Tom Sorensen Blasts Harrison Barnes - Matt Carroll 2.0?

[McBeastie]

Wrote this after Barnes' workout today.

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2012/06/21/3333350/harrison-barnes-matt-carroll-redux.html

Admittedly I'm not big on taking Barnes #2, but still believe he'll be a solid pro. Carroll has never possessed the kind of athleticism Barnes does. I think HB has the tools to be more than just a jump shooter, and it's on him to use them.

What do you guys think? Is Tom just trollin' again?

[CharlotteHornets]

Wrote this after Barnes' workout today.

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2012/06/21/3333350/harrison-barnes-matt-carroll-redux.html

Admittedly I'm not big on taking Barnes #2, but still believe he'll be a solid pro. Carroll has never possessed the kind of athleticism Barnes does. I think HB has the tools to be more than just a jump shooter, and it's on him to use them.

What do you guys think? Is Tom just trollin' again?

Sorenson is IDIOTIC! I'm not going to waste my time listing all of the reasons this article is ridiculous and might as well be used for toilet paper....

Matt Carroll: No Step Vert = 28.0" Wingspan = 6'6.5" Lane Agility = 11.11 3/4 Court Sprint = 3.35 - Had a slow release from shot down low over his shoulder...does not have strength or athleticism to finish in the lane

Harrison Barnes: No Step Vert = 38.0" Wingspan = 6'11.25" Lane Agility = 10.93 3/4 Court Sprint = 3.16 - Has a quick high release...and has the strength and athleticism to finish in the lane

So basically Harrison Barnes is Bigger, Taller, Longer Wingspan, Can Jump Higher, Can Run Faster, Has More Agility, Has More Strength, and Has a Better Release on his shot....other than that they are exactly the same....

IDIOT!

[ND22]

Video of Dunlap working with the players:

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/420/index.html?media_id=http://www.charlotteobserver.com/420/index.html?media_id=146879961

The more I see, the more I like.

[JGib23]

I'm a Carolina fan and I think that #2 for Barnes is risky but, c'mon Tom.

Matt cant carry Barnes' jock strap...

Barnes tested out as one of the best athletes at the combine, Matt couldn't test as one of the better Athletes on this message board.... ( I question Barnes ability to traslate his athelecism into on court production though)

Barnes was primarily a post player in HS so, I can understand his slow transition into becoming a great one on one perimeter player but, i think he has the skill set to do it.

[kickazzz2000]

http://files.sharenator.com/They_see_me_trollin_They_hatin_The_Art_of_Trolling-s407x405-128685-535.jpg

[Veteran_Picksetter]

Carroll vs. Barnes is not even close.

Barnes is working with so much more height, reach, wingspan, muscle, speed, and leaping ability....at age 20. And his shooting form is superior and harder to block.

(Edit) CharlotteHornets spelled it out perfectly in his edit. And the thing to remember is that we are drafting prospects with tools, not finished products.

[dnbman]

What I hate most about the article is that Tom assumes he knows what Barnes, a 20 year old kid, is capable of. Granted, he clearly needs work, but I don't think he's reached his potential yet. Pair him with a guy like Dunlap and the right assistant, and I think Barnes could develop into an overall scorer.

I'm still not sure he's worth the second pick, but he's definitely worth a higher pick.

[BETCATS]

Tom Sorensen should quit sports writing and become a critic of lead paintchip-based foods.

[ZackTB23]

He's an idiot.

[Jerp]

Trollin hard

[Plowright]

Sorenson is a mug... Who does he think he is?

[Veteran_Picksetter]

I can picture Harrison Barnes posting up "2's"/SmallerWings a good bit. Carroll?? Not a chance.

[Whiz Kid]

My probable comparison to Harrison Barnes would be Danny Granger. Carroll? Get outta' here..

[McBeastie]

He's gotta stick to human-interest pieces or something. Whenever he tries to do analysis his arguments are usually sloppy and without many supporting facts.

[superb1]

Tom has a man crush on MKG, so he has tunnel vision. He also said Panthers should have drafted Justin Blackmon but we see how that worked out.

[TheBeagle]

Sorensen is clearly auditioning for a job on ESPN with that piece of shock-schlock journalism. As a Tar Heel, I was mercilessly hard on Barnes this season but even at my worst I wouldn't compare him to Matt. Marvin Williams 2.0 maybe. Matt Carroll 2.0? Never.

[Scrapper1]

That guy is nuts.. MATT CARROLL?! Thats kind of like saying Derrick Favors is Lamarcus Aldridge 2.0 cause they both dunk,smh. Carroll cant do half the things that Barnes can do. Thats some Skip Bayless type bias right there. I really like that Barnes interview on the Bobcats site, he has great maturity. Can you imagine him and T-Rob playing together? Sheesh..

[ammofan]

I wish there was a way to get Robinson and HB

[KembaSlice]

Sorenson also loved Weinke.

[Dcarnys]

I wish there was a way to get Robinson and HB

Thats pretty much my pipe dream for this draft.

[bes628]

The Fuck is this BS ?

[Plowright]

I think we should delete this thread just because it is so outrageous

[gamecocksmitty4]

That article is pretty funny. And it's not that far off. People are using his athletic abilities as a reason why he is not just a shooter. Only problem is that he doesn't use those athletic abilities in a game. The guy's ball handling skills are atrocious. He couldn't get by a brick wall, much less a fully-functional NBA player.

[McBeastie]

I think we should delete this thread just because it is so outrageous

Lol, before it turns into the Sorensen slander thread. I think we can merge it into the HB thread on the Draft board, no?

[JefDav84]

I am just now reading this article this morning and I must say it is possibly the dumbest thing I have ever read.

[Wolfpackbobcat]

Barnes is the black Matt Carroll.

http://25.media.tumblr.com/avatar_6feb8634e3d0_128.png

[kickazzz2000]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oavMtUWDBTM

[G Wuh Wuh Wuh Wallace]

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[Bucko]

That article is pretty funny. And it's not that far off. People are using his athletic abilities as a reason why he is not just a shooter. Only problem is that he doesn't use those athletic abilities in a game. The guy's ball handling skills are atrocious. He couldn't get by a brick wall, much less a fully-functional NBA player.

This is a pretty good summation of Harrison Barnes, and also pretty much what Sorenson was trying to say. Maybe the comparasion to Carroll was clumsy, but in reality if Barnes plays the way he's played up to this point he'll be pretty much the same type of player.

Barnes has potential to be different, but as of now he hasn't shown in any real fashion that he would actually be different. Having the tools and not using them is no different than not having the tools in the first place.

[Veteran_Picksetter]

This is a pretty good summation of Harrison Barnes, and also pretty much what Sorenson was trying to say. Maybe the comparasion to Carroll was clumsy, but in reality if Barnes plays the way he's played up to this point he'll be pretty much the same type of player.

Barnes has potential to be different, but as of now he hasn't shown in any real fashion that he would actually be different. Having the tools and not using them is no different than not having the tools in the first place.

Barnes has been known to post up some guards occasionally and be effective down there. He is a 2/3 while Carroll is a straight 2 who can't post up anybody.

Also, Barnes DID use his speed at UNC.

I think the comparison is not fair.

[BobCatsFanInTx]

Spot on assessment. At least in regards to how he will be early on. To pick Harrison Barnes anywhere in the early lottery is a big risk. Lottery teams should look for instant impact type players and Harrison Barnes is not that kind of player by far. There are many guys at least in the early lottery who project to make solid if not great contributions right from the start. If Barnes must go lottery it should be late in the lottery.

[BobCatsFanInTx]

I'm a Carolina fan and I think that #2 for Barnes is risky but, c'mon Tom.

Matt cant carry Barnes' jock strap...

Barnes tested out as one of the best athletes at the combine, Matt couldn't test as one of the better Athletes on this message board.... ( I question Barnes ability to traslate his athelecism into on court production though)

Barnes was primarily a post player in HS so, I can understand his slow transition into becoming a great one on one perimeter player but, i think he has the skill set to do it.I could care less about Barnes's athleticism he will only be a slight upgrade from Matt Carroll. At least early on. Tom Sorensen is being an ass no doubt but it is valid to say that Harrison Barnes may never be an All Star and to pick him in the early lottery is stupid. Barnes gets more respect than he deserves. I have seen plenty of gifted athletes who could never turn those gifts into success on NBA courts. Barnes was a solid player in college but he never measured up to his physical gifts and intangibles. It is possible he is one of those guys who is better in the pros than college but I feel it is a risk no team in the early lottery has the luxury of finding out.

[BobCatsFanInTx]

Carroll vs. Barnes is not even close.

Barnes is working with so much more height, reach, wingspan, muscle, speed, and leaping ability....at age 20. And his shooting form is superior and harder to block.

(Edit) CharlotteHornets spelled it out perfectly in his edit. And the thing to remember is that we are drafting prospects with tools, not finished products.Drafting prospects for potential that may or may not exist is where this team will get bit in the ass. They need instant impact with at least the first pick. Harrison Barnes may take at least four years to amount to anything special. In the long term he probably will far exceed Matt Carroll but that is not saying much. In the short term he will be marginally better than Matt Carroll and that is not good enough. If the Bobcats select Harrison Barnes with the second pick it will bite them in the ass. Harrison may ONE DAY be something special but he is no #2 pick and it would be a huge reach to pick him so soon. So many other more polished and ready to contribute solidly to the team players that taking projects at #2 is pure stupidity.

[BobCatsFanInTx]

I like that my caption now says "The All Knowing All Seeing Cho ". Unfortunately I doubt that even Cho will be that stellar in doing his job. It would be nice however. We would be a Dynasty the likes of no previous sports team let alone NBA team has ever been. Man that would be awesome. If our Bobcats become half that good it will be awesome. However I will for sure question Cho's genius if he persuades MJ and co to take Harrison Barnes at #2 or for the matter anywhere before #11 if we trade for more picks.

[BrotherDave]

This is a bunch of straight up horseshit! Never in Worrisome Barne's wildest dreams will he be half the player that Matt Carroll is!

[Veteran_Picksetter]

Drafting prospects for potential that may or may not exist is where this team will get bit in the ass. They need instant impact with at least the first pick. Harrison Barnes may take at least four years to amount to anything special. In the long term he probably will far exceed Matt Carroll but that is not saying much. In the short term he will be marginally better than Matt Carroll and that is not good enough. If the Bobcats select Harrison Barnes with the second pick it will bite them in the ass. Harrison may ONE DAY be something special but he is no #2 pick and it would be a huge reach to pick him so soon. So many other more polished and ready to contribute solidly to the team players that taking projects at #2 is pure stupidity.

Barnes is not purely a "project". He has an NBA shot, NBA body, and NBA mobility for the 2 wing spots NOW. And hopefully he will improve on his current weaknesses if we are the ones selecting him.

And I'm glad you think he will probably far exceed Matt Carroll. That's exactly what I've been saying.

I want T-Rob, but if we grab Barnes, there can be a bright side to that.

This draft is pretty much a crap shoot. So many glaring question marks among the top prospects.

And if you want to talk about immediate need, considering our youth core, we need a young small forward with a shooting touch more than anything. We are not playing to make the playoffs in the next year or two. We're playing for longterm development.

[BobCatsFanInTx]

Barnes is not purely a "project". He has an NBA shot, NBA body, and NBA mobility for the 2 wing spots NOW. And hopefully he will improve on his current weaknesses if we are the ones selecting him.

And I'm glad you think he will probably far exceed Matt Carroll. That's exactly what I've been saying.

I want T-Rob, but if we grab Barnes, there can be a bright side to that.

This draft is pretty much a crap shoot. So many glaring question marks among the top prospects.

And if you want to talk about immediate need, considering our youth core, we need a young small forward with a shooting touch more than anything. We are not playing to make the playoffs in the next year or two. We're playing for longterm development.I agree about long term development but we need instant star power to get butts in the seats. Otherwise we are stuck playing the waiting game and I prefer the team go with players who can make an instant impact. We do not need another Alexis Ajinca. That is the last thing we need early in the draft.

[BobCatsFanInTx]

This is a bunch of straight up horseshit! Never in Worrisome Barne's wildest dreams will he be half the player that Matt Carroll is!

I would not go so far as to make a sure fire book it type prediction on Barnes but I will say that he is a work in progress and that I will book. I feel our Bobcats need instant impact. Not All Star impact but they do need players not far from that coming in. This team as is constructed needs an instant kick ass type talent who shows signs from the first game of being a future great. I am not big on another Alexis Ajinca and especially in the early part of the lottery. I am sure that we can get instant impact at #2 and I would rather that scenario as opposed to some projects later in the draft via trades.

[Veteran_Picksetter]

I agree about long term development but we need instant star power to get butts in the seats. Otherwise we are stuck playing the waiting game and I prefer the team go with players who can make an instant impact. We do not need another Alexis Ajinca. That is the last thing we need early in the draft.

T-Rob is the closest thing to instant impact at 2, because he is a man who will rebound and score off the pick-and-roll. And he has decent potential.

But the plan is to stock up on talent with lower-paying rookie contracts and see who emerges over the next few years.

I hate the thought of Ajinca as much as you. That's why I would say stay away from Andre Drummond.

Interesting thing about Barnes: He actually gets the free throw line and a fierce rate and doesn't shoot 3's often compared to his total attempts. That flies in the face of the conventional wisdom on him. But maybe people think he just gets it all from feeding off Marshall.

Stat source:

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/By-the-Numbers-The-2012-Wing-Crop-3990/

[Mustachio]

I agree about long term development but we need instant star power to get butts in the seats. Otherwise we are stuck playing the waiting game and I prefer the team go with players who can make an instant impact. We do not need another Alexis Ajinca. That is the last thing we need early in the draft.


You can disagree with drafting Barnes all you want, but "getting butts in the seats" is the last thing the front office should be worried about. That kind of thinking drafted Adam Morrison, and Sean May. And whether you wanna be or not, we are currently in "the waiting game" so drafting a project isn't the worst plan. We got the time to wait, we aren't going anywhere next season anyway. Barnes and Ajinca isn't even a close comparison and I'm not sure where you get the Barnes as project idea from. By all accounts he is as ready as anyone to make the transition to the NBA. MKG is the project, Drummond too, but not Barnes or TRob.

[Veteran_Picksetter]

You can disagree with drafting Barnes all you want, but "getting butts in the seats" is the last thing the front office should be worried about. That kind of thinking drafted Adam Morrison, and Sean May. And whether you wanna be or not, we are currently in "the waiting game" so drafting a project isn't the worst plan. We got the time to wait, we aren't going anywhere next season anyway. Barnes and Ajinca isn't even a close comparison and I'm not sure where you get the Barnes as project idea from. By all accounts he is as ready as anyone to make the transition to the NBA. MKG is the project, Drummond too, but not Barnes or TRob.

Great post. Let's get butts in the seats longterm, starting 2-4 years from now when we are hopefully winning again.

The next year or so will have to be for the diehard fans who like watching young players grow.....

(It warms my heart when we agree......)

[SWedd523]

We just came off the worst season in history, and yet BCP saw it's highest traffic ever at the end of last month.


Not that it's indicative of the entire fanbase, but just wanted to point that out