If we trade with Cleveland...

[dnbman]

In all likelihood, we'd draft their player first (likely Beal if there's a trade at all) and then trade the pick to them once Washington picks. That way we at least know that Cleveland doesn't take our targeted player.

However, let's say we're really high on Robinson and Washington takes him. Are we happy to keep Beal at 3 or do we still make the trade, presumably to draft either Barnes or MKG?

I know Washington has some bigs and need a wing scorer to pair with Wall, but Robinson's also a hometown guy and seemed to do well at their workout.

I'm just wondering what we're prepared to live with if we trade.

[Black]

Great points. I've thought about this a lot, and there was one Tweet that said Washington would likely take Robinson Beal is indeed off the board.

If the situation does in fact come up, and we take Beal with uncertainty about who Washington will take:

I would definitely be disappointed if we didn't end up with Robinson, but like you said, if we pick Beal, and Washington takes Robinson, I think the best option would be to keep Beal unless we're totally blown away by a trade. If Beal turns out to be the best option at shooting guard from the get go, then so be it. We aren't financially committed to Henderson, and I think he is humble enough to accept being the sixth man, and when he eventually tests free agency, he will find out if he is more valuable to another team than he is to us. The gap in talent between Beal and either MKG or Barnes is pretty significant, so I don't think it's worth acquiring the 24th pick if it means we end up with one of those two.

Edit to add: I'm sure this goes without saying, but that's only if we have the offer on the table from Cleveland. If they are non-committal, then take Robinson all the way.

In my opinion, you stay at two and take Robinson unless the front office sees him and Beal as identical players talent wise, but if we take the risk and take Beal, then Washington takes Robinson, we should roll with Beal.

[Black]

I proposed the question to Bonnell as well I could in 140 characters.

[SWedd523]

This is exactly why I don't like the potential trade down with Cleveland. If they REALLY want Robinson and do this just to swindle them out of a low value pick, then it's stupid.

If they're going from 2 to 4, just pick the one player you like and don't leave it to chance. You can always buy a pick in the late first.

But in your specific scenario, if we pick Beal and miss Robinson, just keep Beal. He's a better prospect than Barnes

[Kemba2Hendo]

But in your specific scenario, if we pick Beal and miss Robinson, just keep Beal. He's a better prospect than Barnes

Exactly, in that scenario you take BPA.

[Keetch]

I am getting a nervous feeling that they want Barnes above everyone else.

[superb1]

I am getting a nervous feeling that they want Barnes above everyone else.

They think they want Barnes too but not #2. So FO may see it as
if we end up with #2. draft Robinson
if we end up with #4. draft Barnes

jmho

[Chef]

remember, there is always the possibility of drafting beal at #2, having washington or cleveland call us and say what is he worth to you and swapping draft choices plus goodies for us after the fact.

[dnbman]

remember, there is always the possibility of drafting beal at #2, having washington or cleveland call us and say what is he worth to you and swapping draft choices plus goodies for us after the fact.

Yeah, I'm wondering if the Cavs talk is to get a more conservative deal with Washington, say their second and something else minor, to swap picks and still get Robinson. While more conservative, at least you get the guy you want and a little bit more. Of course, this is assuming that the FO wants Robinson.

[dnbman]

I am getting a nervous feeling that they want Barnes above everyone else.

Keetch, I've been desperately waiting for your assessment of the top few picks, especially Robinson. You should know him better than anyone.

[ohara831]

If we traded with the Cavs, I would push hard for a totally swap of picks. #2 and #31 for #4, #24, #33 and #34. I think Cho would be able to use the Portland 2013 1st and the #33 and #34 and get back to at least around the #15 pick. I think in a Draft that is pretty deep, we can land 3 very talented players at #4, #15 and #24.

[westbrook08]

I would have a hard time if we got stuck with beal.I don't like the idea of drafting a 2 guard when henderson already has the potential to get better.Plus, i think beal is vastly overrated.There were plenty of games where he flat out disappeared last year.His shooting percentage was inflated by some big games here and there,plus he's undersized and does not possess elite athleticism.I would just stay @ 2 and take robinson.And also,.i don't think 33,34 and the potland pick would get us anywhere close to 15.Next years draft is going to be horribly bad outside the top 2 or 3.I think those picks maybe get us as high as 24 or 25.That's just my opinion though.

[Keetch]

Ha DNB don't be desperate. As you know I love MKG most but see I'll have to follow his career elsewhere. Kind of like the Anthony Davis thing; if you're a Bobcats fan you learn to accept that you're favorite players are likely going to be playing somewhere else than Charlotte.

I think Henson and Rivers will be stars; but not Year 1.

I love TRob too and hope we take him at #2 (I'm holding no hope for MKG); but as I mentioned, this is the Bobcats. I fear that Cho or no Cho; they may screw it up.

When we drafted Felton and May years ago; I remember thinking "boy I hope they know what they're doing.". I hope to not end up that way this year as well.

[dnbman]

Ha DNB don't be desperate.
I can't help it. I need a regular dose of Keetch on this board!


As you know I love MKG most but see I'll have to follow his career elsewhere. Kind of like the Anthony Davis thing; if you're a Bobcats fan you learn to accept that you're favorite players are likely going to be playing somewhere else than Charlotte.

I think Henson and Rivers will be stars; but not Year 1.

I love TRob too and hope we take him at #2 (I'm holding no hope for MKG); but as I mentioned, this is the Bobcats. I fear that Cho or no Cho; they may screw it up.

Would Barnes being screwing it up if we still pick top 4? Drummond?

[Keetch]

Yes and oh my yes.

But hey a lot of folks think Barnes will break out as an NBA star. For our sakes and theirs; I hope they know what they're saying and I'm wrong. But my gut tells me he wont work hard enough and end up moving around and playing for many teams; giving great intro interviews everywhere he goes.

[Scrapper1]

Beal is the least appealing of the big 4, imo.. i like Robinson, he plays with a chip on his shoulder.I Like MKG too. I think they can get T-Rob at 4. Cavs and Wizards have solid players at the 4, they want MKG & Beal. You know, if MKG was a better shooter.. he would probably threaten Davis being selected at #1. T-Rob or MKG if we stay at #2.

[Nata Fresh]

If the Cats get 4 and T-Rob is gone....draft Drummond.....24 will net you either a good guard...or possibly Sullinger at 24 and grab Wroten with 31.

[WAM9]

If the Cats get 4 and T-Rob is gone....draft Drummond.....24 will net you either a good guard...or possibly Sullinger at 24 and grab Wroten with 31.

I am scared to death that we are going to trade down to the 4 and gamble that Robinson will be there and him not be. MJ is a gambler for sure so it gives me a lot more peace that Cho is primarily running this pick. If he trades down, I would assume it means he can absolutely get his guy there (maybe Robinson isn't his guy). Either way, I am scared to death of trading down to the 4 and having to settle.

[kitch0202]

I am scared to death that we are going to trade down to the 4 and gamble that Robinson will be there and him not be. MJ is a gambler for sure so it gives me a lot more peace that Cho is primarily running this pick. If he trades down, I would assume it means he can absolutely get his guy there (maybe Robinson isn't his guy). Either way, I am scared to death of trading down to the 4 and having to settle.

That, in a nutshell, is the key to the feasibility of this trade. If Cho et al. have one player rated higher than the others then you don't do the trade, you pick him at 2. If however there are two or more players (outside of the player Cleveland wants) that you rate evenly you don't even think twice about it ... you pull the trigger!

For me, it's as simple as that.

Cheers,

Kitch.

PS: This is my first post on here, but I've been reading the boards for quite a while. Looking forward to having my opinions corrected ;-)

[ziggy]

Here is a look at the potential trade from the perspective of the Cavs Fans

Linkage (http://realcavsfans.com/showthread.php?t=39963)

[dnbman]

That, in a nutshell, is the key to this feasibility of this trade. If Cho et al. have one player rated higher than the others then you don't do the trade, you pick him at 2. If however there are two or more players (outside of the player Cleveland wants) that you rate evenly you don't even think twice about it ... you pull the trigger!

For me, it's as simple as that.

Cheers,

Kitch.

PS: This is my first post on here, but I've been reading the boards for quite a while. Looking forward to having my opinions corrected ;-)

BULLOCKS!

I agree, actually. Welcome to the boards! Glad you joined the dancefloor.

[dnbman]

Here is a look at the potential trade from the perspective of the Cavs Fans

Linkage (http://realcavsfans.com/showthread.php?t=39963)

Maybe we should trade the #2 as a salary dump?
[snickers]

[NiceKrispy]

I think the player we will end up with will be Barnes. Comparing him to Felton and May just seems silly to me. The same with Marvin Williams. Barnes is an excellent shooter who creates his own shots, which will allow Kemba and DJ to be more aggressive on offense as well. MKG needs to work on his shooting ability and so does Robinson. Beal is a terrific shooter but I don't see the Bobcats settling with him as we already have Henderson.

I've been hearing a lot of different things about which teams like certain players. At this point everything is still in the speculation stage. Ideally I would want to add that #24 pick from Cleveland and still get Barnes at #4.

[Black]

I think the player we will end up with will be Barnes. Comparing him to Felton and May just seems silly to me. The same with Marvin Williams. Barnes is an excellent shooter who creates his own shots, which will allow Kemba and DJ to be more aggressive on offense as well. MKG needs to work on his shooting ability and so does Robinson. Beal is a terrific shooter but I don't see the Bobcats settling with him as we already have Henderson.

I've been hearing a lot of different things about which teams like certain players. At this point everything is still in the speculation stage. Ideally I would want to add that #24 pick from Cleveland and still get Barnes at #4.

DJ is as good as gone.

[spectre]

...and I think we'll make this trade or something even better. Maybe Cho can dump Tyrus in there too; he's got to do something extra to top trading down from 19th to 7th last year.

[westbrook08]

I disagree with a couple of things.I don't wouldn't have a problem drafting barnes in a normal draft.But i think robinson is a potential franchise cornerstone.But as of of now barnes does not create his own shot.I still like him better than MKG because wing players in the nba today have to be able to score the basketball.Say what you want about barnes but every interview with a teammate or coach that he's played with,they all say the same thing.That he is one of the hardest workers they have ever seen,that he's dedicated,and that he has a high basketball IQ.Whether or not he develops into an all-nba type player or not,i think he's still gonna be one of the best shooters in the game.I'll take that over a "hustle guy" any old day of the week.I also think people are underestimating cho.If we trade,i don't think it's just for 4 and 24.I bet he makes them give up one or both of their 2nd rounders as well.If they really want beal that badly, i think cho is gonna have them bending over and grabbing their ankles! lol. As far as dj goes, i could actually see him signing the qualifying offer and us moving him @ the deadline.I'm not so sure the market for him is as big as he and his agent's ego's think it is.And welcome to the party krispy!

[Scottley Crue]

I also think people are underestimating cho.If we trade,i don't think it's just for 4 and 24.I bet he makes them give up one or both of their 2nd rounders as well.If they really want beal that badly, i think cho is gonna have them bending over and grabbing their ankles! lol.

I agree...Cho's in a good spot. He can stay put and get an impact player. If the Cavs really want us to move so they can get Beal, they'll have to be the ones to give, not us. I also wonder what these rumors do for the Wizards. How bad do they want Beal? Bad enough to part with young talent (possibly Crawford and/or Seraphin)? Take on Tyrus' contract? I think the market for this pick is being cultivated and the 'Cats are good with any of Robinson, Beal or Barnes. So moving back within the top 4 to get extra picks or young talent is a wise move. Wouldn't be surprised at all to see us move back 1 or 2 spots.

[Black]

I agree...Cho's in a good spot. He can stay put and get an impact player. If the Cavs really want us to move so they can get Beal, they'll have to be the ones to give, not us. I also wonder what these rumors do for the Wizards. How bad do they want Beal? Bad enough to part with young talent (possibly Crawford and/or Seraphin)? Take on Tyrus' contract? I think the market for this pick is being cultivated and the 'Cats are good with any of Robinson, Beal or Barnes. So moving back within the top 4 to get extra picks or young talent is a wise move. Wouldn't be surprised at all to see us move back 1 or 2 spots.

The only problem with Washington is their lack of assets this year. They don't have another pick until 32, and they don't really have any players I would want. If they would give us an unprotected first next year, I'd definitely hope we would entertain the offer.

[westbrook08]

I just don't wanna risk losing robinson.If washington wants to give us chris singleton and the 32 pick to guarantee that they get beal, i would be happy with that.Singleton is a good defensive player and is still young enough for dunlap to coach up.And there will still be good players @ 32.I don't wanna get too cute and have us lose our guy!

[ALong13]

If we trade with Cleveland then hopefully we'd go Robinson at #4, Royce White at #24 and John Jenkins at #31. Instant scoring and depth at SG/SF/PF. Now that Washington has Okafor's big contract at PF, I'm really thinking they go SG with Barnes if Beal is off the board.

[Black]

If we trade with Cleveland then hopefully we'd go Robinson at #4, Royce White at #24 and John Jenkins at #31. Instant scoring and depth at SG/SF/PF. Now that Washington has Okafor's big contract at PF, I'm really thinking they go SG with Barnes if Beal is off the board.

That would be a great draft. Bonnell Tweeted that Kim English is working out tomorrow. He would be a nice option at 31 if Jenkins is gone.

[cltblkhscoach]

Royce White has a promise from the Celtics so he isn't getting past 22 unfortunately. Jenkins has worked out twice for Denver, so we might have to take him at 24 if we really want him, and I really do. At 31, I'd just go BPA to give us some much needed quality depth.

I have to look up this Kim English dude....

[Black]

Royce White has a promise from the Celtics so he isn't getting past 22 unfortunately. Jenkins has worked out twice for Denver, so we might have to take him at 24 if we really want him, and I really do. At 31, I'd just go BPA to give us some much needed quality depth.

I have to look up this Kim English dude....

6'6'' guard from Mizzou. Shot 52% from the field, and 46% from three last year. Tenacious defender. I think he could be a solid role player.

[rsxnova]

The only problem with Washington is their lack of assets this year. They don't have another pick until 32, and they don't really have any players I would want. If they would give us an unprotected first next year, I'd definitely hope we would entertain the offer.

Washington could easily have the pick for Vesley and 3.

[ohara831]

http://www.hoopsworld.com/nba-am-do-the-bobcats-have-a-deal-for-the-2

Kyler is saying we have a standing offer of #4 and #24 for #2. So it this is the worse deal out there, then I am OK with pulling the trigger on it. But I have to think Cho is working his butt off right now trying to get the bidding war up to make the offers even better.

[Twan's Kin]

Washington has more players on their roster that we would want compared to Cleveland.

[spectre]

http://www.hoopsworld.com/nba-am-do-the-bobcats-have-a-deal-for-the-2

Kyler is saying we have a standing offer of #4 and #24 for #2. So it this is the worse deal out there, then I am OK with pulling the trigger on it. But I have to think Cho is working his butt off right now trying to get the bidding war up to make the offers even better.

That article is exactly how I see it. IMO unless we're really wanting Beal or MKG then this is the baseline trade that we'll most likely make. The question is if Cho can find something even better.

[Black]

I posted this in the #2 pick thread, but I think it's more fitting here.


I'm starting to think that Washington won't take Robinson if he's available at three. They already have a ton of money tied up in Nene, two years of Okafor's monster deal, and still have to address Blatche one way or another. Not to mention they also used a high lottery pick on Vesely, and another first round pick on Seraphin.

Do they really add another big man to that mess? They desperately need wings, and Barnes seems like he would be a great fit for them at this point in time. Even if you amnesty Blatche, you still have to find minutes for all of those bigs you either drafted high, or committed to financially. If this is the case, you definitely trade with Cleveland.

Can Washington really afford to just stockpile big men, and not surround Wall with capable scorers?

[cltblkhscoach]

Yeah I think with all those big guys there's no way Robinson makes any sense for them at all. Only way they take him would be to swing a trade with someone else, and of course to spite us for keeping them from Beal, lol.

But still we win either way because like someone said earlier, the worst we're going to do is MKG, Barnes, or T-Rob. And Washington would probably go MKG or Barnes - I'm thinking more Barnes because they already have a defensive minded 3 in Chris Singleton.

[SCBobcat]

If we assume Washington and Cleveland both want Beal, then the question becomes "how much do they like Beal over the next wing?". If we have the trade agreed upon with Cleveland, Cleveland would insist on doing the trade prior to the draft. If they didn't and instead allowed us to draft Beal and then complete the trade after, then Washington could pick ThoR and ruin Cleveland's trade by almost forcing us to trade with them instead. Thus, there should be a hefty premium for completing a trade before the draft. In reality, Washington has the power if Cleveland doesn't pay that premium. In that scenario Washington could choose between (1)ThoR at 3, (2) Thor and 32 traded to us for Beal, or (3) keeping their picks: MKG/Barnes and 32 and letting the CLT-Cleveland trade go through.

[Black]

If we assume Washington and Cleveland both want Beal, then the question becomes "how much do they like Beal over the next wing?". If we have the trade agreed upon with Cleveland, Cleveland would insist on doing the trade prior to the draft. If they didn't and instead allowed us to draft Beal and then complete the trade after, then Washington could pick ThoR and ruin Cleveland's trade by almost forcing us to trade with them instead. Thus, there should be a hefty premium for completing a trade before the draft. In reality, Washington has the power if Cleveland doesn't pay that premium. In that scenario Washington could choose between (1)ThoR at 3, (2) Thor and 32 traded to us for Beal, or (3) keeping their picks: MKG/Barnes and 32 and letting the CLT-Cleveland trade go through.

Fair point, but in order for Washington to take that risk, they would have to be comfortable with the idea that they might end up having to keep Robinson if we either trade Beal to Cleveland anyway, or keep Beal for ourselves. We need help at every position, so keeping Beal wouldn't be the worst thing that could happen. However, like I said, Washington desperately needs wings, and adding Robinson would only add to the existing logjam they have in their front court. Would they pass on a chance for Barnes of MKG in the hopes that they will be able to force us to trade Beal for Robinson?

[westbrook08]

2 problems with that.Okafor is a center and barnes is a small forward.Also royce white supposedly has a promise from boston @ 22.

[SCBobcat]

I agree. It totally depends on how much difference they see between Beal and MKG/Barnes. My preferred method is to convince Cleveland to pay the premium for trading before the draft starts. That is, if our intel is confident Washington would not pick Robinson.

[ohara831]

Chad Ford's mock today has us taking T-Rob. Says the Cavs are trying to trade with us, but want to give #4 and #33 and #34, rather than #4 and #24. Kinda clashes with what Kyler reported earlier that we have a standing offer of #4 and #24. Would NOT take the #4 and #33 and #34 deal. I want #4, #24 and #33 or #34. I'm greedy.

[cltblkhscoach]

Could be an either/or trade proposal. I could see Cleveland doing that - take 4 and 24 OR 4, 33, and 34. But they refuse to offer 4, 24, AND 33 or 34. Now it comes down to a game of who has the stronger will. The good thing is we're playing from the position of strength here - the worst we come out is just taking the guy we want at 2, or listening to offers from Washington who could throw in a young vet to encourage us to swap positions so they KNOW they can get Beal.

[ohara831]

ESPN Insider now saying the Bobcats are considering the #4 and #24 for #2 deal, and that they are eyeing Barnes at #4. If T-Rob and Barnes are both on the Board at #4, I would be so pissed with Cho for taking Barnes. No way I can see taking Barnes over T-Rob. Just not smart.

[cltblkhscoach]

I am a T-Rob fan myself, but I can understand them taking Barnes and I'd be very happy with either one of them. This is the most excited I've been for a draft that I can remember. Usually our fate has already been determined to some point by draft week, but there's so many ways we can go with so many options. I'm off from work until Draft Day and I've been glued to the damn computer lol.

[WAM9]

If Cho is as smart as I think he is, then the whole #4 and #24 thing is a smokescreen to make Washington deal up or lose Beal. If Washington thinks we are keeping the pick and taking Robinson, then we lose all power with them. If they think we are going to trade it, then our position at the bargaining table just improved considerably.

Not sure of what the deal would be with Washington but that would be the best for us IMO where we add an asset and still draft our guy.

*Unless our guy isn't Robinson. All this Barnes talk has me slightly concerned.

[walkerisai]

Here's what I just read.

"League sources say there is a standing offer of the #4 and #24 to Charlotte for the rights to the #2 pick and it seems if something better does not surface they may trigger a deal.
The Bobcats are being incredibly thorough in their process, giving each draft prospect real and serious consideration, but cashing in the #2 pick for multiple picks seems to be real. The question is, will Cleveland toss in one of their second round picks to seal the deal? That might be what it takes to make it happen."

http://www.hoopsworld.com/nba-am-do-the-bobcats-have-a-deal-for-the-2

This would be great!!

[ZackTB23]

If we take T-Rob and Barnes lights it up somewhere else, I swear I have no clue what I will do.

[Chef]

If we take T-Rob and Barnes lights it up somewhere else, I swear I have no clue what I will do.

what if we take barnes and t-rob turns into blake griffin 2.0?

[SWedd523]

what if we take barnes and t-rob turns into blake griffin 2.0?

Wish we had an ”owned” button


Edit: a ”Chowned” Burton would be so awesome

[WAM9]

what if we take barnes and t-rob turns into blake griffin 2.0?

I have no idea what I will do!

[Mustachio]

gonna get killed for saying this but.... I think Blake kinda sucks. He is fun as hell to watch, and a player I would like to have on this team. But man, you put a forearm near that guy and keep him outside the paint, he is 100% totally useless.

[Scrapper1]

You can "what if" with any player in this draft.. what if we draft T-Rob and Barnes becomes Durant 2.0? lol. Bobcats are in a great position this year..a love triangle of sorts. The two teams under them want Beal.. Cavs want him BAD. So much, that i believe the Bobcats can walk away with the #4, #24 and #33 pick if they play their cards right..and STILL get the man they wanted in the first place. T-Rob will be there. Washington wants MGK or Beal (based on trades they just made).. let the games begin.

[dnbman]

gonna get killed for saying this but.... I think Blake kinda sucks. He is fun as hell to watch, and a player I would like to have on this team. But man, you put a forearm near that guy and keep him outside the paint, he is 100% totally useless.

http://timeformorecake.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/screaming-children1.jpeg

http://www.dadsbigplan.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/cowboys-and-aliens-posse.jpg

[dnbman]

You can "what if" with any player in this draft.. what if we draft T-Rob and Barnes becomes Durant 2.0? lol. Bobcats are in a great position this year..a love triangle of sorts. The two teams under them want Beal.. Cavs want him BAD. So much, that i believe the Bobcats can walk away with the #4, #24 and #33 pick if they play their cards right..and STILL get the man they wanted in the first place. T-Rob will be there. Washington wants MGK or Beal (based on trades they just made).. let the games begin.

What if John Jenkins becomes the next Wayne Ellington??!!

[Potato]

Is there a more overrated player in the league than Blake Griffin?

[cltblkhscoach]

I'm just surprised Washington hasn't made an offer to us - or maybe they have and they're just being quiet about it. If I was Cho I'd call them and say we have an offer from Cleveland and they want Beal. What can you offer us? For me, I'd take the #3, #32, and someone like Singleton. They already have Vesley and they just got Ariza in a trade. They're overloaded at the 3, 4, and 5, and we need a 3 badly. Singleton is a poor man's MKG, and then at 3 we can go T-Rob or Barnes.

[ohara831]

If we trade with Cavs, my dream mock: #4 T-Rob #24 Royce White #31 Will Barton That would be as good as it could get for me. That stretches White and Barton out a bit further than they will likely fall. But Kim English at #31 is just fine as well.

[Potato]

If we trade with Cavs, my dream mock: #4 T-Rob #24 Royce White #31 Will Barton That would be as good as it could get for me. That stretches White and Barton out a bit further than they will likely fall. But Kim English at #31 is just fine as well.
yeah we couldn't do any better than that imo

[Chef]

gonna get killed for saying this but.... I think Blake kinda sucks. He is fun as hell to watch, and a player I would like to have on this team. But man, you put a forearm near that guy and keep him outside the paint, he is 100% totally useless.

kinda sucks is way to harsh. dude can play. anytime someone routinely puts up 30/15 you have to give him credit. with that said, he has a TON of work to do to become a complete player worth the hype he gets. not that i feel sorry for him, but because of his dunks and playing style he has been way over promoted by the media and nba.

[Black]

A Cavs fan on another board doesn't think 24 should be included in a deal to move up to 2. He thinks if the Cavs included both second round picks, we would do the deal. I hate the term "smh", but if there was ever a time I felt like using it, this would be it.

[Mustachio]

kinda sucks is way to harsh. dude can play. anytime someone routinely puts up 30/15 you have to give him credit. with that said, he has a TON of work to do to become a complete player worth the hype he gets. not that i feel sorry for him, but because of his dunks and playing style he has been way over promoted by the media and nba.

Yeah I wish I didnt say sucks. Stupid statement. As bad as he is outside the paint he is pretty beastly inside it. Just dont think he is in the 10 current "franchise" players conversation yet.

[Kemba2Hendo]

A Cavs fan on another board doesn't think 24 should be included in a deal to move up to 2. He thinks if the Cavs included both second round picks, we would do the deal. I hate the term "smh", but if there was ever a time I felt like using it, this would be it.

He must think we are stupid lol

[westbrook08]

I think our target is robinson.I just think we're letting teams believe that we want barnes @ 4 so that if washington is pissed about losing beal, that they don't let someone else swoop @ 3 and take robinson.Although i think washington could take him as well.Jordan may very well like barnes,but i think cho gets to make the call and i'm pretty sure he's smart enough to know that robinson would help us alot more right now!

[Kemba2Hendo]

I think our target is robinson.I just think we're letting teams believe that we want barnes @ 4 so that if washington is pissed about losing beal, that they don't let someone else swoop @ 3 and take robinson.Although i think washington could take him as well.Jordan may very well like barnes,but i think cho gets to make the call and i'm pretty sure he's smart enough to know that robinson would help us alot more right now!

Beal would help us the most.

[Chef]

Yeah I wish I didnt say sucks. Stupid statement. As bad as he is outside the paint he is pretty beastly inside it. Just dont think he is in the 10 current "franchise" players conversation yet.

from a $$$ standpoint he is easily a top 5 player but from a winning standpoint, without cp3, the clips were lottery bound for sure.

[westbrook08]

How would beal help us the most when our best player right now is henderson,who averaged 15.1 a game,is still getting better,and who has better length and athleticism than beal? Beal is a media hype machine! Not only do i not think he would not make us better right now, i think beal is the most over hyped player in this draft!

[walkerisai]

There is still a chance that Robinson will slip to us at #4. If the trade goes through you know beal is #2 pick. Washington has no use for Robinson. They are set at the 4 and 5 with the recent trade. So we still may get our player and add a pick.

If we take Robinson what do we do with TT? Do we keep him or cut him?

All I know is we need someone that can shot the three! We need someone to strech the defense. Every team crowds the paint on us because we have no one that has a consistant J. Other than DJ and hes streaking. Kemba needs to work all summer on his shot to stretch the D.

So my picks

#4 Robinson (if Washington doesn't land him)
or Barnes if Robinson is gone. DONT PICK NO OFFENSE MKG
#24 Royce White if we draft Barnes (which I think we will)
#31 Either Lamb or Jenkins.

That is what my draft board whould look like!

What you guys think?

[ammofan]

4- Robinson. I actually am really liking Barnes too so I have no problem with him. But I've been behind ThoR since the start of this whole process.

24- Tough call. You never know who's going to drop. I like Quincy Miller and Will Barton. I'd have to take Sullinger if he drops that far if we pick Barnes at 4 tho.

31- Best shooter available I guess. John Jenkins, Kim English, Doron Lamb.

[ohara831]

#4 T-Rob #24 Royce White #31 Will Barton I'll be very happy with this if it happened. But that is unlikely. This White and Barton do not reach us at those respective picks. But I can dream!

[adam187]

Is there a more overrated player in the league than Blake Griffin?

On this message board, Nic Batum for sure.

[SWedd523]

Not necessary to have two threads on trading for the 4 and 24

[adam187]

Not necessary to have two threads on trading for the 4 and 24

but how are we supposed to post the same exact thoughts/arguments/statements 15 times a day if all the threads are merged?

[Black]

I was thinking about making a dust chip thread, maybe I'll hold off for now.

[KembaSlice]

#4 Harrison Barnes
#24 Jared Sullinger
#31 Draymond Green

I think Barton is going higher than people think.

[SJackson1]

i don't want to see us get Barnes at 4, i think Robinson and MKG are better choices

[walkerisai]

i don't want to see us get Barnes at 4, i think Robinson and MKG are better choices

Ok i can see Robinson. But MKG? Were last in scoring and we have noone that can strech the floor. So you want to draft someone that cant shoot! That makes no sense. I don't understand why we would even consider MKG. We need a scorer, a shooter... Someone who can stretch the defense.

[dnbman]

Ok i can see Robinson. But MKG? Were last in scoring and we have noone that can strech the floor. So you want to draft someone that cant shoot! That makes no sense. I don't understand why we would even consider MKG. We need a scorer, a shooter... Someone who can stretch the defense.

If we get the 24, we can take shooters with that pick and the 31st. We were bad at everything last year. We just need to get as much talent, regardless of what it is, as we can get.

[SWedd523]

Ok i can see Robinson. But MKG? Were last in scoring and we have noone that can strech the floor. So you want to draft someone that cant shoot! That makes no sense. I don't understand why we would even consider MKG. We need a scorer, a shooter... Someone who can stretch the defense.

http://www.blog-city.info/en/img3/3938_gordon6_050809.jpg

[Chef]

http://www.blog-city.info/en/img3/3938_gordon6_050809.jpg

hey there was time when i would work out with 100's on the incline press. that was before i would get injured every time i lifted for real, also pre-children.

[SWedd523]

Yeah.... 100lb on the BARbell

[ammofan]

http://www.blog-city.info/en/img3/3938_gordon6_050809.jpg

Cot damn. I once lifted a really heavy basketball. I swear it was an ounce too heavy. Hard to shoot with that.

[Chef]

Yeah.... 100lb on the BARbell

nope, dumbbells son. i was 195 lbs at 6% BF. and pr'ed in the 10k at 38 minutes. take advantage of not having kids or responsibilities. it is a glorious time for fitness.

[dnbman]

nope, dumbbells son. i was 195 lbs at 6% BF. and pr'ed in the 10k at 38 minutes. take advantage of not having kids or responsibilities. it is a glorious time for fitness.

And having kids is a Shakespearean tragedy of fitness. Gut got bigger as I typed this.

[SWedd523]

For some reason I laughed hysterically when I pictured ammofan struggling to lift a heavy basketball then Chef incline pressing 100lb dumbbells.

I was really big into weights between 17-19ish. I never was a big dude (5'8, 160) but I got up to 245 on the bench and 350 in the squat, among others............ now I just do a lot of running

[akaseinfeld]

The Bobcats are interested in moving down from the No. 2 slot and are looking to package the contract of Tyrus Thomas along with the pick.
Charlotte would trade down while still hoping to select Thomas Robinson.
Thomas has $26 million remaining on his contract, but is coming off the worst season since he was a rookie.


Read more: http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/221764/Bobcats_Attempting_To_Package_Tyrus_Thomas_With_Tr ading_Down#ixzz1yzCL4PsT

[Twan's Kin]

If we acquire the 24th pick or a pick in the range of 16 to 30, we should consider this SF out of Michigan State- Draymond Green.

[westbrook08]

I don't want draymond green anywhere near this team.I watched sean may sit on his ass and get fatter inhaling chicken wings and beer @ phil's tavern for 3 years cause he could never stay healthy.I sure as hell don't want a guy who already a fat ass coming out of college and is supposed to play power forward at 6'6.I know you would think we will slide to the 3 in the nba,but there's no way he can keep up with 3's.I will pass on that every day of the week and twice on sunday!

[Black]

I don't want draymond green anywhere near this team.I watched sean may sit on his ass and get fatter inhaling chicken wings and beer @ phil's tavern for 3 years cause he could never stay healthy.I sure as hell don't want a guy who already a fat ass coming out of college and is supposed to play power forward at 6'6.I know you would think we will slide to the 3 in the nba,but there's no way he can keep up with 3's.I will pass on that every day of the week and twice on sunday!

Yeah, I don't like him at all.