman]

Bobcats get: D. Williams, #6, #11
TWolves get: W. Matthews, T. Thomas, #2
Blazers get: Augustine, Pekovic, #18

We can't trade DJ. That would definitely be an amazing deal for us, but I don't think it's going to happen.

[Plowright]

It's not bad I will give you that. Only thing I think is that Portland would prefer to have their two picks and not lose Wes Matthews. They could get Lillard at 6 who has way more upside that Augustin and Leonard who also has more upside that Pekovic

[superb1]

It's not bad I will give you that. Only thing I think is that Portland would prefer to have their two picks and not lose Wes Matthews. They could get Lillard at 6 who has way more upside that Augustin and Leonard who also has more upside that Pekovic

I think Portland will be on the losing side of this deal.

[SWedd523]

merged your trade idea thread into the trade ideas thread

[Plowright]

I like Williams and 18 for 2, I think thats a good deal. Williams can do it all and is very athletic. Also with 18 we could get someone like Terrance Ross, Perry Jones or Moe Harkless.

[ND22]

James Harden anyone?

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/eye-on-basketball/19352135/charlotte-looking-to-deal-no-2-pick

He's probably the best 6th man EVER (kidding) but what kind of starter would he make for us?

[spectre]

James Harden anyone?

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/eye-on-basketball/19352135/charlotte-looking-to-deal-no-2-pick

He's probably the best 6th man EVER (kidding) but what kind of starter would he make for us?

I just saw that.

He'd be our best player out the gate easily. He's about to get paid and he'll most likely get offers. If we're willing to offer the max then I'd do it; if not then we need to leave him alone.

[Plowright]

I think a lot of people on here would bite your hand off for Harden, but he would be an expensive investment. We will have to give him a max contract next summer if we wanted to keep him. If he didnt choose us in FA it would be a massive waste of a pick. On the other hand, that guy can seriously play and has a great beard.

Thunder have $55 million in cap commits on what looks to be a salary cap of $60 million and a tax threshold north of $70-$72 million, meaning they should have roughly $17 million to offer both guys BEFORE hitting the tax line and before they do anything else with the roster… keeping the band together is not going to be an issue if they want to.

If Thunder have a situation that works… why mess with that?

[spectre]

It'd be a major kick in the nuts if we traded for him and he rejected a max offer as an RFA after giving up the #2.

[Scrapper1]

Derrick Williams 2011-12 stats:

PPG-8.8
RPG-4.70
APG-0.6

you wanna trade a #2 pick (in an excellent draft)for him? Whos a 6'8 pf? With only four 20 point games for the year? With only four 10 rebound games this year? The man is not that good. He is a PF that shoots 40%.. Why are yall so high on him?!

[dnbman]

It'd be a major kick in the nuts if we traded for him and he rejected a max offer as an RFA after giving up the #2.

Especially since we could go after him next year with the same max contract AND the player with the draft with the #2.

Doesn't make sense to me other than acquiring his Bird Rights.

[Plowright]

Derrick Williams 2011-12 stats:

PPG-8.8
RPG-4.70
APG-0.6

you wanna trade a #2 pick (in an excellent draft)for him? Whos a 6'8 pf? With only four 20 point games for the year? With only four 10 rebound games this year? The man is not that good. He is a PF that shoots 40%.. Why are yall so high on him?!

Sorry but got to disagree with you, it is silly to look at his numbers and throw him out for that reason.. You cannot just look at numbers all the time and be so narrow minded, the game is not played on paper. I can understand people not liking the trade, but not for that reason.

Lets look at LaMarcus Aldridge's numbers as a rookie 22mpg/ 9points / 5 rebounds / 0.4 assists. They are EXACTLY like Derrick Williams and Aldridge is an absolute success.

[SWedd523]

I'd only make that trade for Harden if it were possible to get him to sign an extension as part of the trade.

There is also no way I'd trade the two for Williams. People are complaining about Robinson's size yet Williams is even smaller.

[Plowright]

Williams can play some 3 though where as Robinson is more strictly a 4

[SWedd523]

"Some" three? As in he's not big enough for the 4 and not skilled enough for the 4? Yeah no thanks.

3-4 tweeners rarely work out and I'd rather go with Robinson if we want a 4, or MKG/Barnes/Harkless if we want a 3.

[dnbman]

"Some" three? As in he's not big enough for the 4 and not skilled enough for the 4? Yeah no thanks.

3-4 tweeners rarely work out and I'd rather go with Robinson if we want a 4, or MKG/Barnes/Harkless if we want a 3.

yeahthat.

sauce.

[Plowright]

Well I think he is more than capable of playing either, I wouldnt say he was a tweener as much as he can play multiple positions. He has very very good athleticism which makes up for his lack of size. Also, if you want a 3 in Harkless we could get that with the 18th pick so we could get both

[Scrapper1]

There is also no way I'd trade the two for Williams. People are complaining about Robinson's size yet Williams is even smaller.

AGREE! Williams also lacks the strength, skill set in the paint, defensive presence and motor that Robinson AND Gilchrist has. Williams had huge minutes as Love sat out, Beasley too.. he cant excell at the 3 or 4 cause he is a tweener. A poor mans Michael Beasley.. bottom line... he is lazy most of the time. I respect the other guys opinion, but.. i wouldnt even trade the Bobcats #31 pick for him.. so why the hell would they trade the #2? All these opportunities out here and he stressing over Derrick Williams..sheesh

[SWedd523]

Whoa now I wouldn't go that far. I'd definitely trade the #31 for him and would consider it if we had a lower lottery pick. I just wouldn't do it for #2.

He has talent and is a great athlete. If put in the right situation I think he could succeed.

[DashGlobal]

What is our most realistic trade possibility?

I am thinking 2 for Portlands 6 and 11. Then buy a mid 1st (Dallas?).

Id be one happy camper.

I still want Boston's picks! lol

Come on Cho! My draft hopes on resting on you!

[CharlotteHornets]

If you are the Charlotte Bobcats would you TRADE:

The #2 Overall Pick & Gerald Henderson

to

Oklahoma City for James Harden & Serge Ibaka.

Then take on the Brendan Haywood contract from the Dallas Mavericks in exchange for acquiring the #17 Pick from Dallas. With the #17 Pick choose Moe Harkless.

With the #31 Pick choose Tony Wroten.

Then you have a lineup that looks like:

PG: Kemba Walker / Tony Wroten
SG: James Harden / Reggie Williams
SF: Corey Maggette / Moe Harkless
PF: Serge Ibaka / Tyrus Thomas
C: Bismack Biyombo / Byron Mullens

I think OKC might consider that deal because it will be difficult for them to resign both James Harden and Serge Ibaka. Also, they would get the #2 Overall Pick where they could draft a true low post player like Thomas Robinson. He would give them also be great in the pick & roll with Westbrook. Also, with Gerald Henderson they will get a great peremiter defender and someone who plays well off the ball on offense. With Westbrook, Harden, and Durant the Thunder have to many players who NEED the ball in there hand.

Just a crazy thought....

[ammofan]

I'd probably do this.

[Ezell]

I think getting Harden is somewhat realistic but i doubt they would throw in Serge also.....Maybe would use us to shed Perk's contract idk im no trade or cap expert though.

[CharlotteHornets]

I think getting Harden is somewhat realistic but i doubt they would throw in Serge also.....Maybe would use us to shed Perk's contract idk im no trade or cap expert though.

I think they would trade Serge Ibaka for Thomas Robinson....

[Ezell]

WITH James Harden? Because i could care less about Ibaka I want Harden lol

[BETCATS]

2 out of 4 of the top talent on the western conference champs for a rotation player and a rookie with potential all star written all over him? I still don't think it is enough for OKC to consider it. They will pay tax to keep their core.

[CharlotteHornets]

WITH James Harden? Because i could care less about Ibaka I want Harden lol

well you wouldn't trade the #2 Pick for just Harden...you need to get a big somewhere with that exchange in my opinion...I like Ibaka more than Perkins

[Ezell]

These last two finals games makes me have less of a Hard on for Harden... corny pun intended.

[Black]

OKC wouldn't do it. I think one of those players will be gone within the next year or so, but not both. Plus, Ibaka and Bismack are virtually identical. That would be an offensively inept starting front-court.

[Whiz Kid]

OKC wouldn't do it. I think one of those players will be gone within the next year or so, but not both. Plus, Ibaka and Bismack are virtually identical. That would be an offensively inept starting front-court.

Ibaka has grown supremely offensively. He has a really solid mid-range game and is ok in the post.

[Ezell]

I also think if they Amnesty Perk Retaining both shouldent be impossible.... Id still love Harden though.
With Ibaka we would atleast corner the vasy Congo market? Even though Ibaka is aparently Spanish now lol

[The Prodigy]

Not huge on Harden tbh.

First of all, who says we cant get a player better than him with our pick? Cheaper too.

Also, Harden gets a lot of clean looks because of Durant and Westbrook. Not sure how great he would be as the number one option on our team. Im sure he would still be a very good player, but not nearly what you see in OKC.

[fallen xxi]

If that did go down...that team could honestly make some noise...depending on Kemba's play.

[Steelmatic]

I agree. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to have Harden at the right price but he's not the player I want to build around and not worth max money. I think he's gonna be a RFA and we'd likely have to overpay to keep him. I don't think he is a #1 option on a Championship team. In fact, I believe he is what he is, the # 3 option on a potential Championship team. He's struggled a bit in these finals too. He's still a very good piece but only at the right price.

[Ezell]

I do believe just by the rule of probability and the vast amount of GOOD talent in this draft,SOMEBODY is better than Harden and is a franchise changer i just dont know who.
I do know one thing though... I believe and trust in Cho and without him id be in full on panic mode lol.

[fallen xxi]

I do believe just by the rule of probability and the vast amount of GOOD talent in this draft,SOMEBODY is better than Harden and is a franchise changer i just dont know who.
I do know one thing though... I believe and trust in Cho and without him id be in full on panic mode lol.

I don't think we know Harden's true potential and whether or not he can be a "go to guy". I honestly don't think he's been used right in OKC at all.

[Ezell]

I agree that OKC hasent utilized him completely.
To me at this point he is pretty much a clone of Ginobli which could be good or bad depending on how you look at it.:g:

[westbrook08]

I doubt okc would trade harden alone for the 2 pick and henderson.Mike could throw in his fiancee in the deal too and i guarantee ibaka would still not be included!

[Plowright]

OKC would hang up on you straight away and tell that trade offer as a joke at the annual GM meeting

[Chef]

trade thread

[CharlotteHornets]

With the Wizards trading for Emeka Okafor and Trevor Ariza I believe it is obvious that the Wizards want will now be picking Bradley Beal. That makes the #2 Overall Pick much more valuable for the Bobcats. The Cats need to figure out a good way to use that leverage. I have one idea:

Trade the #2 Pick to the Wizards in exchange for the #3 Pick, #32 Pick & Chris Singleton. Use the Shaun Livingston trade exception to bring in Singleton. The Bobcats would still be able to get Thomas Robinson at #3 and acquire another draft pick plus Chris Singleton who is a great defender and great athlete at the SF position.

What do you think?

[SWedd523]

I think you should put your trade idea in the trade ideas thread.

[SWedd523]

Seriously. This one is nowhere near plausible and belongs in the dedicated trade ideas thread.

[CharlotteHornets]

Seriously. This one is nowhere near plausible and belongs in the dedicated trade ideas thread.

out of interest what makes it completely unplausible?

[SWedd523]

You think they can't afford to keep both, so they'll trade both?

Not going to happen. They wouldn't even trade Harden for the #2, much less add their best post defender.

[CharlotteHornets]

You think they can't afford to keep both, so they'll trade both?

Not going to happen. They wouldn't even trade Harden for the #2, much less add their best post defender.

With the Wizards trading for Emeka Okafor and Trevor Ariza I believe it is obvious that the Wizards want will now be picking Bradley Beal. That makes the #2 Overall Pick much more valuable for the Bobcats. The Cats need to figure out a good way to use that leverage. I have one idea:

Trade the #2 Pick to the Wizards in exchange for the #3 Pick, #32 Pick & Chris Singleton. Use the Shaun Livingston trade exception to bring in Singleton. The Bobcats would still be able to get Thomas Robinson at #3 and acquire another draft pick plus Chris Singleton who is a great defender and great athlete at the SF position. The Wizards would be insuring that they got the player they want, Beal, and that we did not trade #2 to another team.

This was the scenario I was referring to that I just posted...I thought you were talking about this one as not plausible...

[Chef]

rather have the cavs picks stay at 4 and still get trob. only way i talk with wash is if they take TT.

[CharlotteHornets]

Wizards would never take on T.T. and I don't think the CAVS will give up #4 and #24 because they will get the player they want at #4...but I think the deal I proposed is fair for both teams...

[Chef]

Wizards would never take on T.T. and I don't think the CAVS will give up #4 and #24 because they will get the player they want at #4...but I think the deal I proposed is fair for both teams...

if they want beal bad enough they will, if they don't they won't trade period

[CharlotteHornets]

if they want beal bad enough they will, if they don't they won't trade period

it is actually a mathematical impossibility with there CAP now for them to take on T.T. and they do want Beal very very bad...

The Wizards made the first big trade of the offseason, sending Rashard Lewis and the 46th pick to New Orleans for Emeka Okafor and Trevor Ariza. With the deal, the Wizards essentially upgraded their front court -- Okafor will likely be their starting 5, Nene their starting 4 and Ariza their starting 3.

With John Wall running the point, that leaves them with one big hole at the 2. I think this makes Bradley Beal a no-brainer for the Wizards, who are lacking a lights-out perimeter shooter. He's a perfect fit for this new roster.

[adam187]

would anybody trade pick #2 for Greg Monroe?

[spectre]

would anybody trade pick #2 for Greg Monroe?

I probably would. Kid is a beast offensively.

[adam187]

I probably would. Kid is a beast offensively.

i would too, but that's why i think the pistons wouldn't. sigh.

[MGH1989]

There is no reason why the team shouldn't trade the #2 pick to CLE for the 4th and whatever their pick in the 20's is if our target is T-Rob or Barnes. Beal is pretty much a lock at 3, might as well get extra pics and still get our guy.

[dnbman]

There is no reason why the team shouldn't trade the #2 pick to CLE for the 4th and whatever their pick in the 20's is if our target is T-Rob or Barnes. Beal is pretty much a lock at 3, might as well get extra pics and still get our guy.

It just depends on how the Bobcats rate the talent. If they value one guy a lot more than the others, then maybe not trade. If it's pretty similar, you definitely take that trade.

[SWedd523]

.... And there's no telling if Cleveland would accept that offer. Just because it makes sense to us doesn't mean they like it as well

[SJackson1]

how about getting Batum on a free agent ?

[westbrook08]

I just don't like the idea of the cleveland trade.I think it's very possible washington would take robinson @ 3.Trevor ariza was pretty good with the lakers,and might have just been a bad fit in new orleans.And if washington had the chance to get t-rob,with beal gone,i don't think they would be heartbroken to move to move jan veasley or kevin seraphin if they thought they were getting a potential all-star.Plus he's a hometown kid.Too risky! And yes, nick batum should be our #1 target in free agency.We have the money to front load his contract and steal him from portland.He would be a great fit for us!

[SJackson1]

I just don't like the idea of the cleveland trade.I think it's very possible washington would take robinson @ 3.Trevor ariza was pretty good with the lakers,and might have just been a bad fit in new orleans.And if washington had the chance to get t-rob,with beal gone,i don't think they would be heartbroken to move to move jan veasley or kevin seraphin if they thought they were getting a potential all-star.Plus he's a hometown kid.Too risky! And yes, nick batum should be our #1 target in free agency.We have the money to front load his contract and steal him from portland.He would be a great fit for us!

if we got TRob for the 2nd pick and then got Batum on free agency we would have a very young talented starting linrup:

Walker
Henderson
Biyombo
Robinson
Batum

[spectre]

Batum is going to get so overpaid and hopefully not by us. At say 8 million or so he'd be an awesome acquisition but I figure he'll get at least 2-3 million more than that.

[westbrook08]

He's probably going to command around 10 mil a year.But as i said before i would have any problem giving him 12 and front loading the hell out of it.We've got money to spend and we're not going to be in a poisition to go after a max player for awhile.So as long as we front load it and make it a lower number once it's time to re-up some of our other guys,who cares? It's a move this franchise needs to make.It would give us a great young core,batum is still getting better and if we happened to land shabazz muhammed next year as well,the whole league would be on notice!

[spectre]

Actually we don't have that much money next year unless we amnesty someone. I did the math a week or so ago so I'm only gonna guesstimate now...something like 46-47 with the #2 pick signed, and that's with like 10 players.

At this stage wouldn't you be worried about falling right back into mediocrity signing a Crash like guy to a retail deal?

[dnbman]

Actually we don't have that much money next year unless we amnesty someone. I did the math a week or so ago so I'm only gonna guesstimate now...something like 46-47 with the #2 pick signed, and that's with like 10 players. By next year, you mean 12-13 season right?

[spectre]

Yup. Assuming we're smart it gets a LOT better the next offseason.

[westbrook08]

I don't think batum is a crash like player @ all.He was very young and raw when he came in the league and he is rapidly getting better.He's already a better shooter when he's on than gerald ever has been.His has total star potential.I would love for dunlap to get his hands on this kid.I don't care if we have to use the amnesty clause.We should go after him with guns blazing!

[BlockParty]

how about getting Batum on a free agent ?

Batum is being resigned in Portland.

They gave him the low QO because that's all they have to do, they'll match any offer that hits the table, they decided that when they traded Wallace out on trade-deadline day. Signing Batum to an offer sheet this offseason only does him and his agent a favor (increasing what Portland has to match) and ties up our cap space while that process clears.

[Chevalier au Lion]

what about this?

Wizards gets #2 and Tyrus and Bobcats #4 and Ariza and a future 2º round.

[spectre]

Ariza is a better player but he's not the better I'm looking for (too old for one). Plus we're only losing 1 year/7 million.

I'd pass on that...which pretty much kills any player/player trade as they have no capspace as we're still going off 2012 salary til July 1st unless I'm mistaken.

Next year's 1st top 5 protected? Figure they just miss the playoffs or sneak in that's around 12-16. That'd probably have to be in there for me to consider it.

[Chef]

what about this?

Wizards gets #2 and Tyrus and Bobcats #4 and Ariza and a future 2º round.

i would make the wiz amnesty blatche and take tyrus straight

[ALong13]

So we are about to lose Augustin...the clippers want Lamar Odom from the Mavs, but need someone to take Mo Williams 8.5M expiring contract...

My question is this...would you guys be willing to take Williams' expiring contract if we could get a first round pick back? Say Clippers' 2013 pick? Just saw they needed a third team, we have the cap space. We're losing a PG and this gives us a veteran guy behind Kemba, and his salary comes off at the end of the season.

Then if everything goes right we could have our first next year, Detroit's first next year, Portland's first next year, and Clippers' first. Even if that doesn't work out we could have 2 first each of the next two years. Certainly a Cho like move in building up first round picks. Don't forget if we trade with Cleveland we'll have had two picks last year, this year, and possibly two picks the next two years...8 first rounders in four years is quite a rebuiliding effort.

[SWedd523]

^ only if they take Tyrus or Diop as part of the deal

[kitch0202]

^ only if they take Tyrus or Diop as part of the deal

If Cho can swing it so that we get rid of Tyrus and still end up with Robinson or Beal I'd be ecstatic. Failing that, Tyrus gone and Jeremy Lamb or Andre Drummond in would be really good. Tyrus gone and Meyers Leonard, Terrence Ross or Moe Harkless in would be borderline acceptable.

Cheers,

Kitch.

[Chevalier au Lion]

Take expiring Mo Williams for 8.5 Millons but if we receive the Dallas #17 and future 1º round of Clippers.

In this case, we can trade Mo before de deadline (good PG, expiring for several months) and get something good.

[NiceKrispy]

Ugh, I just want to go to sleep and hope we have accomplished something besides a community service surprise visit.

[BountyHunter]

Rick Bonnell‏@rick_bonnell (http://www.bobcatsplanet.com/rick_bonnell)
OJ Mayo not getting a qualifying offer (and likely Michael Beasley same) says new NBA CBA starting to work. Teams making hard choices.
Now there's a couple of names I could get behind.

Thoughts?

[Whiz Kid]

If there's a possibility of getting both Mayo and Beasley, I'd be ecstatic. I'd go for either.

[Black]

Not interested in either. We just drafted two small forwards, and traded for a Mayo-like shooting guard.

[amour217]

From what I've been reading, Boston's really interested in Tropicana Hellman's, and I don't think we need him now that we've got Hendo and Gordo...and Beasley is quite a bit of a headcase, I'd be mortified to have him in the same lockerroom as Tyrus Thomas. It's amazing how far he's fallen...

[Whiz Kid]

Beasley will thrive if he's in the right situation. Plus he can play the 3 or 4.

[Mustachio]

Id be fine if we grabbed either. But I don't believe its part of the plan. The Bobcats have no interest in being considerably better this year. We are still lottery chasing at this point, and I think drafting MKG signaled that. You want to get better now you take Trob, you got time to wait, MKG.

[Proudiddy]

I've been a Mayo fan since his high school days. Would like to bring him in but that would mean someone else would have to go. Then again, he can play the 1 and/or 2, like BG, but we might be letting DJ walk.

[BountyHunter]

I've been a Mayo fan since his high school days. Would like to bring him in but that would mean someone else would have to go. Then again, he can play the 1 and/or 2, like BG, but we might be letting DJ walk.

I think DJ's gone for sure. Cho has said all along that he's looking to get bigger in the back court. Mayo makes a lot of sense, if that's the case. As long as it's a reasonable contract for a short period of time, I'm ok with it.

[Proudiddy]

I think DJ's gone for sure. Cho has said all along that he's looking to get bigger in the back court. Mayo makes a lot of sense, if that's the case. As long as it's a reasonable contract for a short period of time, I'm ok with it.

Completely agreed. A Mayo/Hendo backcourt with BG backing up both positions would be awesome.

[Black]

Are the Mayo supporters prepared to offer him 5 years/40 million?

[ammofan]

Are the Mayo supporters prepared to offer him 5 years/40 million?

I wouldn't be opposed to that if we amnesty Tyrus.

[Black]

I wouldn't be opposed to that if we amnesty Tyrus.

Huge if. I've said it before, and I'll say it again: Jordan isn't eating that deal.

[BountyHunter]

Are the Mayo supporters prepared to offer him 5 years/40 million?

With the new CBA and the luxury tax rules that come with it, I don't see anyone giving him that much money. There's not enough cap space out there to support ALL the UFA's that are out there. This new deal will create a buyer's market that will restrict the ridiculous amount of money and years that we have seen in past contracts. IMHO

Of course, on the other hand, that's what makes TT's deal so hard to move. No one wants to or can take on that kind of money for a marginal player.

[ohara831]

Given how thin we are at PF, I would consider Beasley. He may be able to handle some PF for Charlotte. Depends on the price. Remember that we took a shot on Kwame and allowed him a chance to reclaim his name on the court. I could see us doing the same with Beasley.

[Chef]

i already hate this thread. hold the mayo, hold the chucking sf unless they are under 4 million a piece which they won't be. i have no interest in building a 6th seed.

[Black]

Speaking or Kwame, that's someone I'd love to bring back. Hopefully getting that absurd payday from Golden State doesn't make him think he's worth more than he is.

[GoBobs]

I would say pass on both these guys. Better to develop our young guys and have a shot at a better draft pick. Mayo, maybe if he is really cheap on a short term deal but that won't happen. Wouldn't take Beasly if he came with a draft pick.

[Kemba2Hendo]

I hope we get Jamison and maybe sign Lester Hudson and move on.

[iowabobcat]

I would really like the Bobcats to go after Antwan Jamison, Ian Mahinmi, Jordan Farmar.

[Kemba2Hendo]

Completely agreed. A Mayo/Hendo backcourt with BG backing up both positions would be awesome.

And what is Kemba going to do rot on the bench??

[SWedd523]

Beasley is a bum and made his teams worse the more minutes he got. He's also nowhere near the type of player Cho is going to bring around. Bismack... Kemba... MKG... yeah, no chance.

I've liked Mayo, but it seems he's peaked his rookie year and has been downhill since. There is no way I'd offer him $8mil per but if he came around that 4-5 range then sure. He doesn't really seem like a Cho type of guy either though.

[BlockParty]

Blazers didn't offer QO to JJ Hickson, not sure of his numbers, guessing $4M based off this tweet.


@johnhollinger
More like 2.5-3 for me. RT @EricElizondo8 do you think JJ Hickson is worth 4mill?

Based on that, 3.5M??...Hickson was very productive with the Blazers last year in Aldridge's absence, LaMarcus has refused to play Center and they figure they can get another PF for less.

[ohara831]

I can see JJ being given a chance with Charlotte, if the money is right. Still a young player who can bloom into something pretty good. Not great, but good.

[ziggy]

Are the Mayo supporters prepared to offer him 5 years/40 million?

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Not for that amount of cash. I like Mayo ( the shooting guard, not the condiment ) but that's just too much to commit to a player like him.

[Proudiddy]

And what is Kemba going to do rot on the bench??

Damn. That was probably my dumbest post ever, lol... And I'm a Kemba guy.

That makes it much harder to see us bringing on Mayo regardless, unless we let go of Hendo. I mean, we could still bring Mayo in, but I doubt he wants to be in a 4 guard rotation.

[Black]

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Not for that amount of cash. I like Mayo ( the shooting guard, not the condiment ) but that's just too much to commit to a player like him.

I read the Grizzlies expect him to be offered more annually than the qualifying offer, and that's about 7.5 million. Not worth that kind of money at all.

[westbrook08]

I don't want either The one thing i like is that we have brought in guys like biz,kemba,hendo,gordon,and mkg,that are all humble,hard woking,coachable,team first guys.I think we're gonna end up with a very strong locker room here and i don't want any super ego childish me first guys like mayo or beasley anywhere near this team.If we bring in any vets this year,i want them to be good leaders and positive role models like jamison or miller.

[BETCATS]

We need a pure power forward to replace DJ White and a pass first point guard to replace DJ Augustin. Not a shooting guard and a combo forward.
No on both unless we trade Hendo.

[Scottley Crue]

Blazers didn't offer QO to JJ Hickson, not sure of his numbers, guessing $4M based off this tweet.



Based on that, 3.5M??...Hickson was very productive with the Blazers last year in Aldridge's absence, LaMarcus has refused to play Center and they figure they can get another PF for less.

I could see him getting a shot here, and I'd like that very much. I think he'd be a good value and would offer good production at the PF spot. Hopefully this is one the FO can get done.

Along the lines of going after vets like Jamison...If the Mavs amnesty Brendan Haywood, I think he also might come at a decent price. He'd be a nice backup option and would be another vet to help the young guys. Just an idea for some vets for the young guys.