Maggette Traded for Ben Gordon and Future 1st

[Scottley Crue]

Detroit has traded Ben Gordon and a protected future first-round pick to Charlotte for Corey Maggette, league sources tell Y! Sports.

This per Wojo

[bes628]

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA
Detroit has traded Ben Gordon and a protected future first-round pick to Charlotte for Corey Maggette, league sources tell Y! Sports.

[KembaSlice]

ehhh ok i guess

[dnbman]

Detroit has traded Ben Gordon and a protected future first-round pick to Charlotte for Corey Maggette, league sources tell Y! Sports.

This per Wojo

Not sure how I feel about this. Obviously, it gives us an outside threat and something more valuable than Maggette.

Also, Gordon's got another year on his contract and costs more. Really not sure I'm liking this.

[murphman]

I like it. A deep threat was a huge need. A future 1st is nice too. Cho loves to accumulate 1st round picks.

[Plowright]

Ben Gordon ahs one of the worst contracts in the NBA.... fuck sake.

It depends what protection is on the 2013 pick. If it is only top 4 thats okay but it is top 8 we wont get it next year

[murphman]

Not sure how I feel about this. Obviously, it gives us an outside threat and something more valuable than Maggette. But a future 1st? Not sure it's worth it.


WE get the future 1st from them!!!!

[dnbman]

WE get the future 1st from them!!!!

I stand corrected! Not nearly as bad. Hate taking on the extra year, but that's a lot better.

Failing miserably these last few minutes of posting.

[bes628]

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA
For Detroit, deal to ship out Gordon saves them nearly $15 million on the final two years of his contract. Maggette has an expiring deal.

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA
The deal sends Detroit's 2013 first-round pick to Charlotte with lottery protection, sources tell Y!

[murphman]

Ben Gordon ahs one of the worst contracts in the NBA.... fuck sake

He only has two years left and he can opt out of his 2nd one. If he puts up strong numbers for us, look for him to opt out and get a multi year deal. I wouldnt be surprised if this turns out being a one year contract traded for a one year contract...plus a future 1st round pick to us!

[KembaSlice]

lottery protected? are you serious?

we suck at everything. we won't get that pick.

[Plowright]

3 years, its one more year that Maggette's contract according to espn trade machine

[dnbman]

He only has two years left and he can opt out of his 2nd one. If he puts up strong numbers for us, look for him to opt out and get a multi year deal. I wouldnt be surprised if this turns out being a one year contract traded for a one year contract...plus a future 1st round pick to us!

I'd be surprised if he opts out. He'd have to put up some serious numbers to upgrade 13.2 million.

I'm wondering if this adds to the possibility of us amnestying Tyrus next summer unless we can find someone willing to gamble on him.

[Scottley Crue]

I think Cho values the pick and Gordon is the price to pay for it. Kind of like how Magette was the price to pay for Biyombo. At least Gordon is useful and can put up points. Also, who says this is his last stop? We'll see...if we keep him, I'm kinda "meh" on it. I don't love his contract, but he can put the ball in the basket which is sorely needed. I don't fully understand it but things may become clearer after Thursday.

[DY_nasty]

lottery protected? are you serious?

we suck at everything. we won't get that pick.
Its the East.

Knight, Monroe, and a healthy Charlie V is all you need to go 37-45 and get an 8 seed.

as long as we aren't getting bent over a table, its PROGRESS

[dnbman]

Need to merge. Thread already rolling.

[Chef]

lottery protected? are you serious?

we suck at everything. we won't get that pick.

yeah, i really want to know the full protections before making a rash judgement. but, i really would have liked a top 10 protection, so that we had a better shot to use the pick next year.

further, this just goes to show how tight lipped our FO and team are. no one saw this coming, that is one reason i think we get killed by the talking heads so much, because their "sources" are not apart of our organization, so they are always way late on our moves.

one more thing: ben gordon can ball especially on a team where there is nothing holding him back. give him the green light, pump his value up and unload him.

master plan: have gordon help tutor beal?

[KembaSlice]

http://www.hoopsworld.com/detroit-pistons-team-salary

12.4 mil this season, 13.2 mil option next year. He won't opt out, no way he gets anything close to that from anyone else. Awful trade.

[Kemba2Hendo]

We will def take a SF now.

[dnbman]

Safe to assume we're going Robinson or MKG with our pick now?


We will def take a SF now.

I'm thinking MKG or we're definitely trading with Cleveland.

[CatNation1]

Barnes maybe

[WarioVsMooChicken]

Magette and Gordan are both irrational confidence guys. The way I look at this, Cho just got us a free 1st round pick.

I'm fine with this

[KembaSlice]

I think this means Barnes.

[WarioVsMooChicken]

Not to mention, Gordan will expire the same time as Diop and Carrol (I think). So that extra year doesn't matter too much

[ammofan]

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS SSSS!

What a steal. Why would you not love this trade? We dumped Maggette who is absolutely terrible at basketball....and we picked up someone in Gordon who is better than CM and snagged a 1st round pick(protected or not) in the process. And DET could actually make the Playoffs next year...

I'm psyched.

[DY_nasty]

Magette and Gordan are both irrational confidence guys. The way I look at this, Cho just got us a free 1st round pick.

I'm fine with this
No!

We have to be upset!

Maggette meant so much for this team!

Jordan is being cheap again! Or something!

[ammofan]

Via @sam_amick

According to source, the pick is lottery protected next year, top 8 in 2014, No. 1 protected in 2015 and unprotected in 2016

[Kemba2Hendo]

If the Pisstons make the playoffs next year and Portland makes the playoffs or barely misses then we could have 3 first rounders next year.

If Portland gets Nash I could see them making it.

This would seem to single Barnes or MKG unless we plan on playing T-Rob at SF. :facepalm:

[murphman]

Via @sam_amick

According to source, the pick is lottery protected next year, top 8 in 2014, No. 1 protected in 2015 and unprotected in 2016

Sweet! I'm rooting for Detroit to suck for three straight years so we can get a good pick in 2015.

[KembaSlice]

@sam_amick
According to source, the pick is lottery protected next year, top 8 in 2014, No. 1 protected in 2015 and unprotected in 2016

Makes me feel better.

[dnbman]

Via @sam_amick

According to source, the pick is lottery protected next year, top 8 in 2014, No. 1 protected in 2015 and unprotected in 2016

Lovely. I'll be fine to wait another year for 2014.

[isguros]

I like this trade to be honest. I really think Ben Gordon could climb out of his ongoing slump while playing in Detroit.

[murphman]

If the Pisstons make the playoffs next year and Portland makes the playoffs or barely misses then we could have 3 first rounders next year.

If Portland gets Nash I could see them making it.

This would seem to single Barnes or MKG unless we plan on playing T-Rob at SF. :facepalm:

Or if Portland & Detroit miss the playoffs and our pick is 13th or higher...we get no picks in the draft.

[SirBobcat]

I like it. Collecting first round picks for the future is a huge win and all we take on is another year of similar contract to Maggette. So that makes a future first with Portland and Detroit. Nice job Cho and Company!

[dnbman]

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS SSSS!

What a steal. Why would you not love this trade? We dumped Maggette who is absolutely terrible at basketball....and we picked up someone in Gordon who is better than CM and snagged a 1st round pick(protected or not) in the process. And DET could actually make the Playoffs next year...

I'm psyched.

Mags was better last year and costs $15 m less. Hardly free, but a good trade for us.

[BIGCatBobcat]

I think Cho values the pick and Gordon is the price to pay for it. Kind of like how Magette was the price to pay for Biyombo. At least Gordon is useful and can put up points. Also, who says this is his last stop? We'll see...if we keep him, I'm kinda "meh" on it. I don't love his contract, but he can put the ball in the basket which is sorely needed. I don't fully understand it but things may become clearer after Thursday.

Scottley nailing it on this one. If you can nail something and still be meh, this is all of that.

[ohara831]

I like the deal. Like Gordon more than Mags. Love the future 1st.

But I feel T-Rob is out of the picture. Think we are looking at Barnes or MKG now. Not sure how I feel about that.

[akaseinfeld]

Chad Ford ‏@chadfordinsider (https://twitter.com/#%21/chadfordinsider) This may end talk of Beal at 2 if Cats keep their pick. Still expect Pistons to go big at pick 9. John Henson in lead there.

[SirBobcat]

Not to mention, Gordan will expire the same time as Diop and Carrol (I think). So that extra year doesn't matter too much

Nope. Diop and Carrol expires at the end of this upcoming season.

[murphman]

Something else to consider, although one could say Hendo and Williams are SG/SF combos, in reality we have four 2s on the roster. Perhaps a draft night trade to move one of them (I'm hoping its Hammer).

[LadyHornet]

I think it is a lock Bobcats pick Harrison Barnes now...

[ammofan]

BG avg. 12.5 ppg in 26.9 mpg last year. Shot 42.9% from 3 point range. He'll help alot off the bench I think.

[Scottley Crue]

Scottley nailing it on this one. If you can nail something and still be meh, this is all of that.

Thanks. Well, now that I see the protection on the pick isn't terrible, I'm much less "meh" on it now. The pick is the prize and it just so happens that Gordon is useful. Good move, Cho!

[dnbman]

BG avg. 12.5 ppg in 26.9 mpg last year. Shot 42.9% from 3 point range. He'll help alot off the bench I think.

I wouldn't be surprised if he ended up starting for us if Dunlap values three point shooting so much. This does also make the loss of DJ a lot more palatable in terms of not having many shooters.

[ammofan]

I wouldn't be surprised if he ended up starting for us if Dunlap values three point shooting so much.

IDK. I think I could see him in a key 6th man role tho. We haven't had a really solid off the bench guy in......ever.

[dnbman]

IDK. I think I could see him in a key 6th man role tho. We haven't had a really solid off the bench guy in......ever.

True. But only Hendo would be a better starter, assuming we don't draft a 2 with our pick. He could beat out Hendo for the starters job, although I do like him coming off the bench as a combo guard.

Also, looking at his game log last year, Ben could still fill it up. He was just REALLY up and down.

[SirBobcat]

I think it is a lock Bobcats pick Harrison Barnes now...

Not quite yet. Anything and everything is still an option.

[ohara831]

Dont bank on Barnes. Could be a trade and then MKG at #4.

[joerrad]

i like this trade because we get a future pick especially considering we will owe the bulls a pick down the road.

the back court should be interesting!

[Chef]

Chad Ford ‏@chadfordinsider (https://twitter.com/#%21/chadfordinsider) This may end talk of Beal at 2 if Cats keep their pick. Still expect Pistons to go big at pick 9. John Henson in lead there.

here is the thing i get tired of from the talking heads. on one hand we are terrible team for any potential star to end up on because we have no leadership or real players. on the other hand this means we won't be taking beal now. what if gordon is going to mentor beal and we trade henderson later? this doesn't mean anything about who we will or will not take on Thursday.

[isguros]

that trade option is looking really good now.

[Chef]

BG avg. 12.5 ppg in 26.9 mpg last year. Shot 42.9% from 3 point range. He'll help alot off the bench I think.

he will start over hendo all day.

[dnbman]

he will start over hendo all day.

Not based on the last three years. I really think it's going to come down to who works the hardest and shows Dunlap he can make shots.

[KembaSlice]

We won't be using the 13 mil in his option because no one will sign here; not without overpaying wildly. So we might as well upgrade a player and get a pick. It's a multi-year rebuilding process here, and this is a start. Take on bad contracts for a year or two and take in a 1st. Eventually, we end up with 3 1st's in every draft, and only need a 50% hit rate and we have a solid playoff team in 5ish years.

I've calmed down. Trade isn't bad.

[bes628]

he will start over hendo all day.

idk man..Hendo is MJ's guy.

[LadyHornet]

Now what will the Bobcats do with #31 Pick since a lot of people thought the Bobcats were going to use it on a 3-point shooting guard?

[ALong13]

I really hope Henderson moves to SF with this move, he's played it before and I think Kemba, Gordon, Henderson, Robinson, & Biyombo is a much better lineup. I think this guarantees Beal is not the guy and it is truly between Barnes, Robinson, and please Lord not MKG. I'm really hoping for Robinson, but we'll see now..

Overall I like this trade, Gordon's contract is horrible, but the man is a much better 3 point shooter, something we really need. Both guys are streaky so its a tie there, but as long as Henderson moves to SF then I think this is a good trade. Hopefully we can get rid of Carroll for a 2nd or something...Also we pick up an extra pick, I don't mind this at all. I doubt we see it in 2013, but more likely the 2014 season, if we lose our pick to Chicago that year, this will replace it. Cho is looking out for the future, this trade does so.

[GoBobs]

love the deal, future firsts are great because they don't lose any value where a player can turn out to be a bust.

[Kemba2Hendo]

Or if Portland & Detroit miss the playoffs and our pick is 13th or higher...we get no picks in the draft.

http://www.midwestsportsfans.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/mj-laughing.gif

Sorry, I had too because there is still no way we make the playoffs this year.

[SirBobcat]

Now what will the Bobcats do with #31 Pick since a lot of people thought the Bobcats were going to use it on a 3-point shooting guard?

BPA as it always should be. Professional sports is a constant changing game and collecting good players are so important in developing a good team.

[Kemba2Hendo]

I really hope Henderson moves to SF with this move, he's played it before and I think Kemba, Gordon, Henderson, Robinson, & Biyombo is a much better lineup. I think this guarantees Beal is not the guy and it is truly between Barnes, Robinson, and please Lord not MKG. I'm really hoping for Robinson, but we'll see now..

Overall I like this trade, Gordon's contract is horrible, but the man is a much better 3 point shooter, something we really need. Both guys are streaky so its a tie there, but as long as Henderson moves to SF then I think this is a good trade. Hopefully we can get rid of Carroll for a 2nd or something...Also we pick up an extra pick, I don't mind this at all. I doubt we see it in 2013, but more likely the 2014 season, if we lose our pick to Chicago that year, this will replace it. Cho is looking out for the future, this trade does so.

Here is the thing we had the cap to use and had to use it on something. So BG's contract is not a big deal at all.

[cltblkhscoach]

Great trade, honestly I think Cho is looking at using the pick in 2014, but maybe the Pistons do have enough for the 8th seed - they did improve a lot towards the end of the season under Frank. With Carroll and Diop coming off the books at the end of the year, Gordon then becomes an expiring at the end of next year and we could trade him next offseason just as we traded Maggette in the same way we just did.

So we possibly could have 3 picks in the 1st round next year, but most likely we'll have 1 next year, at least 2 and maybe 3 in 2014. Now we have to become Portland and Detroit fans to barely sneak in the playoffs next year. Not to mention Gordon gives us something we desperately need, and I definitely see him coming off the bench. Can he play the point at all?

[Jerp]

I really hope Henderson moves to SF with this move, he's played it before and I think Kemba, Gordon, Henderson, Robinson, & Biyombo is a much better lineup. I think this guarantees Beal is not the guy and it is truly between Barnes, Robinson, and please Lord not MKG. I'm really hoping for Robinson, but we'll see now..

Overall I like this trade, Gordon's contract is horrible, but the man is a much better 3 point shooter, something we really need. Both guys are streaky so its a tie there, but as long as Henderson moves to SF then I think this is a good trade. Hopefully we can get rid of Carroll for a 2nd or something...Also we pick up an extra pick, I don't mind this at all. I doubt we see it in 2013, but more likely the 2014 season, if we lose our pick to Chicago that year, this will replace it. Cho is looking out for the future, this trade does so.

That lineup is pretty freakin small

[Kemba2Hendo]

BPA as it always should be. Professional sports is a constant changing game and collecting good players are so important in developing a good team.

But Beal is the BPA and we all of a sudden have all of these SG's.

[RedSox3g2]

I love the trade. I wouldn't read anything into it though as far as this draft goes. This was about taking a first rounder and an extra year of crap contract. Don't forget we still suck and will want to take BP regardless of roster implications.

[bes628]

I really hope Henderson moves to SF with this move, he's played it before and I think Kemba, Gordon, Henderson, Robinson, & Biyombo is a much better lineup.

Lineup is too small.

[DY_nasty]

here is the thing i get tired of from the talking heads. on one hand we are terrible team for any potential star to end up on because we have no leadership or real players. on the other hand this means we won't be taking beal now. what if gordon is going to mentor beal and we trade henderson later? this doesn't mean anything about who we will or will not take on Thursday.
What could Gordon possible teach Beal other than shooting?

[DY_nasty]

But Beal is the BPA and we all of a sudden have all of these SG's.
Beal wasn't even the best player on his own team most nights. Now he's the BPA? There is almost no clear difference between MKG, Beal, Barnes, and Robinson when picking at #2.

[CatNation1]

Hendo-Gordon-Williams-Carroll-Higgins is quite the SG glut. im excited for the deals we will make in the next couple days

[dnbman]

RE: 31st
Gordon is not a long term solution. I'd still love for us to draft a great 3 point specialist with the 31st, especially a bigger one that can play some D, like a smaller Bruce Bowen. There are a couple of bigs that might be nice at that spot.

RE: Media
Yeah, not only am I tired of media, I'm getting nauseous looking at ridiculous Twitter posts too.

[dav7z]

Does any one know if this pick could be traded on draft night? Something like the 31st pick and this pick for a early pick in the draft?
By the way its a good move by CHO very good . We take on a extra year but still have tons of cap flexability with contracts coming off the next two years . In addition we gain a player who will be of some benefit to us. Maggs is no benefit at all .
I feel this is one trade we clearly won . This might be the the first ever trade the Bobcats have ever won.
DAMN it feels good to know we come out on top for once .. Thanks CHO

[dnbman]

Hendo-Gordon-Williams-Carroll-Higgins is quite the SG glut. im excited for the deals we will make in the next couple days

Higgins is a relative zero in terms of roster matters. Don't see Carroll going anywhere because of his contract, unless he plays well in the first half and we trade him half way through the season. Reggie is a wild card. I want to see more from him before I start caring if he's on the squad.

[JGib23]

My thoughts:

Great move! We add a much needed outside shooting threat and while it sucks to take on the extra year of $, it's not likely we would be in a position next offseason to sign anyone of substance with it anyway.

I think he will be the 6th man next year and could lead the team in scoring from the bench.

I don't understand people complaining about not getting the Detroit pick next year, I don't want it next year. I want it in 3 years after we have rebuilt into a formidable team and they suck and win the lottery and we get to add a top 3 pick to an already strong team ( same thing with the PDX pick)

[Chef]

idk man..Hendo is MJ's guy.

jordan doesn't have a guy, he wants to win. gordon is a better player. coming from an awful situation. he will be better than hendo and starting by the start of the season. i have said this several times, so this is the last, but i would not be surprised if hendo is on a different team by the end of the week.

[Icky Thump]

This trade doesn't bother me at this point. The future pick is nice. Cho needs to get one of the better players out of this draft regardless of our team "needs" so this shouldn't affect that.

We have no one on this team worthy of not being replaced or coming off the bench right now in my mind. Cho, make me believe dude, go get a stud in the draft!

[Chef]

What could Gordon possible teach Beal other than shooting?

how to be a pro.

[Kemba2Hendo]

Beal wasn't even the best player on his own team most nights. Now he's the BPA? There is almost no clear difference between MKG, Beal, Barnes, and Robinson when picking at #2.

He has D Wade potential and he and Davis will be the only All Stars likely from this class, there is a reason other teams want Beal bad!

[dnbman]

ALSO! I'm wondering if this pushes us a little more in the direction of building through draft picks and less on trying to sign talent next year. If that's the case, we might see a few more expirings getting moved.

[Chef]

My thoughts:

Great move! We add a much needed outside shooting threat and while it sucks to take on the extra year of $, it's not likely we would be in a position next offseason to sign anyone of substance with it anyway.

I think he will be the 6th man next year and could lead the team in scoring from the bench.

I don't understand people complaining about not getting the Detroit pick next year, I don't want it next year. I want it in 3 years after we have rebuilt into a formidable team and they suck and win the lottery and we get to add a top 3 pick to an already strong team ( same thing with the PDX pick)

portland's pick is regressive. i think it turns into a 2nd if we don't use by 2015 or 16. so we need them to miss the playoffs next year, but still be 13 or 14.

[Hormel]

Do I love this trade?

http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m05woryvER1r5hsoxo1_400.gif

[BETCATS]

I think BG's situation in Detroit was bad and he is capable of a lot more than what we've seen recently. Very solid move in my opinion, it might actually turn out to be a bargain if he produces the way I think he will.

[Black]

Love it. Cho is working hard.

[DY_nasty]

He has D Wade potential and he and Davis will be the only All Stars likely from this class, there is a reason other teams want Beal bad!
Yeah... the last time scouts compared young prospect's jumper to Ray Allen? Martell Webster. That last player to get compared to Wade? Rodney Stuckey.

Beal is an upside pick. 2-5, all relatively close in value.

But its all beside the point. Free pick. Free expiring.

[Kemba2Hendo]

portland's pick is regressive. i think it turns into a 2nd if we don't use by 2015 or 16. so we need them to miss the playoffs next year, but still be 13 or 14.


2013 first round draft pick from Portland
Portland's own 2013 1st round pick to Charlotte (top 12 protected in the 2013 draft, top 12 protected in 2014, top 12 protected in 2015, and unprotected in the 2016 Draft). [Charlotte - Portland, 2/24/2011]

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[akaseinfeld]

Chad Ford ‏@chadfordinsider (https://twitter.com/#%21/chadfordinsider) Bobcats may have smallest backcourt in NBA. Augustin 5-11, Kemba 6-1, Gordon 6-2, Henderson barely 6-5 in shoes

[Kemba2Hendo]

Yeah... the last time scouts compared young prospect's jumper to Ray Allen? Martell Webster. That last player to get compared to Wade? Rodney Stuckey.

Beal is an upside pick. 2-5, all relatively close in value.

But its all beside the point. Free pick. Free expiring.

Time will tell, you will see. He will be the 1st or 2nd best when we look back on this draft.

[Kemba2Hendo]

Chad Ford ‏@chadfordinsider (https://twitter.com/#%21/chadfordinsider) Bobcats may have smallest backcourt in NBA. Augustin 5-11, Kemba 6-1, Gordon 6-2, Henderson barely 6-5 in shoes

Yeah, except DJA won't be on the team next year, Ford is such an idiot!

[dnbman]

Chad Ford ‏@chadfordinsider (https://twitter.com/#%21/chadfordinsider) Bobcats may have smallest backcourt in NBA. Augustin 5-11, Kemba 6-1, Gordon 6-2, Henderson barely 6-5 in shoes

Not worried. DJ's gone, and I'm guessing another bigger guard is on the way.

[ohara831]

I am just saying. Coach wanted a 2 pt shooter, and got BG. No SF, and it seems to me this lends itself to MKG more than Barnes. Barnes shoots from the outside only. MKG drives, gets to the rim, slashes, does all the hustle work. Seems to me we are going to deal with the Cavs, and take MKG at #4. Then go with a PF type at #24, or perhaps use the Portland future 1st with it to move up and get a PF who is on the Board. But I think MKG fits the bill for Charlotte after this trade. Just my gut feeling.

[dnbman]

I am just saying. Coach wanted a 2 pt shooter, and got BG. No SF, and it seems to me this lends itself to MKG more than Barnes. Barnes shoots from the outside only. MKG drives, gets to the rim, slashes, does all the hustle work. Seems to me we are going to deal with the Cavs, and take MKG at #4. Then go with a PF type at #24, or perhaps use the Portland future 1st with it to move up and get a PF who is on the Board. But I think MKG fits the bill for Charlotte after this trade. Just my gut feeling.

MKG and Sullinger might be nice.

[Plowright]

Maybe fournier at 24 now? Or Quincy miller ... thats if we take T Rob at 4

[Kemba2Hendo]

Do I love this trade?

http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m05woryvER1r5hsoxo1_400.gif

Haha, nice!

[Kemba2Hendo]

Not worried. DJ's gone, and I'm guessing another bigger guard is on the way.

Hopefully Beal

[Chevalier au Lion]

MKG and Sullinger might be nice.

I prefer MKG and Festus Ezeli for example. We have a undersized team. We need height. Festus could be a beast in the paint. A very good Biyombo´s backup.

[CharlotteHornets]

I prefer MKG and Festus Ezeli for example. We have a undersized team. We need height. Festus could be a beast in the paint. A very good Biyombo´s backup.

I like MKG and Ezeli b/c I think MKG will be a beast rebounder and we REALLY need to improve our rebounding...

[SWedd523]

This is such a great move. I love the deal for 5 reasons.

1. Charlotte currently only has Gordon, Tyrus, Kemba, and Bismack on the payroll past next year... and Tyrus can be amnestied. So they're going to need to add people anyway to meet the salary minimum.

2. They only add one year of salary (2 years for Gordon vs 1 for Maggette) so it's not a huge commitment and he'll be an attractive expiring or will decline his option to go after one more big-ish deal.

3. Gordon steps in as a big minutes 6th man on a team that desperately needs shooting, scoring, and bench production. and he's not good enough to take the team out of the cellar and derail the rebuild effort.

4. Maggette is terrible.

5. The added First round pick somewhat negates the future first owed to Chicago.

[SWedd523]

Somebody please retweet Chad Ford and say:

More like Kemba (6'1), Hendo (6'5), Gordon (6'3), and Williams (6'6). So tiny! Dumbass.




Just like Gilchrist and Beal won't workout for Charlotte?

http://answers.bettor.com/images/Articles/thumbs/extralarge/Charlotte-Bobcats-hold-workouts-for-Michael-Kidd-Gilchrist-and-Bradley-Beal-NBA-Update-163748.jpg

Dumbass.

[Kemba2Hendo]

This is such a great move. I love the deal for 5 reasons.

1. Charlotte currently only has Gordon, Tyrus, Kemba, and Bismack on the payroll past next year... and Tyrus can be amnestied. So they're going to need to add people anyway to meet the salary minimum.

2. They only add one year of salary (2 years for Gordon vs 1 for Maggette) so it's not a huge commitment and he'll be an attractive expiring or will decline his option to go after one more big-ish deal.

3. Gordon steps in as a big minutes 6th man on a team that desperately needs shooting, scoring, and bench production. and he's not good enough to take the team out of the cellar and derail the rebuild effort.

4. Maggette is terrible.

5. The added First round pick somewhat negates the future first owed to Chicago.

I think it was you who used to talk about this but some people who complain about BG's contract don't understand the cap floor I don't think and this money basically had to be spent.

[Hormel]

This is such a great move. I love the deal for 5 reasons.

1. Charlotte currently only has Gordon, Tyrus, Kemba, and Bismack on the payroll past next year... and Tyrus can be amnestied. So they're going to need to add people anyway to meet the salary minimum.

2. They only add one year of salary (2 years for Gordon vs 1 for Maggette) so it's not a huge commitment and he'll be an attractive expiring or will decline his option to go after one more big-ish deal.

3. Gordon steps in as a big minutes 6th man on a team that desperately needs shooting, scoring, and bench production. and he's not good enough to take the team out of the cellar and derail the rebuild effort.

4. Maggette is terrible.

5. The added First round pick somewhat negates the future first owed to Chicago.

http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m22qkaAMJy1qk5ynno1_400.gif

[G Wuh Wuh Wuh Wallace]

Like this move a lot. What is the soonest Gordon or the pick could be traded? I don't think this has much affect on our draft plans at this point although it does add some questions. Why was this deal done today is my biggest question? Some type of hidden cho bargaining piece for the draft that we don't see? So excited for Thursday.

[Kemba2Hendo]

Like this move a lot. What is the soonest Gordon or the pick could be traded? I don't think this has much affect on our draft plans at this point although it does add some questions. Why was this deal done today is my biggest question? Some type of hidden cho bargaining piece for the draft that we don't see? So excited for Thursday.

Whenever but likely Gordon when he is an expiring

[dnbman]

I think it was you who used to talk about this but some people who complain about BG's contract don't understand the cap floor I don't think and this money basically had to be spent.

That's true, but the money could have been spent elsewhere. Still happy with the trade, though.

[ohara831]

Have not seen Spectre chime in with his thoughts. Must be in shock, out, or in deep thought.

[dnbman]

Have not seen Spectre chime in with his thoughts. Must be in shock, out, or in deep thought.

He was part of the deal. We're getting four Detroit trolls back in return. Cost of business.

[WAM9]

I absolutely love it.

Cho is working hard like we all knew he would.

What's next?

[ohara831]

He was part of the deal. We're getting four Detroit trolls back in return. Cost of business.



Damn! Gonna miss him. Maybe he returns as a FA when his time is served! :)

[BountyHunter]

Good move. Basically we got Det 1st rounder for around 1.5 mil. Because IMHO Gordon won't see a nickel of his player option from us in 2013 because we can do the same thing with him next year. Also with Maggette's injury history he was going to be an awful fit in Dunlap's uptempo style. Very good trade.

[dnbman]

Good move. Basically we got Det 1st rounder for around 1.5 mil. Because IMHO Gordon won't see a nickel of his player option from us in 2013 because we can do the same thing with him next year.

Remember though: to trade an expiring, you're either giving it to a team who can absorb the contract at a price (like a draft pick) or your taking on more years of a contract. Only other way would be if somebody loved Gordon for their playoff team and offered us a little something for him.

Again, not worried, but we did pay some serious money for that pick.

[Keetch]

It's such a relief to have Cho working for our team. My goodness. Great trade.

[SWedd523]

Remember though: to trade an expiring, you're either giving it to a team who can absorb the contract at a price (like a draft pick) or your taking on more years of a contract. Only other way would be if somebody loved Gordon for their playoff team and offered us a little something for him.

Again, not worried, but we did pay some serious money for that pick.

You mean like we did with Jack? when we got Bismack. Then with Bad Porn? got us probably another lottery pick.



I hope Cho can keep this c-c-c-combo going

[DY_nasty]

Remember though: to trade an expiring, you're either giving it to a team who can absorb the contract at a price (like a draft pick) or your taking on more years of a contract. Only other way would be if somebody loved Gordon for their playoff team and offered us a little something for him.

Again, not worried, but we did pay some serious money for that pick.
The money had to go somewhere.

And taking a gamble on a guy like Batum isn't the answer. Even if we don't flip Gordon for another pick, he's still gone in two years - and we'll have all the money to blow on adding to whatever talent has been accumulated and developed in that time frame.

[SJackson1]

great trade for us, Gordon is great 3 point shooter and will help our roster no doubt.

[Black]

Sorry if I'm rehashing things that have already been said, but I'm excited.

-Dunlap said he wanted shooters. Well, he got one. Gordon is a career 44% shooter from beyond the arc. That's phenomenal.

-I'm a firm believer in a change of scenery being a good thing.

-Gordon will contribute far more than Maggette, and the money difference is negligible due to the fact that we have so little money committed to the 2013-2014 season.

-We get a pick to boot. Plain and simple, this is what we all wanted. Cho is picking up assets. Everyone on other boards likes to point out that we owe Chicago a pick. Well guess what? We're owed two, and the protection on the Detroit pick favors us.

This is a great move for us. It shows that the front office is sticking to the plan of building through the draft, while still improving the team in the short term by spending money we have to spend. I fully expect Gordon to be one of our top scorers next year.

Love this move.

[BountyHunter]

Remember though: to trade an expiring, you're either giving it to a team who can absorb the contract at a price (like a draft pick) or your taking on more years of a contract. Only other way would be if somebody loved Gordon for their playoff team and offered us a little something for him.

Again, not worried, but we did pay some serious money for that pick.

Your right. But theoretically you could make a trade like that every year. Next year Gordon will be on an expiring deal and we could trade him for a player with 2 years left around the same money and a pick. Do that every year and you never have to pay that 2nd year.
I know it's probably not realistic as eventually you will have to pay that 2nd year to someone. But it is possible.

[Bosnian-Bobcats-Fan]

Good trade for us.....Got a scorer and 3 pt shooter which we needed...and another pick....Rich Cho is the MAN.....

[BountyHunter]

Thank about this .. Cho turned Steven Jackson into Ben Gordon and 2 1st round picks. Now that's how you get it done!!

[Chef]

Thank about this .. Cho turned Steven Jackson into Ben Gordon and 2 1st round picks. Now that's how you get it done!!

and a lame duck corey magette who probably contributed for negative 30 win shares which got us the #2 pick in this years draft.

[dnbman]

You mean like we did with Jack? when we got Bismack. Then with Bad Porn? got us probably another lottery pick.



I hope Cho can keep this c-c-c-combo going

It would be nice if he could, but they couldn't pull anything off at the deadline for the above reason. Maybe June is Cho's month.

[dnbman]

Your right. But theoretically you could make a trade like that every year. Next year Gordon will be on an expiring deal and we could trade him for a player with 2 years left around the same money and a pick. Do that every year and you never have to pay that 2nd year.
I know it's probably not realistic as eventually you will have to pay that 2nd year to someone. But it is possible.

It's definitely possible, but that means you've basically got $10M lined up for trades every year while your first round picks are earning more and more money and you have to resign previous picks.

I get that you're not suggesting that we do this for years or anything (or Swedd's c-c-c-c-c-combo.). But we do have to being paying attention to our salaries, which I believe Cho and company are doing.

AGAIN, good trade. Just a little leery of that big salary hit when next summer's FA crop looks very promising.

[skratch]

I liked maggette he was the only person on the team who could draw a foul, this trade screams Barnes which i dont like, is Ben gordon starter worthy? will hendo get moved to the 3?

[westbrook08]

I gotta say i'm not feeling this one that much.There's gonna be alot of decent 3 point shooters available in the 2nd round on thursday,reggie williams is back completely healthy and i was hoping he would see the floor more this coming year,gordon is a chucker and will take valuable minutes away from our young guys,and we basically just took on 15.2 million dollars to to get an extra pick next year in what might be one of the worst drafts of all time!We had better be using that pick or the portland pick to get something 2 days from now or we just screwed the fuckin pooch!

[SJackson1]

do you think Gordon will start ?

[dnbman]

I gotta say i'm not feeling this one that much.There's gonna be alot of decent 3 point shooters available in the 2nd round on thursday,reggie williams is back completely healthy and i was hoping he would see the floor more this coming year,gordon is a chucker and will take valuable minutes away from our young guys,and we basically just took on 15.2 million dollars to to get an extra pick next year in what might be one of the worst drafts of all time!We had better be using that pick or the portland pick to get something 2 days from now or we just screwed the fuckin pooch!

Pick doesn't have to be next year, when it's lottery protected.


The Pistons' draft pick is also protected through the eighth selection in 2014 and No. 1 in 2015. It is unprotected if the deal extends to 2016.

I'm assuming Detroit won't make the playoffs and will keep the pick. [/quote]

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--sources--pistons-deal-ben-gordon-to-bobcats-for-corey-maggette.html;_ylt=AuQHy.z5AI1ckF3_D1kMtcq8vLYF

[BountyHunter]

It's definitely possible, but that means you've basically got $10M lined up for trades every year while your first round picks are earning more and more money and you have to resign previous picks.

I get that you're not suggesting that we do this for years or anything (or Swedd's c-c-c-c-c-combo.). But we do have to being paying attention to our salaries, which I believe Cho and company are doing.

AGAIN, good trade. Just a little leery of that big salary hit when next summer's FA crop looks very promising.

Our cap situation right now allows us to carry that extra year. But you are right that we will have to address that inflated contract for a year. Especially when our rookies need to be resigned. But we could catch lightning in a bottle and Ben's change of scenery could help him and he will be worth being paid that second year.

[DY_nasty]

It would be nice if he could, but they couldn't pull anything off at the deadline for the above reason. Maybe June is Cho's month.
So he should've made a trade in June just to make a trade?

[westbrook08]

I think if detroit adds a decent player on thursday that they have a chance @ making the playoffs in the east.It's still the east! lol. And i don't think this necessarily means we have to draft a sf at #2 or 4 on thursday.Henderson and williams can both play minutes at the 3,you still have ups as a back up,if you make the cleveland trade you can take robinson @ 4 ,probably have quincy miller or royce white sitting there @ 24,or take 24 and the portland or detroit pick and move up for ross or harkless,or just stay @ 2 and draft robinson and take darius miller from kentucky @ 31.We have options.I just didn't particularly like the trade!

[SJackson1]

Dunlap mentioned in an interview a couple of days ago that we needed 3 point shooter to spread the other sides defense, this is a good trade !

[dnbman]

So he should've made a trade in June just to make a trade?

Meaning, they couldn't do something similar in February. Subtle joke. Not executed well. Walking slowly off bridge now.

[westbrook08]

Of course we need 3 point shooting.But will barton,kim english,or john jenkins wouldn't have cost us an extra 15.2 million dollars! Although, i do know that jordan has often talked about liking scoring point guards.I know that gordon tends to play mostly 2 guard,but i wouldn't be surprised if he's dj's replacement with us. I could see he and henderson playing alongside each other or him playing with williams on the 2nd unit.We'll see!

[Chef]

Of course we need 3 point shooting.But will barton,kim english,or john jenkins wouldn't have cost us an extra 15.2 million dollars! Although, i do know that jordan has often talked about liking scoring point guards.I know that gordon tends to play mostly 2 guard,but i wouldn't be surprised if he's dj's replacement with us. I could see he and henderson playing alongside each other or him playing with williams on the 2nd unit.We'll see!

your concern is addressed here. just need an insider to copy/paste

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/story?id=8100149&_slug_=nba-bobcats-pistons-deal-not-players&action=upsell&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnba %2fstory%3fid%3d8100149%26_slug_%3dnba-bobcats-pistons-deal-not-players

[dnbman]

Of course we need 3 point shooting.But will barton,kim english,or john jenkins wouldn't have cost us an extra 15.2 million dollars! Although, i do know that jordan has often talked about liking scoring point guards.I know that gordon tends to play mostly 2 guard,but i wouldn't be surprised if he's dj's replacement with us. I could see he and henderson playing alongside each other or him playing with williams on the 2nd unit.We'll see!

Hollinger: "Let me make this real simple for you: The Bobcats just purchased a first-round draft pick with money they had to spend anyway."

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/story?id=8100149&_slug_=nba-bobcats-pistons-deal-not-players&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnba %2fstory%3fid%3d8100149%26_slug_%3dnba-bobcats-pistons-deal-not-players

If they make the playoffs next year, then we wait for the pick. I'm o.k. with it. Acquiring assets.

[dnbman]

your concern is addressed here. just need an insider to copy/paste

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/story?id=8100149&_slug_=nba-bobcats-pistons-deal-not-players&action=upsell&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnba %2fstory%3fid%3d8100149%26_slug_%3dnba-bobcats-pistons-deal-not-players

jinx.
10characters. Cho winning.

[ND22]

Of course we need 3 point shooting.But will barton,kim english,or john jenkins wouldn't have cost us an extra 15.2 million dollars! Although, i do know that jordan has often talked about liking scoring point guards.I know that gordon tends to play mostly 2 guard,but i wouldn't be surprised if he's dj's replacement with us. I could see he and henderson playing alongside each other or him playing with williams on the 2nd unit.We'll see!

Think of it this way; Gordon is not likely a long term option for us. We could still draft one of those 3pt shooting threats in the 2nd rd and when Gordon is gone in 1-2 years, in steps that 3pt shooter.

I like this trade; I liked Maggette but Bad Porn is still Bad Porn, only so much of it you can take.

Gordon is softcore porn, which doesn't really excite you but probably won't get you in trouble with your girlfriend either.

[The Milk]

I am a big fan of this trade because in my opinion. Ben Gordon > Spaghetti and + 1st rounder. This is pure win IMHO

[BountyHunter]

Let me make this real simple for you: The Bobcats just purchased a first-round draft pick with money they had to spend anyway.
The headlines will say that Ben Gordon (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2381/ben-gordon) was traded for Corey Maggette (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/497/corey-maggette), but pay no mind; they're just contracts in this deal. They're not bad players necessarily, but they're roughly equivalent talents with oversized contracts on teams going nowhere.
The real action is comes through the draft pick and the money changing hands. Charlotte now has a potential lottery pick in 2014 or 2015, and the cost is the difference in salary (about $14 million). Normally that would be an excessive price to pay, but these aren't normal times. The Bobcats may not hit the league's salary floor in 2013-14, let alone the cap, so the $13.2 million that Gordon adds to their payroll in that season doesn't stand to hurt them much since they needed to add a bunch of salary anyway. In that sense, they really paid far less than $14 million for the draft pick.
From Detroit's perspective, this deal was a no-brainer. The Pistons dump $13.2 million from their 2013-14 payroll, since Maggette's contract expires in 2012-13, retain their amnesty clause to use on Charlie Villanueva (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2792/charlie-villanueva) (instead of maybe Gordon), and now stand to be as much as $20 million under the cap that summer, depending on what moves they make between now and then.




here you go enjoy

[dnbman]

here you go enjoy

Cheers. I only had the first line, but it was enough for me!

[westbrook08]

I would have much preferred to use that money in free agency to go after a guy like nick batum.Now we won't have enough money to in all likely hood.And i still don't like the fact that you have someone who is going to demand the basketball as much as gordon,taking minutes away from our young guys.If we were gonna take on 15.2 million dollars to help out detroit,then we should have demanded the 9th pick on thursday night! Although i do find it funny that they said on the observer that maggette was the first player who called dunlap to congratulate him after getting the job.And they went on to say how dunlap was gonna go visit all the players on their on turf and hang out with them this summer..I'm just imagining the message on maggette's voice mail. "Hey Cory.How's it going buddy?This is coach mike.So,about that trip to six flags with kids and everything.Um.....yeah....so,does your airline let you keep the miles if you change the destination? Cause here's the thing........um...." Lol. That had to be so awkward.

[bozzy]

Gordon will probably have a bigger impact than Maggette did so that is a positive. The money sucks but getting a draft pick out of it as well makes it a no brainer. The Bobcats aren't going to be cap strapped the next two years so people who complain about the salary confuse me. Are you just upset that Jordan is going to be wasting a few extra million? Because otherwise, it will not keep the Bobcats from acquiring any talent or put them over the cap.

[dnbman]

Although i do find it funny that they said on the observer that maggette was the first player who called dunlap to congratulate him after getting the job.And they went on to say how dunlap was gonna go visit all the players on their on turf and hang out with them this summer..I'm just imagining the message on maggette's voice mail. "Hey Cory.How's it going buddy?This is coach mike.So,about that trip to six flags with kids and everything.Um.....yeah....so,does your airline let you keep the miles if you change the destination? Cause here's the thing........um...." Lol. That had to be so awkward.

HAHA! I thought the same thing!! Hate it for Maggette. He seems like he's been a great Bobcat off the court.

Damn shame. Seems like a nice guy: https://twitter.com/#!/ghostC5M

[SJackson1]

Gordon is a machine from 3 point line and he will definatley help us next season.

[Black]

Absolutely. There will be games where he struggles, but there will be more games where he's drilling threes. The more I read and think about this trade, the more I love it. My man crush on Cho is at an all time high.

[SJackson1]

Absolutely. There will be games where he struggles, but there will be more games where he's drilling threes. The more I read and think about this trade, the more I love it. My man crush on Cho is at an all time high.

i think he his perfect to come off the bench and be our 6th man

[TattoodCats4life]

Something I just thought about, the Amnesty provision allows you to drop a player from your cap situation (still paid by the team minus what any new signing team pays). The amnesty only applies to contracts signed under the previous CBA. Couldn't we technically amnesty Gordon if we wanted to or if he turned out to be even more slumpy here?

[westbrook08]

In response to bozzy.Yes it is a few million extra this year.However,it is 13.2 million next year,which is not a few,and which we could have used on the open market.And if detroit somehow makes the playoffs our reward is going to be a pick in the teens in a draft where cody zellar is gonna be a top 5 pick! Seriously? I we had demanded the 9th pick this year or got the other pick completely unprotected that would be one thing.But now instead of being able to choose to draft a guy like drummond(if he drops),or lamb,or myers leonard,or damian lillard,or getting an extra shot @ nerlens noel or shabazz muhammed next year,we may very well get stuck with 15.2 million extra,get the equivalent of a d-leaguer back,and miss out on trying to add a guy like like batum.Not to mention the fact that gordon might just make us good enough this year to miss out on noel or muhammed with our own pick.That's like walking in on your girlfriend fucking your best friend and then when you kick her out,you realize she maxed out your credit cards and took your dog.It's just insult to injury.I like gordon.Just not in the way this deal was done.To each their own!

[dnbman]

Something I just thought about, the Amnesty provision allows you to drop a player from your cap situation (still paid by the team minus what any new signing team pays). The amnesty only applies to contracts signed under the previous CBA. Couldn't we technically amnesty Gordon if we wanted to or if he turned out to be even more slumpy here?

No. We had to have the player on our roster.

[SJackson1]

so we have Gordon under contract for 2 years ?

[westbrook08]

Yes.He is under contract for 2 years.

[dnbman]

Assuming he picks up his player option (he'd have to play out of his mind to earn more), yes: two years @ $25m.

[SJackson1]

Assuming he picks up his player option (he'd have to play out of his mind to earn more), yes: two years @ $25m.

if he hits over 300 3's then maybe lol

[Ghost Kat]

what about Matt Carroll?

[SJackson1]

what about Matt Carroll?

he can leave

[Black]

Diop, Carroll, Thomas are the likely candidates in my mind to be amnestied. In that order.

[SJackson1]

Diop, Carroll, Thomas are the likely candidates in my mind to be amnestied. In that order.

i wouldn't argue with that

[superb1]

decent trade, not too keen on taking BG's contract but its money, gotta spend it somehow. A two yr rental on a 3 pt shooter. I hope we turn the Detroit future pick or Portland's into a pick this year. That trade no 1 out of the way. On to Cleveland?

[Black]

decent trade, not too keen on taking BG's contract but its money, gotta spend it somehow. A two yr rental on a 3 pt shooter. I hope we turn the Detroit future pick or Portland's into a pick this year. That trade no 1 out of the way. On to Cleveland?

Or turn both of those picks into a late lottery pick. Houston is trying to gather assets to send to Orlando. Maybe both picks for fourteen this year would help their cause. Decent chance one, if not both of those picks will end up being higher than fourteen in a future draft.

Kemba
Henderson
Harkless
Robinson
Bismack

Gordon
Mullens
Williams
Melo or whoever at 31


I'd love that core.

[westbrook08]

I love that idea.That would allow us to add either harkless,ross,or marshall potentially.My dream scenario is we trade down with cleveland get robinson @ 4,harkless @14,quincy miller,royce white,sullinger,or fab melo @ 24(all of those guys have so much potential that position really doesn't matter),and scott machado @ 31.That plus the addition of gordon would have us looking very good for the future!

[Black]

We could even throw 31 in. If we land 4 and 24, then flip the Portland pick, the Detroit pick, and 31 to get 14, I would run around the neighborhood naked. So if you're stuck in traffic for some reason during the draft, and you see a tall fat guy streaking down Colony Rd., know that something great has happened.

[QC Thundercats]

I really like this trade, this is exactly what I'd hope we would start doing years back when Portland and OKC always seemed to acquire extra picks all the time. The asset gathering strategy allows for so much more flexibility in trades, as multiple first rounders as well as cap space can ultimately be flipped into either a lottery pick or young upcoming star. So this is what we have going forward:

2012: #2 pick, #31 pick
2013: Lottery pick (probably top 5), 15-20 pick, 15-20 pick
or 2014: Lottery pick, potential late lottery pick, 15-20 pick

That's 6 first rounders (#31 counts as a first in this draft to me), or a potential 4 lottery picks that can be packaged and dealt the next couple years. If we make the trade with Cleveland, then thats 7 first rounders. Hopefully we hit big on maybe two of those picks to go with our other young'uns, then we'd have either a couple big expiring contracts and an amnestied Tyrus if necessary to create the room to sign or trade for an impact free agent.

The other thing I like is how stealthy the Bobcats always are. It always seems like our trades come out of absolutely nowhere. All the media pundits always speculate how we're gonna screw up, and always end up being dead wrong. It makes it seem to me that the front office is in total control for this draft, and whatever they decide to do was probably the best option, regardless of who all of us fans really want. I can accept whatever they decide.

Last point - holy shit, is Ben Gordon really going to be paid over $25M the next couple years? Its funny how people like to kill Jordan all the time for his management, but Dumars signed Gordon to a 5 year $55M contract for a streaky, one dimensional, undersized shooting guard, and a 5 year $35M contract to an out of shape, unmotivated power forward who'd rather shoot 3s in Charlie Villenueva. And he drafted the one bust in Darko out of the rest of the top five picks that year that produced superstars. I guess he gets a pass for the one championship, although I'm sure Larry Brown's teaching of Billups and Hamilton, as well as probably convincing Dumars to take Rasheed should get more of the credit. But no, the rhetoric always is that Jordan is the worst in the league, and Dumars is seen as a competent architect? Hopefully this changes as we start winning in a couple years.

[westbrook08]

That's the one thing that excites me about cho,is that when portland and okc were building their teams they always making trades and being pro-active on draft day.And they usually got it right.I don't wanna hear about morrison or may or okafor,or how we could have traded for chris paul or deron williams,or how jordan sucks ever again.As far as i'm concerned,mike has stepped up and tried to learn from his mistakes,he's brought in great people, and he's shown commitment to the community.In my eyes,the bob johnson era is finally gone,and this franchise truly started last year with cho, kemba and biz.Now let's keep building on it!

[CamoAmmo35]

After the draft I see us turning into a young team with a lot of potential with the picks we might acquire, Of course depending on if we do the beal trade we will have a young nucleas to build around just like the kings, and the t wolves considering how deep this draft is and we will work from there.

[spectre]

I have a trade clause that won't allow them to deal me north of Virginia.

What a shocker to come on here this AM and start reading the "2nd pick discussion" thread and everyone is talking about MKG, and someone casually mentions Ben Gordon. Kind of rough on the heart this early.

Lots of salary to take on a pick but as Swedd reminded a few pages back we will have to spend that money somewhere. I'd normally be against this type of deal and keep that huge sum to play with but in this case Cho is being proactive...looking ahead to that 2nd year now instead of us trying to fill it up all in one little window. That's very good planning on the FO's part.

If this is leading to the Bobcats drafting by position vs BPA it'd piss me off...but at this stage I'm not about to start doubting Cho now. There are PLENTY of SFs better in FA or acquirable via trade than what we ran with last year so I still think we go for the most talent.

Keep getting us those assets Cho!

[JohnnyTimmons]

Am I the only one that thinks we should still draft T Rob and hope for a Muhammed or SF in next years draft. I can't shake the feeling that Rob will be an shorter but quicker Aldridge type. And thats a good thing.

[BlockParty]

Great move, as with most things with Cho we don't know where all the pieces are moving, he is already 4 steps in front of us, 3 steps in front of the competition, 2 steps in front of the agents and 5 steps in front of the media. I'd like to see the fun graphics his database spits out when he punches in his own trade info.

This isn't about the players Gordon or Maggs, it's all about buying a pick in the future. We will suck again this year, though we'll be more exciting and suck slightly less, but we need to suck, we need another high draft pick next year. Following the OKC model...Durant is great, but he's better with Westbrook as a scoring threat. Hopefully the picks we are accumulating can become the "Harden" pick 2 years from now.

[westbrook08]

I think we should definitely still draft robinson.Maybe we can go after jeff green as a free agent or swing another deal if we trade down so we could get t-rob and harkless.If not darius miller will be there @ 31.And shabazz muhammed will be a 2 guard in the nba for sure.But he's gonna be a freakin stud and we would be very lucky if we can get him next year!

[superb1]

I think we should definitely still draft robinson.Maybe we can go after jeff green as a free agent or swing another deal if we trade down so we could get t-rob and harkless.If not darius miller will be there @ 31.And shabazz muhammed will be a 2 guard in the nba for sure.But he's gonna be a freakin stud and we would be very lucky if we can get him next year!

I was just about to post about Jeff Green being a possibility. Could Boston do a sign and trade and we send them TT or BG maybe since Ray Allen and/ or Garnett maybe leaving.

[Chef]

mags surprised me with his class here:

Corey Maggette: Appreciate the bobcats and micheal Jordan for being In charlotte love the fans and city thank u. Bj Evans rod rich cho Dennis Williams thx Twitter
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Corey Maggette: Keep working @Bismack Biyombo n @Gerald Henderson u guys can be Allstars strive for excellence. Best of luck to Kemba n dee brown aka powder Twitter
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[bozzy]

In response to bozzy.Yes it is a few million extra this year.However,it is 13.2 million next year,which is not a few,and which we could have used on the open market.

From what I read, the Bobcats will be lucky to get to the minimum required salary cap level in 2 years, so it will not be stopping them from getting another player.

[adam187]

mags surprised me with his class here:

Corey Maggette: Appreciate the bobcats and micheal Jordan for being In charlotte love the fans and city thank u. Bj Evans rod rich cho Dennis Williams thx Twitter
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Corey Maggette: Keep working @Bismack Biyombo n @Gerald Henderson u guys can be Allstars strive for excellence. Best of luck to Kemba n dee brown aka powder Twitter
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yeah, i thought that was pretty cool. hopefully maggette enjoys detroit, he seems like a good guy, wish him the best of the luck.

and i have to strongly disagree with people saying we're wasting our FA money. we'll be barely hitting the floor as it is in the coming years and when you have too much cap space money to spend, that's how you end up with Ben Gordon $55 mil for 5 years contracts in the first place. at least this way it's only 2 years and we get a free draft pick out of it.

[SJackson1]

hopefully Gordon will perform for us and hit some tres !

[bbh2020]

BG will give us the same, if not more, production than Maggette gave us for the same $ this year. Then next year he will be an expiring so we have really lost nothing. No free agents are going to come here this year anyways after such an awful year last year. If we land another high lottery pick next year and we have a 13 million expiring in Gordon, we can really make some noise!!!!

I have a feeling BG will be on a mission to revive his career this year. He was not happy in Detroit.

Be patient guys. The next 2 offseasons will be exciting.

[SJackson1]

we need to be patient but not too patient, we need to realy improve from last season and i think we should sign at least 1 player in free agency

[Let's Go Cats 218]

I think we'll finally have a 6th man that can come off the bench and hit 3's... that is awesome. We'll also add at least 2 new faces to the team via the draft...pair all of that with Kemba and Bismack, this team is beginning to look a lot different already. I'm pumped, but patient.

[westbrook08]

From what I read, the Bobcats will be lucky to get to the minimum required salary cap level in 2 years, so it will not be stopping them from getting another player.

yeah,lower level players.But if we want to go after players that can be building blocks,we're gonna need enough of that money freed up to make a significant move,not just sign a 3 million dollar player here,or a 5 million dollar player there.That's how we ended up with shitty contracts like carroll's and diop's.A player like nick batum or jeff green could really help us right now and i'm not sure where this leaves us.And if the new coach decides he wants to use biz @ the 4 and we take a wing player in the draft,we're definitely not gonna be able to make a run @ lopez or hibbert.People wanna talk about "a few years down the road" ,but i think there are several players this offseason that could help us now and that would be much more open to signing here than guys like howard,or curry,or paul.

[Black]

yeah,lower level players.But if we want to go after players that can be building blocks,we're gonna need enough of that money freed up to make a significant move,not just sign a 3 million dollar player here,or a 5 million dollar player there.That's how we ended up with shitty contracts like carroll's and diop's.A player like nick batum or jeff green could really help us right now and i'm not sure where this leaves us.And if the new coach decides he wants to use biz @ the 4 and we take a wing player in the draft,we're definitely not gonna be able to make a run @ lopez or hibbert.People wanna talk about "a few years down the road" ,but i think there are several players this offseason that could help us now and that would be much more open to signing here than guys like howard,or curry,or paul.

We still have a lot of money this year, especially if we use the amnesty clause. It's just a matter of if we choose to use it or not. If we save the money until next year, we will have a ridiculous amount of flexibility between our cap room and our draft picks to acquire an established player through trade.

I think this is playing out exactly how Cho envisioned it.

[Chef]

We still have a lot of money this year, especially if we use the amnesty clause. It's just a matter of if we choose to use it or not. If we save the money until next year, we will have a ridiculous amount of flexibility between our cap room and our draft picks to acquire an established player through trade.

I think this is playing out exactly how Cho envisioned it.

i would not plan on the cats amnestying anyone. makes no sense.

[Frosty06306]

This is a great trade, got someone in Gordon who can shoot the ball and a future 1st whenever that may be, it will be a good pick hoping as long as we don't get it next year as I've heard its a weak draft. But if we do and don't get the number one pick, we could package that first rounder and our normal first for a higher pick since we expect as of now to only have 2 or 3 really good players in next years draft. (Noel, Muhammad, and Zeller)

[Black]

i would not plan on the cats amnestying anyone. makes no sense.

If they do plan on signing any significant free agent, then they absolutely will. Diop would be the leading candidate.

[kitch0202]

Your right. But theoretically you could make a trade like that every year. Next year Gordon will be on an expiring deal and we could trade him for a player with 2 years left around the same money and a pick. Do that every year and you never have to pay that 2nd year.
I know it's probably not realistic as eventually you will have to pay that 2nd year to someone. But it is possible.

^^^ exactly my thoughts!

Couldn't be happier with this trade. It obviously highlights a need at SF that will send out a clear, Cho scripted, message to those involved in the trading of early picks in the draft. Or we'll move one of our SGs for a SF, with picks potentially involved.

Cheers,

Kitch.

[kitch0202]

... we could package that first rounder and our normal first for a higher pick since we expect as of now to only have 2 or 3 really good players in next years draft. (Noel, Muhammad, and Zeller)

IF we begin to get enough wins to take us out of the range of drafting a top level, good fit player in the next couple of seasons we can do just as Frosty says.

Another reason to love this trade and the flexibility it affords us.

Cheers,

Kitch.

[SJackson1]

i don't think we should give away our 2nd pick unless we can get a solid/star player in the mid 20's

[Chef]

If they do plan on signing any significant free agent, then they absolutely will. Diop would be the leading candidate.

there isn't a significant free agent that wants to come here that won't get a similar offer from another team.

[Proudiddy]

YES. YES. YES.

Been a BG fan for awhile.

CHO = Genius.

Two assets for none.

[bing!]

Two assets for none.

Two assets for 14.7 million assets, if you catch my drift. I'm also quite keen on Gordon but, for someone who's had three meek seasons in a row, his contract hurts.

[SWedd523]

Two assets for 14.7 million assets, if you catch my drift. I'm also quite keen on Gordon but, for someone who's had three meek seasons in a row, his contract hurts.

Maggette and Gordon are on contracts for this year, so it's a wash... even though Gordon is a much better player. Therefore, we're essentially trading for an expiring contract and a potential lottery pick. He'll be an appealing trade target for many teams (40+% from range and expiring) and could net us a very good return. Not to mention that simply keeping him helps us meet the salary floor for a year (and he has great value in that role as well).


There is no way this could be a bad trade for Charlotte

[dnbman]

Safe to say this also quiets the Harden rumors?

[CatNation1]

Two assets for 14.7 million assets, if you catch my drift. I'm also quite keen on Gordon but, for someone who's had three meek seasons in a row, his contract hurts.

His contract doesn't hurt us at all

[bing!]

You've misread me. I never said his contract was gonna hurt the team (hell, we're practically not paying anyone anything), I merely meant that coughing up 12m+13m for a player who's not likely to perform well (20+ ppg etc.) "hurts".

We've traded an expiring contract for another that's gonna become as such in a year and a potential pick, which practically boils down to an investment, hoping that Ben's gonna net a solid piece to pair with a slew of young, unproven players and picks gained from another year of tanking like bosses. That "hurts" as well, the goddamn wait.

[Proudiddy]

Bing, I'm with Swedd's line of thinking on this deal.

And what I meant by two assets for none is this -

We all saw how Maggs gets hit 18+ppg last year. It isn't pretty. He's what 32 or 33 and his style wasn't conducive to a successful team concept. On top of that, he missed how many games? He's can't be relied upon.

His contract was expiring so Cho used it to attain an asset, and in this case, TWO.

We needed outside shooting and we needed it badly. Gordon makes so much sense b/c in smaller lineups, we could run Kemba, BG, and Hendo at the 1,2, and 3. Any other time, we can utilize him at either guard position. Yes, he has an extra year on his contract that Maggs did, BUT, he has an option after this season.

So, best case scenario? He plays this year out or gets traded at the deadline (because of the possibility of him opting out) and opts out of the last year.

Worst case? He doesn't opt out and plays both years. Okay, well, we have an proven outside shooter that can play two positions and his salary will come off the books the same time as Carroll and Diop. That's a massive load of cap space.

So we got a great player that we needed for one we didn't who can either be moved later as an expiring, or will come off the books after two years of providing a skillset that has been badly needed for our entire existence.

On top of that, we picked up a first.

We got both of those things for a guy that wasn't in the equation here regardless.

Two for none.

And our team WILL have at least 20 wins this coming season.

[SuperKemba]

Bing, I'm with Swedd's line of thinking on this deal.

And what I meant by two assets for none is this -

We all saw how Maggs gets hit 18+ppg last year. It isn't pretty. He's what 32 or 33 and his style wasn't conducive to a successful team concept. On top of that, he missed how many games? He's can't be relied upon.

His contract was expiring so Cho used it to attain an asset, and in this case, TWO.

We needed outside shooting and we needed it badly. Gordon makes so much sense b/c in smaller lineups, we could run Kemba, BG, and Hendo at the 1,2, and 3. Any other time, we can utilize him at either guard position. Yes, he has an extra year on his contract that Maggs did, BUT, he has an option after this season.

So, best case scenario? He plays this year out or gets traded at the deadline (because of the possibility of him opting out) and opts out of the last year.

Worst case? He doesn't opt out and plays both years. Okay, well, we have an proven outside shooter that can play two positions and his salary will come off the books the same time as Carroll and Diop. That's a massive load of cap space.

So we got a great player that we needed for one we didn't who can either be moved later as an expiring, or will come off the books after two years of providing a skillset that has been badly needed for our entire existence.

On top of that, we picked up a first.

We got both of those things for a guy that wasn't in the equation here regardless.

Two for none.

And our team WILL have at least 20 wins this coming season.

Diop's contract comes off the book right after this following season.

[Proudiddy]

Diop's contract comes off the book right after this following season.

Oops, read somewhere that it was next and so was Carroll's.

Regardless, that's a ton of space so the contract doesn't hurt us.

Our strategy is to collect assets, build through the draft, and add key pieces here and there through trades/FA where needed, but I don't ever seeing us signing a guy to a max contract that we didn't draft.

[Ghost Kat]

Hands down this is a good trade. But I doubt Ben will be a 6th man here so what happens to Henderson now? He's not really a SF and I'd honestly rather keep him at SG. The draft pick is really what we paid for. So if my memory is correct we have two extra though protected picks in next years draft....correct?

[Black]

Hands down this is a good trade. But I doubt Ben will be a 6th man here so what happens to Henderson now? He's not really a SF and I'd honestly rather keep him at SG. The draft pick is really what we paid for. So if my memory is correct we have two extra though protected picks in next years draft....correct?

I think starting shooting guard is Henderson's job to lose. And yes, two future protected picks.

[TheBeagle]

Thank about this .. Cho turned Steven Jackson into Ben Gordon and 2 1st round picks. Now that's how you get it done!! You nailed it. This is exactly what I told some friends when we saw the ticker on NBATV late last night, but I kinda flipped it this way:

Corey Maggette got us: 1. Rid of Jack
2. Biz
3. Gordo
4. 1st round pick

Maggette may very well be the best player in Bobcats history and not a lick of it for anything he did on the court. Rich Cho I worship thee.

[SJackson1]

i think Gordon can be our 6th man becasue he will be a spark off the bench which we have been missing for a couple of years.

[TheBeagle]

mags surprised me with his class here:

Corey Maggette: Appreciate the bobcats and micheal Jordan for being In charlotte love the fans and city thank u. Bj Evans rod rich cho Dennis Williams thx Twitter
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Corey Maggette: Keep working @Bismack Biyombo n @Gerald Henderson u guys can be Allstars strive for excellence. Best of luck to Kemba n dee brown aka powder Twitter
Rumors tagsCharlotte Bobcats, Corey Maggette | share Share on FacebookShare on TwitterSubscribe to HoopsHype rumors Not surprising. He bought out a good chunk of seats behind one of the baskets to seat a bunch of rowdy fans (Crazy Cats or something along that line), and indicated he would do it for every home game, every year he's here with instructions that Junior carry on if he is traded.

Maybe he was a douche early in his career, but Maggette is all class.

[westbrook08]

I actually don't mind henderson @ the 3.He's long and very athletic,he's a good rebounber,and he's a hell of a shot blocker for a guard.I think it also allows him to use his mid range game,where he is more comfortable,as opposed to trying to stretch his game into a 3 point shooter.(which he's really not)And do you guys remember when wallace got hurt a few years back and j-rich played about 15 games as the starting 3 and just played out of his mind? His points were up.His rebounds were way up.He was strong enough to hold his own with 3's,but also it gave him a clear quickness advantage.I could see something similar happening with henderson and i would actually like to see him in longer stretches @ the 3 to see if it sparks his game.I think it might!

[cltblkhscoach]

I don't think he's strong enough to play it for an extended period of time. I think we could get by in stretches, but most 3's are 6'6 and up. Defensively I think it would hurt us over time. Offensively it would be fine since we want to run.

[westbrook08]

Hendo's is right under 6'5,but he measures longer,and is a very good wing defender.There's not a whole lot of teams that have those huge 3's right now.I forget where it was,but i read a great article last week about how positions are becoming so much more interchangeable in the modern nba,because the guys are stronger and faster.It was a good read.But hendo very solid build and can definitly hold his own in my opinion.But that's why i say i would like to see more of it.What does this team really have to lose by trying different line ups @ this stage?

[SJackson1]

i think Hendo should stay at Shooting Guard becasue he has been improving every year whlst playing in that position. Gordon will help alot coming off the bench and scoring some quick points which will be needed

[BobCatsFanInTx]

We could even throw 31 in. If we land 4 and 24, then flip the Portland pick, the Detroit pick, and 31 to get 14, I would run around the neighborhood naked. So if you're stuck in traffic for some reason during the draft, and you see a tall fat guy streaking down Colony Rd., know that something great has happened.ROFLMAO...You're too funny.

[isguros]

"Sometimes guys need a change of scenery," Cho said. "I don't think his work ethic has wavered. He shot the ball well last year on 3s. He's coming into a good situation and he's excited about the new opportunity."

my thoughts exactly

[Mustachio]

I think starting shooting guard is Henderson's job to lose. And yes, two future protected picks.


I agree. Hendo starts at SG. I think, (meaning I have no idea) they will play Ben Gordon at point quite a bit. I would say put Ben where he was always best... 6th man. He will still get massive minutes here, just like Westbrook does in OKC. Bring him on for Hendo or Kemba whoever needs it the most.

[westbrook08]

i think Hendo should stay at Shooting Guard becasue he has been improving every year whlst playing in that position. Gordon will help alot coming off the bench and scoring some quick points which will be needed

I'm not saying we should not play hendo at shooting guard.What i'm saying is that i would like to see him play the 3 @ least in spots because he has a skill set that can benefit him at that position and i'm just interested to see what him sliding over a little more would do.J-rich played great in the games we had him @3.We'll have extra minutes this year at that spot.I'm just curious from a fan's standpoint.And as much as i like gordon in the 6th man role,i think it's gonna be very hard to keep him off the floor on a team this bad!