Tell me about our asset management

[dnbman]

Where do you value acquiring talent versus freeing ourselves of bad obligations?

I know that nobody on here would trade the #2 to get rid of debt unless it was part of receiving a strong, young talent in return.

However, what would be some situations where we make trades that get rid of bad contracts and maybe get us some slightly lesser talent, if you think any such deal would be worth it?

I'm looking for reasonable deals, not "trade the #2 and Diop, Tyrus, and Carroll for the Cleveland's picks," which would be nigh impossible.

[superb1]

I think that a deal involving TT for someone with an expiring contract or an underrated player still on a rookie contract would fit us best. Besides Kemba and Bis, TT has the next longest contract and he has not produced enough to be included in our future. Everyone agrees the shredding his contract rather than amnestying him goes a long way.

For example trading TT to say a contender who expect to have cap space and need someone of TT's talents for a 1or 2 yr player who can't move off the bench due to an abundances to players in his position (i.e. Mullens), then throw in a draft pick which would be the real target.

[spectre]

Last year was a terrible thing to go thru and Tyrus was definitely part of it. I'm not a fan of low BBIQ players anyway but I think he's much better than what we saw this past season. I wouldn't dilute any assets right now to move him as I think a competent coach can get much more from him and (gasp!) actually get him into positive asset territory.

We're getting to the end of bad contracts, we're not ready to go after high end FAs and with the new CBA Jordan should stop bleeding money.

All about asset management...0% interest in dumping anyone unless it's a total nonbrainer.

[SWedd523]

We really only have one bad contract now, and we can use the amnesty if need be. I don't see the value in making a talent lopsided trade to free cap when there is a minimum in the first place and we're already bottom 5ish in salary.

We already went through the cap process, now we're full steam ahead in asset collection mode.

[spectre]

In regards to acquiring assets...

Saw this on the RGM Trade Board:

Charlotte/Orlando - Maggette for Hedo/19th. Salary is about a wash the upcoming season and we can buy out Hedo for 6 million the next season. I posted in that thread that I thought we needed a little more so another poster put this:


Char/Pho/Orl
Charlotte gets Turk, Frye, 13, and 19
Phoenix gets Diops expiring deal, Earl Clark, and 31.
Orlando gets Corey Maggettes expiring deal.

Charlotte gets a boost towards a rebuild and two respectable players. I would even argue Frye might do really well alongside Biyombo.

Phoenix and Orlando shed salary.

I like that revision a lot.

[Plowright]

I love that deal, but dont see why the Suns would do it. I think they would value their 13 pick more than sheding the salary of Frye

[westbrook08]

That's actually a deal i would do.Kudos for thinking outside of the box! Although i don't know why phoenix would want to give up their draft pick in a loaded draft and take back earl clark(who they already traded) just to save a few bucks.Plus frye has actually played well for them.I think they'd like to get rid of warrick alot more.But anyway,if we can make deals where we trade expiring contracts for draft pics and maybe take on an extra year of a contract to do it that's fine.But i wouldn't add anything long term or trade any of our young guys considering this is gonna the first full offseason for biz,kemba,mullens,williams and our draft picks.I think we need to actually see what we have first.Although,if we do drart robinson,i think it's inevitable that we amnesty tyrus.Your gonna want to bring a vet in to mentor t-rob(jamison maybe) and mullens has shown he can be a good stretch 4 off the bench.So i don't think we're gonna pay a guy to be 3rd or 4th string, and we're damn sure not gonna pay him 9 mil a year to try and play the 3.So if we can unload him in a trade that doesn't get us fleeced i would,but otherwise, we should amnesty him.

[dnbman]

We really only have one bad contract now, and we can use the amnesty if need be. I don't see the value in making a talent lopsided trade to free cap when there is a minimum in the first place and we're already bottom 5ish in salary.

We already went through the cap process, now we're full steam ahead in asset collection mode.

I tend to agree with this and Specter's comment. We're actually looking pretty good next season, save TT, assuming he doesn't live up to his contract.

[dnbman]

I like that revision a lot.

That seems like one of those deals that's got too many pieces for the teams to make it work, but it sure would be nice if it did!

Speaking of big trades, it seems like a few years ago there were rather frequent multi-team, multi-player trades, where several guys would change homes. I don't think I've seen that much in the last few years. Just an observation.

[DashGlobal]

Phoenix would have to be effing retarded to trade their 13th pick! Unless you give them a nice player in return.

[Chef]

i don't see the bobcats using the amnesty. amnesty from the owner's perspective only means saving on luxury tax. we aren't even close to a LC team so why amnesty a player that you will have to pay anyway? no one is going to sign TT for anything more than a couple million which means jordan would still be paying him 5+ per year. if i were jordan i would rather pay him 8 per year and have him play for me rather than 5 or 6 per year and have him play for someone else.

[dnbman]

Chef, it would be the ability to sign also, but I don't think it affects us much given: a.) we're not likely to be very active with FAs this year and b.) next year we're in much better shape, possibly to sign two big FAs.

Agree though: doesn't seem like Tyrus is going anywhere.

[spectre]

Chef, it would be the ability to sign also, but I don't think it affects us much given: a.) we're not likely to be very active with FAs this year and b.) next year we're in much better shape, possibly to sign two big FAs.

Agree though: doesn't seem like Tyrus is going anywhere.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/basketball/nba/story/2012-04-27/Corey-Maggette-Michael-Jordan-will-turn-Bobcats-around/54592578/1



There are also decisions to be made in free agency.

The 49-year-old Jordan vowed at the beginning of the season that the Bobcats would be active players in free agency this coming summer.

As for the draft, the Bobcats are almost certain to take Kentucky's Anthony Davis with the No. 1 overall pick if they get it. But they're only guaranteed a 25 percent chance of getting it.
There are in-house decisions as well.
The Bobcats plan to build around Henderson and rookies Kemba Walker (http://content.usatoday.com/topics/topic/Kemba+Walker) and Bismack Biyombo.
But they could free up more money to spend in free agency by using the amnesty clause one of their existing big-ticket players. Maggette is due to make $10.9 million next season, while Tyrus Thomas (http://content.usatoday.com/topics/topic/People/Athletes/NBA/Tyrus+Thomas) will make $8 million and Gana Diop $7.4 million.
Thomas is the most intriguing option.
He underachieved this season and was benched midway through the season. But he's due $26 million over the next three seasons, which seems extravagant for a player who averaged just 5.6 points and 3.7 rebounds per game.
Thomas said he wants to return to the Bobcats but added "That's a question you will have to ask the front office."
I can't listen to it here, but if I remember correctly in Bonnell's vid talking to Higgins Rick asked him about FA and he seemed to waffle a little bit.

Do you guys think we will actually try to bring in talent in FA, and for that matter was Jordan being truthful when he said he wasn't going for the 1st overall this past season?

Is the FO telling the media one thing but are actually doing what they're accusing us of?

IF we going along the lines of the OK model I'd guess they were and we WON'T amnesty anyone nor will be go after someone like Batum in FA.

[SWedd523]

If we go after anybody, I hope it's Hibbert. Give the man a max contract if need be and let him and Bismack dominate the next decade of big men. Hell they could even go after the cheaper option Brook Lopez and have near the same effect if he's healthy. (Yes, I know both are restricted)

[dnbman]

Do you guys think we will actually try to bring in talent in FA, and for that matter was Jordan being truthful when he said he wasn't going for the 1st overall this past season?

Is the FO telling the media one thing but are actually doing what they're accusing us of?

IF we going along the lines of the OK model I'd guess they were and we WON'T amnesty anyone nor will be go after someone like Batum in FA.

I'm calling shenanigans. Yeah, I'm sure they'll be active in the sense that they'll hunt for bargains and field a team. However, look at this list:
http://www.hoopsworld.com/2012-nba-free-agents

Who on that list is a reasonable option for us that would be worth spending a lot of cash on? I only see a few, and they all look like they'll resign or go elsewhere.

[Chef]

If we go after anybody, I hope it's Hibbert. Give the man a max contract if need be and let him and Bismack dominate the next decade of big men. Hell they could even go after the cheaper option Brook Lopez and have near the same effect if he's healthy. (Yes, I know both are restricted)

didn't expect this from you swedd. i think giving hibbert a max deal would not be good at all. not going as far as suicide, but he is so not anywhere near max that the thought of him making 18-20million per year is sickening. but compared with overpaying lopez, give me the back to the basket hibbert any day.

what would be your thoughts on team building (this draft and trades) to build around a max contract roy hibbert. i think i would rather have a t-rob at pf than biz next to hibbert. biz and hibbert would not be good spacing at all.

[Chef]

Chef, it would be the ability to sign also, but I don't think it affects us much given: a.) we're not likely to be very active with FAs this year and b.) next year we're in much better shape, possibly to sign two big FAs.

Agree though: doesn't seem like Tyrus is going anywhere.

yeah, i know, but i just don't see any big money FA's worth paying coming here to the point that tyrus's deal this year or next would get in the way.

[SWedd523]

didn't expect this from you swedd. i think giving hibbert a max deal would not be good at all. not going as far as suicide, but he is so not anywhere near max that the thought of him making 18-20million per year is sickening. but compared with overpaying lopez, give me the back to the basket hibbert any day.

what would be your thoughts on team building (this draft and trades) to build around a max contract roy hibbert. i think i would rather have a t-rob at pf than biz next to hibbert. biz and hibbert would not be good spacing at all.
Max deals aren't going to be worth that much anymore chef. Not sure what the new figures are, but it's much lower than Rudy Gay/Joe Johnson money.


*If any of that was untrue, let me know

[BlockParty]

Max deals aren't going to be worth that much anymore chef. Not sure what the new figures are, but it's much lower than Rudy Gay/Joe Johnson money.


*If any of that was untrue, let me know

As I recall from the CBA talks, the Max deals (in theory) will continue to grow like they have in the past, along with flat growth on the rookie contract scales. I may be wrong, I'll look for some support to back it up. Which puts the brunt of the salary decreases on the non-allstar veteran players (most of our roster). Which is why it is so important we don't make any stupid FA moves this summer. Agents and players won't understand the logic of them taking a 'pay cut' compared to similar talent in last year's free agent market. As long as teams with Cap space have ego-maniac GM's and Owners, the mediocre players will continue to get over paid....at least for this summer.

[Chef]

Max deals aren't going to be worth that much anymore chef. Not sure what the new figures are, but it's much lower than Rudy Gay/Joe Johnson money.


*If any of that was untrue, let me know

didn't think of it in terms of new cap figure/cba, but % wise it will probably be the same ie 20 mil = 20% of total cap vs 13 mil = 20% of total cap. the more i think about it, he is a top 5 center and one of three back to the basket centers. i would just be very careful about what you plan to put around him because he isn't a franchise guy.

make me a fake scenario of building around him. is it he and biz starting? trob and hibbert (i like alot better)? three scoring guards up top?

[BlockParty]

This seems like a good resource: http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/CBA-111128/how-new-nba-deal-compares-last-one



Free agents and restricted free agency

• 2005 CBA: A cap hold of 150 percent to 300 percent continues to count against the team's cap for its free agents who have Bird rights or were first-round picks. A team has seven days to match an offer sheet to its restricted free agent. Qualifying offers to restricted free agents are based on the player's draft position.

• 2011 CBA: Cap holds are reduced for most players who have Bird rights or were first-round picks, and now range from 150 percent to 250 percent. Teams have three days to match an offer sheet to its restricted free agent. Players can qualify for a better qualifying offer by meeting certain criteria. High-drafted players might receive a lower qualifying offer by failing to meet the same criteria.

• Who benefits? The reduction in cap holds provides teams with additional cap room to spend on other team's free agents -- giving players slightly higher salaries and promoting player movement.

The reduction in the waiting period from sevendays to three days is a big win for restricted free agents -- teams are often very hesitant to make offers to restricted free agents because they don't want to tie up the salary amount on their cap for an entire week while the other team makes up its mind whether to match.

The higher qualifying offers help ensure that lower-drafted players who become starters or regular rotation players receive a salary that is in line with their performance. Conversely, the lower qualifying offer for underperforming high draft picks helps protect teams. For instance, rather than submitting an $8.8 million offer to retain the rights to Greg Oden, Portland would be able to offer much less. In fact, I fully expect this to be nicknamed the "Greg Oden Rule."



New contracts

• 2005 CBA: Six years with 10.5 percent raises for Bird free agents; five years with 8 percent raises for other players. Maximum salaries are approximately 25, 30 or 35 percent of the salary cap, depending on the player's years of service.

• 2011 CBA: Five years with 7.5 percent raises for Bird free agents; four years with 4.5 percent raises for other players (including all sign-and-trade transactions). The maximum salaries are the same as the 2005 CBA, except players coming off their rookie scale contracts qualify for the 30 percent maximum if they meet certain criteria. Minimum and rookie scale salaries are frozen near their 2010-11 levels until revenues rise enough that the reduction is proportional to the 12 percent reduction in the overall system.

• Who benefits? These changes provide the league with more cost control. The exception is the higher maximum salary for fifth-year players who meet certain league honors (MVP, an all-NBA team member twice, or an All-Star twice), which lets young superstars (think Derrick Rose) cash in with a bigger contract sooner.

The higher maximum salary for fifth-year players can also benefit teams. In 2006 LeBron James, Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh all signed shorter extensions (which allowed them to become free agents in three years) rather than signing on for the maximum five years. The three players timed their free agency to follow their seventh season in the league, when they became eligible for the 30 percent maximum. Allowing franchise players such as these to sign for the higher maximum sooner reduces the temptation for these players to sign shorter contracts, delaying their eventual free agency.

[dnbman]

didn't think of it in terms of new cap figure/cba, but % wise it will probably be the same ie 20 mil = 20% of total cap vs 13 mil = 20% of total cap. the more i think about it, he is a top 5 center and one of three back to the basket centers. i would just be very careful about what you plan to put around him because he isn't a franchise guy.

make me a fake scenario of building around him. is it he and biz starting? trob and hibbert (i like alot better)? three scoring guards up top?

If Biyombo never turned into a clear starting big, he surely would make a nice rotation with those two.

[spectre]

didn't think of it in terms of new cap figure/cba, but % wise it will probably be the same ie 20 mil = 20% of total cap vs 13 mil = 20% of total cap.

I think this is the main point. Max salaries will go down because the cap also has to go down (how else are they going to move from 57% share to 50%, or whatever it is). The % will stay the same.

In regards to what we're able to do with what's left will probably equal what a max salary player gets now...if that makes any sense.

[Chef]

I think this is the main point. Max salaries will go down because the cap also has to go down (how else are they going to move from 57% share to 50%, or whatever it is). The % will stay the same.

In regards to what we're able to do with what's left will probably equal what a max salary player gets now...if that makes any sense.

this makes trading for players on existing contracts very risky and expensive. example from another thread: rudy gay. he is being paid max money now (15 mil) and by the last year of his contract 20 mil. that is a cap killer, unless his production is like lebron's and even then it is debatable. if i were a gm, i would be very reluctant to take on these contracts unless i thought it would lead to a ring.

[westbrook08]

I would go after hibbert up to 16 a year.I think if he keeps working with duncan in the offseason he's gonna be a top 2 or 3 center very soon.Although i think indiana will match.Wouldn't want lopez for the money he will command.He actually seems like he's getting worse every year.I would go after nick batum hard.He's young and fits what we want to do,he's still very young, and i think he can be better than any of the 3's in the draft.If we do somehow take a 3 in the draft i wouldn't mind kris humphries.I think he's a very underrated player.And if we draft t-rob and miss out of everyone else, i would look at signing kaman for a 2 or 3 year deal.He'd give us depth at center and would be a good guy to teach biz some low post scoring.I actually think he's who we're gonna end up with!

[Chef]

If we go after anybody, I hope it's Hibbert. Give the man a max contract if need be and let him and Bismack dominate the next decade of big men. Hell they could even go after the cheaper option Brook Lopez and have near the same effect if he's healthy. (Yes, I know both are restricted)

if i am NO, i would max out hibbert. hibbert at center and davis at pf would be nasty. with eric gordon at sg, plus another lottery pick.