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SJackson1
06-20-2012, 10:53 PM
7 Days Away - Who Should We Pick at No 2 In The Draft ?

Black
06-20-2012, 10:59 PM
Voted Robinson before, voting Robinson again.

Whoever voted for Henson care to explain their pick? He shouldn't even be in the poll.

SJackson1
06-20-2012, 11:04 PM
i voted Robinson again also, solid pick

Potato
06-21-2012, 01:31 AM
MKG, I think can be a huge difference maker ! Great work ethic which we need . Team leader , would be foolish to pass on him !

Whiz Kid
06-21-2012, 01:58 AM
I picked Barnes, which a lot of people seem to disagree on but I'm still a fan of trying to trade down to get him. But who's the jokester that selected Henson? He'll be ok-decent but definitely not worth our 2nd pick.

BrotherDave
06-21-2012, 02:38 AM
I demand that Henson be removed from the poll options. I will throw kittens out of a moving truck, one every hour, until my demands are met.

SJackson1
06-21-2012, 08:12 AM
whoever we pick we need to get it right becasue in the past we have not got thr top picks correct !.

ohara831
06-21-2012, 09:58 AM
After having gone with T-Rob a few times, I am now leaning towards Drummond. But I reserve the right to amend my vote after we hear the results of the workout Friday. Want to know how they do against each other. Word will get out about how they did. Drummond should be able to handle the smaller T-Rob and not get manhandled. If T-Rob somehow gets the better of Drummond, I will likely go back to T-Rob. Have to wait and see.

IshHappens
06-21-2012, 10:37 AM
We SHOULD pick Robinson. Brings strength, length, toughness, and leadership to our frontcourt. I'm starting to think the pick will be Barnes though. The front office seems infatuated by him for some reason.

akaseinfeld
06-21-2012, 10:38 AM
After having gone with T-Rob a few times, I am now leaning towards Drummond. But I reserve the right to amend my vote after we hear the results of the workout Friday. Want to know how they do against each other. Word will get out about how they did. Drummond should be able to handle the smaller T-Rob and not get manhandled. If T-Rob somehow gets the better of Drummond, I will likely go back to T-Rob. Have to wait and see.


In regards to this, found this exchange on twitter between Sam Amick and another guy in regards to Robinson/Drummond workout yesterday:

Nate Jones ‏@JonesOnTheNBA
So Thomas Robinson beat down Drummond in their match up today, @Sam_Amick (https://twitter.com/sam_amick)?


https://twimg0-a.akamaihd.net/profile_images/1232097271/Work_pic_normal.jpg Sam Amick ‏@sam_amick (https://twitter.com/sam_amick)7h (https://twitter.com/sam_amick/status/215703785106964480)
@JonesOnTheNBA (https://twitter.com/JonesOnTheNBA) That's what I hear

SJackson1
06-21-2012, 10:57 AM
i think we should go for Robinson because we haven't had a decent PF in a long time !

ohara831
06-21-2012, 11:01 AM
In regards to this, found this exchange on twitter between Sam Amick and another guy in regards to Robinson/Drummond workout yesterday:

Nate Jones ‏@JonesOnTheNBA
So Thomas Robinson beat down Drummond in their match up today, @Sam_Amick (https://twitter.com/sam_amick)?


https://twimg0-a.akamaihd.net/profile_images/1232097271/Work_pic_normal.jpg Sam Amick ‏@sam_amick (https://twitter.com/sam_amick)7h (https://twitter.com/sam_amick/status/215703785106964480)
@JonesOnTheNBA (https://twitter.com/JonesOnTheNBA) That's what I hear

If T-Rob is able to manhandle someone the size of Drummond, then he will be fine at the PF position. Let's see how it plays out tomorrow. I'll be interested to see what word leaks out from that workout.

SJackson1
06-21-2012, 11:41 AM
Biyombo is 6ft 9 but he plays like he's 6ft 11 lol

Plowright
06-22-2012, 06:02 AM
I am liking Barnes as well, but more if we traded back to Cleveland or something. If there was anyway to stay at 2 and grab Clevelands 4th pick and takes Barnes that would be amazing

CamoAmmo35
06-22-2012, 10:02 AM
I think it's just down to Thomas Robinson, Harrison Barnes, and maybe Drummond. Don't think we're too interested in MKG now.

Freshlete
06-22-2012, 04:59 PM
I would want to know why someone would choose Barnes over Beal, other than Barnes being a SF. If we are going to select a perimeter player, why not go with the better one. Yes, we have Hendo but the only time I select for position is if the difference is negligible. And I don't think this is the case between those two. Beal is the better prospect.

CharlotteHornets
06-22-2012, 05:11 PM
I would want to know why someone would choose Barnes over Beal, other than Barnes being a SF. If we are going to select a perimeter player, why not go with the better one. Yes, we have Hendo but the only time I select for position is if the difference is negligible. And I don't think this is the case between those two. Beal is the better prospect.

I know that some people certainly feel the same way you do...but I have a gut feeling Barnes is going to suprise a lot of people in the NBA and if we don't take him people will be looking back saying...why didnt we take him???

Whiz Kid
06-22-2012, 05:29 PM
I don't see why people are high on Beal but not Lamb. I think Lamb is the better prospect. Only thing Beal is better at is rebounding, which we don't need from the guard position. I just don't get it. If we traded down and T-Rob and Barnes weren't available Lamb would be my pick. I wouldn't take Drummond because we already have our hands filled with project bigs in Biz and Mully.

SJackson1
06-22-2012, 06:20 PM
TRob would be the best option for us becasue he has the best all round game and he his still improving !.

Freshlete
06-22-2012, 06:24 PM
I don't see why people are high on Beal but not Lamb. I think Lamb is the better prospect. Only thing Beal is better at is rebounding, which we don't need from the guard position. I just don't get it. If we traded down and T-Rob and Barnes weren't available Lamb would be my pick. I wouldn't take Drummond because we already have our hands filled with project bigs in Biz and Mully.

Beal has a higher IQ, is a stronger finisher at the rim, more versatile scorer, better on ball defender, and like you said better rebounder.

Who says you don't need rebounding from the guard position?

SJackson1
06-22-2012, 07:07 PM
i like Beal, i think he's a great scorer and he his a solid rebounder at both ends of the floor. He also gets alot of steals which would help us get important stops

Whiz Kid
06-22-2012, 07:39 PM
Beal has a higher IQ, is a stronger finisher at the rim, more versatile scorer, better on ball defender, and like you said better rebounder.

Who says you don't need rebounding from the guard position?

First off, rebounding isn't a necessity from the guard position. You can live without your guards being great rebounders.

Second, the only thing Beal really has clear over Lamb is 1) Bulkier which leads to strength and 2) the "it" factor.

Lamb had the same 3pt percentage but higher 2pt percentage which leads to Lamb having a higher overall FG percentage. The NBA will cater to Lamb more because he's able to consistently score from the "Sweet Spot", 15-18ft mid-range game. Also Lamb could have had better numbers if he hadn't been in the situation UCONN was in, same with Drummond. Plus the poorly ran offense contributes to worse numbers as well

Lamb is a better defender than Beal because hes decent on ball is better off ball because he can play passing lanes because of his length.

Lamb is also just as good, if not better than Beal off the dribble but Beal has the edge in scoring with contact.

It could go either I go either way I guess but I'd give it to Lamb. I guess its just me though.

SJackson1
06-22-2012, 10:44 PM
Barnes is getting alot of votes !

Freshlete
06-23-2012, 01:33 AM
First off, rebounding isn't a necessity from the guard position. You can live without your guards being great rebounders.

Second, the only thing Beal really has clear over Lamb is 1) Bulkier which leads to strength and 2) the "it" factor.

Lamb had the same 3pt percentage but higher 2pt percentage which leads to Lamb having a higher overall FG percentage. The NBA will cater to Lamb more because he's able to consistently score from the "Sweet Spot", 15-18ft mid-range game. Also Lamb could have had better numbers if he hadn't been in the situation UCONN was in, same with Drummond. Plus the poorly ran offense contributes to worse numbers as well

Lamb is a better defender than Beal because hes decent on ball is better off ball because he can play passing lanes because of his length.

Lamb is also just as good, if not better than Beal off the dribble but Beal has the edge in scoring with contact.

It could go either I go either way I guess but I'd give it to Lamb. I guess its just me though.

But you just can't dismiss rebounding from the guard position. It's an aded bonus for Beal and it just goes to show that he has no fear in attacking the ball and rim. He will do whatever the team needs him to do.

I haven't watched Lamb play that much but if you said he has a better mid range then I'll take your word. That is one thing Bradley could improve on. Beal is a good shooter and can drive but needs to work on scoring off the dribble when it comes to mid range. But Beal to me is just more of an aggressor and he knows what to do in certain situations. Basketball IQ is something that shouldn't be overlooked. I'd personally rather have a good on ball defender than off ball, but that's just me. Because if you can't guard your own man than everything else in team defense is thrown off.

All that's your opinion but I just see Beal as a more versatile player that I think is more of a sure thing.

ALong13
06-23-2012, 02:46 AM
I honestly think we are down to Robinson and Barnes, I'm really, really hoping for Robinson. I think the man can start right away and be a good part of our team. I think 12 & 7 will be an easy number for him in his rookie year, if not more. I think he has potential to improve as well, maybe not as much potential as a guy like Drummond, but I think he is light years ahead of Drummond right now, and honestly I question our ability to develop a guy as raw as Drummond...

Kemba2Hendo
06-23-2012, 03:09 AM
I voted Beal who is easily the BPA at #2.

We can't afford to take a midget PF.

spectre
06-23-2012, 04:06 AM
I voted Beal who is easily the BPA at #2.

We can't afford to take a midget PF.

6'9" is midget PF? :g:

dnbman
06-23-2012, 07:55 AM
6'9" is midget PF? :g:

We've already shown on this board that 6'9 is just about average, if in the smallish side of average (6'9-6'10) for starting NBA PFs this season.

There's only a handful that are more than an inch taller than Robinson, and I'd take Robinson's athletic ability over that inch or two just about every time.

Time to put the small talk to rest.

Black
06-23-2012, 12:08 PM
Not to mention the "midget" has really long arms.

dnbman
06-23-2012, 12:10 PM
Not to mention the "midget" has really long arms.

Yes. And there are several Mike Tyson quotes that would not seem out of context coming from the "midget."

SWedd523
06-23-2012, 12:24 PM
Yes. And there are several Mike Tyson quotes that would not seem out of context coming from the "midget."

Napoleon complex

Black
06-23-2012, 12:27 PM
I'm about 6'8'' without shoes if Bonnell is reading this and wants to put a word in for me. I'll take a hard foul.

Scrapper1
06-23-2012, 01:39 PM
Who wouldnt like a guard that rebounds well?I cant believe this is a debate, lol. I like a few players in this draft. Beal, Barnes, T-Rob, MKG, Deion Waiters and a few more. Would be cool if we could get two top 10 talents like T-Rob and Barnes, etc. But im leaning towards T-Rob.. with Barnes second. Bobcats need scoring and solid building blocks for the future. Drummond would be a true heartbreaker if he lives up to his potential. Great draft class.. excited for the 28th. Hit a homerun, Bobcats!!

Black
06-23-2012, 01:46 PM
Who wouldnt like a guard that rebounds well?I cant believe this is a debate, lol. I like a few players in this draft. Beal, Barnes, T-Rob, MKG, Deion Waiters and a few more. Would be cool if we could get two top 10 talents like T-Rob and Barnes, etc. But im leaning towards T-Rob.. with Barnes second. Bobcats need scoring and solid building blocks for the future. Drummond would be a true heartbreaker if he lives up to his potential. Great draft class.. excited for the 26th. Hit a homerun, Bobcats!!

Sadly, it's not until the 28th.

Scrapper1
06-23-2012, 02:54 PM
^^Typo.. my birthday is on the 26th,lol. Its on my mind a heavy.. yes, the 28th.

SJackson1
06-23-2012, 06:29 PM
its a tough decison for us bur our scouts need to asses every player and make a wise choice for the No 2 pick.

Kemba2Hendo
06-23-2012, 06:57 PM
Not to mention the "midget" has really long arms.

He is 6' 7, Barnes is taller than him, he doesn't fit well with Biz, it would be an undersized frontcourt. If we take him just call us the Hawks, I for one will not be happy with just making the playoffs, I'd rather be stuck in rebuild mode forever than settle for that.

Kemba2Hendo
06-23-2012, 07:00 PM
Beal is easily the BPA after Davis, who cares about fit we will worry about that later, we need to take the best potential player, he has D Wade potential. T-Rob has hit his ceiling and is basically a Reggie Evans clone, we could get that in FA.

SJackson1
06-23-2012, 07:21 PM
this years draft is really intriguing becasue we could pick any of 5 players and different people have different opinions about who they want to draft. I don't think any of TRob, MKG, Barnes or Beal have rached their ceiling yet and each one of them could be all stars in the future

Black
06-23-2012, 07:34 PM
He is 6' 7, Barnes is taller than him, he doesn't fit well with Biz, it would be an undersized frontcourt. If we take him just call us the Hawks, I for one will not be happy with just making the playoffs, I'd rather be stuck in rebuild mode forever than settle for that.

He's 6'7.75'' without shoes, and 6'8.75'' in shoes. Lucky for us, they still allow players to wear shoes.

Kemba2Hendo
06-23-2012, 07:51 PM
He's 6'7.75'' without shoes, and 6'8.75'' in shoes. Lucky for us, they still allow players to wear shoes.

Still too small especially when we can draft a much better Cody Zeller next year and slide Biz to the 4.

Black
06-23-2012, 08:04 PM
Still too small especially when we can draft a much better Cody Zeller next year and slide Biz to the 4.

As has been discussed in other threads, you can't look at things that way. There is no way of telling where will be drafting or whether Zeller will declare. Bismack is perfectly capable of playing center, and Robinson would be a great compliment to him.

SJackson1
06-23-2012, 08:07 PM
As has been discussed in other threads, you can't look at things that way. There is no way of telling where will be drafting or whether Zeller will declare. Bismack is perfectly capable of playing center, and Robinson would be a great compliment to him.


agree with you mate !, TRob and Biyombo would be a very good combo !

Kemba2Hendo
06-23-2012, 08:09 PM
As has been discussed in other threads, you can't look at things that way. There is no way of telling where will be drafting or whether Zeller will declare. Bismack is perfectly capable of playing center, and Robinson would be a great compliment to him.

There are other good C's next season to choose from and we will certainly be picking in the top half again and T-Rob and Biz is a undersized frontcourt and a terrible fit with each other.

Black
06-23-2012, 08:10 PM
There are other good C's next season to choose from and we will certainly be picking in the top half again and T-Rob and Biz is a undersized frontcourt and a terrible fit with each other.

If you value height more than length, sure.

SJackson1
06-23-2012, 08:13 PM
There are other good C's next season to choose from and we will certainly be picking in the top half again and T-Rob and Biz is a undersized frontcourt and a terrible fit with each other.

are you kidding me ?

Biyombo is only 19 years old so he has chance to grow and he plays like he's 6ft 11 anyway

Kemba2Hendo
06-23-2012, 08:17 PM
are you kidding me ?

Biyombo is only 19 years old so he has chance to grow and he plays like he's 6ft 11 anyway

I was more talking about the 6'8 player that thinks he is a jump shooter!

SJackson1
06-23-2012, 08:21 PM
I was more talking about the 6'8 player that thinks he is a jump shooter!

he's 6ft 8 3/4 and he has a fantastic wingspan an he can jump shoot !

Kemba2Hendo
06-23-2012, 08:41 PM
he's 6ft 8 3/4 and he has a fantastic wingspan an he can jump shoot !

No he thinks he can shoot jumpers.

He only shot 39% in the tourney, not #2 pick worthy numbers. Maybe if we trade down to the #4 he'd be worth that pick.

SJackson1
06-23-2012, 08:43 PM
No he thinks he can jump shoot.

He only shot 39 % in the tourney, not #2 pick worthy numbers. Maybe if we trade down to the #4 he'd be worth that pick.

we cannot afford to trade down in this draft in my opinion. I think our scouts and managers would have spent alot of time assesing each potential pick for us and hopefully they will get it right lol

Kemba2Hendo
06-23-2012, 08:47 PM
we cannot afford to trade down in this draft in my opinion. I think our scouts and managers would have spent alot of time assesing each potential pick for us and hopefully they will get it right lol

What? Trading with Cleveland for the #4 and #24 makes a lot of sense because after the #1 pick this year there isn't much difference in the rest of the prospects, getting an extra 1st rounder would be a pretty big deal.

SJackson1
06-23-2012, 08:53 PM
What? Trading with Cleveland for the #4 and #24 makes a lot of sense because after the #1 pick this year there isn't much difference in the rest of the prospects, getting an extra 1st rounder would be a pretty big deal.

thats why our scouts and managers need to be assesing each player in depth so that they might rate the players differently. We have a chance of the number 2 pick so everyone involved with the Bobcats staff will be trying to pick the best possible player at No 2

BrotherDave
06-24-2012, 12:26 AM
this years draft is really intriguing becasue we could pick any of 5 players and different people have different opinions about who they want to draft. I don't think any of TRob, MKG, Barnes or Beal have rached their ceiling yet and each one of them could be all stars in the future

Yeah, I'm a huge advocate for Drummond and Royce White but truth be told I'm ambivalent on all of them. I'll only get mad if we find some way to draft Jamaal Magloire again somehow.

Potential rank: Drummond>MKG>Beal>Robinson=Barnes
NBA ready rank: Robinson>Beal>Barnes>MKG>Drummond
Current Needs rank: Drummond>Robinson>Barnes>Beal>MKG

So really, there's a guy for everybody depending on what flavor you prefer.

SJackson1
06-24-2012, 06:26 PM
Yeah, I'm a huge advocate for Drummond and Royce White but truth be told I'm ambivalent on all of them. I'll only get mad if we find some way to draft Jamaal Magloire again somehow.

Potential rank: Drummond>MKG>Beal>Robinson=Barnes
NBA ready rank: Robinson>Beal>Barnes>MKG>Drummond
Current Needs rank: Drummond>Robinson>Barnes>Beal>MKG

So really, there's a guy for everybody depending on what flavor you prefer.

Im liking TRob or MKG at this moment in time but it might change as it gets closer to the draft lol

spectre
06-24-2012, 06:56 PM
Yeah, I'm a huge advocate for Drummond and Royce White but truth be told I'm ambivalent on all of them. I'll only get mad if we find some way to draft Jamaal Magloire again somehow.

Potential rank: Drummond>MKG>Beal>Robinson=Barnes
NBA ready rank: Robinson>Beal>Barnes>MKG>Drummond
Current Needs rank: Drummond>Robinson>Barnes>Beal>MKG

So really, there's a guy for everybody depending on what flavor you prefer.

Just curious, why did you rank Drummond on top of our current needs list?

SJackson1
06-24-2012, 07:02 PM
Just curious, why did you rank Drummond on top of our current needs list?


i son't think he his top of the list to be honest, i would say Robsinson or MKG are

Kemba2Hendo
06-24-2012, 11:43 PM
Listening to the Barnes interview I heard him say someone took him out to dinner the night before his workout, I could not tell who but if it were MJ or Coach Dunlap that would seem kind of odd. I wonder if he let something slip he was not supposed too?

DCAWFAN
06-24-2012, 11:43 PM
If Mkg had the shooting touch of Beal or even Barnes I would be all over him. But he struggles from mid range and 3. Hes going to really need to develop it to become the game changer that we need him to be at that position. If we could get TROB and Barnes i would be enthralled. However to choose between the two i think we choose a slightly less developed barnes. TROB and MKG had one great season and we are judging them off of it. Barnes did the same but have a weaker 2nd year so we are judging them off of it. What had trob done to prove himself before this past year or how can we predict what mkg's next year of college be like. Because of this i don't believe we can say they are going to be any better than barnes in the nba. Personally TROB or Barnes will be a good choice, but i think barnes has much more upside and room to grow. He just needs to learn more ways to "break ankles", and how to make his drive to the basket a little bit smoother, which can be easily accomplished. Adding Trob would give us two slightly undersized big men which could leave us with bad match ups at both positions against some teams. On the draft video one of his weak spots listed was his unablity to perform against some men bigger than himself.

SJackson1
06-25-2012, 09:40 AM
If Mkg had the shooting touch of Beal or even Barnes I would be all over him. But he struggles from mid range and 3. Hes going to really need to develop it to become the game changer that we need him to be at that position. If we could get TROB and Barnes i would be enthralled. However to choose between the two i think we choose a slightly less developed barnes. TROB and MKG had one great season and we are judging them off of it. Barnes did the same but have a weaker 2nd year so we are judging them off of it. What had trob done to prove himself before this past year or how can we predict what mkg's next year of college be like. Because of this i don't believe we can say they are going to be any better than barnes in the nba. Personally TROB or Barnes will be a good choice, but i think barnes has much more upside and room to grow. He just needs to learn more ways to "break ankles", and how to make his drive to the basket a little bit smoother, which can be easily accomplished. Adding Trob would give us two slightly undersized big men which could leave us with bad match ups at both positions against some teams. On the draft video one of his weak spots listed was his unablity to perform against some men bigger than himself.

not many Power Fowards in the NBA will be as athletic as TRob is which will help him create space for himself to shoot or hook. He also is a terrific rebounder and has the heart and determination which you can't teach players

BrotherDave
06-26-2012, 05:20 PM
Just curious, why did you rank Drummond on top of our current needs list?

Robinson is generally considered as our safest pick b/c he provides toughness and rebounding, but I think Andre provides size (more roster flexibility trying to figure out where to play Biz), athleticism (T-Rob is close but Drummond's easily better and we are sorely lacking in athletes), blocking (better than Rob), and rebounding (not as good as Rob but should get better or at least be competent). He also displayed a nice flair for passing in high school.

So Andre edges out Thomas even though the latter is a better player now. But winning now isn't that big a need currently.

spectre
06-26-2012, 05:54 PM
Bobcats must roll with pick on offense (http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/46524/bobcats-must-roll-with-pick-on-offense)

Robinson would be a huge help to Kemba in P&R as well as likely getting Smack more easy buckets. And if he's helping two of the guys he's helping the whole team. We already have one raw as hell C on the roster. I can't really see how adding another would be the best help in our current situation.

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/stats/teamsort/NBA/T-BLKAVG/regularseason

Blocks...we were 6th in the league in blocks per game last season. More would definitely be nice, but it's not one of our biggest current needs.

We were 29th in total boards...you gave Drummond rebounding with the caveat that "not as good but should get better" which doesn't go along with "current". That's easily Robinson.

I'm all for athleticism and height but I like our C project in Smack who has athleticism out the ass. I see him & Drummond getting in each others way a lot in the paint and Smack wouldn't have help defense anytime soon. Robinson would help that the 1st week and would definitely be better than any other big we have. He knows how to block out (what a concept!) and IMO would be the best fit for Smack right now and in the near future on both D & O.

Currently it has to be Robinson.

SJackson1
06-26-2012, 06:01 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiA1Cq6PIKw Skip Bayless says stay away from Barnes

dnbman
06-26-2012, 07:47 PM
Love the fact that Stephen A. takes a minute to make sure we all know the Bobcats were the worst team ever, especially since it was so essential to the point he was about to make.

And by love, I mean in a Mike Tyson behind the bushes kind of way.

Whiz Kid
06-26-2012, 11:56 PM
So if Skip Bayless says stay away from Barnes that must mean something. He's only wrong 60 to 75 percent of the time. Look. You can point out the weaknesses in every player in this draft to make them seem bad. You can "what if" any player. You never know. I also don't think you should ever just think about BPA. Its much more about fit and need. It just so happens that in this particular draft, we need BPA but we shouldn't just limit ourselves to that. I think MKG is getting a lot of hype from being a part of the championship run. Don't get me wrong, he played a great part in Kentucky's run but he's really hyped up. It's gotta be a trade down and T-Rob or Barnes for us. However our FO is feeling. If they wan't to go safe they go T-Rob, if they wan't to take the risk, they go Barnes. I'm calling Barnes the risk because he can either become a top scorer in the 25-30ppg range or he can either become a role player and be a 10-15ppg scorer, but he's likely to be somewhere in the 16-24ppg range. But once again, you never know. T-Rob is the safe pick because he is the guy that we have the best idea on what we're gonna get on a nightly basis, but also has the potential to be alot better. We generally have an idea that we're going to get at least a double-double average from him. Look into the likelyhoods of every player instead of pointing out weaknesses in the players you don't like. It could really get you thinking into better and likely possibilities instead of dreaming about what could be.

dnbman
06-27-2012, 12:02 AM
Look into the likelyhoods of every player instead of pointing out weaknesses in the players you don't like. It could really get you thinking into better and likely possibilities instead of dreaming about what could be.

Yeah, evaluations frequently tend to focus way too heavily on either positives or negatives. You have to consider the totality of the player and how that game will translate in total to the NBA.

SJackson1
06-27-2012, 12:05 AM
no one has Barnes as high as number 2 so we should go for Robinson, MKG or Beal in my opinion.

Potato
06-27-2012, 12:44 AM
We should definitely go MKg after tonight's trade. I've thought he was BPA all along and he just fits in so well.

Kemba2Hendo
06-27-2012, 02:04 AM
It seems like MKG or Barnes now.

Veteran_Picksetter
06-27-2012, 02:19 AM
It seems like MKG or Barnes now.

I'm hoping Robinson and then a backup SF at 31.

He's not the best fit positionally, but Robinson kills a few birds with one stone: Rebounding, toughness, pick-and-roll offense, stretching the D with some outside buckets. All things that the team needs.

SJackson1
06-27-2012, 09:13 AM
I'm hoping Robinson and then a backup SF at 31.

He's not the best fit positionally, but Robinson kills a few birds with one stone: Rebounding, toughness, pick-and-roll offense, stretching the D with some outside buckets. All things that the team needs.


who would you start at SF ?

akaseinfeld
06-27-2012, 11:17 AM
According to the great Chad Ford:

Beal and Barnes are off our board after the BG trade.

We know the real intrigue of the draft begins at No. 2 with the Charlotte Bobcats (http://espn.go.com/nba/team/_/name/Cha). Their trade of Corey Maggette for Ben Gordon and a 2013 first rounder from Detroit makes things a little easier if they keep the pick.


I think you can now safely scratch Bradley Beal (http://insider.espn.go.com/nbadraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2010&playerId=19658) off the board (his entire advisor team takes a huge sigh of relief). Ditto for Harrison Barnes (http://insider.espn.go.com/nbadraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2010&playerId=19461) (another huge exhale).


Michael Kidd-Gilchrist (http://insider.espn.go.com/nbadraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2010&playerId=19651) is very much in the mix, however if they keep the pick it still sounds like Thomas Robinson (http://insider.espn.go.com/nbadraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2010&playerId=19459) has the slight edge.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/blog/...ffle-top-picks (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/blog/_/name/nba_draft/id/8101352/2012-nba-draft-draft-nears-trades-shuffle-top-picks)

cltblkhscoach
06-27-2012, 11:30 AM
Why would that take Barnes off of our board? If anything that would put him higher since he plays the 3.....this Chad Ford guy is getting on my nerves....like we are the worst situation ever.

Veteran_Picksetter
06-27-2012, 11:39 AM
who would you start at SF ?

Good question, but how much should that matter on draft night to a team as bad as us? I think T-Rob is a more superior pick for the NBA game than MKG or Barnes for any team.

That said, I guess It'd have to be Reggie Williams if we do nothing. I know that's scary, but he has the length for it and we are still in youth movement mode. Throw him in there and see what he can do.

It'd be nice if we could re-sign Derrick Brown for cheap. Then I'd say him because he showed nice stuff last season. Plus he has great length and vertical presence at the 3 to help offset the fact that T-Rob and Biyombo make a small big man duo.

Veteran_Picksetter
06-27-2012, 11:44 AM
Why would that take Barnes off of our board? If anything that would put him higher since he plays the 3.....this Chad Ford guy is getting on my nerves....like we are the worst situation ever.

Yeah, I don't get it. Barnes has enough physical size and vertical leap to play the 3. Although I think he could also be a decent 2 who posts guys up.

NiceKrispy
06-27-2012, 12:11 PM
Once again, no one really knows who we will take or what we will do come tomorrow night. I don't see how acquiring Ben Gordon and trading Maggette would take Barnes off of our board. Definitely Beal I guess, but now we don't have a 3. I'm anxious to see if they move Tyrus or not. I think doing that would lock TRob in at #2. As of right now its anybody's guess who we take though.

SWedd523
06-27-2012, 12:13 PM
Ford is a fucking dumbass.


That's all i'm going to say anytime he makes some backhanded comment about the team.

Potato
06-27-2012, 04:18 PM
I'm just so pumped for everything to unfold

TheBeagle
06-27-2012, 05:37 PM
Why would that take Barnes off of our board? If anything that would put him higher since he plays the 3.....this Chad Ford guy is getting on my nerves....like we are the worst situation ever. Totally agree but I don't even see how it takes Beal off the board. Ben Gordon is not a longterm solution here, hell, I'm skeptical he plays a game here, and even if he does he's a second unit guy; Beal appears to be a certified starter in the league with much more diverse skills than Gordon.

In summary, Chad Ford is garbage.

SJackson1
06-27-2012, 06:05 PM
well we need a starting Power Foward and a Small Foward and there are several options in the draft for us to fulfill these needs. I think we should take Robinson and maybe get a SF as a later pick

dnbman
06-27-2012, 06:17 PM
Totally agree but I don't even see how it takes Beal off the board. Ben Gordon is not a longterm solution here, hell, I'm skeptical he plays a game here, and even if he does he's a second unit guy; Beal appears to be a certified starter in the league with much more diverse skills than Gordon.

In summary, Chad Ford is garbage.

We should start a site where we trash Ford and ESPN columnists called Inside Insider. $.25 get you access for life.

SWedd523
06-27-2012, 10:23 PM
$.25 get you access for life.
Doesn't your wife offer the same deal?

Black
06-27-2012, 11:23 PM
Doesn't your wife offer the same deal?

http://www.ipfwcommunicator.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/oh-snap.jpg

dnbman
06-27-2012, 11:55 PM
Doesn't your wife offer the same deal?

It was for life, but it was a lot more than $.25.

BobcatsWIN
06-28-2012, 08:03 AM
I want either Michael Kidd-Gilchrist or Bradley Beal at #2.

SJackson1
06-28-2012, 08:21 AM
MKG is going to be a special player in my opinion, great defender and has potential to be an NBA all defender

Scrapper1
06-28-2012, 08:36 AM
Never been a big fan of ESPN. I think they spend too much time cracking jokes and less time giving us accuracy in sports news. Jemele Hill, Chad Ford, Skip Bayless,etc are more fit for comedy central than sports. But then again, you have to actually be funny.. so that can present a problem. Chad Ford's knowledge of sports has left him...just like his hairline did.

spectre
06-28-2012, 08:52 AM
It was for life, but it was a lot more than $.25.

Only a single guy would ask that question...wife gets everything.

"Who Should We Pick at No. 2 In the Draft"?

I haven't a fucking clue.

dnbman
06-28-2012, 10:08 AM
Only a single guy would ask that question...wife gets everything.

I defer to Chris Rock on this.

(If you don't know: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yqssU99MU8 First two minutes. NSFW!!)