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CharlotteHornets
06-17-2012, 10:19 PM
As of this moment the Bobcats are making a decision on whether to hire Brian Shaw or Quin Snyder. If they bring in Brian Shaw the Bobcats will be implementing the Triangle Offense under Phil Jackson. If they decide to hire Quin Snyder they will be running a variation of the Pick & Roll/Motion hybrid offense.

The beauty of this decision is that the Bobcats roster is a complete state of flux at the moment and they can decide to go either way. There are NO PLAYERS on this roster that they need to build the offense around. However, in this Draft it is very important that the Bobcats build a foundation for the franchise going into the future.

If the Bobcats decide to hire Brian Shaw then they need to look for certain characteristics in the players they draft:

1) The players you draft need to have a VERY HIGH Basketball IQ.
2) You need a player at the Small Forward position that has a versatile offensive game - Isolation Game/3-Point Shooting/Mid-Range Scoring/Post-Up Game.
3) You need a shooting guard that can create mismatches in the post.
4) You need to have a PF or C on your roster that has a nice mid-range jump shot and is an effective passer out of the post.

In order to BEST build this team it would be IDEAL for the Bobcats to TRADE the #2 Pick to Portland for the #6 and #11 Pick. Then, I would like for the Bobcats to do a deal with the Dallas Mavericks for Brendan Haywood and the #17 Pick. The Mavericks are wanting to open up a bunch of cap space and the Bobcats can take on Haywood's contract and take advantage of the fact that he has a "spread provision" in his contract. That means the team that owns his rights and waives him would be responsible for no more than $2 million per year over the next 14 years (He would not hinder the Bobcats cap space).

Once the Bobcats make those deals then they are READY to Draft:

#6 Pick - Kendall Marshall - 6'4 189 - PG
#11 Pick - Perry Jones III - 6'11 234 - PF
#17 Pick - Quincy Miller - 6'10 219 - SF
#31 Pick - Festus Ezeli - 6'11 264 - C

Before you think I am CRAZY, please here me out:

I take Kendall Marshall at #6 because I believe he is a cornerstone for a rebuilding franchise like the Bobcats. I believe he is the safest player in this draft because you know exactly what you are going to get from him. He is a leader and can flat out run an offense. He makes everyone else on the team better. He will be a solid NBA player for the next 10+ years and is the perfect PG for the Triangle Offense. I believe he will develop somewhere right in between Andre Miller and Jason Kidd on the NBA level.

Then, at #11 I love Perry Jones III. Perry Jones is the most versatile player in this draft. He has one of those games that tantalizes coaches with all of the ways they can use him. He is a very enigmatic player that can stuff every column of the stat sheet. I think playing with a true PG like Kendall Marshall will be of HUGE benefit for PJ III because Marshall will get him the ball in position to score. I believe PJ III is likely to have a career arc similar to Lamar Odom. He will have nights where he gets close to triple double and he will also have nights where he scores 6 points, has 5 rebounds, and 2 assists and basically disappears. He is a matchup nightmare for many teams and is the perfect fit for the 4 in the Triangle Offense.

With the #17 Pick acquired from the Dallas Mavericks the Bobcats should draft another Baylor Bear, Quincy Miller. The more film I have watched on this young man, I absolutely love his game. At the combine he measured a legit 6'10. He also had a 36" max vertical and his knee isn't even 100% healthy yet. Then, when you watch his game on film he showed a great mid-range game, he was comfortable in the post, could drill the 3, and had excellent handles for a player at 6'10. This is a guy that could develop into an elite scorer on the NBA level. With his length he will be able to get his shot at will against most NBA Small Forwards. Many like to compare him to Kevin Durant and if the Cats are lucky he would develop into a "Poor Man's Durant" but I think early in his career he will be very similar to Paul George of the Pacers.

Finally, with the #31 Pick you draft a player with size, strength, and rebounding ability. Festus Ezeli fits that mold. He is a monster of a young man that has the size and strength to bang down low with anyone in the NBA. He is one of those players that you need coming off the bench.

Then with this team, I would stick with a total youth movement and let these players learn by baptism under fire. They would struggle but would be a lot of fun to watch develop. It wouldn't hurt any of the cap flexibility of the team and would allow you to see how the young guys develop and then use what will certainly be a Top 3 draft pick in 2013 to try to get a "SUPERSTAR" and then use cap space in free agency to bring in some veterans to fill in the holes on your roster.

In the ideal world the team would look something like this next season:

PG: Kendall Marshall 6'4 - Kemba Walker 5'11
SG: Gerald Henderson 6'5 - Reggie Williams 6'6
SF: Quincy Miller 6'10 - Corey Maggette 6'6 - Derrick Brown 6'8
PF: Perry Jones III 6'11 - Byron Mullens 7'0 - Tyrus Thomas 6'10
C: Bismack Biyombo 6'9 - Festus Ezeli 6'11

ZackTB23
06-17-2012, 11:28 PM
I like it a lot. I think we should start Maggette at the beginning of year as well as Kemba, because the players at those players positions have some injury issues. Also I would want to get Antawn Jamison to help mentor PF's.

Ghost Kat
06-18-2012, 12:00 AM
I hope this isn't a stupid question....But...Has the Triangle offense ever worked without a superstar? (Kobe & Jordan) I like the idea of the triangle since we have no go to guy, but would it even work in Charlotte?

DashGlobal
06-18-2012, 01:20 AM
Screw the triangle. Seriously.

Any offense should be predicated off of getting high % shots.

Which should revolve around

1) Dribble Penetration

2) Screens / Pick n Rolls

3) Moving without the ball

4) Feeding the post (if you have good low post scorers)

Anyways I LOVE the idea of getting the Mavericks pick! Although I dont much like your picks at 6 & 11. I would like to then trade the 11th to Boston and see if they will bite on Doc taking the opportunity to draft his son!

Here is how id roll.

6th - Damian Lillard

17th - Quincy Miller

21st - Royce White

22nd - Fab Melo

31th - John Jenkins

The Prodigy
06-18-2012, 10:27 AM
4 first round picks? What a realistic scenario.

Some of you guys need to understand that this isnt a video game.

dnbman
06-18-2012, 11:22 AM
I hope this isn't a stupid question....But...Has the Triangle offense ever worked without a superstar? (Kobe & Jordan) I like the idea of the triangle since we have no go to guy, but would it even work in Charlotte?

Pop said it's a good idea but that few coaches have the time to teach it, especially since so much time is devoted to teaching defense. It's tough to say how successful it can be without a superstar since it's mostly been used with a superstar.

Given that we're young and not competing for a championship right away, I think we're in a perfect position to start it from day one with our new/young players and see how it goes.

dnbman
06-18-2012, 11:31 AM
Anyways I LOVE the idea of getting the Mavericks pick! Although I dont much like your picks at 6 & 11. I would like to then trade the 11th to Boston and see if they will bite on Doc taking the opportunity to draft his son!

Here is how id roll.

6th - Damian Lillard

17th - Quincy Miller

21st - Royce White

22nd - Fab Melo

31th - John Jenkins

You've posted this basic idea-- with some minor differences-- in a lot of threads. You might want to copy into your signature (click "settings" and the "edit signature" in the left column) so you don't have to keep posting it. If you do, make sure you eliminate the spaces so it's not a really long signature.

DashGlobal
06-18-2012, 12:25 PM
4 first round picks? What a realistic scenario.

Some of you guys need to understand that this isnt a video game.

Obviously it is unlikely to happen. But not because it cant or the trades are unreasonable.

Portland could easily trade their 6 & 11 for 2.

Charlotte could easily "buy" a mid round pick esp if they throw in some extra incentives.

And it isnt a stretch to think Boston would trade two late firsts for a lottery pick.

Honestly I am hoping for 2 - 3 first round picks. 4 and id be the happiest guy on the planet.

MadBOBCATfanUK
06-18-2012, 02:12 PM
stockpiling picks is all good but do we really want to become Washington. I don't really want 3 sophomores (if you include Mullens) and 5 rookies (including second rounder) being led by either Antawn Jamison or Corey Maggette. And on another note how are the FO going to find roster spots for these guys?

DashGlobal
06-18-2012, 02:20 PM
stockpiling picks is all good but do we really want to become Washington. I don't really want 3 sophomores (if you include Mullens) and 5 rookies (including second rounder) being led by either Antawn Jamison or Corey Maggette. And on another note how are the FO going to find roster spots for these guys?

I want young talented players that we can build our future on.

Period.

We are at minimum 3 years away from contenting for a title, and that is assuming we suck it up the next 2 years and hopefully land a all star franchise player.

Ideally I would like to stockpile young talent that will develop and mature over the next 2-3 years then land a all star and be in great shape for the playoffs ect.

mrtarheel
06-18-2012, 02:28 PM
I say if we hire Shaw and install the triangle, trading for Ariza and the #10 would be a plus. He has played in the offense before and that #10 pick wouldn't hurt. Then I would trade the #2 and Hendo for #5, Tyreke Evans and Honeycutt from Sac. Evans is no Jordan but he is a scorer. Take Drummond at #5. He isn't justified at #2 but #5 he would be welcomed. Then try getting the #14 and #16 for #10 and take Barton and Harkless or Miller. Later on when DJ can be traded I think he needs to go because it would be hard becoming the backup when you were the starter. Try sending him to NO for Jack, sign Jamison and start from there. Oh and amnesty Mags

Walker, Jack, Carrol( waiting to expire)
Evans, Williams, Barton
Ariza, Honeycutt, Harkless or Miller
TT, Jamison, Royce White #31
Biz, Drummond, Mullens

superb1
06-18-2012, 04:47 PM
I want young talented players that we can build our future on.

Period.

We are at minimum 3 years away from contenting for a title, and that is assuming we suck it up the next 2 years and hopefully land a all star franchise player.

Ideally I would like to stockpile young talent that will develop and mature over the next 2-3 years then land a all star and be in great shape for the playoffs ect.

I like your optimism. But we don't have a great record of developing our young talent effectively

DashGlobal
06-18-2012, 05:16 PM
I like your optimism. But we don't have a great record of developing our young talent effectively

Developing is prob the wrong statement as most players I want already have skills and would just need NBA experience to get better.

The only type of player Id want that needed to be developed would be a big with a lot of potential ie Drummond.

Regardless, our only way to get to where we want will be through the draft so it doesnt matter our past history with developing players.

MadBOBCATfanUK
06-18-2012, 05:31 PM
Developing is prob the wrong statement as most players I want already have skills and would just need NBA experience to get better.

The only type of player Id want that needed to be developed would be a big with a lot of potential ie Drummond.

Regardless, our only way to get to where we want will be through the draft so it doesnt matter our past history with developing players.

They'd still need development and training to add to their game, but putting that amount of young players on one team in such a short space of time is a toxic environment. Look at OKC they only really added 2 players a year max, one player started and was bought along quickly whilst the other was given his time to find his feet. With the amount of young talent you'd be adding there would be no way to develop them all at once.

superb1
06-18-2012, 05:53 PM
They'd still need development and training to add to their game, but putting that amount of young players on one team in such a short space of time is a toxic environment. Look at OKC they only really added 2 players a year max, one player started and was bought along quickly whilst the other was given his time to find his feet. With the amount of young talent you'd be adding there would be no way to develop them all at once.

I agree, unless we get a coach and staff that develop and coach players up, we would be in good shape.

DashGlobal
06-18-2012, 06:09 PM
They'd still need development and training to add to their game, but putting that amount of young players on one team in such a short space of time is a toxic environment. Look at OKC they only really added 2 players a year max, one player started and was bought along quickly whilst the other was given his time to find his feet. With the amount of young talent you'd be adding there would be no way to develop them all at once.

Young talent is better than older over priced mediocre players. Period.

Should be no reason why the FO cant find a capable coach to develop our players.

OKC is not a good example because they have 2 superstars and one that is looking like he will be an All Star as well.

We need to suck and tank until we land an All Star franchise player.

Id rather watch us lose with young talented players than boring scrubs.

DashGlobal
06-18-2012, 06:10 PM
Pretty much id be looking to get rid over everyone not named Kemba and Biz.