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SirBobcat
06-26-2012, 01:03 PM
Based on my evaluation of this draft: I think our best situation is to move away from the lottery, stockpile future picks, and grab solid contributors later in the draft...so here's an idea I have.

TRADE 1
Bobcats get: Picks 4 and 24
Cavaliers get: Pick 2

Why for Charlotte: Move back 2 picks and collect another 1st...no brainer.

Why for Cleveland: If you want Beal, he'll be gone in the Top 3. You get your guy...obvious.

TRADE 2
Bobcats get: Picks 14, 16, Future 1st round pick
Rockets get: Pick 4

Why for Charlotte: Besides Davis, there's a lot of uncertainty of the talent in this draft. So ask me this, why would you invest yourself on a huge contract for a guy that's risky? You basically can't if you have the option to move out. Houston wants to move up in this draft, so after Sacramento balks at trading Tyreke Evans they should take advantage and use this to move back. Gives Charlotte 3 picks in the 1st round (14, 16, and 24) to add some very underrated players that'll be there later in the draft while not committing a lot of money in case they don't turn up. Turning the 2nd pick into 4 first round picks will be a huge win.

Why for Houston: They want to move up in this draft. It's evident they want to push towards Andre Drummond since they'll lose out on securing Dwight Howard. They give up picks in a package to land a guy they want...obviously a win in their eyes.


Pick 14: Perry Jones, PF, Baylor. His versatility is a huge plus. Jones is an excellent athlete with a solid offensive skill-set. His shooting will be highly coveted by new coach Mike Dunlap who wants to acquire some shooters.

Pick 16: Moe Harkless, SF, St. Johns. Sure, his familiarity with Dunlap is a huge draw but let's not sell Harkless' ability short. The kid was clearly St. John's best player last season. Harkless is a great athlete and the fact that he'll be right with Dunlap to continue his progression is a major win for him. With time, he could be a very good NBA Player.

Pick 24: Royce White, SF, Iowa St. Royce has excellent upside, but he needs time to develop. Excellent news for new coach/teacher Mike Dunlap who will look to plug him into the Bobcats' system while exploiting parts of White's skill set that will help the Bobcats and White.

Pick 31: Jared Sullinger, PF, Ohio St. My guess is: Sullinger will fall out of the first round. Sullinger, like DeJuan Blair, has red flags by many teams because of injuries. Since 2nd round picks aren't guaranteed contracts, you'd be foolish to pass on Lottery talent like Sullinger. He's a very polished young man who can provide a similar punch like Okafor did for the Bobcats (being a 10-10 guy); for a 2nd rounder that's great production.

I feel walking away with those guys would be much better than walking away with one of the top names in this draft. The talent in this draft is later, but it's a lot of projects. That's cool because the Bobcats aren't winning anytime soon and they flat out need to draft good players over hitting a "home run"; drafting a home run in this draft is rather risky.

ND22
06-26-2012, 01:11 PM
Not a bad scenario, expect I think Houston wants Dwight Howard not Andre Drummond. But Jones, Harkless, White and Sullinger would be a ridiculous pull. Has any team ever drafted 4 players in the first round?

SWedd523
06-26-2012, 01:13 PM
No thanks for me. Only way I trade for to move down for Houston's picks is if it's 4 for Lowry and 14

SirBobcat
06-26-2012, 01:14 PM
Not a bad scenario, expect I think Houston wants Dwight Howard not Andre Drummond. But Jones, Harkless, White and Sullinger would be a ridiculous pull. Has any team ever drafted 4 players in the first round?

Well...Sullinger TECHNICALLY isn't a 1st round pick. He'd be our 2nd round pick.

I know Houston wants Howard, but that looks like it's a moot point, so i've heard that they're interested in Andre Drummond. They can't make all those moves and walk out with nothing "big"

spectre
06-26-2012, 01:21 PM
No thanks for me. Only way I trade for to move down for Houston's picks is if it's 4 for Lowry and 14

I don't know that I'd do that. I'm pretty high on Lowry but we could get a difference maker top 4-5 in this draft.

Quality so trumps quantity and esp. for us right now.

dnbman
06-26-2012, 01:23 PM
I don't know that I'd do that. I'm pretty high on Lowry but we could get a difference maker top 4-5 in this draft.

Quality so trumps quantity and esp. for us right now.

Yeah, Lowery is nice, but I'm guessing we could get a comparable point guard in the late lottery once we've improved a bit.

SWedd523
06-26-2012, 01:23 PM
Lowry is quality. Probably more so than what we'd get at 4

kitch0202
06-26-2012, 01:24 PM
Love the idea and it is vaguely feasible, but I think we need to be picking at least once inside the top 10. I completely agree that the strength of this draft is in its depth, but for me it tails of once you past the first 12 or so.

However if we could walk away with two from Jeremy Lamb (a dream @ 14), Meyers Leonard, Kendall Marshall, Moe Harkless & Terrence Ross @ 14 & 16, and then Jared Sullinger @ 24 then we have hit the jackpot!

Cheers,

Kitch.

SirBobcat
06-26-2012, 01:28 PM
I don't know that I'd do that. I'm pretty high on Lowry but we could get a difference maker top 4-5 in this draft.

Quality so trumps quantity and esp. for us right now.

Could is a dangerous word. Remember this, top 5 picks in any draft costs an astronomical amount of money. Our best bet is to get as far out of the draft while trading for future first round picks. I'm not sold that we're definitely going to find a difference maker with the guy we could pick in the top 5; which is why I felt it was in our best interest to move out of the early lottery and grab upside for a cheaper amount so if they don't work out...it won't kill us with the cap.

SirBobcat
06-26-2012, 01:34 PM
Love the idea and it is vaguely feasible, but I think we need to be picking at least once inside the top 10. I completely agree that the strength of this draft is in its depth, but for me it tails of once you past the first 12 or so.

However if we could walk away with two from Jeremy Lamb (a dream @ 14), Meyers Leonard, Kendall Marshall, Moe Harkless & Terrence Ross @ 14 & 16, and then Jared Sullinger @ 24 then we have hit the jackpot!

Cheers,

Kitch.

Man, I'm a huge Kendall Marshall fan, but that dream was gone after we picked Kemba Walker. I'd love to walk out with Marshall and Harkless at 14 and 16, but since we drafted a PG early last year...drafting size would be nice.

spectre
06-26-2012, 01:44 PM
Could is a dangerous word. Remember this, top 5 picks in any draft costs an astronomical amount of money. Our best bet is to get as far out of the draft while trading for future first round picks. I'm not sold that we're definitely going to find a difference maker with the guy we could pick in the top 5; which is why I felt it was in our best interest to move out of the early lottery and grab upside for a cheaper amount so if they don't work out...it won't kill us with the cap.

Do you mean their salary? We're talking like 7 million total over 3 years between picks 2 & 15, or just around 2.3 million per year.

Not to mention there's reasons they pay those guys more. One is their "could" is a lot more feasible than the 15th pick's "could".

SirBobcat
06-26-2012, 01:54 PM
Do you mean their salary? We're talking like 7 million total over 3 years between picks 2 & 15, or just around 2.3 million per year.

Not to mention there's reasons they pay those guys more. One is their "could" is a lot more feasible than the 15th pick's "could".

Most of the time, you're absolutely dead on. In this draft, I see no big difference between picks 2 through 5 and the 14th and 16th pick. If you believe in that thought, then you're ridiculous to draft someone in the top 5 if you have the ability to move out further in the draft. Don't sell short how much of a difference that amount of money you mentioned means to a young team like the Bobcats who with the right selections could be in position to use that money towards adding a huge difference maker.

spectre
06-26-2012, 02:53 PM
Well you do have me as I don't watch college ball so I am going off of conventional wisdom. I do know that everyone says this draft is very deep in solid players but lacking in star power. There are generally accepted tiers though, and most agree that 2 thru 5 is a step above the other guys.

I won't say you're for sure wrong, but the chance to get a guy who at very worst is super 6th man but could be a once or twice (or more) all star vs. guys who project to be a 6th man and might become a good starter with a slightly better snowball's chance in hell of being an all star I'll take the higher pick. You can always trade for solid...not so much for the all star, and esp. not without paying a premium.

SirBobcat
06-26-2012, 05:10 PM
Well you do have me as I don't watch college ball so I am going off of conventional wisdom. I do know that everyone says this draft is very deep in solid players but lacking in star power. There are generally accepted tiers though, and most agree that 2 thru 5 is a step above the other guys.

I won't say you're for sure wrong, but the chance to get a guy who at very worst is super 6th man but could be a once or twice (or more) all star vs. guys who project to be a 6th man and might become a good starter with a slightly better snowball's chance in hell of being an all star I'll take the higher pick. You can always trade for solid...not so much for the all star, and esp. not without paying a premium.

And you know what man, no one is wrong here. It's just my opinion that there will be super 6th men in the mid first round, but everyone has just as viable of an idea as I do.

westbrook08
06-28-2012, 05:35 PM
This would be a big if.But if we did trade with cleveland for 4 and 24 and houston traded us 12,16,and 18,which is the picks they have.I would probably do it.I would go with one of 3 scenarios.

A) Leonard @12
Ross @ 16
Harkless@18
Sullinger @ 24
Wroten@31

B)Leonard @ 12
Marshall@16
Harkless@ 18
Sullinger @24
Jenkins@31

C)PJ3 @ 12
Marsahll@14
Ross@ 18
Miller or white@ 24
Ezeli@ 31

Having said that,i think that there is a better chance of me walking out of my house and having a meteorite hit me in the forehead than us A) making all these trades and B)having the players we want @ all these spots.

SWedd523
06-28-2012, 06:17 PM
1. No thanks. That's way too low to drop. Quality over quantity

2. Three is no way we, our any team is going to bring in 5 rookies from this class unless it's the top 5 picks