The Rumor Mill has begun!!!!!!!!!

[mrtarheel]

http://www.hoopsworld.com/nba-sunday-can-robinson-save-the-bobcats.

I want Drummond, if we can trade down letting them take Robinson or Beal and still get Drummond, I would do it.

[Black]

I wouldn't. Not for 4 and 24 anyway.

EDIT: If they REALLY want the pick, they can throw in next years pick. Then we'll talk.

[Scottley Crue]

Like the article says, unless an All-Star is coming back our way (and a young one on a nice contract at that, so no chance) we need not trade this pick for lower ones. I believe Robinson's a keeper and there would need to be a considerable amount coming back for me to part with him.

[cltblkhscoach]

Hmmm.... would we consider the 4, 24, and Tristan Thompson for #2? I don't see anything else on their roster I'd want outside of Kyrie Irving. Maybe Varejao but I don't know his contract situation....

[TattoodCats4life]

If Cleveland wants #2 I'd say 4, 24, 33, swap picks or second rounder next year, and carrot top, for #2, and TT :) (TT and Varejao are on very similar contracts, I know who I want for the same money).

[skratch]

Id be satisfied with Robinson if hes a legit 6'10, if hes under then no but honestly trading for the 4th & 24th isnt bad imo because either way drummond or Robinson more then likely still be there

*just noticed bismack & Trob #'s are 0

[Brad]

The Portland trade, which was mentioned on ESPN, makes the most sense for the bobcats. Moving down to 6 and 11 for the #2 makes a ton of sense. At 6, they may be able to snag Drummond, but should be able to get a guys like Harrison Barnes or Bradley Beal there. At 11, depending on who they take at 6, they could take Zeller, Myers Leonard or maybe even Fab Melo, or if they get Drummond, a guy like Perry Jones, Terrence Jones, Sullinger, or Austin Rivers.

Rumor has Portland being enamored with MKG. Let's hope so.

[fallen xxi]

I want Robinson here. In my opinion, do not trade that pick. He's got a game like Blake Griffin but with a better jumpshot and a solid NBA body. The ceiling is very high for this kid. But most of all, he's got heart and a fantastic story. He's got a lot of motivation to succeed. He's a 2nd pick in the draft talent. Just because we don't get the 1st pick doesn't mean we say "oh fuck it" and just drop down and take fucking Harrison Barnes. I want this kid.

In my opinion, amnesty Tyrus and draft Robinson.

[Brad]

Thanks for posting that Robinson video. that's the kind of guy that you want on your team -- a guy that has something to play for.

[SJackson1]

Robinson is the real deal, a walking double - double !

[fallen xxi]

I'd way rather take him now and build around him then gather resources. I think he's worth it. It's not like we're going to be so much better with him that we won't be in position for the first pick next year.

[JGib23]

I would do it- if we are planning on drafting TRob because I think he will still be there at 4.

Washington is picking behind us and just drafted a PF high in the lottery last year, they also have Blatche and Rashard Lewis on the roster. I think they draft Beal.

[Hugo]

TROB will def. be there at 4. CLE would go with MKG and Was would go with Beal. I'm not fully convinced that MKG shouldn't be the pick for us.

[ammofan]

I think Robinson is a hell of a lot better than anyone we could get at 6 and 11. I feel Robinson will likely have a bigger impact than say...Barnes and Sullinger, or Rivers, or Perry Jones, or Zeller, etc.

We don't need more DJ Augustin level players. We need a guy who has the ability to become a franchise player, and that guy will come at 3...whether it's TRob, MKG or Beal.

[Bucko]

If we can go from 2 to 4, still get TRob, and pick up 24 we'd be crazy not to. I don't know about the Portland deal though, I think I'd pass on it.

[ammofan]

Also...couldn't we just buy a 1st round pick from someone? I don't wanna move down from #2 and risk losing Robinson just to pick up #24. If we really want another first...use a current player or cash in a deal.

We have to be CERTAIN TRob would be at #4.

[Whiz Kid]

Whether we keep #2 or try to trade down, I want another pick in the late-lottery to make a run at Austin Rivers.

Simply put, he's a special offensive talent which we desperately need.
What he does lack in skill (as far as defense) he makes up for in work ethic. He has a desire to be challenged. This can be proved by his statements on why he went to Duke. "I knew that there nothing would be given to me. I would have to earn a starting spot by working hard."

We could either keep #2 and make other trades to get a late lottery pick and end up with TRob and Austin Rivers
Or
Trade down for Portland's #6 and #11 and Still end up with TRob if available (VERY VERY Slim Chance) and Austin Rivers or when TRob isn't available we take Perry Jones or Jared Sullinger and Austin Rivers. Win/Win.

[cltblkhscoach]

We have to be careful about trading down though, because if TRob is our guy and we trade out of 2, who's to say another team isn't going to trade up in front of us and take him if they love him as well?

Also I read TRob is from DC and would love to play for the Wizards....maybe a swap of picks after they're selected, but what else could we get from them? Maybe this is where we get rid of TT? I know, wishful thinking lol....

Point is, if there's someone we LOVE out of those Top 5-6 players, stay at 2 and take them. There's too much talk about teams wanting to trade this year to take a chance. Plus there will be other ways to get back in the first round, or purchase a pick from a cap-strapped team towards the end of the first.

[ammofan]

Whether we keep #2 or try to trade down, I want another pick in the late-lottery to make a run at Austin Rivers.

Simply put, he's a special offensive talent which we desperately need.
What he does lack in skill (as far as defense) he makes up for in work ethic. He has a desire to be challenged. This can be proved by his statements on why he went to Duke. "I knew that there nothing would be given to me. I would have to earn a starting spot by working hard."

We could either keep #2 and make other trades to get a late lottery pick and end up with TRob and Austin Rivers
Or
Trade down for Portland's #6 and #11 and Still end up with TRob if available (VERY VERY Slim Chance) and Austin Rivers or when TRob isn't available we take Perry Jones or Jared Sullinger and Austin Rivers. Win/Win.

I'd rather have TRob than Jones/Rivers. I like Sullinger alot so Sullinger/Rivers is closer for me but I feel like Robinson is gonna be a great player and Sullinger just a good player.

But I agree with you on Rivers. I'd LOVEEEEE to have him coming off our bench. He's got tons of talent...all he needs is some good coaching and experience.

[Whiz Kid]

I'd rather have TRob than Jones/Rivers. I like Sullinger alot so Sullinger/Rivers is closer for me but I feel like Robinson is gonna be a great player and Sullinger just a good player.

But I agree with you on Rivers. I'd LOVEEEEE to have him coming off our bench. He's got tons of talent...all he needs is some good coaching and experience.

I get what you are saying. I feel like it's better to at least explore ALL POSSIBLE options instead of everyone arguing about the same thing, so thats what I did, stated some different options...but anyway

I think we can definitely keep #2 and still get a mid-late lottery pick throwing some established players like DJ and some money or future picks. If we end up with TRob and Austin Rivers somehow...i see an immediate difference. A great post double-double machine and a offensive beast.

I think its very possible if we try to go for NO's #10 pick or Portland's #11

[SJackson1]

TRob is a walking double double which is exactly what we need to improve on last season. He adds abilty on both ends of the floor especially in the paint where we have been poor the last few years.

[Veteran_Picksetter]

Let's see how people feel about TRob when he measures 6'7".

[Veteran_Picksetter]

Let's see how people feel about TRob when he measures 6'7".

Then his stock might drop, but he would still be a good rebounder to grab with a lower pick (6-10?). Depends on his length, really.

[SJackson1]

He's got to be at least 6ft 9

[spectre]

Pretty sure DJ is out of the discussion in regards to trading for picks as he's RFA.

[Chef]

Pretty sure DJ is out of the discussion in regards to trading for picks as he's RFA.

we do still have his rights which means we can sign him for an extra year which still gives the remote possibility of a sign and trade

[Plowright]

If T Rob was still available at 4 why would any team trade ahead for the 2 pick? They would be ables to get their target anyway... think about it. I think T Rob will really change us and is probably the best fit right now. I want something more than 4 and 24 for Robinson, needs to be a future pick in there as well or something

[MadBOBCATfanUK]

I don't see T-Rob as a franchise changer, I would be happy if Cho traded the 2nd pick for 4th and 24th and we snagged Drummond aswell as Wrotten/Taylor. I'd also hope for one of their seconds but that might be pushing it.

[Katmandu]

We have to be careful about trading down though, because if TRob is our guy and we trade out of 2, who's to say another team isn't going to trade up in front of us and take him if they love him as well?

Exactly. If Robinson is the guy you want, and I'm leaning that way instead of MKG, then take him at 2.

[spectre]

we do still have his rights which means we can sign him for an extra year which still gives the remote possibility of a sign and trade

I think he has to accept the QO first but I could be wrong. I looked thru Larry Coon's FAQ the other day and couldn't find anything directly related to what teams could/couldn't do in regards to DJ during this summer in regards to trades.

[WAM9]

I think he has to accept the QO first but I could be wrong. I looked thru Larry Coon's FAQ the other day and couldn't find anything directly related to what teams could/couldn't do in regards to DJ during this summer in regards to trades.

I am pretty sure that you are corrrect Spectre.

Once he accepts the qualifying offer, he can be dealt but not before.

[dnbman]

I am pretty sure that you are corrrect Spectre.

Once he accepts the qualifying offer, he can be dealt but not before.

But we could say something like, "we're going to give you $18m/3yr and send you to Boston" and if he accepted, we could trade him, right?

[krazyrumpshaker]

Since Portland owes us their draft pick next year, couldnt we just try and swap one of their lottery picks this year and they get their pick back next year? Do we really need 2 picks in next years lottery if it is going to be as weak as most people say. And im sure Portland would like to have their back so they at least have one pick next year. Just a thought. Seems like it would be a much simpler way to get another lottery pick this year.

[CableBoxCat]

Since Portland owes us their draft pick next year, couldnt we just try and swap one of their lottery picks this year and they get their pick back next year? Do we really need 2 picks in next years lottery if it is going to be as weak as most people say. And im sure Portland would like to have their back so they at least have one pick next year. Just a thought. Seems like it would be a much simpler way to get another lottery pick this year.

Does Charlotte actually have Portland's pick, or is it New Orleans' pick via Portland? I'm actually legit confused. I thought New Orleans traded their pick to Portland for Bayless, who then traded that pick to Charlotte for Wallace. What's the actual situation? Did Portland instead trade Charlotte their actual pick?

[krazyrumpshaker]

I wrote this before i read another thread that talked about this scenario alot. Seems the majority of people think it will take players/picks for Portland to swap picks back. I didnt think about that originally and i believe that is correct. Portland would rather have their picks this year with the quality then next years pick, unless we gave them something as well. Maybe cho will work some magic.

[spectre]

But we could say something like, "we're going to give you $18m/3yr and send you to Boston" and if he accepted, we could trade him, right?

Under the table deal as the rules specifically state he can't be offered a new contract after October 31st last year til July 1st.


Portland's own 2013 1st round pick to Charlotte (top 12 protected in the 2013 draft, top 12 protected in 2014, top 12 protected in 2015, and unprotected in the 2016 Draft). [Charlotte - Portland, 2/24/2011]No guarantee we get that pick next year

[Mustachio]

Under the table deal as the rules specifically state he can't be offered a new contract after October 31st last year til July 1st.

No guarantee we get that pick next year


That would be our only pick of 2013 as well if I am not mistaken. Don't we owe the Bulls our original 2013 pick? I know that the Portland pick we own is top 12 protected... So if Portland finishes the season as a lottery team (very possible with all the turnover and a new GM) The Bobcats won't have a pick in 2013. Unless the Bulls pick we owe them is lottery protected

[SWedd523]

Does Charlotte actually have Portland's pick, or is it New Orleans' pick via Portland? I'm actually legit confused. I thought New Orleans traded their pick to Portland for Bayless, who then traded that pick to Charlotte for Wallace. What's the actual situation? Did Portland instead trade Charlotte their actual pick?

The New Orleans pick has already been conveyed. It was the 19th pick (Tobias Harris) that was traded in package to get Bismack. The Portland pick is conditional; Portland keeps it if it's in the top 12 until 2016, when it becomes unprotected

[SWedd523]

That would be our only pick of 2013 as well if I am not mistaken. Don't we owe the Bulls our original 2013 pick? I know that the Portland pick we own is top 12 protected... So if Portland finishes the season as a lottery team (very possible with all the turnover and a new GM) The Bobcats won't have a pick in 2013. Unless the Bulls pick we owe them is lottery protected

Bulls pick is also protected until 2016, but with different conditions than the Portland one.

[Mustachio]

Bulls pick is also protected until 2016, but with different conditions than the Portland one.


Alright sweet. So basically best case scenario for us is Portland does well next year, Bobcats stay in the lottery. then we have 2 draft picks.

[Potato]

I would love to trade with Portland and snag the 6 and 11. That's Harrison Barnes and Tyler Zeller, let me remind you I'm a duke fan too. Aside of Davis, IMO Barnes is the only other player in the draft with actual "star" potential. That dude took over games at UNC, and remember UNC (like many other great CBB programs) never builds around one player. They rely on a group effort, even MJ didn't dominate at UNC. Call me crazy but I wouldn't be stunned if Barnes is almost as good as Durant. Zeller is great value at 11.

[DUnit24]

As a UNC fan, that is good to finally hear someone outside of UNC saying that Barnes has that star potential. I think its pretty obvious what he COULD be in the NBA. Its just a matter of having the right mindset.

In your scenario though, I would much rather take Kendall Marshall if he is there. I think a combo at PG of Marshall and Walker for years would be sweet.

[SWedd523]

As a UNC fan, I still don't see it

[spectre]

I'd prefer a more veteran PG with Kemba. As I've said previously I'd target Farmar, but here's an out of the box idea (which I don't know that I would even do):

Lowry/14th for 2nd/Tyrus Thomas.

[Potato]

I'd prefer a more veteran PG with Kemba. As I've said previously I'd target Farmar, but here's an out of the box idea (which I don't know that I would even do):

Lowry/14th for 2nd/Tyrus Thomas.

That might be the worst deal I've seen my entire life right there

[Black]

I'd prefer a more veteran PG with Kemba. As I've said previously I'd target Farmar, but here's an out of the box idea (which I don't know that I would even do):

Lowry/14th for 2nd/Tyrus Thomas.

No thanks. As much as I'd love to get rid of Tyrus at this point, that's not enough of a return for the pick. Plus Lowry wants to start, and I think Kemba deserves a chance to prove himself without having a young somewhat proven point guard waiting in the wings.

[SWedd523]

Lol sorry spectre, no way they bite on that deal. Lowry is a top 5ish PG when healthy and they aren't going to move him AND a pick for Tyrus.

Maybe if we trade for the 6 and 11, they might move him for the 11 and salary filler.

[spectre]

Lol sorry spectre, no way they bite on that deal. Lowry is a top 5ish PG when healthy and they aren't going to move him AND a pick for Tyrus.

What...it's not the worst trade idea you've ever seen in your entire life? :cool:

As is typical in all drafts potential is always hugely overrated. I agree with Swedd that Houston wouldn't do that trade for what "might" be an all star one day with Tyrus' ridiculous contract thrown in. Lowry is one HELLUVA asset, locked in for like 6 per for the next two years. I'd question whether they'd do it without Tyrus...but I wouldn't do it then.

BTW, I don't think POR does the 6th/11th for 2.

[Jennings]

I'm a UNC fan as well and I would be pissed if we picked Barnes. The guy will have a hard time getting his shot off in the NBA. He might be a good spot up shooter, but you don't draft a guy top 5 to a spot up shooter. There were many games where someone would get up in his grill, and he couldn't do shiet. Plus he's too passive for my taste. JMO.

[JGib23]

Alright sweet. So basically best case scenario for us is Portland does well next year, Bobcats stay in the lottery. then we have 2 draft picks.

No best case is they suck for 4 more season and miss the playoffs every year and keep their pick until it goes unprotected.
Then they win the lottery and the first overall picks comes to Charlotte.

By then Gerald Wallace will be nearly retired and our front office gets some kudos for a great trade.

[akaseinfeld]

For those with insider:

He's about to find out. The Bobcats, one of the worst teams in NBA history, own the second pick and are interested. It would be a tough fit. While Kidd-Gilchrist is an elite player, he's not the type of guy who carries a team on his shoulders by himself. With a dearth of talent on the roster, it's going to be a pretty slow road back to the playoffs.


The Wizards are in a much better position and would likely benefit from the leadership and toughness he brings to the table. Playing with John Wall (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/4237/john-wall) andNene (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/1713/-nene) should make them dangerous.


But if there's a team that fits Kidd-Gilchrist's game it's the Cavs. With Kyrie Irving (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6442/kyrie-irving), Tristan Thompson (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6474/tristan-thompson), Anderson Varejao (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2419/anderson-varejao), the 24th pick, two picks in the early second round and cap space, they are a team on the rise. It also doesn't hurt that Irving, Kidd-Gilchrist's former teammate in high school, also is a close friend.


For the Cavs to get their hands on him one of two scenarios is going to have to happen. The first is that the Bobcats opt to go with a power forward and take Thomas Robinson (http://insider.espn.go.com/nbadraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2010&playerId=19459) and then the Wizards decide to grab Bradley Beal (http://insider.espn.go.com/nbadraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2010&playerId=19658) instead of Kidd-Gilchrist. That's possible, though the odds are stacked against it.


The other scenario is for the Cavs to package the No. 4 pick and either their 24th pick or their two seconds to move up two spots to get Kidd-Gilchrist. For a team like the Bobcats that need lots of assets, it might be worth it.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/blog/_/name/nba_draft/id/8006514/nba-draft-michael-kidd-gilchrist-does-not-wow-scouts-wins

[DUnit24]

Best part of the draft coming up is the different scenarios fans come up with. I have another one.

We trade our pick to Portland for the 6th, 11th, and 40th pick

6- (SG) Jeremy Lamb - Reggie Miller-esque player. Would be our SG for years.
11-(PG) Kendall Marshall - Woah. What? Would be very hard for me to pass on a guy with Marshalls potential. Jason Kidd part II and would allow Kemba to play a sixth man role.
40 - (PF) Mike Scott - Ive seen him play several times at Virginia, and this guy has a world of ability. Probably should have gotten ACC Player of the Year. Played in a very slow offense and I think once he gets into the NBA, he will shine. Not all star caliber, but solid bench player. Udonis Haslem type IMO.

Sign Antawn Jamison

Kendall Marshall - Kemba Walker
Jeremy Lamb - Gerald Henderson
Corey Maggette - Reggie Williams
Antawn Jamison - Mike Scott
Bismack Biyombo - Byron Mullens

Thoughts?

[spectre]

Under the table deal as the rules specifically state he can't be offered a new contract after October 31st last year til July 1st.

I've been going thru the CBA forum on RGM (currently on page 27...ugh) and I've still not seen a thread on trading players on their rookie contracts between the end of their 4th season and tendering the QO. I did run across one point however and I figured I'd toss that in here.

After/if DJ signs the QO (sometime after July 1st) he basically has a no trade clause until he becomes UFA. If we traded him he would lose his Bird Rights...so most likely he would not agree to a trade.

[westbrook08]

I wouldn't trade the pick @ all.Thomas Robinson is gonna be a great player and the last thing we need is to trade for 4 and 24 and have some team swoop in and trade with washington @ 3 and grab him.People already think this franchise is a joke anyway and it's not worth risking it.Just draft him @ 2! Honestly we have expirings and an extra pick next year to work with if we wanna get back in the first round.Hell, alot of times teams in the 20's have been selling them for cash.So we have options, but i wouldn't mess with the 2 pick all.

[Bismack BROyombo]

I'm officially on the T Rob bandwagon

[Scottley Crue]

I wouldn't trade the pick @ all.Thomas Robinson is gonna be a great player and the last thing we need is to trade for 4 and 24 and have some team swoop in and trade with washington @ 3 and grab him.People already think this franchise is a joke anyway and it's not worth risking it.Just draft him @ 2! Honestly we have expirings and an extra pick next year to work with if we wanna get back in the first round.Hell, alot of times teams in the 20's have been selling them for cash.So we have options, but i wouldn't mess with the 2 pick all.

This,this...a million times this. The being bad part of our strategy pays off when you select high in the draft, which is were we are. I believe Thomas Robinson is an NBA-ready talent as well. Just take him, and if you really want to get back in the first round, use some assets as trade fodder instead of that #2 pick. I just don't think in a rebuilding strategy that you turn away a top 2 pick, unless someone bowls you over with great talent that doesn't have a contract (s) that act as a handcuff. And you're not likely to see that because most teams hold on to them.

[MadBOBCATfanUK]

If Cho has his eye on Drummond I say he makes the trade if he thinks Cleveland want MKG, and I think he should also push for an added second round pick. I just see Robinson as an energy guy, also if he makes a trade with Portland and they say they will draft MKG I wonder whether they would include Batum in a deal.

[SuperKemba]

Best part of the draft coming up is the different scenarios fans come up with. I have another one.

We trade our pick to Portland for the 6th, 11th, and 40th pick

6- (SG) Jeremy Lamb - Reggie Miller-esque player. Would be our SG for years.
11-(PG) Kendall Marshall - Woah. What? Would be very hard for me to pass on a guy with Marshalls potential. Jason Kidd part II and would allow Kemba to play a sixth man role.
40 - (PF) Mike Scott - Ive seen him play several times at Virginia, and this guy has a world of ability. Probably should have gotten ACC Player of the Year. Played in a very slow offense and I think once he gets into the NBA, he will shine. Not all star caliber, but solid bench player. Udonis Haslem type IMO.

Sign Antawn Jamison

Kendall Marshall - Kemba Walker
Jeremy Lamb - Gerald Henderson
Corey Maggette - Reggie Williams
Antawn Jamison - Mike Scott
Bismack Biyombo - Byron Mullens

Thoughts?

I don't like Kendall Marshall. I know he's a great passer but that's about all he can do. He doesn't play great D or have even average athleticism imo. If he were a bit better as an athlete and defender I be all for getting him.

[Katmandu]

I'm a UNC fan as well and I would be pissed if we picked Barnes. The guy will have a hard time getting his shot off in the NBA. He might be a good spot up shooter, but you don't draft a guy top 5 to a spot up shooter. There were many games where someone would get up in his grill, and he couldn't do shiet. Plus he's too passive for my taste. JMO.

Thank-you!

[Black]

Besides the fact that I just plain don't want Barnes, I also don't want to hear all the bullshit from non-Bobcats fans about drafting UNC players.

[Wolfpackbobcat]

Kendall isn't what we need. Barnes cant create his own shot.



Besides the fact that I just plain don't want Barnes, I also don't want to hear all the bullshit from non-Bobcats fans about drafting UNC players.

[heelcat]

Honestly, I have read the talk about trading the #2 and I just can't get on board. To me, it's obvious. Stay at 2 and take MKG who has the highest ceiling of anyone below AD. Reason being is his talent and athleticism combined with his work ethic. Says Cam Newton to me. Talent and a hard worker.....sold! I know TRob is of that mold as well. But I can't help but think he is going to be a smallish PF. He will get 15 and 10 on a regular basis, but MKG in a year or two will be capable of 25pts 8rbs 4asst 3stls a night. Again, i cannot see passing him up.

[Black]

Honestly, I have read the talk about trading the #2 and I just can't get on board. To me, it's obvious. Stay at 2 and take MKG who has the highest ceiling of anyone below AD. Reason being is his talent and athleticism combined with his work ethic. Says Cam Newton to me. Talent and a hard worker.....sold! I know TRob is of that mold as well. But I can't help but think he is going to be a smallish PF. He will get 15 and 10 on a regular basis, but MKG in a year or two will be capable of 25pts 8rbs 4asst 3stls a night. Again, i cannot see passing him up.

MKG would definitely fit the mold of building gradually through the draft. Robinson will probably have a better rookie season, but since our plan is to build over the course of several years, MKG doesn't need to be great right away. I will be on board with just about anyone we take except Barnes. Drummond doesn't excite me very much either at this point.

[dnbman]

Honestly, I have read the talk about trading the #2 and I just can't get on board. To me, it's obvious. Stay at 2 and take MKG who has the highest ceiling of anyone below AD. Reason being is his talent and athleticism combined with his work ethic. Says Cam Newton to me. Talent and a hard worker.....sold! I know TRob is of that mold as well. But I can't help but think he is going to be a smallish PF. He will get 15 and 10 on a regular basis, but MKG in a year or two will be capable of 25pts 8rbs 4asst 3stls a night. Again, i cannot see passing him up.

That stat line is pretty strong. I understand you're saying "capable," but that line would make him a top 10 player in the league.

What do you think is a more reasonable set of stats for a guy that virtually everything things is limited to being a slasher at the moment?

Also, how about his ft shooting?

[Hugo]

I like MKG the most but Beal is starting to really gain on me. We've never had a true scorer. He's Lou Will at worst case scenario.

[ncstamey]

I have warmed up to Beal as well... same thought about not ever having that 'true scorer' but I'm still leaning T-Rob or MKG.

[spectre]

If Robinson is 6'8" or better in shoes I'm all in for him.

[Plowright]

-Not sure how you think MKG will average 25 points....Only Dirk, Kobe, Druant, LBJ and Melo have averaged 25 points this year. All of these guys were known as elite scorers all their life. Apart from Dirk who was in Europe. They can all score in so many way, many more ways than MKG for sure.

-If we did that trade and took Marshall at 11 I would be outraged. Seriously Lillard is a much better pro prospect... even then I would rather Rivers or Terrance Ross or anyone. Theres a reason Marshall is down to lower first round on the draft boards. He is not atheltic or quick which will kill him on defense. You have seen DJ trying to guard the likes of Wall and Rose, it just doesn't work. Plus he cant even shoot that great

- If the Cav really want MKG I would do 2 for 4 and 24 as I dont think the Wiz would take Robinson at 3 so he would still be there at 4. But we would have to get into the Wizards font office and get in their heads to figure out if they would defo take Beal.

- Don't rule out obtaining a pick from a team we have not even discussed. Whoever thought we were going to get the Buck's pick last year? It just came out of nowhere...

-I am quite against trading back to be honest, I think we need the star power and that guy who we can say "He is going to do it for us" and I think T Rob is that guy.

-I do want another lottery pick, desperately. I am not sure how, we had to take on Maggette last year. I just made drew this up now http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7a3gbzd Plus we would get either their 14th or 16th pick. Maybe we throw in our 31 as well.

[spectre]

- If the Cav really want MKG I would do 2 for 4 and 24 as I dont think the Wiz would take Robinson at 3 so he would still be there at 4. But we would have to get into the Wizards font office and get in their heads to figure out if they would defo take Beal.

The Wiz are who I'm worried about most. Wall said flat out he wanted a 2 or 3 guard and most of their fans want Beal (that I've seen)...but supposedly their FO likes Robinson too. IF we get convinced the Wiz will take Beal then we should obviously take MKG, let the Cavs take Robinson and swap them for at least the 24th pick.

I'd hope we'd be pretty sure before we did that though.

[Plowright]

Yeah exactly we would have to be sure. What about this for the 5th pick. Apparantly according to an insider artcile the Kings are looking for veteren help http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=777das6 we get the 5th pick

[Mustachio]

Yeah exactly we would have to be sure. What about this for the 5th pick. Apparantly according to an insider artcile the Kings are looking for veteren help http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=777das6 we get the 5th pick


Congratulations... you just made the worst trade ever in the history of the trade machine. You took a 7 win team and somehow gave them a projected -2 wins for next season. That is 84 loses in an 82 game season. Bravo sir.

[iowabobcat]

Yeah exactly we would have to be sure. What about this for the 5th pick. Apparantly according to an insider artcile the Kings are looking for veteren help http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=777das6 we get the 5th pick

I doubt that Cho would trade Mullens to the Kings. During the Draft Lottery Cho mentioned that Walker, Biyombo, and Mullens were the 3 young pieces the Bobcats had. I am sure they are willing to trade anybody on the roster other than those 3.

[Frosty06306]

Congratulations... you just made the worst trade ever in the history of the trade machine. You took a 7 win team and somehow gave them a projected -2 wins for next season. That is 84 loses in an 82 game season. Bravo sir.

Was that a serious trade idea? No thank you...

[SWedd523]

I would wager that Gilchrist never averages 25 points for a season. I would even hesitate to say he hits 20

[Plowright]

+ The number 5 pick? That could be Barnes, PG3 OR Drummond. We are giving up bench quality for starter quality. I dont think its that bad, maybe take Byron out but I doubt Jazz so it then. You guys really over value our players. Mullens and Reggie Williams are scrubs compared to the rest of the NBA.

[spectre]

Personally I think it's the other way...the other teams wouldn't do it.

[iowabobcat]

+ The number 5 pick? That could be Barnes, PG3 OR Drummond. We are giving up bench quality for starter quality. I dont think its that bad, maybe take Byron out but I doubt Jazz so it then. You guys really over value our players. Mullens and Reggie Williams are scrubs compared to the rest of the NBA.

So if Mullens and Williams are scrubs why would the Kings want them and Henderson for the #5 pick in a strong draft class. They could get so much more from other teams wanting that pick.

[Chef]

Congratulations... you just made the worst trade ever in the history of the trade machine. You took a 7 win team and somehow gave them a projected -2 wins for next season. That is 84 loses in an 82 game season. Bravo sir.

how does the trade machine account for the #5 overall. let's say it's drummond, barnes, lamb or terrance ross and we end up with t-rob, plus another top 10, i am sure i would take that over keeping three players where we know exactly what we have and it isn't all that great.

[Black]

If Robinson is 6'8" or better in shoes I'm all in for him.

6'8'' in shoes? That would be the worst possible scenario. He better be 6'8'' without shoes at the very least if we take him. 6'8'' in shoes is 6'6'' and 3/4 or so without shoes. That's way too short to warrant the second overall pick.

[Plowright]

So if Mullens and Williams are scrubs why would the Kings want them and Henderson for the #5 pick in a strong draft class. They could get so much more from other teams wanting that pick.


Because together they have some value and also they will both be expiring so thats why. Don't try to make someone look dumb on these message boards dude, it will just bite you in the Ass + Henderson would really help the Kings defense, Thornton can't defend anyone.

Finally Chef! Someone who speaks sense, gotta respect the oldies, you have been here since 08! You know what your talking about ;)

[spectre]

6'8'' in shoes? That would be the worst possible scenario. He better be 6'8'' without shoes at the very least if we take him. 6'8'' in shoes is 6'6'' and 3/4 or so without shoes. That's way too short to warrant the second overall pick.

I'd be shocked if he's 6'8" without shoes from all the pics/vids I've seen of him. Maybe he is tho...and that'd be even better and make the pick more of a no brainer.

[iowabobcat]

Because together they have some value and also they will both be expiring so thats why. Don't try to make someone look dumb on these message boards dude, it will just bite you in the Ass + Henderson would really help the Kings defense, Thornton can't defend anyone.

Finally Chef! Someone who speaks sense, gotta respect the oldies, you have been here since 08! You know what your talking about ;)

Not trying to make anybody look dumb, just have a different opinion than you. I agree with you that Williams is a scrub, but Mullens has potential to be a good role bench player. Henderson on a good NBA team is another role bench player. If the Kings are looking for a veteran player they should try and get Rudy Gay from the Grizzlies trading their #5 pick and another player.

[Black]

I'd be shocked if he's 6'8" without shoes from all the pics/vids I've seen of him. Maybe he is tho...and that'd be even better and make the pick more of a no brainer.

Yeah the pictures I've seen of him at the Lottery make me pretty nervous. Barnes appears to be taller than him.

http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/002/287/345/0602-draft-slide-T1_original_display_image.jpg?1338776041

[spectre]

Yeah the pictures I've seen of him at the Lottery make me pretty nervous. Barnes appears to be taller than him.

http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/002/287/345/0602-draft-slide-T1_original_display_image.jpg?1338776041

Me too. On that DX vid Bill Self mentions Milsap and says explicitly that Robinson is taller than him (listed as 6'8"). I hope like hell he's 6'10" in shoes, but I've talked myself into the 6'8" line trying to be more reasonable. At that height I think he can overcome with that motor and a solid work ethic.

Hope so anyway.

[Black]

We will know soon enough.

[Scottley Crue]

I can understand the height concerns, but I wouldn't get toooo caught up in a prospect's height measurement. Certainly, if Robinson measured 6-4, then that's a bit of an issue for a power forward, but he ends up 6-7, I still wouldn't fret. It's the reach and wingspan that will show how "big" he plays. I'd certainly like him to be 6-8 or above as well, but if he's 6-7 with good reach and wingspan, I think it'll be fine. He's not going to be blocking shots with the top of his head. Though if he did, I would be heavily impressed.

[Chef]

Not trying to make anybody look dumb, just have a different opinion than you. I agree with you that Williams is a scrub, but Mullens has potential to be a good role bench player. Henderson on a good NBA team is another role bench player. If the Kings are looking for a veteran player they should try and get Rudy Gay from the Grizzlies trading their #5 pick and another player.

you are probably right here. if i am the kings i go tyreke evans and #5 for rudy gay and memphis's first and second.

[Chef]

Finally Chef! Someone who speaks sense, gotta respect the oldies, you have been here since 08! You know what your talking about ;)

actually it was 2006 but zig reset the server in 2008. funny stat: before last wednesday the most people that were ever on the site at one time was like 130. and in 2006 it was like 50.

[Mustachio]

how does the trade machine account for the #5 overall. let's say it's drummond, barnes, lamb or terrance ross and we end up with t-rob, plus another top 10, i am sure i would take that over keeping three players where we know exactly what we have and it isn't all that great.


I was just stating the hilarious fact that he somehow got the machine to give us negative wins. I just thought it was funny, I shouldnt have said worst trade machine trade ever. I've seen much worse. Two top 5 picks, would be awesome, but they wont do that deal.

[Chef]

I was just stating the hilarious fact that he somehow got the machine to give us negative wins. I just thought it was funny, I shouldnt have said worst trade machine trade ever. I've seen much worse. Two top 5 picks, would be awesome, but they wont do that deal.

yeah, i guess he managed to pick the three players who accounted for most of our "successes".

[SJackson1]

he's got to be agt least 6ft 8 but i think he will measure 6ft 9 in the combine.

[SWedd523]

This thread is so far off topic. Going to close this down to keep from having the same conversations in different threads.


Trade discussions goes in the trade thread
Robinson construction goes in the trade thead
etc.