New Jerseys!

[ncstamey]

http://store.nba.com/search/index.jsp?kwCatId=&kw=2012%20nba%20draft&origkw=2012+nba+draft&f=Taxonomy/NBA/2836124&sr=1


shirts and hats for every other team except the one with the highest percentage chance to land the #1 pick. I know we are terrible and all but that's weird, right? :confused:

[JGib23]

Insert conspiracy theory

TheBobcats merchandise at the team store is 60% off of everything. Coupled with the rumor from near the end of the season about the team store not ordering any new merchandise.

That is weird, just an oversight I guess. I was hoping it was because they are redesigning the logo and don't want to give it away but, all those hats and shirts are pretty generic.

[Veteran_Picksetter]

I checked out the link. That is creepy.....

[ncstamey]

yea, that's kinda what I thought pretty generic design for that stuff so why leave the Bobcats out? I guess maybe they just think no one would buy it? Whether or not the name change thing is gonna happen- it ain't gonna change before next month's draft.

[BlockParty]

My guess is MJ (and his fashion Empire at Jordan Brand) have figured out a way to introduce more Bobcats gear under the Jordan Brand name (which the NBA can't sell for two reasons-Adidas won't allow it, and MJ won't share the profits).

Last year 2011-12 there was probably a 75% increase in Jordan gear in the Team Store from the prior season (and that doesn't even include the shoes). One thing Jordan has always done well is finding the right people to run his apparel business.

[ncstamey]

My guess is MJ (and his fashion Empire at Jordan Brand) have figured out a way to introduce more Bobcats gear under the Jordan Brand name (which the NBA can't sell for two reasons-Adidas won't allow it, and MJ won't share the profits).

I could see that being the case with a lack of Bobcats merch on NBA.com in general for sure, but it still doesn't answer why there's not a draft day hat on there. It's not like whoever the Cats draft is gonna walk up and put on some Jordan Brand hat while every other team has the same generic team hat made by adidas... or maybe so... it just seems unlikely.

Out of curiosity, I've emailed the NBA store asking how I could acquire one and why there aren't any. I'll post their response here if I get an email back, for anyone interested.

[JGib23]

I also tweeted the @bobcats, @NBA, @bobcatspr asking for some info on why it wasn't listed and when it would available and haven't gotten a response.

I'll also post any response I get.

I hope that even if it's not a full rebrand, maybe they change the colors and logo.....wishful thinking I'm sure they will have the oversight corrected soon.

On a side note, I'm pretty sure the Jordan Brand Bobcats stuff is only available at the team store so, that doesn't help the bottom line very much.

I can't believe that MJ hasn't launched a shoe with Bobcats colorways to try and increase Bobcats merchandise sales (last in the NBA)... I guess that research shows that it's not a popular color and would be hard to market even with a JUMPMAN on it......edit he has launched some Bobcats color ways and they are hideous. They were wore in the latest Jordan Brand Classic. Yuck

[EvetsMorrison15]

they're changing their color scheme. quote me!

[GOBOBCATS24]

The last time that this happened we changed the Jersey designs. I am sure that this has something to do with this. Otherwise our Merch would not be 60% off

[bes628]

yeah something is changing...logo, colors, jersey...name.....something dammit.

[JGib23]

yeah something is changing...logo, colors, jersey...name.....something dammit.

More conspiracy from me....

Ok, so 2 years ago when MJ was taking over the rebrand topic was popular back then as well. A lot of people were suggesting Cougars as the name if choice ( if we couldn't get the Hornets name back)

What if, we are rebranding to Cougars?
The merchandise from the throwbacks was soooo much better than Bobcats.

While I still prefer Hornets by a wide margin over anything else. Cougars would be a nice compromise and I would actually buy Cougars gear ( if they used the color scheme they used for the throwbacks (Or anything but pumpkin orange and faded out navy blue)

I hope that something is happening and it's not just a website error.

[bes628]

More conspiracy from me....

Ok, so 2 years ago when MJ was taking over the rebrand topic was popular back then as well. A lot of people were suggesting Cougars as the name if choice ( if we couldn't get the Hornets name back)

What if, we are rebranding to Cougars?
The merchandise from the throwbacks was soooo much better than Bobcats.

While I still prefer Hornets by a wide margin over anything else. Cougars would be a nice compromise and I would actually buy Cougars gear ( if they used the color scheme they used for the throwbacks (Or anything but pumpkin orange and faded out navy blue)

I hope that something is happening and it's not just a website error.

eh.."the cougars" just reminds me of a group of older women looking for young meat.

[JGib23]

eh.."the cougars" just reminds me of a group of older women looking for young meat.

Sad that - that is better than what Bobcats remind me of.

Hopefully we will get some exciting news from the team soon ( in addition to Davis)

[ncstamey]

I'm thinking it does make sense, now that MJ is totally in the drivers seat we'd have an 'attractive' color scheme/logo etc. The owner of our team is the same guy who's shoes sell out in 15 min at $150 a clip. I'm sure he's got guys on the payroll who's job it is to make the Bobcats as 'fashonable' as the old school Hornets gear or any other team for that matter. Honestly I'd like to see it just tweaked version that keeps all the same basic colors and end all the name debate. I'd like to know the bobcats jersey I buy today isn't gonna be donated to Goodwill tomorrow. Its all just a distraction to what's happening on the court any way. Get a winning squad with good young talent wearing Jordan shoes and the Bobcat brand will be MORE popular than throwback Hornets gear. People in CA will be wearing that shit. That's what the Hornets were all about to us anyway... They put Charlotte on the map and all the locals loved it.

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[JGib23]

I love it when people say all we need to do is win...like we haven't been trying that for 8 seasons.

Winning is fucking hard.

Back to the topic of the thread:
The Bobcats draft stuff is not only missing from the link above but, also from other parts of the site. For example, you can click any other team and then click hats and the 2012 draft hat is available for every other team... Starting to think it was more than an oversight on the website.

Great find

[Dcarnys]

I love it when people say all we need to do is win...like we haven't been trying that for 8 seasons.

Winning is fucking hard.

Back to the topic of the thread:
The Bobcats draft stuff is not only missing from the link above but, also from other parts of the site. For example, you can click any other team and then click hats and the 2012 draft hat is available for every other team... Starting to think it was more than an oversight on the website.

Great find

Quite honestly and to be fair, we probably only tried to "win" in 3 and a half seasons. (2008, 2009, 2010 and half of 2011).
Either way I'm pretty exited to see how this all turns out, new Jerseys, re brand whatever. We hopefully will find out at the lottery and definetly before the draft.

[ziggy]

eh.."the cougars" just reminds me of a group of older women looking for young meat.

If they are renamed the Cougars, would they replace the Ladycats with women like this?

http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w301/bobcatsplanet/imagesqtbnANd9GcQYn-M5ooc1ir4dL-fYS.jpg

[ncstamey]

I love it when people say all we need to do is win...like we haven't been trying that for 8 seasons.

Winning is fucking hard.

Just to be clear on my comments about 'winning', I probably should have used the word competitive. What i am trying to say is if you market a competitive team properly ESPECIALLY with Michael Jordan as the owner, the Bobcats brand will stand on its own. If people are excited about the team, they can make all the colors/mascot/etc popular w/o rebranding.

And I like the idea of a makeover or change in color scheme vs rebrand... Maybe like more blue (an actual blue that exsists outside the team would be nice) and/or grey with just orange accents.

Also it's kinda funny they are having this event tonight and the team store is like 40-60% off everything and then they'll change everything up the next day.

[Mustachio]

This is weird, but the timing makes me think its more of a mistake than anything. We are about to be bombarded with publicity ("Bobcats win number 1/Anthony Davis!" or "Bobcats Bad Luck Strikes again") So why would we be changing our colors this season, but still have Anthony Davis walk across the stage and hold up our old jersey? Because there is no way that A) they kept it quiet. B) they had it ready in time for the draft tonight.

Unless of course this is the best kept secret in sports, and Anthony Davis will not only be a Bobcat, but walk across stage and for the first time publicly unveil the new look design. If thats the case, then the Bobcats win best marketing group of the century. It just doesnt seem likely. With the Bobcats luck, I'm much more inclined to think the website just straight up forgot about us.

[John Morgan]

This kind of makes me nervous. Obviously, I'm a massive fan of the Hornets-rebrand. I'm not one of the 'change it or I'm done' crowd (I'll be there opening night regardless), but I know a lot of people that are in that camp. If, after all of the positive local/regional buzz (sue me ;) ) this whole 'Hornets 2.0' thing has generated, they do go through all of the time and expense of a rebrand, and it's to something OTHER than the Hornets, to me, it would come across as yet another out-of-touch decision from an organization that has made a tradition out of treating its fans as though they're an afterthought.

I'd just hate to see something like this backfire, ESPECIALLY if we don't land AD. Nothing would be worse than a rebrand that lacks any community support coupled with another horrific season. Local interest would drop from 'tepid' to 'nonexistent'.

Of course, this is all 100% conjecture. I'm betraying my latent lean towards paranoia by even commenting on the subject. In any event, go RICH! Bring that #1 ball back home to the QC :D

[ncstamey]

t A) they kept it quiet. B) they had it ready in time for the draft tonight.

the draft isn't until June 28th so there's plenty of time to announce/debut a new design before then. Tonight will just be a bunch of dudes in suits standing around. No Bobcats apparel necessary.

[ncstamey]

pretty generic/standard response from NBA store:

Dear Nicholas,


Thank you for contacting Customer Service at www.NBAStore.com.

We searched our website to see if we had any Charlotte Bobcats hat
and/or shirts available for the 2012 Draft. Unfortunately, we do not
carry this item at this time. We operate a real-time inventory system
that updates our web store catalog according to what is available in our
inventory. If an item, size, or color is not available, we remove it
from the Internet store to avoid any confusion. In addition, we are
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[Mustachio]

the draft isn't until June 28th so there's plenty of time to announce/debut a new design before then. Tonight will just be a bunch of dudes in suits standing around. No Bobcats apparel necessary.


Good call. getting a bit ahead of myself over here. Nerves are getting to me. But seriously how cool would that be if we do win #1 tonight. Anthony Davis walking across the stage holding up a brand new Bobcats jersey. Major PR win and major basketball operations win in the same moment.

[JGib23]

@ncstamey- that was a weak/standard response. Why would they not carry that but, carry the same item for every other team..

I guess it does confirm that it wasn't an error on the website, they truly aren't offering it.

Something is going on.
No one from the team, media has responded to any of my tweets.

[SWedd523]

This is weird, but the timing makes me think its more of a mistake than anything. We are about to be bombarded with publicity ("Bobcats win number 1/Anthony Davis!" or "Bobcats Bad Luck Strikes again") So why would we be changing our colors this season, but still have Anthony Davis walk across the stage and hold up our old jersey? Because there is no way that A) they kept it quiet. B) they had it ready in time for the draft tonight.

Unless of course this is the best kept secret in sports, and Anthony Davis will not only be a Bobcat, but walk across stage and for the first time publicly unveil the new look design. If thats the case, then the Bobcats win best marketing group of the century. It just doesnt seem likely. With the Bobcats luck, I'm much more inclined to think the website just straight up forgot about us.
You know the minute we don't get the first pick, ESPN and the like are going to be trashing Jordan AGAIN. They'll be spreading all sorts of shit like "Jordan gambled and lost again" or "Yet another example of MJ's failures as an executive"


And RealGM is going to be filled with:

"Haha what a joke!"

"MJ is a terrible GM!"

"They deserve to miss out on the #1 pick!"

"lolcats suck!"

"contract that joke of a franchise!"

[JGib23]

You know the minute we don't get the first pick, ESPN and the like are going to be trashing Jordan AGAIN. They'll be spreading all sorts of shit like "Jordan gambled and lost again" or "Yet another example of MJ's failures as an executive"


And RealGM is going to be filled with:

"Haha what a joke!"

"MJ is a terrible GM!"

"They deserve to miss out on the #1 pick!"

"lolcats suck!"

"contract that joke of a franchise!"

Yep!

We have a 25% chance of winning and if we don't we will get LeBron level hate

[Mustachio]

You know the minute we don't get the first pick, ESPN and the like are going to be trashing Jordan AGAIN. They'll be spreading all sorts of shit like "Jordan gambled and lost again" or "Yet another example of MJ's failures as an executive"

And RealGM is going to be filled with:
"Haha what a joke!"
"MJ is a terrible GM!"
"They deserve to miss out on the #1 pick!"
"lolcats suck!"
"contract that joke of a franchise!"

I totally agree but in my opinion. The only bad press is obituaries or in our case a contraction notice.

[ND22]

Somewhere, that Bobcats employee who leaked this info months ago is yelling, "AND THEY SAID I WAS CRAZY!"

If its not an error and they really aren't offering it, this sounds like we are changing the logo and/or colors.

[Mustachio]

Just had a semi interesting email exchange with Paul Lukas the guy who runs ESPN's Uni-Watch. Homeboy knows everything about uniforms. I'll just post the exchange.



Paul,

There has been a big movement in Charlotte to get the Bobcats to re-re-brand to the Hornets and New Orleans is wanting a change as well.

A quick trip here to the NBA draft section - http://store.nba.com/search/index.jsp?kwCatId=&kw=2012%20nba%20draft&origkw=2012+nba+draft&f=Taxonomy/NBA/2836124&sr=1
shows nothing about the Charlotte Bobcats, a team that could possibly win number 1 overall.

Couple that with the fact that the Bobcats team store has EVERYTHING 60% off and I'm starting to wonder. I know the team sucked last year and theres a chance that they just want to dump the gear and they know no one will pay full price. But my question to you is, do you know of any re-brand coming down the line. Maybe not the Hornets switch, but just a Bobcats color re-branding and jersey change.

I know you can't go spilling secrets to random fans on the internet, but I will even accept vague ominous hints.

Thanks,
Nic Watson


literally 2 minutes later he responded with


"I know you can't go spilling secrets to random fans on the internet... " No, I can't. I would say that your logic is not far-fetched, however.

hmmmm

[ncstamey]

nice... now I'm getting anxious to know whats going on with this whole thing.

[anton273]

I bet they are waiting to see if we get first pick or not before they announce anything...

First pick and i can see a big push for re-branding or new logo and colours...

If not then keep it the same nothing to get excited over

[Mustachio]

If I had to guess I don't think tonight has anything to do with it. I'm guessing its either a small jersey tweak or a massive complete overhaul of the Bobcats brand. Not switching to the Hornets though, that isn't feasible right now.

My logic is this.

- They want to distance themselves from 7-59 obviously. It may be a small tweak, but you can't go into next season looking exactly like the team that had the worst record of all time.
- They can't get the Hornets name right now, or even for a couple years if New Orleans can't get right. So you have nothing to lose with a Bobcats rebrand. Try one last hail mary attempt to get a color/scheme logo that EVERYONE in the city loves, and if it fails, then there's always the Hornets name change to fall back on in a couple years. If it works and everyone loves it and we get Davis and we become good then they can put the name deal to rest forever.

[DCAWFAN]

Personally i would be more excited if NOLA draft merch wasn't being sold as well. I don't really like the carolina cougars unis or name but it feels like that could be a possibility. They sure did wear those uni's a lot this year. I hope it is the hornets but I think that they wouldn't be selling nola stuff if that was the case. Perhaps the name could be changed to the Charlotte Buzz and it wouldn't be such a bad idea.

[John Morgan]

I also emailed Paul, and his response to me was "haven't heart (sic) nothin'". Either A) he's being coy because he realizes things are heating up on our end and he doesn't wanna spill the beans or B) he really doesn't know anything about anything (which may mean that there really isn't 'anything' to know. Whoa...falling down the rabbit hole...)

Anyway, take it for what it's worth. I'm really interested/nervous to see how it all plays out!

[ND22]

If this is a rebranding, its not to the Hornets or Cougars. That process takes 2 years to complete, therefore taking the Bobcats gear off of NBA.com wouldn't make sense since we would be the Bobcats for another two years. I'll stand by my earlier stance, new logo and/or colors.

[SWedd523]

If this is a rebranding, its not to the Hornets or Cougars. That process takes 2 years to complete, therefore taking the Bobcats gear off of NBA.com wouldn't make sense since we would be the Bobcats for another two years. I'll stand by my earlier stance, new logo and/or colors.
It doesn't necessarily take that long. Ask the Sonics/Thunder

[Mustachio]

It doesn't necessarily take that long. Ask the Sonics/Thunder


Thats true in the case of the Cougars, because Charlotte already owns it. No legal red tape to get through. the process would be easy.

The Hornets case could be easy as well, but only if New Orleans gives the name up and adopts a new nickname that the NBA/New Orleans own the rights to. If they pick a totally new name, then it could take years to settle.

[ND22]

It doesn't necessarily take that long. Ask the Sonics/Thunder

In that case, you're suggesting the Bobcats are leaving town.

[JGib23]

If this is a rebranding, its not to the Hornets or Cougars. That process takes 2 years to complete, therefore taking the Bobcats gear off of NBA.com wouldn't make sense since we would be the Bobcats for another two years. I'll stand by my earlier stance, new logo and/or colors.

Jordan has owned the team for 2 years, he could have started the process then.

We have basically already tried "Bobcats rebrand" once already.
We have changed uniforms
We have changed Font on uniforms and business stationary
we have changed logos

The changes were vast improvements over the original uni, logo, etc. But, it didn't move the meter.

Gotta love Einsteins definition of insanity. It applies perfectly to us continually trying to polish a turd.

[SWedd523]

In that case, you're suggesting the Bobcats are leaving town.
The location of the team has nothing to do with it.

If they wanted to change from the Bobcats to something like the Fart Knockers, they could do it in one offseason. The Hornets could take longer because it's owned already but there is no arbitrary time frame for how long it takes to go through the process.

[JGib23]

It does worry me that the team is possibly making changes but, the N.O. Hornets stuff is available.

I have to admit- I will be happy to dump the Bobcats name, logo, etc but, it would be bittersweet if it's anything other than Hornets.

I hope they don't "F" this up

[BobCatsFanInTx]

I also tweeted the @bobcats, @NBA, @bobcatspr asking for some info on why it wasn't listed and when it would available and haven't gotten a response.

I'll also post any response I get.

I hope that even if it's not a full rebrand, maybe they change the colors and logo.....wishful thinking I'm sure they will have the oversight corrected soon.

On a side note, I'm pretty sure the Jordan Brand Bobcats stuff is only available at the team store so, that doesn't help the bottom line very much.

I can't believe that MJ hasn't launched a shoe with Bobcats colorways to try and increase Bobcats merchandise sales (last in the NBA)... I guess that research shows that it's not a popular color and would be hard to market even with a JUMPMAN on it......edit he has launched some Bobcats color ways and they are hideous. They were wore in the latest Jordan Brand Classic. YuckOrange works for several other teams and I can not see that as the reason. As a Broncos fan who spent my youth in Colorado I can say that Orange is a color that does fairly well in product sells. Maybe not top ten when the Broncos are losing but that is understandable. The Broncos are going back to the Orange jerseys by the way. The other NFL teams who have incorporated some Orange have held their own in merchandise sales. If our team was winning and had a better logo you would see more merchandise sold and more product in stores and on line. The OKC Thunder are not thought to be one of the better looking teams but due to winning they are a team that I would bet anything sells more than a respectable amount of team related merchandise.

On a side note I still prefer what the city had when the Hornets were there. Of coarse if you were to change the team name to the Hornets but retain Bobcats colors I would bet the team would sell more merchandise than they currently do. Not that I want to see that because I want the old look Hornets back. Just making an assumption.

[ND22]

The location of the team has nothing to do with it.

If they wanted to change from the Bobcats to something like the Fart Knockers, they could do it in one offseason. The Hornets could take longer because it's owned already but there is no arbitrary time frame for how long it takes to go through the process.

Oh okay. I was under the impression it would take two years, like that was the official time frame for every name change.

[JGib23]

I get your point on Orange, I think it can be successful but, our choice of colors (the shade of Orange and the shade of Blue) are bad they are washed out and faded looking.

In this city, and everywhere in the world really, the Bobcats merchandise will never perform better than Charlotte Hornets gear.

The Charlotte Hornets actually led the entire NBA in merchandise sales for 2 seasons, I honestly can never see the Bobcats merchandise leading the league.

I would love to see a comparison for merchandise sales for this past season between Charlotte Hornets and Charlotte Bobcats.... I would imagine the Charlotte Hornets sold considerably more merchandise and really the only thing they sold for that brand was hats and a few shirts and jackets.

[Wolfpackbobcat]

Wasn't teal a pretty popular color in the 90's

[JGib23]

Wasn't teal a pretty popular color in the 90's

Yes and in 2012- see all the Charlotte Hornet throwback gear basically everywhere.

[Deadshot]

I haven't read through every post in the thread but after reading what I have, I want to remind everyone that Benson doesn't technically own the Hornets until July anyway. So the league still owns them for now (which could slow down any name change, regardless if the Hornet name came back here or not). Now I'm sure the NBA could mutually agree on some measures to expedite the process if both sides so desire...

[JGib23]

Very true.

Although it got a step closer today as the Governor of Louisiana signed into law a bill for money to renovate the N.O. Arena and keep the team in N.O.

That had to be signed before Benson can be approved as owner... It's been speculated that Benson will be approved at the Board of Governors meeting next month

[Bosnian-Bobcats-Fan]

That is really weird i think it might be a color change...maybe even a jersey change. I doubt it would be a name change but if anything i think it's most likely a color change. We'll see though.

[ammofan]

If this is a rebranding, its not to the Hornets or Cougars. That process takes 2 years to complete, therefore taking the Bobcats gear off of NBA.com wouldn't make sense since we would be the Bobcats for another two years. I'll stand by my earlier stance, new logo and/or colors.

If we get a new logo/colors aren't we essentially rebranding? Why not make the new logo a Cougars logo and make the colors red white and blue? What's the difference?


And btw, I fully believe we're rebranding. Personally, I'm still a huge fan of the 'Flight' name but I'd take Cougars as well. We'll see.....but SOMETHING is going to happen this summer I think.

[The Prodigy]

This combined with the Lottery is really getting me excited.

What if they adopted the old Hornets colors but kept the Bobcats name and logo? I would also love to have a black uniform as well. Just throwing ideas out.

Anyway, should be interesting to see how this plays out.

[Potato]

Definitely something fishy with this, I can't wait for tonight!!

[anton273]

I hope it stay Charlotte and not Carolina... 2 hours to know if its going to be worth renewing league pass or not

[BlockParty]

As long as the team is in Charlotte, it has to be Charlotte...that was part of agreement w/ NBA.

[BlockParty]

Curtis Polk, Bobcats Vice Chairman and MJ's right hand man looks to be wearing an Orange tie tonight.

https://twitter.com/MattRochinski/status/207963045765464066/photo/1/large

[ammofan]

Curtis Polk, Bobcats Vice Chairman and MJ's right hand man looks to be wearing an Orange tie tonight.

https://twitter.com/MattRochinski/status/207963045765464066/photo/1/large

I mean, we are still the Bobcats.

[BlockParty]

I mean, we are still the Bobcats.

Tada...besides, BCP is so powerful now, MJ would have to get Ziggy's blessing for any name changes.

[SWedd523]

As long as the team is in Charlotte, it has to be Charlotte...that was part of agreement w/ NBA.
I knew Charlotte had to be in the name per part of the deal with the new team, but I assume that stipulation runs out when the arena lease runs out as well.

Anybody care to clarify?

[BlockParty]

I knew Charlotte had to be in the name per part of the deal with the new team, but I assume that stipulation runs out when the arena lease runs out as well.

Anybody care to clarify?

Correct, though if Cats are still in town, a new lease would have to be negotiated

Lease is for 25 years (20 years if team is not viable), even though the buy-out scales down as time passes.


January 6, 2003
Council Workshop & Citizens Hearing
Minutes Book 118, Page 784
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including their obligation to perform all front house services, such as ticketing, marketing,
booking, etc. You do not have the Operating Agreement as that is the agreement we are currently
working on. The Operating Agreement also covers the Authority's right to perform the back of
house service, maintenance, events, changeovers, etc. and it covers the City's grant of naming
rights to the team. Consistent with what we talked about in the MOA it provides that the
operator gets to retain all revenues from sponsorships, naming rights, ticket sales, etc. and the
operator is also responsible for funding any losses. It provides that the word "Charlotte" will be
in the team, it also provides that the operator will cooperate with the City in scheduling special
events that are important to us like the CIAA Tournament, NCAA Tournament, the ACC and
other events.

Read more at http://charmeck.org/city/charlotte/CityClerk/CouncilRelated/Documents/01_06_03min.pdf

Search for '25 years'

[SWedd523]

Yeah I knew most of that, just wasn't able to commit to the name being required for the full term. For some reason I had it in my head that it was only 10 years. Appreciate the info. +1



p.s. count me as one who prefers "Carolina" over "Charlotte"

p.p.s. I'm not in the "Change to the Hornets" camp, but I don't, nor ever will, own anything in Bobcats orange. The blue sure. But that Orange is just something I don't think I could pull off. Though I don't know if that's a subliminal thing because I'm a Gamecock.

[TattoodCats4life]

Where is the chat?!

[CatNation1]

well back to reality. i guess its because they knew it was pointless sink costs into worthless bobcats merchandise

[McBeastie]

497


'adidas Charlotte Bobcats 2012 NBA Snapback Draft Cap'


They had the hats made, so I'm not sure why they pulled them. Hmmmm :g:

[JGib23]

Where did u find that? See if u can find a picture of the back, the logo is above the SnapBack on the other teams... Maybe they tweaked the logo.

I'm just guessing at this point

[Black]

Where did u find that? See if u can find a picture of the back, the logo is above the SnapBack on the other teams... Maybe they tweaked the logo.

I'm just guessing at this point

It's here: http://www.google.com/imgres?um=1&hl=en&safe=off&sa=N&rlz=1C1CHFX_enUS453US453&biw=1137&bih=616&tbm=isch&tbnid=aIqqQaDVDUBuXM:&imgrefurl=http://sportsstore.usatoday.com/Charlotte-Bobcats-adidas-2012-Authentic-NBA-Draft-Snapback-Hat-_1498998125_PD.html&docid=WlX2Fp8VtwKFVM&itg=1&imgurl=http://c-product.images.dreamsretail.com/32-44/32-44711-1-Y.jpg&w=400&h=250&ei=77bHT6P3Doj69QStuvWsDw&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=582&vpy=154&dur=1507&hovh=177&hovw=284&tx=122&ty=138&sig=101528477391344909577&page=1&tbnh=106&tbnw=169&start=0&ndsp=18&ved=1t:429,r:3,s:0,i:80

But when you go to the actual page, it isn't available. Very odd.

[JGib23]

Ok... I just got kicked in the nuts.

So I google
Adidas Charlotte bobcats 2012 draft hat SnapBack

The first link is fansedge website and it doesn't offer a picture and says it's not available
The next link is Dicks sporting goods.. It says item # XXXXX is not available and offers a "did you mean item #yyyy link

I'll let you click the link for the item they think is what you were searching for (click on the numbers beside "did u mean")
http://www.dickssportinggoods.com/search/noResults.jsp?kw=12684813

[Black]

Ok... I'm just got kicked in the nuts.

So I google
Adidas Charlotte bobcats 2012 draft hat SnapBack

The first link is fansedge website and it doesn't offer a picture and says it's not available
The next link is Dicks sporting goods.. It says item # XXXXX is not available and offers a "did you mean item #yyyy link

I let you click the link for the item they think is what you were searching for
http://www.dickssportinggoods.com/search/noResults.jsp?kw=12684813

Such bullshit.

[McBeastie]

Who knows, but just from that picture it doesn't look like the same dull blue we've been using. On the brim, maybe, but even that looks a bit more like a Carolina-ish blue. The body of it looks like the blue they used for the old alternates;

498

Even so, those are such small changes I don't see why they'd take them down across every vendor website.. Guess we'll find out on draft night.

[JGib23]

McBeastie- I thought the same thing on the shade of blue.

It also weird that they are taken down across every vendors- you could rack up the original omission on the NBA store as a mistake but, the fact that they aren't available on any website makes it seem like more than an careless omission by some summer intern at the NBA.

[McBeastie]

The only other time I can recall a Bobcats cap being taken down across different sites was with these Mitchell & Ness Cougars (http://www.fansedge.com/Carolina-Cougars-MN-ABA-Classic-Logo-2-Tone-Snapback-Hat-_833832428_PD.html) fitteds/snapbacks.

499

They were available online for less than week before they got pulled, and we ended up going with the cardinal red/carolina blue scheme. M&N ended up making another blue/green one, but without any ABA logos (http://www.mitchellandness.com/Products/Carolina-Cougars-ABA-Basic-Logo-Fitted-Hat__TU40-TPC-5COUGA.aspx).

Still no clue what it means for these draft caps, but it's always fun to speculate :biggrin: hah.

[SWedd523]

I wish they would get rid of every team's draft cap. Do the same for the NFL.

Don't think I've seen a good looking one yet

[bes628]

That blue is definitely different. More of a royal blue.

[teej]

The only other time I can recall a Bobcats cap being taken down across different sites was with these Mitchell & Ness Cougars (http://www.fansedge.com/Carolina-Cougars-MN-ABA-Classic-Logo-2-Tone-Snapback-Hat-_833832428_PD.html) fitteds/snapbacks.

499

They were available online for less than week before they got pulled, and we ended up going with the cardinal red/carolina blue scheme. M&N ended up making another blue/green one, but without any ABA logos (http://www.mitchellandness.com/Products/Carolina-Cougars-ABA-Basic-Logo-Fitted-Hat__TU40-TPC-5COUGA.aspx)

I have one of those. They had them in the team store for a while, I got the last one.

[JGib23]

So @bobcats pr answered one of my tweets tonight (ignoring my logo/color tweet and answering one on the draft)
I immeadietly replied asking again about the draft hat and a possible tweak to colors/logo etc and he won't respond.

[Proudiddy]

So @bobcats pr answered one of my tweets tonight (ignoring my logo/color tweet and answering one on the draft)
I immeadietly replied asking again about the draft hat and a possible tweak to colors/logo etc and he won't respond.

I'm starting to think a redesign or rebrand to a name such as the cougars has been in the works well before people became aware of the "we beelieve" movement... Starting with the rumors about all merch orders at the team store being cancelled and that they weren't stocking anymore gear. Too many signs now, and it won't be to Hornets because 1) New Orleans is still using the name/logo on draft stuff, 2) We aren't going to rebrand/redesign in the same year to the Hornets if it becomes available if we already did so behind closed doors and are waiting to reveal it - would be too costly.

[QC Thundercats]

I'm starting to think a redesign or rebrand to a name such as the cougars has been in the works well before people became aware of the "we beelieve" movement... Starting with the rumors about all merch orders at the team store being cancelled and that they weren't stocking anymore gear. Too many signs now, and it won't be to Hornets because 1) New Orleans is still using the name/logo on draft stuff, 2) We aren't going to rebrand/redesign in the same year to the Hornets if it becomes available if we already did so behind closed doors and are waiting to reveal it - would be too costly.

Yeah, there's too much circumstantial evidence that points to a redesign/rebrand. I actually thought the Cougars look was pretty cool, the colors are unique in using Carolina Blue and Red, and we could have three distinct looks with the color combinations. If they just modernize the logo and uniform design, I think it could become a hit, especially if our draft pick becomes the next superstar.

I still think the Hornets name is in play though. For Adam Silver to be in town to discuss the issue with Jordan was very telling. I don't think NBA executives, especially at the top level, would travel to games to discuss such issues. This made it seem like it was a pressing issue, especially with Benson declaring that they were going to rebrand as soon as he took over. He does have a couple trademarks that were applied for with different nicknames.

I know they still were the Hornets at the lottery, but I think its more because Benson isn't officially the owner yet, and the NBA season is still going on. Once the sale is complete and the season ends, I think all the groundwork may get quick approval, and any word whether we will or won't become the Hornets should come before the draft and all the Unibrow jerseys are printed. Plus, maybe there was a backroom deal between the powers that be, with New Orleans getting Davis and the Hornets name going to us. We shall see though.

[John Morgan]

I know everybody's bummed about Wednesday, but now isn't the time to give up the ghost on the Hornets rebrand. The fact is, the only people truly upset about the goings on of the draft are us 'Cat diehards. The demographic that Mike and the gang are worried about are the people that DON'T care/don't know enough about the state of the franchise to care. Call them fairweather, call them bandwagon...call them whatever you want. The fact is, without huge numbers of just that variety of fan, NO team survives.

I understand that it's become fashionable with some people on the board to dismiss the Hornets thing at this point. Heck, I don't blame y'all...Wednesday truly sucked. Felt like getting kicked in the nuts by the former 'love of your life'. A perfect storm of awfulness. But the numbers don't lie...the vast majority of this town/region's current (and more importantly, potential) fanbase want the Hornets name back, #1 pick or not. If, like some of y'all have speculated, they're going to "Cougars", or something else, for that matter, I can promise you that I'll still buy merch, and I'll still be there opening night. That being said, I feel like it would be a massive missed opportunity to add a real spark to a franchise that desperately needs it. Right or wrong, a whole boatload of would-be fans are excited about this franchise for the first time, and it all rests upon this crazy Hornets proposition. You blow this shot, and you risk losing that coalition. I know how rotten that sounds, and like I said, I'm not considering myself among those numbers, but it's true.

It's all our hope that the team is here for the long haul. The misery of this week will eventually fade. It's my (and apparently, lots of other folks') opinion that a Hornets rebrand, coupled with on-court success, is our best chance to fully realize this franchise's potential. It's our BEST chance to ensure that we have a team to root for in 20 years. If we pass up this opportunity...I don't know. I just hate to think about regretting not pouncing on it when it was there for the taking.

[JGib23]

I've thought about the "Cougars" rebrand aswell. It wouldn't take long because everything is already designed.

I believe "something" is definitely up.

1. All Bobcats merchandise is 60% off in the team store
2. No draft merchandise is available from any vendor, anywhere on the Internet
3. I've tweeted the team and many reporters that cover the team and no one will address or respond

The baseless rumors piece:
1. Last year an employee of the team store posted on Carolina Huddle and said the team store manager said they were not ordering anymore Bobcats merchandise.
2. Real GM had a poster 2 or 3 weeks ago who claimed that he overheard a team executive talking at the WFNZ Charity Golf Tournament that this was going to be one of Rufus the Mascots final appearances.

My baseless speculation:
Up to this point, Tom Benson was due to be approved as owner at the Board of Governors meeting next month....after winning the lottery, the NBA issues a statement that says they are ready to approve Tom Benson via conference call as soon as the lease and financial incentives are approved in NOLA by the Governor of La ( which is expected today or Monday)

Tom Benson was interviewed after the lottery and asked if he has thought about keeping the Hornets name because it brought luck. He laughed it off and said "we brought the luck, we will leave it at that for right now" I interpret the "leave it at that for right now " as "that's all I'll say for right now", not "we will keep the name for right now"

So while I think 100% that something fishy is going on behind the scenes, I have no clue what it means.

[Mustachio]

He laughed it off and said "we brought the luck, we will leave it at that for right now"
.

aka.... we had this number one pick locked down before I signed anything. Shady fucks.

[Black]

Definitely odd that everything is on clearance, and our draft merchandise isn't available when everyone else's is.

[Plowright]

Something is brewing in the distance... it approaches...

[bes628]

I can't wait to see how this turns out. Hopefully good.

[SJackson1]

it will be put on closer to the Draft

[Black]

it will be put on closer to the Draft

Our draft merchandise? Every other team already has their draft gear up.

[SJackson1]

Our draft merchandise? Every other team already has their draft gear up.

something is up lol

[skratch]

If it was an official name change im pretty sure they would do a poll first and not just change the name without fan approval

[Black]

If it was an official name change im pretty sure they would do a poll first and not just change the name without fan approval

Unless it's Hornets.

[ammofan]

If it was an official name change im pretty sure they would do a poll first and not just change the name without fan approval

I actually don't think they would do that.

[John Morgan]

I'm sure you might've seen it before, Skratch, but in case you haven't, here's the poll the Observer did a month or so ago. I know it's far from scientific, but when you're dealing in 80% margins of victory, methodology can generally be tossed out the window ;)

[McBeastie]

501


Nope. Can't do it.


I was against a name change for several reasons, but never because I didn't like the Hornets name. It was a cathartic moment for me, seeing A. Davis in a New Orleans Hornets jersey, though. Now, everything Hornets is dead to me. That's just me. lol


Back to the topic though! Here's the Draft shirt which got pulled. Gray fill? :g:


502

[ncstamey]

What ever happened with those black alternate jerseys I saw pictures of a few months back. You guys see those? That'd be a pretty cool road jersey.

[JGib23]

McBeastie,

Considering it says New Orleans and isn't in Hornets colors (Creole Blue and Gold)- I'm not sure how that picture could have any effect on someone that wants the Hornets back in Charlotte.

If you were in the camp of not liking the name change to begin with, I can understand the anger but, we don't want the New Orleans Hornets with their Gold, Creole Blue and Mardi Gras Beads back in Charlotte we want that Teal & Purple.

As to the draft shirt- good thing they pulled it. I don't like the Gray fill...it would have looked better if the fill was the color of the bill of the hat.

[JGib23]

What ever happened with those black alternate jerseys I saw pictures of a few months back. You guys see those? That'd be a pretty cool road jersey.

They are still available for purchase at the NBA store
http://store.nba.com/product/index.jsp?productId=12660990&cp=1421534.2806547

[ammofan]

501


Nope. Can't do it.


I was against a name change for several reasons, but never because I didn't like the Hornets name. It was a cathartic moment for me, seeing A. Davis in a New Orleans Hornets jersey, though. Now, everything Hornets is dead to me. That's just me. lol


Back to the topic though! Here's the Draft shirt which got pulled. Gray fill? :g:


502

Why would they pull that tho? Makes no sense.

[McBeastie]

It's not the colors on the jersey, or the city. It's the Hornets team, itself, and the player in the jersey. That photo just kind of crystallized how I felt about a change. Whatever feelings I had left for the Hornets were gone.

Again, I was only speaking for myself. I'm not going to say how anyone else should feel about it, because it's all a matter of preference either way.

Anyway, the thing I take away from the pulled cap/shirt is that the faded blue could possibly be out, replaced with the darker blue. Like I said though, if it was a simple swap of the color blue, how is that enough to warrant taking both down across every vendor? Maybe there's an accompanying logo/uniform change? I think the waiting period between new unis is 3 years? Can't remember.

[ammofan]

You can see the logo in this small pic:

http://www.google.com/imgres?q=2012+bobcats+nba+draft+hat&um=1&hl=en&safe=off&sa=N&biw=1366&bih=667&tbm=isch&tbnid=f-O1ZU21UCnWGM:&imgrefurl=http://fanshop.sfgate.com/Bob-Cats-Hats_-819997313_PG.html&docid=EPcau_9z4P4UwM&itg=1&imgurl=http://c-product.images.dreamsretail.com/32-44/32-44711-J.jpg&w=200&h=178&ei=ASvJT6ClJoTegQfVteXXDg&zoom=1&iact=rc&dur=758&sig=102073523594635065459&page=1&tbnh=142&tbnw=160&start=0&ndsp=18&ved=1t:429,r:10,s:0,i:97&tx=84&ty=57

Looks the same as...

http://www.freelogovectors.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/charlotte-bobcats-logo.jpg

....but with a color change.

[ammofan]

To me this is how the logo looks in the little tiny pic I posted above(Excuse the messy photoshop...I just clicked and point with the paint bucket. Might clean this up later)

http://i48.tinypic.com/2wrkci8.png

[Mustachio]

Mcbeastie im sure that pic of ad in a hornets jersey was taken a couple days ago before the lottery. Im sure one of him in a wizards and bobcats jersey are out there somewhere as well. Just slam tryin to get the jump. I hope that photo goes down in infamy like the famous dewey defeats truman newspaper when jordan swoops in for davis

[ammofan]

McBeastie posted this on Twitter:

https://p.twimg.com/AuVUG12CAAMyP13.jpg

And i did this:

https://p.twimg.com/AuVWuAOCAAMZP6Y.png:large

#ThankThePaintBucket

[Dcarnys]

McBeastie posted this on Twitter:

https://p.twimg.com/AuVUG12CAAMyP13.jpg

And i did this:

https://p.twimg.com/AuVWuAOCAAMZP6Y.png:large

#ThankThePaintBucket

I hate it! It just screams what the Cavs did after LeBron left "lets change our logo and jerseys to separate us from bad memories." Only problem is they chose the worst color combination I've ever seen.

[McBeastie]

I'm not so sure either, but if it means no more dull blue I'm down for it. Hopefully the unis have enough orange in them that we won't look like the Grizzlies of the East. Interested to see how far they go with the Silver.

[ammofan]

I'm not so sure either, but if it means no more dull blue I'm down for it. Hopefully the unis have enough orange in them that we won't look like the Grizzlies of the East. Interested to see how far they go with the Silver.

As long as there's no silver spacesuits...

http://www.nba.com/media/spurs/silver_jerseys_061130.jpg

[ncstamey]

I'm down w more grey/silver and less orange. That Spurs jersey above is to far though.

[SWedd523]

I honestly like the way it looks in those MCbeastie and ammofan pics. That should be the secondary though and an updated main logo would be really nice

[bes628]

I think that is a really dope look.

[CatNation1]

So does every other hat and shirt have the correct current team colors and exact logos?

[SWedd523]

ammofan can you mock up some different color combos in that logo? Maybe a navy/gold/black? or a navy/carolina blue/gold? red/black/silver? Or red/carolina blue/white like the cougars throwbacks?

It'd be nice to see how differently it could look.

[ammofan]

ammofan can you mock up some different color combos in that logo? Maybe a navy/gold/black? or a navy/carolina blue/gold? red/black/silver? Or red/carolina blue/white like the cougars throwbacks?

It'd be nice to see how differently it could look.

Yeah I'll do it later. Im gonna go snag some Bojangles real quick, eat....then i'll do it.

[kickazzz2000]

Yeah I'll do it later. Im gonna go snag some Bojangles real quick, eat....then i'll do it.

http://www.simpsonswallpapers.net/wp-content/uploads/wallpapers/homer_drooling_wallpaper_-_800x600.jpg

[ammofan]

As requested by Swedd plus extra. They're messy...but they work just to see how stuff looks. Some of the colors were hard to work with on this logo.

http://i45.tinypic.com/24bwa2w.png

http://i45.tinypic.com/14mzzpj.png

http://i47.tinypic.com/34gn47l.png

http://i48.tinypic.com/2igfup2.png

http://i47.tinypic.com/j9br12.png

Red + Black almost looks like the Cats orange+black. It's not bad tho.

Cougars color scheme was really hard to get to work on this logo.

Hornets looks cool but it doesn't fit the name 'Bobcats'.

Navy/Carolina Blue/Gold looks good. Same with Navy/Black/Gold.

[John Morgan]

Sorry...I know I'm probably the single most biased, impossibly subjective person on this board when it comes to this subject, so it probably renders my crackpot theories totally null and void, but does nobody else look at this and not see an obvious 'interim' design?!? Everything about this screams 'stop gap' to me. If it turns out to be the genuine article (and the hat certainly looks real) the graphic design wunderkinds on Trade Street have basically taken the paint bucket tool and switched orange for silver (for the record, I like it a lot better, but I digress...)

Seems to me like they know they need to move product, somehow, some way. But they're not going to expend too much time and energy on an all-out overhaul. Nah. Because they have bigger and better things in mind for 2013...;)

Sorry again. I've become a full-on, paranoid grassy-knoller in my old age. But honestly...is anybody else seeing this?!?

[ammofan]

Sorry...I know I'm probably the single most biased, impossibly subjective person on this board when it comes to this subject, so it probably renders my crackpot theories totally null and void, but does nobody else look at this and not see an obvious 'interim' design?!? Everything about this screams 'stop gap' to me. If it turns out to be the genuine article (and the hat certainly looks real) the graphic design wunderkinds on Trade Street have basically taken the paint bucket tool and switched orange for silver (for the record, I like it a lot better, but I digress...)

Seems to me like they know they need to move product, somehow, some way. But they're not going to expend too much time and energy on an all-out overhaul. Nah. Because they have bigger and better things in mind for 2013...;)

Sorry again. I've become a full-on, paranoid grassy-knoller in my old age. But honestly...is anybody else seeing this?!?

If they have to move gear...why would they rebrand themselves with color and have to put out all new stuff? That doesn't make sense to me. If your expecting to rebrand to the Hornets in 2 years, why bother changing the colors of your current logo? Now you have to get a court, uniforms, merchandise, arena decor, etc.

[John Morgan]

That's the thing, though. They're going to put out new merchandise, anyway. Something as subtle as an orange/silver swap doesn't really seem all that major to me when it comes to the things you just mentioned, but it would possibly be enough to salvage merchandise sales for a season or two.

Maybe I'm jumping the gun. I'm just kinda giddy because I've spent the past 3 days half-expecting a 'Cougars' rebrand ;)

[McBeastie]

So does every other hat and shirt have the correct current team colors and exact logos?

I checked the draft hats of every other team. Some teams used their primary logo, others used their secondary, but whichever they chose, they all had their correct colorings. They might appear brighter/darker depending on your monitor.

The only team with outright color changes was the Bobcats. The orange side of the face changed from orange to silver, basketball from silver to orange. Inner circle from orange to Carolina blue, etc.

[McBeastie]

That's kinda grasping for straws. We went over it in the Hornets forum, merch sales are split among the 30 teams. Any dramatic increase in merch sales they'd only see 1/30th of. So if they doubled sales from $50mil to $100mil that's still only around $2-3 million extra in profit, and that was for a Hornets rebrand. They aren't going to reach those figures with a re-colored Bobcats logo. They don't need to salvage their sales when they'll reap the reward$ of the Nets rebrand too. I just don't see Charlotte Hornets happening anymore. What I take from this is that they're focused on refining the Bobcats brand.

[John Morgan]

I understand the revenue sharing thing. I also feel like as far as 'sweeping changes' go, this is little more than a couple brush strokes. I read earlier that you've been against the rebrand from the start, so you're probably about as objective in your approach to this as I am ;) But you're on-point with your reasoning and you're respectful and all that, so...yeah. One of those 'agree to disagree' sorts of things.

I will predict, however, that if this is what is offered as the bold, 'fresh start' everybody's been clamoring for, it stands a good chance of being greeted with a resounding 'thud' amongst an agitated (at best), nonexistent/apathetic (at worst) fanbase.

[JGib23]

I just don't see Charlotte Hornets happening anymore. What I take from this is that they're focused on refining the Bobcats brand.

If New Orleans rebrands, I don't see the NBA just letting the Hornets brand go away (the retro fad will be over soon). Would the NBA really allow Bobcats merchandise to consistently rank dead last in the NBA in Merchandise, when they could grow revenue by maybe 20-30 million a year with a brand that has been popular around the world twice now? I just can't see the NBA letting such a popular brand die at the detriment of the entire league.

At the end of the day it's a business decision not only for MJ but, for the league. Why else would Adam Silver come to Charlotte and discuss the Hornets name with MJ?

If the Bobcats brand was popular or had ever moved merchandise I don't think the NBA would care but, as you said Merchandise is split evenly among teams, so a poor performing brand effects every owners pocketbook.

I'm not saying the league will strong-arm MJ into changing but, it may be in the leagues best interest to assist financially if that was MJs major impediment to changing (which has been offered as a reason every time the subject has been addressed by MJ)

Now to the new color design of the cat... Horrible..
The mock up that one of the posters did on his computer is soooooo much better.(the one with the blue face instead of Silver)....

Why can a fan on a damn message board do so much better than an NBA marketing team?

[McBeastie]

No worries, man. :D

I think the thing to keep in mind is we still don't know anything for certain yet. I think they pulled the merch to keep the re-colored logo from leaking, but there's also the possibility they scrapped the designs altogether. We just don't know right now, until the team makes a statement or until June 28th when we see our draft pick with the finished product!

[SWedd523]

http://i47.tinypic.com/34gn47l.png
This one has a lot of potential. Could you do the white part of the face in black maybe and keep the white circle? Or maybe play around with it to your taste.
http://i48.tinypic.com/2igfup2.png
Probably my favorite. I think it might look better with a more yellow gold than a faded/vegas gold, or maybe just change the basketball to a white color? Not sure, but the combo looks good to me. I bet it would look on jerseys as well.
http://i47.tinypic.com/j9br12.png
This one is pretty badass too. If the orange had been that color from the start, they'd be in good shape. Really dark blue jerseys and that orange would pop and look super nice

[JGib23]

As requested by Swedd plus extra. They're messy...but they work just to see how stuff looks. Some of the colors were hard to work with on this logo.


http://i48.tinypic.com/2igfup2.png



Hornets looks cool but it doesn't fit the name 'Bobcats'. ( the colors aren't the true teal and purple but, agree it doesn't fit on a bobcat)

Navy/Carolina Blue/Gold looks good. Same with Navy/Black/Gold.

I love the Navy, Carolina Blue and Gold

[bes628]

I like the Cougars one but it reminds me of the Clippers. navy blue/gold/ carolina is eh.

[CatNation1]

maybe im just desperate for some kind of change but they all look better than the one we have to me.

[JGib23]

maybe im just desperate for some kind of change but they all look better than the one we have to me.

Agreed, what really sux is everyone of those looks better than our current but, they also look better than what may be the "new" colors as well.

[McBeastie]

I could definitely see some unique looks using the 'new' colors. I like the colors more than I like how they look in that particular logo, I guess is the best way to describe it for me right now lol, but it's growing on me. I think they went with the silver face because a Carolina blue would've made it too similar to Memphis' current logo.

That Navy/Carolina/Gold mock is pretty nice too. Reminds me of the Hounds logo a bit, haha.

[JGib23]

Any of u guys good enough to rework the home court with new logo & colors

[DCAWFAN]

The Navy and blue looks very similar to the new charlotte mll team colors (Charlotte Hounds).
http://www.charlottehounds.com/

[JGib23]

I also wonder what this means for the jerseys?

Do we finally flush those dingy blue uniforms down the drain?
I would also like to see the side panels of the jerseys have an alternate color vs all blue or all white.

[QC Thundercats]

I also wonder what this means for the jerseys?

Do we finally flush those dingy blue uniforms down the drain?
I would also like to see the side panels of the jerseys have an alternate color vs all blue or all white.

Blue and orange could look pretty damn good if the faded denim blue was replaced with navy. I actually wouldn't mind keeping the general color scheme if we dressed like this:

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2012/0130/ncb_u_scott_d1_400.jpg

I think thats a pretty sharp and classy look.

A couple further thoughts and insight into the color/brand mystery. I really don't think Silver's visit was a minor one at all. On his profile at NBA.com:


NBA Entertainment’s Global Merchandising Group – responsible for the product development, merchandising, licensing, sales development, e-commerce, retail, and direct-to-consumer initiatives of the NBA and WNBA – has seen record growth during Silver’s tenure, and sales of NBA and WNBA merchandise exceeded $3 billion at retail last year.

Silver has consistently been named one of the 100 Most Influential People in Sports by BusinessWeek, the Sporting News and the SportsBusiness Journal. He has also been recognized by Time Magazine and CNN on their list of Global Business Influentials, which features 20 of the world’s leading corporate executives.He's a much bigger name and more influential than I realized. I seriously doubt he would fly down to Charlotte to discuss swapping the silver and orange in our logo, and changing the shades of blue. A change to new colors or jerseys would simply have been applied for by the team a year or so ago, and would have been approved inconspicuously by a letter or conference call.

Maybe the draft hat and shirt that were pulled were unfinished test products that weren't meant to be put anywhere online. But having the #2 NBA executive come to your last game to speak directly with your owner about your identity would seem to be much more involving than a color modification.

As for the revenue sharing for merchandising, I think Silver's visit is actually more telling. Look at the quote above, he is in charge of NBA merchandising and has overseen incredible record growth in sales. He is probably always looking for ways to increase revenue across the league, and a full rebrand to the Charlotte Hornets would make perfect logical sense.

By not changing our brand, or simply just changing colors, there likely would be a very negligible effect in our merchandise sales, here and especially league wide. But a major rebranding of 3 franchises this summer would make an incredible splash for league-wide revenue.


The Brooklyn Nets rebrand is killing in sales, shooting their team to the top of the charts in overall team merchandise sales from probably the bottom 1/4 of the league.
The Charlotte Hornets retro gear is flying off the shelves, and an official rebrand would suddenly take us from last place into the top 5 or higher in merchandise sales.
A rebrand for New Orleans would already bring excitement and increased sales, as such a thing always does. But a combination of a brand new identity along with Anthony Davis - I'm pretty certain his jersey will be a top seller by the end of the summer - their merchandise sales would go through the roof into the top 5 from their current position at the bottom of the heap.

Silver is very smart and knows how to make money. By taking 3 bottom selling teams into the top 5 of the league in merchandise sales will probably make the league $200-300 million, versus just standing pat and getting a smaller boost with just the Nets rebrand. What business doesn't make that choice?

One more interesting thing about the man known as Silver:


Silver was an executive producer of the IMAX (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMAX) movie "Michael Jordan to the Max," as well as the TNT documentary, Whatever Happened to Micheal Ray? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whatever_Happened_to_Micheal_Ray%3F) He also worked on the production side of "Like Mike" and "Year of the Yao."It seems he's earned a lot of money from Jordan's name in the past. Maybe as a favor, he won't charge the team any rebranding fees and will make the timeline for a change happen in just one offseason.

I could be dead wrong, but it would shock me if a color shift was all this was about.

[McBeastie]

Silver has had meetings with Jordan throughout his tenure as owner, so his visit back in April wasn't anything out of the norm. It wasn't a meeting exclusively about a rebrand. That was just one of the topics he anticipated would come up when Bonnell asked him directly about it. He also said that MJ's ownership group had been making all the right moves from a business standpoint, and that criticism of him and his staff was unfounded. So I don't believe he viewed the situation as dire, or one where the league would need to step in to do any business favors for him.

To me it seems like he would support Jordan in whatever decision he made regarding the brand, not push anything onto him. If Silver did suggest Charlotte Hornets to MJ, and MJ responds a month later with re-designed Charlotte Bobcats gear? I think that's at least an indicator of which way he's leaning.

But the hat and shirt were not test products. I don't think they'd post 29 finished products, and an unfinished Bobcats. They were finished designs that were posted for sale along with the other teams, then taken down, presumably because they leaked the new colors. These are the direct links to the FansEdge store image files, which are still in their database even though the items are no longer available.

Draft Cap:
View 1: http://c-product.images.fansedge.com/32-44/32-44711-F.jpg
View 2: http://c-product.images.fansedge.com/32-44/32-44711-1-F.jpg
View 3: http://c-product.images.fansedge.com/32-44/32-44711-2-F.jpg

Draft Shirt:
View 1: http://c-product.images.fansedge.com/32-44/32-44681-F.jpg

[ncstamey]

I actually like how those colors look but I'll be interested to see how it translates to the uniforms

[CLTHornCats]

If you go to FansEdge.com, nearly every piece of Bobcats clothing or hats is on clearance. I checked a few other teams' sites and it's not that way. This appears to be a new design that will be implemented in everything. Seems very odd that team is changing logo/uniform/color design for the third time in its short history. What's even more bizarre is that it's such a minor change. I don't hate it, but it doesn't blow me away either.

If I had to guess, this is the end of the Hornets scuttlebutt. Even if they name becomes available, why would you spend the money to tweak things again in a year or two? Then again, they keep changing things every few years anyway so I guess anything is possible.

[Black]

The Charlotte Bobcats appear to be contemplating a change to their uniform colors, but a team spokesman says that has nothing to do with a potential nickname change.

Pictures circulated on the Internet Friday night of a Bobcats cap tied to the 2012 draft. Most of the cap looks like the Bobcats’ current blue primary color. The bill is a new, lighter shade of blue. The only orange in that cap is the small “Charlotte’’ stenciling.

Read more here: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2012/06/02/3286171/bobcats-changing-colors-team-says.html#storylink=cpy

Looking forward to seeing the new look!

[McBeastie]

Bonnell might want to get his eyes checked if he thinks that's the primary blue we currently use, lol, but silver lining for the Hornets guys is Evans saying any color change doesn't increase or decrease chances of team considering a name change. Though at the very least I think it would delay it several years.

As far as the actual draft cap, Evans was pretty non-committal there as well as far as a straight yes or no goes.


We’re always trying to explore accenting our colors in different ways. It’s an on-going process.Also, I guess Rick brought up the lack of orange in the new logo, to which Evans responded;

We haven’t been orange-heavy for a while. For a couple of years we went with blue-and-silver and orange has been an accent.

[McBeastie]

I took a stab at what our other logo might look like based on Evans comments about orange becoming more of an accent color instead of a primary.

504

[King Taharqa]

I support and welcome a color change to our Bobcats brand.
It beats coveting and whining about another team's.

[King Taharqa]

I support and welcome a color change to our Bobcats brand.
It beats coveting and whining about another team's.

[SWedd523]

I took a stab at what our other logo might look like based on Evans comments about orange becoming more of an accent color instead of a primary.

504
That looks pretty nice too

[ammofan]

I took a stab at what our other logo might look like based on Evans comments about orange becoming more of an accent color instead of a primary.

504

Thats sick.

[JGib23]

The color change looks so much better. Even the original logo that I have hated with a passion from day 1 looks decent after the McBeastie treatment.

The fact they have had to redesign the original twice in 8 years, speaks volumes about how poorly designed the original was.

It's encouraging that they are listening to the marketplace and trying to improve the worst selling brand in the NBA.

Also, wanted to say great job to the OP that pointed out the hat was missing from NBA.com... Truly scooped Bonnell and the organization on a pretty big subject.

[Brad]

Really dislike any kind of two-tone blue logo. Obviously they are trying to reach the Duke and UNC market with that scheme, and trying to tie into all of their current marketing / signage, etc. keeping the orange. With a move like that, they don't have to reorder all new signage for the arena, etc. because it's still within their color scheme.

I will they'd just kill off that original logo. It's hideous.

I really wish they'd consult someone that knows something about color theory and design.

[McBeastie]

I really wish they'd consult someone that knows something about color theory and design.

It's funny because that's exactly how they ended up with orange & that dreaded blue in the first place, ha.

From a 2004 feature on the process behind the naming & design of the team; The Making of a Name (and Logo) by Darren Rovell (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/sportsbusiness/news/story?id=1755847).


A two-inch thick, three-ring binder of names was soon presented to the identity team comprising a mix of team executives as well a representative from Johnson's holding company and designer, Cary Mitchell.


Mitchell, who had designed clothes for LeBron James, Tiger Woods and many other athletes, suggested to the group that orange was going to be a hot, new color in the fashion world.


Other colors for the logo were plucked from the recently redesigned logo of the Seattle Seahawks. The group borrowed the Seahawks' pacific blue and silver.

So, advice from one overzealous designer, borrowing from another overzealous designer, and there you had it. Over-designing at it's best, lol. Really informative story though. Also a tidbit in there about how Cougars made the final 10 cut, but was discarded.

I like the new scheme. I know orange was our distinguishing color, but a subdued silver/navy-centric look could be sharp, too.

[Mustachio]

I support and welcome a color change to our Bobcats brand.
It beats coveting and whining about another team's.

What a racist!!! Bob Johnson personally picked those colors and now you have the nerve to tweak the greatest leader this city has ever known? I think the real question about these new colors is how its going to erase civil rights in Charlotte. I cant believe you would support the gentrification of this franchise and this city. Why do you hate black people KT?

Sounds pretty ridiculous huh.

[John Morgan]

If you go to FansEdge.com, nearly every piece of Bobcats clothing or hats is on clearance. I checked a few other teams' sites and it's not that way. This appears to be a new design that will be implemented in everything. Seems very odd that team is changing logo/uniform/color design for the third time in its short history. What's even more bizarre is that it's such a minor change. I don't hate it, but it doesn't blow me away either.

If I had to guess, this is the end of the Hornets scuttlebutt. Even if they name becomes available, why would you spend the money to tweak things again in a year or two? Then again, they keep changing things every few years anyway so I guess anything is possible.

That's the opposite of how I read this, HornCats. The front office could end all the speculation by flatly saying "No. We're not doing the rebrand". But they won't. Even as they (slightly) tweak the uniforms/color, they won't wholeheartedly voice their commitment to the 'Cats brand.

Because they aren't committed to it.

As I said before, if you're a fan of the rebrand, this is just about the best news possible in my opinion. They're doing just enough to keep what limited excitement there is in the brand afloat for another season without going through a costly, time consuming 'major' overhaul, then, WHAM. Hornets. Again, I know I'm mega-biased, but that's how I read it. Interesting stuff, one way or the other!

[SuperKemba]

What a racist!!! Bob Johnson personally picked those colors and now you have the nerve to tweak the greatest leader this city has ever known? I think the real question about these new colors is how its going to erase civil rights in Charlotte. I cant believe you would support the gentrification of this franchise and this city. Why do you hate black people KT?

Sounds pretty ridiculous huh.

I hope this wasn't supposed to be funny.

[SWedd523]

That's the opposite of how I read this, HornCats. The front office could end all the speculation by flatly saying "No. We're not doing the rebrand". But they won't. Even as they (slightly) tweak the uniforms/color, they won't wholeheartedly voice their commitment to the 'Cats brand.

Because they aren't committed to it.

As I said before, if you're a fan of the rebrand, this is just about the best news possible in my opinion. They're doing just enough to keep what limited excitement there is in the brand afloat for another season without going through a costly, time consuming 'major' overhaul, then, WHAM. Hornets. Again, I know I'm mega-biased, but that's how I read it. Interesting stuff, one way or the other!


From: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2012/06/02/3286171/bobcats-changing-colors-team-says.html#storylink=cpy


The Bobcats have avoided commenting on the Hornets nickname, since it’s still owned by another franchise.

[John Morgan]

From: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2012/06/02/3286171/bobcats-changing-colors-team-says.html#storylink=cpy

Right. But if they were sticking with "Bobcats", they could just come out and say it any time they wanted to.

[McBeastie]

I don't think I've ever heard or read about an NBA, or any professional sports, team using an 'interim' design for just one, or even two seasons.

To me, a Bobcats redesign is what's been on their mind for awhile, possibly since Jordan bought the team, seeing as they've added Carolina blue to the mix. As minor as it seems, a color/uniform change doesn't just happen in one off-season. They've been discussing & coordinating this for a while. They did it independent of what's been going on in New Orleans, and saw it to it's conclusion knowing the Hornets name could soon become available. I take it as sign they're committing to the Bobcats brand for the foreseeable future.

And really, how would Jordan come off as, if when the Hornets name became officially available he announced, "We'll be the Hornets again soon! But, in the meantime please buy this new Bobcats gear!"? Nobody in their right mind is going to spend money on a temp design.

The only way the Charlotte Hornets door realistically stays open is if the team decides to scrap the redesign and sticks with the current colors/uniforms; but if that were the case, Evans could have simply said 'No changes.' when Bonnell asked him about it yesterday. Instead we got,


We’re always trying to explore accenting our colors in different ways. It’s an on-going process.Which further backs up that the new draft cap wasn't just an on a whim for one season type of deal. They've been putting time into it. So I think that's the look we'll get.

I could absolutely be wrong, though. All will be revealed soon enough.

[Wolfpackbobcat]

Pansy Blue and Dook blew? Might as well add some Wolfpack Red too.

[Black]

Pansy Blue and Dook blew? Might as well add some Wolfpack Red too.

I think the theme is relevant teams.

[BrotherDave]

I hate navy blue. Easily my least favorite color. I'd rather have pink honestly. Why not just black with orange accents? Black = way classier looking and cooler than navy blue, every day of the week.

[Wolfpackbobcat]

Black and orange is sexy. Ahem sweet 16 black1605


I hate navy blue. Easily my least favorite color. I'd rather have pink honestly. Why not just black with orange accents? Black = way classier looking and cooler than navy blue, every day of the week.

[JGib23]

And really, how would Jordan come off as, if when the Hornets name became officially available he announced, "We'll be the Hornets again soon! But, in the meantime please buy this new Bobcats gear!"? Nobody in their right mind is going to spend money on a temp design.

The only way the Charlotte Hornets door realistically stays open is if the team decides to scrap the redesign and sticks with the current colors/uniforms; but if that were the case, Evans could have simply said 'No changes.' when Bonnell asked him about it yesterday. Instead we got,

Which further backs up that the new draft cap wasn't just an on a whim for one season type of deal. They've been putting time into it. So I think that's the look we'll get.

I could absolutely be wrong, though. All will be revealed soon enough.

Your point is exactly why the team would close the door shut on a rebrand 100% if they were NOT considering it.

If they are truly committed to making the Bobcats brand work and weren't at least contemplating changing names, wouldnt BJ Evans just say "we are committed to the Bobcats brand going forward, we will continue to explore accenting our colors in different ways to complement and grow the brand"

How much merchandise will they sell with this Hornets rebrand hanging over their heads? The rename in the last 2-3 months has been featured on ESPN, been the subject of multiple newspaper articles and featured in the local newscast.
If this was my company and I knew beyond a shadow of a doubt that I was not changing names, I would make that point abundantly clear to the public.

Instead we have the Public Relations director saying that it neither increases or decreases the chances of a name change.
Last month Rod Higgins had the chance to close the door to renaming the team on WFNZ, he responded with "I don't want to get fined or fired for commenting"
We have all heard the company line on not commenting on the intellectual property of another team... ( all of ths on the heels of Adam Silvers comments that only added fuel to the fire)

If the team is 100% committed to "Bobcats" why not just say so? I don't think they would get fined or fired for saying. "We are the Bobcats and we plan on being the Bobcats in the future, we are 100% focused on growing the Bobcats brand in Charlotte"

It's simple, it clears the air and ends all speculation.

[McBeastie]

I am 100% committed to building the Bobcats into a contender.

That was Jordan, back in April, when there were rumors he would give up on the team if they didn't become profitable enough in three years. And before that in January, when he responded to a fan e-mail specifically about the Hornets (breaking his own 'No comment' rule?); while not a definitive yes/no, it's not hard to see which way he was leaning when he brought up how 'expensive and complicated' it would be.

I definitely agree that the team has to be more direct in these circumstances, though, because until then people will continue to have different interpretations over the same vague comments from Evans, Higgins, Cho, etc.

I think we all know where we stand on the issue by now, so let's just leave it at that. Lol

[JGib23]

You make valid points on your Jordan quotes.

My interpretation:
MJs December Chairmans corner letter- I think that was 100% his thoughts and plans at the time he wrote it but, I think the error he made was his quote that there "wasn't a groundswell of support". To be honest, this is what got me fired up. I have always wanted the Hornets name back but, I was just one individual. After reading quote, I started looking for other like minded people and found Bring Back The Buzz... I wanted to make sure he knew there was more than just a groundswell. No matter how you feel on the rebrand- it's hard to argue that since that letter was written there has been much more than a groundswell.. I liken it more to a tsunami. I would imagine it's at least gotten his attention. Things have changed 180 degrees since that letter. ( groundswell arrived and brought some friends, Tom Bensons comments, Adam Silvers discussion, etc). If there hadn't been all the activity since then- I would accept that comment as the gospel.

His comments last month were a reaction to him selling the team. Totally out of context to a name discussion. I would imagine that up until the day they are officially rebranded that his commitment will be to 100% turn the Bobcats into a contender.




I definitely agree that the team has to be more direct in these circumstances, though, because until then people will continue to have different interpretations over the same vague comments from Evans, Higgins, Cho, etc.

Something we all agree on no matter which side of the fence your on.


I think we all know where we stand on the issue by now, so let's just leave it at that. Lol
Fair enough, I'm going to try not to comment on this subject (name change) again on the board until, Tom Benson is officially approved by the NBA board of governors and officially address the "Hornets" name changing. Until that point we are all just broken records repeating the same arguments.

[ncstamey]

I think it'd be awesome to have the name HORNETS back, but to be honest I dislike the "bring the Hornets back to Charlotte" movement more than I dislike the BOBCATS brand. Nothing anyone says or does is going to change the name of the Charlotte franchise except MJ and company, so what's the point really? Why get all worked up over something that has such a small chance of ever happening? Then if the name does come back to the QC we'll all be whining about the changes to that logo, the colors, etc.

And yea, it would be easier to incorporate our old NBA history and stuff by having that name/brand back but is it really worth it? And will it be as cool as we all wish it would be? I think not.

This isn't really directed to anyone here but it just seems like a bunch of bitching and moaning about nothing. The Hornets are gone and they are still fucking us over 10 years later (the lottery). It's like a bad omen... or a relationship that should just end.

I used to love 'em too but now I'm just kinda over it. Like I said at the beginning of this thread, if we can draft an All-Star out of this upcoming draft and put together an exciting team to watch then the fans will get behind the Bobcats. And Jordan will start making cool Bobcats shit for us all to wear with pride. Just gotta start on the court.

Ultimately, I'm am just curious to see what the new color scheme on the jerseys is gonna look like so I can buy new gear to wear to the games next season.

*end rant*

[Brad]

I've been in meetings like this -- the company that did the design and color theory had the orange dictated to them from Johnson. Johnson asked his son what color he liked, and he liked orange. My guess is that they gave him a ton of color options and this was the one he chose. That was their job to do, and Johnson and co. picked them out. Then they spin this garbage in a feel-good media piece to make everyone think they are smart and that they got what they paid for. The colors could have been baby-poop green and pink, and somehow they'd spin it as "an organic, ground-breaking concept".

Here's an example of BS: QUICK: DEPICTED BY THE SPEED LINES ON THE BOBCATS PROFILE // DETERMINED: DRAWN FROM THE PUPIL IN THE EYE OF THE BOBCAT // AGGRESSIVE: SUGGESTED BY THE PINNED BACK EARS ON HEAD // FEROCIOUS: TEETH AND GRIMACING MOUTH PREPARED FOR ATTACK // STRONG: STRONG JAW AND THICK NECK ON BOBCAT FOR POWER.

Really? Does anyone buy that crap? That's my point.

I've seen the Bobcats concept logos that were presented to Johnson and company; he chose a poor one, which was not surprising. He also chose a poor nickname, color scheme, television distribution plan and front office.

He also consulted one of his buddies to design the uniforms, which were terrible as well.

I've had clients completely destroy awesome concepts and designs. Happens all the time.

It seems as though they are just tweaking the scheme up a little and rearranging the precedence of the colors within the palate. They've done this before, making the blue the predominant over the orange. Now it seems that orange, which was the "centerpiece" of their color scheme, is nothing more than an accent color.

I will give them points for trying, though. Unfortunately I like the color scheme even less now than I do the nickname.

[CLTHornCats]

As I said before, if you're a fan of the rebrand, this is just about the best news possible in my opinion. They're doing just enough to keep what limited excitement there is in the brand afloat for another season without going through a costly, time consuming 'major' overhaul, then, WHAM. Hornets. Again, I know I'm mega-biased, but that's how I read it. Interesting stuff, one way or the other!

I'm a fan of the Hornets name, colors and movement to bring them back too, but I don't see how you come to this conclusion. Name me another team that has done this in pro sports before. New Jersey has known for years now that they'd become the Brooklyn Nets. You didn't see them tweaking their colors or logo to hold fans over for a few years and generate extra revenue in the short-term. Fans aren't going to buy merch if they're aware a re-brand is coming, which is why the team has been mum on this matter, IMO - whether they're the Bobcats or Hornets.

If the team made a statement in February that next year would feature new colors, logo and uniforms, do you think fans would continue to buy any merch at regular price that was likely to be outdated in a matter of months?

You're looking at this with rose-colored glasses. I understand why you are, and I want the same thing you do, but it's not realistic, IMO.

[Monty]

I think it'd be awesome to have the name HORNETS back, but to be honest I dislike the "bring the Hornets back to Charlotte" movement more than I dislike the BOBCATS brand. Nothing anyone says or does is going to change the name of the Charlotte franchise except MJ and company, so what's the point really? Why get all worked up over something that has such a small chance of ever happening? Then if the name does come back to the QC we'll all be whining about the changes to that logo, the colors, etc.

And yea, it would be easier to incorporate our old NBA history and stuff by having that name/brand back but is it really worth it? And will it be as cool as we all wish it would be? I think not.

This isn't really directed to anyone here but it just seems like a bunch of bitching and moaning about nothing. The Hornets are gone and they are still fucking us over 10 years later (the lottery). It's like a bad omen... or a relationship that should just end.

I used to love 'em too but now I'm just kinda over it. Like I said at the beginning of this thread, if we can draft an All-Star out of this upcoming draft and put together an exciting team to watch then the fans will get behind the Bobcats. And Jordan will start making cool Bobcats shit for us all to wear with pride. Just gotta start on the court.

Ultimately, I'm am just curious to see what the new color scheme on the jerseys is gonna look like so I can buy new gear to wear to the games next season.

*end rant*

This is ultimately why I think this redesign or adjustment is an indication they've put the Hornets possibility on the far back burner. It just seems kind of awkward to redo the colors and logo and release all new gear, then 1 year later say "Hey guys thanks for buying all that stuff, now throw it out because it's useless and we were bringing back the Hornets all along! Time to buy some teal!" It would make it even tougher if we end up drafting a star player who makes a big impact/sign some free agents that make us somewhat respectable. I liked the Hornets idea at first, but by now I'm much more interested in the draft and what happens on the court than the team's nickname.

Anyway, I like what I see with the draft hat. I've got no problem with the dark blue/light blue contrast and an orange accent. And while we're at it can we give Rufus a makeover, too, so he doesn't look like a stray cat on meth with sunglasses?

[JGib23]

I said I wouldn't comment on the name change again until something happens but I consider this response different. This is response about about effecting change no matter what the subject is.

nCstamey- I disagree, throughout history the only way to effect change is to organize, protest and petition.

The only way that the name change would have ever gained attention is through a collaborative effort.

For example:
I call ESPN, WBTV and Rick Bonnell and say that I want the Bobcats to change the name back to Hornets and ask them to dedicate a news story to my wishes?

Or

You organize a group, plan a few group activities and all of the sudden ESPN writes a story on the movement, WBTV calls the lead organizer and asks him to come into the studio and do an interview and Rick Bonnell in an article talking about the colors of the team mentions "bringbackthebuzz". Without organization this movement would have never gotten off the ground.

1 finger can only point
5 fingers can make a fist
There is power in numbers.

This movement may or may not accomplish it's goal but, with the group organized and working together the chances are greater than they would be without it.

[JGib23]

And while we're at it can we give Rufus a makeover, too, so he doesn't look like a stray cat on meth with sunglasses?

This X 1,000,000

If Bobcats is going to be the name, this has to happen.

Rufus is possibly the worst designed mascot I have ever seen in my life.

[Hugo]

MJ said he was 100% committed to building a contender NOT 100% on keeping the name the Bobcats. I think you've taken those comments out of context.

They are changing the colors but not the logo. That is a very small change. If the name change takes up to 3 years (inevitably more than 1 yr.) changing the colors is worth (somewhat) purging the association with being the worst team ever. Also this change WAS planned before it was known Benson was buying the Hornets and wanted to change the name.

JGib is 100% right, no denial from the Bobcats is just as telling as MJ saying we want to bring back the Hornets brand.

[SWedd523]

JGib is 100% right, no denial from the Bobcats is just as telling as MJ saying we want to bring back the Hornets brand.
There's no way you can draw that conclusion either.

[SJackson1]

apparantley we have changed the colour of our hats for the draft to blue ?

[Hugo]

There's no way you can draw that conclusion either.

Yes I can. Any organization that has been repeatedly questioned about a brand change is going to flat out deny that change unless they plan to make the change. When the Spokesman mentioned that it wouldn't affect the chances of a name change that should set alarm bells ringing.

Plus Silver's comments that it would be easier to switch names because the league already owns the Hornets is about as "we are planning to change the name but can't say anything yet" as it gets.

[McBeastie]

I don't feel like I presented the quote without context. I posted the quote, and the very next sentence gave the context of it. That MJ's commitment was in question because the Bobcats were struggling financially.

This is where the whole 'different interpretations' thing I mentioned comes in. If we want to play the read between the lines game, Jordan could just as easily have said 'I am 100% committed to building this team (franchise, organization, etc.) into a contender.' So when he says 'the Bobcats' I take it to mean he's committed to building a contender, as the Bobcats, in however many years that may take. And that the financial struggles of the team (e.g. 'brand') would not deter him from that goal.

Like I said, there's been so much ambiguity from team officials that you could take any statement (or non-statement) and read into it both ways. Which is why I think both sides should just cool on the topic until something concrete comes up. Otherwise it's just fruitless back & forth. This was starting to look like the Hornets thread which was already debated to death, lol.

[bes628]

all I know is...the Hornets shit, which im in favor of, isn't happening right now. So Im going to enjoy this rebrand or whatever they want to call it. I can't wait to see the new jersey's that im sure are coming.

[SJackson1]

should be an exciting month ahead, new coach, No 2 draft pick and possibly new jersey

[SWedd523]

Yes I can. Any organization that has been repeatedly questioned about a brand change is going to flat out deny that change unless they plan to make the change. When the Spokesman mentioned that it wouldn't affect the chances of a name change that should set alarm bells ringing.

Plus Silver's comments that it would be easier to switch names because the league already owns the Hornets is about as "we are planning to change the name but can't say anything yet" as it gets.
Eh, if that's the leg you want to stand on then sure. It's an awfully weak one though.

[Hugo]

I will stand by my arguement. If there are entirely new jerseys I will think the rebrand is further off than I thought. I think this color change might be with the same jerseys or a similar look.

[Bismack BROyombo]

Did anyone else hear Collin from WFNZ give this thread a shout out this morning on the Mac Attack?

[Wolfpackbobcat]

Fuck it...trade the #2 pick to NO for the hornets name

[teej]

Did anyone else hear Collin from WFNZ give this thread a shout out this morning on the Mac Attack?

Colin is a chill dude. And half of the Amphibious Sports Duo, which hosted our original podcast.

[ziggy]

Did anyone else hear Collin from WFNZ give this thread a shout out this morning on the Mac Attack?

I didn't hear it. I wish that I had.

[SWedd523]

McBeastie worked this one up for me. I think it looks pretty damn good

http://img809.imageshack.us/img809/4112/sweddcats.jpg

[SJackson1]

apparantley were changing our colours ?

[bes628]

McBeastie worked this one up for me. I think it looks pretty damn good

http://img809.imageshack.us/img809/4112/sweddcats.jpg

Thats fucking tight.

[ncstamey]

I like that color scheme above... Is it pretty close to the one on the hat that was taken off NBA.com?

Also- what did Colin say about this thread?

[JGib23]

I don't like the Orange outline or Orange Eyes I think the ball looks better as the Orange...

I hate Orange and wish they would do away with it but, for those that like Orange, let's see if MCBeastie can take the original revision that's on the back of the hat and add an Orange accent to the Navy Outside ring. ( meaning the Orange would be in between the Silver and Carolina Blue on the outside ring of the logo.)

Edit- I have been viewing this thread on my Ipad up to this point and I'm on my CPU now and I'm guessing the color settings are different and the above looks better on my CPU... Still prefer the teams version though.

[JGib23]

Ok- so I've been thinking about the color change and what that might mean for the jerseys and in doing so I remembered the colors of the jerseys used in this past season Jordan Brand All Star Classic.

It looks like the Color Combo used for the West team is the exact colors used in the new logo.

I dont think this will be the deisgn of the jerseys but, I believe this is the color palate used in the "new logo"

Any thoughts?

505

506

507

[Hugo]

Ok- so I've been thinking about the color change and what that might mean for the jerseys and in doing so I remembered the colors of the jerseys used in this past season Jordan Brand All Star Classic.

It looks like the Color Combo used for the West team is the exact colors used in the new logo.

I dont think this will be the deisgn of the jerseys but, I believe this is the color palate used in the "new logo"

Any thoughts?

505

506

507

I can't see the attachments but after looking it up the Jordan Classic uses red instead of Orange. To me red looks much better.

[ncstamey]

Ok- so I've been thinking about the color change and what that might mean for the jerseys and in doing so I remembered the colors of the jerseys used in this past season Jordan Brand All Star Classic.

It looks like the Color Combo used for the West team is the exact colors used in the new logo.

I dont think this will be the deisgn of the jerseys but, I believe this is the color palate used in the "new logo"

Any thoughts?

505

506

507


I don't really like the stripes running down the sides on those but otherwise I think they'd make great home/away jerseys.

[Hugo]

Those stripes are too Marquette looking. I'd be thrilled with those colors, but I don't think that's what ours are going to look like.

[JGib23]

I wasn't saying that our jersey's would be designed like that, just pointing out that the color combination looks like the same "new colors" of Navy, Carolia Blue, and Orange used only as an accent. (even the Orange looks like a crisper Orange closer to Red vs. The faded Orange they were using).

[McBeastie]

I don't like the Orange outline or Orange Eyes I think the ball looks better as the Orange...

I hate Orange and wish they would do away with it but, for those that like Orange, let's see if MCBeastie can take the original revision that's on the back of the hat and add an Orange accent to the Navy Outside ring. ( meaning the Orange would be in between the Silver and Carolina Blue on the outside ring of the logo.)

Edit- I have been viewing this thread on my Ipad up to this point and I'm on my CPU now and I'm guessing the color settings are different and the above looks better on my CPU... Still prefer the teams version though.

Hey JGib, I got a little lost reading that, lol. Wasn't sure if you wanted an orange outside the navy, or between the carolina & silver, so I just tried both.

508

If I had to roll with one of those I'd pick the left. I think there might be such a thing as too many colored rings in one logo, though, haha. The team's original recoloring has grown on me a bit. I don't think they used any more orange than they needed to.

I completely forgot about those Jordan Classic unis, nice catch, definitely looks like the same colors. Side panels might be a bit much, but I like the idea. Navy/Carolina/Orange for the road set, and White/Silver/Orange for the home.

[JGib23]

Thanks, yeah the one on the left looks better but, I think the teams version is still the best with the minimal Orange.

I wonder when the new stuff will be officially introduced?

[Black]

Thanks, yeah the one on the left looks better but, I think the teams version is still the best with the minimal Orange.

I wonder when the new stuff will be officially introduced?

I would think before the draft, but who knows. They could just reveal the hat at draft night, and reveal the uniforms at a photo shoot with the rookies modeling them.

[Mustachio]

I would think before the draft, but who knows. They could just reveal the hat at draft night, and reveal the uniforms at a photo shoot with the rookies modeling them.


Almost guaranteed to be the way this goes down if it does at all.

[SJackson1]

i think its what we need to be honest, a clean slate

[McBeastie]

Yeah, I think they wanted to announce it on draft night. Introduce the new look with the new building block for the team. Would've been epic if A. Davis was the was the guy they brought it in with.

[McBeastie]

Another leak, guys. This time the primary logo. In the NBA.com Store, still hasn't been taken down.

Huffy Charlotte Bobcats Portable Basketball System. (http://store.nba.com/product/index.jsp?productId=12885307)

Logo is on the bottom right of the backboard. Here's a close-up. I wasn't too far off with my earlier prediction mock-up. No orange eyes, though, lol.

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[adam187]

interesting. good find, mcbeastie. i fully support putting you and ammofan in charge of the bobcats aesthetics department and firing whoever has been working there.

so if the team gets new uniforms, i'm hoping they will look awesome, but i am fully prepared for the worst, as any reasonable bobcats fan should be.

[Frosty06306]

Another leak, guys. This time the primary logo. In the NBA.com Store, still hasn't been taken down.

Huffy Charlotte Bobcats Portable Basketball System. (http://store.nba.com/product/index.jsp?productId=12885307)

Logo is on the bottom right of the backboard. Here's a close-up. I wasn't too far off with my earlier prediction mock-up. No orange eyes, though, lol.

509

Um, interesting. Not really sure what to say about this. I don't understand this if they're even considering returning to the Hornets.

[Proudiddy]

I don't know about it...

Obviously, I would prefer the Hornets rebrand as a "true" clean slate for us and it would bring back some nostalgic value with it, but if we are remaining the Bobcats, I can't complain about that color scheme. Part of me wishes we would go radically different from the blue and orange altogether. The silver is gonna be cool, but I don't know how I feel about it as a primary. Regardless, it is a huge step forward from the construction cone orange we've been rocking all these years, and that's coming from a guy who thought you could never go wrong with orange (Bengals, Syracuse, Orioles, etc.).

I like it, but I would've liked a little more color - just not orange or so much blue.

[McBeastie]

Crazy. I think they took it down within minutes of my post.. Here's the direct link to the product image they have stored on the site, though.

http://nba.imageg.net/graphics/product_images/p12744863enh-z6.jpg

See how long before it gets removed, too.

I think they need to scrap that primary. We haven't used that italics wordmark for years, and it just makes the whole thing look off-balance.

[Black]

Crazy. I think they took it down within minutes of my post.. Here's the direct link to the product image they have stored on the site, though.

http://nba.imageg.net/graphics/product_images/p12744863enh-z6.jpg

See how long before it gets removed, too.

I think they need to scrap that primary. We haven't used that italics wordmark for years, and it just makes the whole thing look off-balance.

I saved it in case they take it down. Looks pretty good, better than orange anyway.

[Frosty06306]

Honestly I don't understand this color scheme, and I don't think anyone here should embrace this. Silver, Dark Blue, A Seahawks Denim type color, Orange, and White. Way too much going on. I also agree that the Primary should atleast be altered. This is going to look over the top, too much to attempt to balance.

[SJackson1]

there has to be Blue and orange in the badge somewhere becasue thats what the Bobcats are known for

[CLTHornCats]

I initially thought I liked the new look, now I'm certain I don't after seeing that primary logo leaked. Serious lack of direction on the marketing side, IMO.

Has any other pro sports team been so easily inclined to tweak colors, logos & uniforms so often in its short history? Clearly the initial design was not well liked or received, so why continue to tweak and already weak look? It's like making chicken salad out of chicken $*&#.

I'm a supporter of re-branding to Hornets, but I'm a Charlotte fan first and foremost, regardless of name. With that said, ff they think this enough to appease those asking for a "clean slate" - whether Bobcats or Hornets, they're sorely mistaken.

[Mustachio]

I like it, but then again I like the current jerseys. Don't think they look faded like others say.... but then again I don't wear jerseys. I wear the t-shirts and hats, so maybe thats why i like the color scheme more than others.

Seems like some people don't understand that this shit is 100% preference.

You may not like a silver color. I hated the original orange and white jerseys. These are preferences and they are completely subjective. You not liking a certain look they came up with, doesn't mean its wrong or the marketing people are dumb... the ONLY thing it means is that YOU don't like it. All that said, the original white and orange jerseys were wrong, and the marketing people who came up with them were dumb.

[CLTHornCats]

You not liking a certain look they came up with, doesn't mean its wrong or the marketing people are dumb... the ONLY thing it means is that YOU don't like it. All that said, the original white and orange jerseys were wrong, and the marketing people who came up with them were dumb.

Good point. BUT, IMO, I would classify tweaking the primary colors, logo and uniform multiple times in less than 10 years bad marketing. To your point, you're never going to please everyone, so why keep changing things? You'll never gain any traction if you keep changing the overall look and design of the team every 3-4 years.

[SWedd523]

All they're changing is the colors. The logo is the same, so I don't know why you would assume it's bad marketing. The average fan isn't going to notice the change

[Monty]

I'm going to reserve my full opinion on this tweak until the team releases everything up-front. I liked the draft hat, but I'll have to wait and see on the logo, uniforms, and other types of merchandise before I determine success or fail. I do think it's funny that both Charlotte pro sports teams changed or altered their logos in the same year, and they were both outed before the team had time to do an official release. In the Panthers' case, it was a pair of Nike gloves that showed up on Nike.com that revealed the new logo prematurely.

[ncstamey]

I think we should also keep in mind is nothing is official yet either... maybe that hat was taken down because it's not the one they're going with. Also, maybe I'm mistaken but haven't they said they are done with that old logo? (the one on the goal that was just posted) If so, it's probably not a good indication of how the colors are going to be used.

I actually like the use of more grey in the color scheme. As far as I'm concerned more grey and blue with orange accents is the way to go. Way more teams are using blue then grey so it will set us apart a bit more.... but like someone just brought up... it's all opinion.:biggrin:

[CLTHornCats]

All they're changing is the colors. The logo is the same, so I don't know why you would assume it's bad marketing. The average fan isn't going to notice the change

I guess it's semantics, but when you alter the primary colors of a logo, you've changed the logo itself. Further, if you think the average fan won't notice the change, why would you change it in the first place? That, in and of itself, is bad marketing. Most decisions like this should be driven by how it will affect sales (positively is the goal, obviously). If a change is so minor that the average fan won't notice, they're not very likely to go buy new merch that is just slightly different from the stuff they already own.

[JGib23]

I wonder how this "proposed" change effects people's opinion on the complete rebrand. The biggest complaint that I heard from the anti name change (one poster omitted) was because they had a lot of $ invested in Bobcats gear.

I don't own any Bobcats gear but, if I did I would be a little pissed that they are working on Bobcats Merchandise 3.0 in year 8.

I have hated the merchandise from day 1 but, I like the "mock up" colors of the new design far and away better than anything they have done up to this point. I think the draft hat looks pretty good but, the draft shirt would have looked better in Carolina Blue. (of course I'm a Tar Heel fan)

[Mustachio]

Good point. BUT, IMO, I would classify tweaking the primary colors, logo and uniform multiple times in less than 10 years bad marketing. To your point, you're never going to please everyone, so why keep changing things? You'll never gain any traction if you keep changing the overall look and design of the team every 3-4 years.


I see what you mean, but to me thats actually good marketing. Because I own a bunch of Bobcats gear, and you know what I'm gonna do when they change the color? buy more. Its kind of like Kobe switching to 8 to sell more jerseys, or what Cleveland did during lebrons time there, or what english soccer teams do on what seems like a daily basis. I think the Bobcats just kind of fall into that role right now, because they don't have an iconic jersey design yet. The Celtics, Lakers, don't change because they have become entrenched, classic, adored designs. And until the Bobcats can find that certain look that resonates like the Celtics, Lakers and even the original Hornets found... they should always continue changing and tweaking.

I also don't think its an easy thing to do. People will complain no matter what changes you make, but I do believe there is one design out there that will click with the fan base and the NBA gear wearing crowd. And I don't think there are any set guidelines to do that. Like you can't just set out to meet some design parameters and wallah, Jersey sales. Its much more nuanced than that, times change, fashion changes, teams change so sometimes finding that certain brand and look is just a matter of pure blind luck.

And one last thing, a bit of advice for Bobcats marketing people who I am sure are just reading every line of this (ha)... Don't ask for advice. Fashion isn't polite, or needy. Just find a look you like and own it. People will follow.

[SJackson1]

i live in England i suppourt Newcastle United and they change their kit/jersey every season which is good for marketing sales.

[ammofan]

I like the new colors.

One question tho......does this mean Rufus will be grey now???? :O

[SJackson1]

I like the new colors.

One question tho......does this mean Rufus will be grey now???? :O

lol, hopefully not

[McBeastie]

Aside from the uniforms, there really isn't much of a difference in Bobcats merch 1.0 & 2.0. Shirts & hats have pretty much looked the same between those two periods, so this would be the first really significant change to the look of their merch, seeing as they've added completely new colors to the scheme.

I think both logos got a modest upgrade with the new colors, but the uniforms will be what make or break the whole thing. If they use the same idea from the Jordan Classic unis and limit it to three colors per set, they can get two clean looks that are still unique. If they just keep the current pinstripe template and try to throw all the colors on it at once, it could be a mess.

[WAM9]

I wonder how this "proposed" change effects people's opinion on the complete rebrand. The biggest complaint that I heard from the anti name change (one poster omitted) was because they had a lot of $ invested in Bobcats gear.

I don't own any Bobcats gear but, if I did I would be a little pissed that they are working on Bobcats Merchandise 3.0 in year 8.

I have hated the merchandise from day 1 but, I like the "mock up" colors of the new design far and away better than anything they have done up to this point. I think the draft hat looks pretty good but, the draft shirt would have looked better in Carolina Blue. (of course I'm a Tar Heel fan)

I have plenty of Bobcats gear and I am not pissed in the least. Why would I be?

[BlockParty]

I have plenty of Bobcats gear and I am not pissed in the least. Why would I be?

^^^^This
10char

[Wolfpackbobcat]

Silver jerseys like Georgetown would be hot and different

[Black]

Silver jerseys like Georgetown would be hot and different

I think they could look great. Looking forward to seeing the jerseys.

[joerrad]

I see what you mean, but to me thats actually good marketing. Because I own a bunch of Bobcats gear, and you know what I'm gonna do when they change the color? buy more. Its kind of like Kobe switching to 8 to sell more jerseys, or what Cleveland did during lebrons time there, or what english soccer teams do on what seems like a daily basis. I think the Bobcats just kind of fall into that role right now, because they don't have an iconic jersey design yet. The Celtics, Lakers, don't change because they have become entrenched, classic, adored designs. And until the Bobcats can find that certain look that resonates like the Celtics, Lakers and even the original Hornets found... they should always continue changing and tweaking.

you have the correct concept but for a team that has probably the smallest fan base in the league, i don't think this necessarily applies to the bobcats.

[Mustachio]

Silver jerseys like Georgetown would be hot and different


Best idea ever. Somebody with photoshop skillz mock these up please!

[QC Thundercats]

Best idea ever. Somebody with photoshop skillz mock these up please!

Well, Nike did do the platinum uniforms this year for college, so maybe Jordan wants to do something similar with the team.

http://earth911.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Nike-Platinum-Uniform-UNC.jpg
http://media.scout.com/media/image/103/1039259.jpg
http://media.scout.com/media/image/103/1039251.jpg
http://media.scout.com/media/image/103/1039256.jpg
http://media.scout.com/media/image/103/1039273.jpg

[Mustachio]

This with charlotte where hoyas is would be a classic

http:// http://c-product.images.dreamsretail.com/66-40/66-40374-Y.jpg


Im partial to the Georgetown grey but those grey unc jerseys could be a killer look too. Does anyone in the nba use grey as a primary? Minnesota maybe? Detroit . That it?

[Hugo]

This with charlotte where hoyas is would be a classic

http:// http://c-product.images.dreamsretail.com/66-40/66-40374-Y.jpg


Im partial to the Georgetown grey but those grey unc jerseys could be a killer look too. Does anyone in the nba use grey as a primary? Minnesota maybe? Detroit . That it?

Ugh silver makes me sick. I don't know why Dallas ever abandoned the Blue& Green. I would like Green, Dark & Carolina Blues.

[Hormel]

http://www.sportslogos.net/blog/2012/06/04/colour-change-coming-for-charlotte-bobcats/

Sorry if this has been posted before, but I like it!

[Alex]

It actually doesn't look that bad in the rendition on there (just the grey, blue and orange) the problem is that the actual recolor will have that "a little too close to" tarhole blue line/stroke in a circle immediately on the inside of the outside blue line and that is one too many colors.

I'm still ready for this identity to go away completely. I don't even care if we change to Hornets, few things are worse than the muddled mess that this "brand" has become and really has been from the start.

[SWedd523]

Yeah we have a thread going it. I'll merge the two so you can get caught up on the goings ons

[Alex]

I actually don't think the jerseys will change that drastically. I think the home will still be white and the road will be blue, might include a grey alternate. I anticipate the only things that will change are a few accents here and there in the stitching etc.

[McBeastie]

http://www.sportslogos.net/blog/2012/06/04/colour-change-coming-for-charlotte-bobcats/

Sorry if this has been posted before, but I like it!

Yeah, they had the colors off a bit. The ones we've seen on the draft cap & basket had closer to a navy blue, and Carolina-ish, color in them.

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/8052/bcatssecondaryoldnew.png

http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/116/bcatsprimaryoldnew.png

[Black]

http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/116/bcatsprimaryoldnew.png

I think we should ditch the orange all together in that one.

EDIT: Actually, I like the orange on "Bobcats". Maybe do the same thing with "Charlotte", but I don't like the "Charlotte" as it is there"

[CLTHornCats]

Yeah, they had the colors off a bit. The ones we've seen on the draft cap & basket had closer to a navy blue, and Carolina-ish, color in them.

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/8052/bcatssecondaryoldnew.png

http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/116/bcatsprimaryoldnew.png

I wonder what these colors would look like together if the orange were completely removed and a shade of purple was added as an accent for an updated take on the Hornets colors. I'm a believer that the old teal & purple won't return as we once knew it if they were to get the name back, but I still believe it would be silly to create new logos and uniforms just a year or so before a name change might occur.

[SJackson1]

the new colour scheme isn't bad to be fair

[Toocool]

The shift away from orange has been nothing but good.
Further de-emphasising of the orange is even better.

[ncstamey]

So I was just thinking... in theory, if the bobcat is silver/grey in the logo then they will probably need to make Rufus silver/grey. That would definitely be a pretty significant image change, I'd say... and one that desperately needs to be done. That costume is shit.

[SJackson1]

So I was just thinking... in theory, if the bobcat is silver/grey in the logo then they will probably need to make Rufus silver/grey. That would definitely be a pretty significant image change, I'd say... and one that desperately needs to be done. That costume is shit.

lol i would agree with that

[Mustachio]

John Morgan ‏@We_Beelieve (https://twitter.com/#%21/We_Beelieve) A NOLA News Reporter tweeted this and quickly removed it...does he know something we don't?!? :D :D :D http://pic.twitter.com/E8W5Lzgl (http://t.co/E8W5Lzgl)



(http://t.co/E8W5Lzgl)

[Black]

Very interesting!

[ND22]

John Morgan ‏@We_Beelieve (https://twitter.com/#%21/We_Beelieve) A NOLA News Reporter tweeted this and quickly removed it...does he know something we don't?!? :D :D :D http://pic.twitter.com/E8W5Lzgl (http://t.co/E8W5Lzgl)



(http://t.co/E8W5Lzgl)

:g:

Interesting....

[ammofan]

John Morgan ‏@We_Beelieve (https://twitter.com/#%21/We_Beelieve) A NOLA News Reporter tweeted this and quickly removed it...does he know something we don't?!? :D :D :D http://pic.twitter.com/E8W5Lzgl (http://t.co/E8W5Lzgl)



(http://t.co/E8W5Lzgl)


Everyone's talking about that on Twitter now. It looks like a DM that was accidentally sent as a tweet. hmmmmmmmm.

[JefDav84]

Everyone's talking about that on Twitter now. It looks like a DM that was accidentally sent as a tweet. hmmmmmmmm.

That's what I think to since he put his initials and said to call him.

[CLTHornCats]

You see, this sort of stuff is not good for my overall sanity. I see new leaked Bobcats merch and logos and give up hope on a Hornets re-brand and then stuff like this gives me new hope and makes me giddy like a little schoolgirl. SMH.

[Black]

He's calling it fake.


Paul Murphy ‏@PMurphyWWL
The twitter handle "We Believe" posted a picture of a tweet about the Hornets attributed to my account. The tweet is a fake or fabrication.

Suuuuuuuuuuure.

[Mustachio]

He's calling it fake.



Suuuuuuuuuuure.


Ok... its possible that it is a fake. But wouldn't they do it on someone's account that was even semi important?

[Plowright]

Thats very interesting. I can't believe that a guy with only 600 followers and must be a fairly small time news reporter would have that info though. They would keep it tight lipped, why would he know? He couldn't have THAT good a source inside could he?

[CatNation1]

if it was real it wouldn't say Jun 7th, it would say how many hours since it was posted since june 7th is....today

[Black]

if it was real it wouldn't say Jun 7th, it would say how many hours since it was posted since june 7th is....today

Very true. Well that sucks.

[Frosty06306]

if it was real it wouldn't say Jun 7th, it would say how many hours since it was posted since june 7th is....today
Great catch, they literally just admitted the picture was fake on twitter.

[Potato]

if it was real it wouldn't say Jun 7th, it would say how many hours since it was posted since june 7th is....today

This is true. I noticed that.

[BlockParty]

Thats very interesting. I can't believe that a guy with only 600 followers and must be a fairly small time news reporter would have that info though. They would keep it tight lipped, why would he know? He couldn't have THAT good a source inside could he?

Bingo !

Sad that the appeal has dropped so far that people are having to fabricate interest

[BlockParty]

if it was real it wouldn't say Jun 7th, it would say how many hours since it was posted since june 7th is....today

I sense the 'movements' credibility takes a major blow!

[SWedd523]

Wow what a great way to lose respect

[CatNation1]

imo the color change should have already put a major damper on this. everything with a Bobcats logo on it is gonna have to be redone and thats a lot of stuff and probably a decent chunk of change...they wouldnt bother with all that for something thats gonna change anytime soon.

[Mustachio]

Wow what a great way to lose respect


absolutely idiotic move on their part.

[JGib23]

What is it? Every time I click the link it doesn't show anything.

From what I know about John, I don't think he would fake anything and lose any credibility with the media, who up to this point has been the people giving the movement the most exposure.

Just my .02

[BigSams50]

Twitter page doesnt exist anymore :(