The DJ can't be traded as a Sign and Trade until July 1st thread

[Chef]

so stop suggesting it.

[spectre]

Even if we say pretty please?

[superb1]

so stop suggesting it.

thanks, we needed this thread. I think everyone should sign this thread that they understand.

[raleigh]

He isn't likely to be S&T'd at all, unless he wants to go to a team above the cap...

[Plowright]

A lot of RFA have organised to wait until July 10 as that would facilitate a S&T so just keep an eye out for that. But from what Dunlap said, he sounds like he is planning to keep both of them

[spectre]

Other facts:

By DJ being an RFA we hold some leverage, but only with a submitted QO (which I assume we'll make). If no QO DJ is a UFA and we have nothing other than the ability to S&T him to a team without the space to sign him outright.

Unlike under the old CBA we can't offer him more raises than another team...so if a team has the space he has no incentive whatsoever to agree to it...and he has to agree.

With the QO we have 3 days to match (can't do more) or let him go if he signs another offer sheet, and at that point a S&T is out the window.

Assuming we aren't going to match all offers it's in our interest to push him towards a team like the Lakers who have no space and need a PG.

I see no scenario where we get anything good back in a S&T unless a team like the Lakers are desperate. With the PGs available I don't see anyone being like that.

[ohara831]

Other facts:

By DJ being an RFA we hold some leverage, but only with a submitted QO (which I assume we'll make). If no QO DJ is a UFA and we have nothing other than the ability to S&T him to a team without the space to sign him outright.

Unlike under the old CBA we can't offer him more raises than another team...so if a team has the space he has no incentive whatsoever to agree to it...and he has to agree.

With the QO we have 3 days to match (can't do more) or let him go if he signs another offer sheet, and at that point a S&T is out the window.

Assuming we aren't going to match all offers it's in our interest to push him towards a team like the Lakers who have no space and need a PG.

I see no scenario where we get anything good back in a S&T unless a team like the Lakers are desperate. With the PGs available I don't see anyone being like that.

OK. What's the bad news? lol!!! OK, how about some good news? Anything?

[spectre]

The market is probably weak for DJ because of the competition and lack of teams needing a PG in the midlevel range so we have good odds of keeping him on the QO and then doing a S&T?

About all I got right now.

The offers at the last trade deadline must have been pitiful for Cho not to have done something...which might say something about the market for him this summer.

[Mustachio]

The market is probably weak for DJ because of the competition and lack of teams needing a PG in the midlevel range so we have good odds of keeping him on the QO and then doing a S&T?

About all I got right now.

The offers at the last trade deadline must have been pitiful for Cho not to have done something...which might say something about the market for him this summer.

the market is weak for DJ, because DJ isn't that good.

Just tossing this out there, would it be possible for a team to make a draft day trade with the Bobcats and have kind of like a handshake agreement to sign and trade DJ once free agency starts? I know there are many things that go into that like the QO being signed and DJ not being a coveted free agent in the first place, but I'm just wondering if that would be a possibility with any RFA.

[Plowright]

well at least if the market is weak we wont have to pay as much as we might have done for the QO

[spectre]

well at least if the market is weak we wont have to pay as much as we might have done for the QO

Nah that number is set already based on last year's salary...4,385,415 if Hoopshype is right.

[spectre]

the market is weak for DJ, because DJ isn't that good.

Just tossing this out there, would it be possible for a team to make a draft day trade with the Bobcats and have kind of like a handshake agreement to sign and trade DJ once free agency starts? I know there are many things that go into that like the QO being signed and DJ not being a coveted free agent in the first place, but I'm just wondering if that would be a possibility with any RFA.

It'd be really risky as we're not supposed to discuss it with DJ til July 1st. So we'd be doing it without him which would be really stupid or we'd be circumventing the rules...which would also be really stupid. His value as an asset just isn't worth it.

Hate to say it but I'd really rather just have Kemba starting this year and see what Dunlap can do with him. IMO they were too close last year (with Kemba getting no help from the coaching staff) for us to go thru yet another PG battle.

Maybe DJ gets no offers so accepts the QO and an agreement with the FO to move him to a team like the Lakers before the season started? Probably my best case scenario.

[Plowright]

I am saying from offers from other teams. Like if he was the only pg available and everyone wanted him he might get offers of 9 million a year for 3 years. If there is not a great market for him it may be more lik 6 or 7 million a year which is acceptable to some extent and would put us in a better financial setting

[spectre]

I am saying from offers from other teams. Like if he was the only pg available and everyone wanted him he might get offers of 9 million a year for 3 years. If there is not a great market for him it may be more lik 6 or 7 million a year which is acceptable to some extent and would put us in a better financial setting

According to Bonnell we offered him what the FO felt was "slightly more" than his worth last offseason (rumored to be 6 per). I can't imagine they think he's worth = to that point in time and esp. with the new CBA.

I'd be hesitant to go over the QO but the FO might by just a little.

[Mustachio]

It'd be really risky as we're not supposed to discuss it with DJ til July 1st. So we'd be doing it without him which would be really stupid or we'd be circumventing the rules...which would also be really stupid. His value as an asset just isn't worth it.
Hate to say it but I'd really rather just have Kemba starting this year and see what Dunlap can do with him. IMO they were too close last year (with Kemba getting no help from the coaching staff) for us to go thru yet another PG battle.
Maybe DJ gets no offers so accepts the QO and an agreement with the FO to move him to a team like the Lakers before the season started? Probably my best case scenario.

Thats what I was thinking, that we would have to do it without DJ's approval and would therefore be a risk he didn't go along with it. I just didn't know if that was even legal or if it was something akin to talking to a free agent before July 1st. And I am 100% with you on just letting Kemba take over. We need to find out about him as soon as possible, with a decent free agent PG pool next year. I honestly don't think there's anything we can do about losing DJ for nothing, but I'm not sure its that big of a deal either.

[Plowright]

According to Bonnell we offered him what the FO felt was "slightly more" than his worth last offseason (rumored to be 6 per). I can't imagine they think he's worth = to that point in time and esp. with the new CBA.

I'd be hesitant to go over the QO but the FO might by just a little.

I just dont want to lose him for nothing, and then having to over spend on some Free agent PG or trade for one. I think either way it sint great for us, but as long as the QO is not outrageous i would match it, we can always trade him in the future

[spectre]

I still think we can get Farmar for just capspace and he's right near DJ's QO.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&p1=augusdj01&y1=2012&p2=farmajo01&y2=2012

One could easily argue Farmar had the better season last year (going off advanced stats) and he did it coming off the bench.

[Plowright]

yeah... i would fly with that, i would still prefer DJ but if it was anything over 7 mill a year I would wave bi bi and find someone else

[JGib23]

The only 2 teams that I think would overspend for DJ is Brooklyn & Phoenix if DWill & Nash leave.

If a team is looking for a young PG to develop I would think that Dragic & Lin (assuming the Knicks/ NBAPA lose arbitration-)
Edit - Knicks/ Lin won arbitration- Knicks have advantage to sign him now.

DWIll & Nash go first
Then Dragic & Lin
DJ is in the 3rd tier with Ramon Sessions, George Hill, etc. 5/ per would be he max I would want to give him

[adam187]

uh well what the fuck am i supposed to do with all these fake draft day trades now?

[Twan's Kin]

It'd be interesting to know if DJ still wants to be here, or if he'd prefer to go elsewhere for a little less money.

[dnbman]

It'd be interesting to know if DJ still wants to be here, or if he'd prefer to go elsewhere for a little less money.

My guess is that he just wants to get paid. Granted, if one of the top teams offered him a mediocre contract, he may agree. However, we'd able to match the lower rate as long as we offered the QO for him. My guess is that he doesn't go for a discount unless it was still a large amount of money.

[westbrook08]

Fuck dj.He made it pretty clear he didn't wanna be here towards the end of last year.And i'd rather have the cap room than try to sign and trade him just for the hell of it.I say we let him walk and buy another pick somewhere in the middle of round 2 this week for a million or so and draft scott machado.I think he can be a legit back up from day 1.Then we'd have more cap room and a competent back up.Problem solved!