Antwan Jamison UFA

[Plowright]

So Jamison said during the season he would love to play in Charlotte and retire there, so after that everyone was like "hell to the yeah lets get Jamison" I was fully on board with this. Jamison is a great pro who is particularly skilled and still finds ways to score without his athleticism. He would be a great mentor for Biz, Mullens and everyone else on the team (+he is a tar heel which you guys and MJ will love).

I read an article in the Observer the other day:http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2012/06/23/3337892/charlotte-bobcats-curtis-polk.html

In this Polk suggests that they are looking to bring some size to the backcourt and he said that they wanted

“A really classy guy who could also be a good teacher and mentor,” Polk described. “And he comes here for two years at $5 million a year. And then we get the (cap) room back after that."

That sounds like a description of Jamison if I have ever heard one, that would be fair from both sides I think, that two years seems about right for him as well. Finally, I have also just found this tweet:

Evan Massey @EMasseyReport

The Charlotte #Bobcats have expressed interest in signing free agent power forward Antawn Jamison, according to source.

So it looks like hopefully we will get what we wanted, Jamison wants to come here, we want him to come here and we have the CAP space to make it happen.

[spectre]

Signing Jamison just makes too much sense. Yeah there's guys like Hickson out there...but remember the "plan".

[dnbman]

Is one of Jamison's interests in playing here to eventually become part of the organization after he retires? I'm glad he wants to come back to play in NC, but I'm wondering what other incentive he has.

[notdeadyet]

Charlotte probably looks a lot better to him than Cleveland... But seriously, classy guy that he is, he is 36, so wouldn't break the bank for him...

[SJackson1]

i think he would be a good signing for us because he brings alot of experience and also alot of overall skill including scoring alot of points.

[WAM9]

Is one of Jamison's interests in playing here to eventually become part of the organization after he retires? I'm glad he wants to come back to play in NC, but I'm wondering what other incentive he has.

When you are not the type of FA that championship teams are looking to bring in as the final piece, then playing in your home town and being around your family on a daily basis, is worth more than anything (I would think).

Jamison signing here is a complete forgone conclusion and I am 100% behind it!

[dnbman]

Jamison signing here is a complete forgone conclusion and I am 100% behind it!

I'm fine with it also, I'm just surprised he can't get a small contract with a contender. Maybe he just doesn't want to go out like that.

To my other question: has there been any talk of him joining the organization after he plays?

[DY_nasty]

I'm fine with it also, I'm just surprised he can't get a small contract with a contender. Maybe he just doesn't want to go out like that.
The thing is he is a terrible player at this point and he already tried the "go to a contender" thing twice and all he did was show that he was a terrible, non-impact player BEFORE his body failed him.

But our goal is to suck. I embrace him.

[Potato]

Nice, he went for 17-7 last year. Only bad thing is I really want Tyrus to get a chance to start and get 32 mpg cuz I think he can be really good.

[SJackson1]

I think Tyrus could do really well for us at PF but i don't think he will score as many points as Jamison and other potential FA

[ND22]

Nice, he went for 17-7 last year. Only bad thing is I really want Tyrus to get a chance to start and get 32 mpg cuz I think he can be really good.

Look, I felt the same way last year and before, but we all have to come to grips that Thomas is a bust and his contract is now along the same lines as Diop's in its inability to be traded. If Tyrus plays 32 mpg this year we would be doing a complete diservice to Biyombo.

Jamison would provide offense in the front court that we desperately need, and would be a very positive influence in the locker room. In other words, the exact opposite of what Thomas brings. Thomas should play because he does have some defensively ability, but Biyombo and Jamison should be ahead of him on the depth chart.

[ammofan]

I really want Tawn here. I've wanted him for a few years. Would be great for out young guys and he's a very solid player still.

[BlockParty]

My biggest concern with all this talk about Jamison coming to the Cats is....public opinion has missed on the last two major decisions (I don't disagree with either of them btw).

Public Majority: We were getting Shaw or Synder as Coach...got Dunlap and surprised everyone (large majority in a favorable way).

Public Majority: We were getting TRob with the #2 pick or trading back to get TRob with a lower pick and another 1st round pick...got MKG with the #2 pick

Public Majority: We will sign Jamison in FA because he's a perfect fit... __________________ not sure which PF we will sign in FA, but we will sign a Big in FA.

[SJackson1]

Jamison would score 17 PPG no doubt and we need that from one of our big men. Henderson is improving year by year and i think he will average over 17 PPG aswell next year

[Felton for Prez]

My biggest concern with all this talk about Jamison coming to the Cats is....public opinion has missed on the last two major decisions (I don't disagree with either of them btw).

Public Majority: We were getting Shaw or Synder as Coach...got Dunlap and surprised everyone (large majority in a favorable way).

Public Majority: We were getting TRob with the #2 pick or trading back to get TRob with a lower pick and another 1st round pick...got MKG with the #2 pick

Public Majority: We will sign Jamison in FA because he's a perfect fit... __________________ not sure which PF we will sign in FA, but we will sign a Big in FA.


Excellent Point. Just because its logical and expected doesn't mean its going to happen.

[ALong13]

I've said it time and time again, I don't think Jamison plays in Charlotte this season, maybe not ever despite what he has said. It makes sense, but when have we really done anything that truly made sense and was expected? I think Jamison would be a great veteran mentor for like Biyombo, but I just don't see it happening.

[CableBoxCat]

Certainly not averse to some veteran leadership on this team. However, I'd like to see some vets that can teach the young guys about "winning." Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe Jamison has only advanced past the 1st Round twice, and never been past the 2nd Round. Is that correct (again, I could be wrong)? One of the reasons I liked the MKG pick is that he's a winner, and we can begin to develop that culture of "winning" around the franchise. That being said, Jamison is a very talented player and I certainly realize "luck" is as much a factor as anything in advancing in the playoffs in a TEAM game. Not knocking him by any means, just pointing out that he's never really been around NBA teams with a great deal of success. If we sign him, I will of course support the signing & player.

[westbrook08]

I think he has plenty left.There were alot of different veterans last year that i heard the media say were finally getting old.What you never really heard them talk about was how playing 3 and 4 nights in a row affects a guy in their mid 30's.I think there are going to be alot of vets that people are writing off that get signed this offseason and bounce back great with a normal schedule and proper rest.

[Hormel]

When does free agency end? I know it's started and free agents can sign where they want, but when does it end and they have to be on a team by?

[TheBeagle]

I really want Tawn here. I've wanted him for a few years. Would be great for out young guys and he's a very solid player still. Same here. What he could do for our young frontcourt as a mentor alone is enough reason for us to sign him...and yeah, he can still put up numbers to boot. Really hope it happens.

[akaseinfeld]

Marc J. Spears ‏@SpearsNBAYahoo
Free agent F Antawn Jamison, an ex-North Carolina star, will be visiting the very interested Charlotte Bobcats Fri and Sat, source tells Y!

[akaseinfeld]

Marc J. Spears ‏@SpearsNBAYahoo
Bobcats intrigued by Jamison's versatile game and that he is a Charlotte native who played at North Carolina. Bobcats could use a local draw

[Black]

Hell yes! We need to make some Providence High throwbacks.

[KembaSlice]

If we can get him and JJ Hickson, I'd say it's a pretty good offseason for us.

[Black]

If we can get him and JJ Hickson, I'd say it's a pretty good offseason for us.

Sign both and amnesty Tyrus, and it's a great offseason.

I can dream, right?

[Scrapper1]

I like Jamison.. he plays hard and averaged 17 pts a game this past season. Hickson would be a real nice addition to the team.. he finished very strong last season and can put the ball on the hoop. Working with MKG would do wonders for him.. would be great to have both. Need big guys in the paint too..but they are still good pieces.

[isguros]

Sign both and amnesty Tyrus, and it's a great offseason. I can dream, right?

I don't know anymore if we should amnesty Tyrus, although his salary is a little high, I really think he will flourish if he can play his normal game under Dunlap's coaching, instead of attempting all those mid-range shots.

[ALong13]

Well he's done more than I expected with us, now we just have to get him in and sign a decent contract. We don't need to go over-the-top, but I don't see him going for the vet minimum either. If this occurs, I think he's definitely a PF for us...Kemba-Henderson-MKG-Jamison-Biyombo...definitely adds some scoring to that lineup

[x2pacalypse]

i don't understand anything about salaries but would it be possible to keep thomas and just amnesty Diop?

[Black]

i don't understand anything about salaries but would it be possible to keep thomas and just amnesty Diop?

Yes, but there's no reason to Amnesty Diop unless we needed the cap space, which we likely won't. It would have made more sense to amnesty him last year, but now that he is an expiring contract, he actually might have some value at the deadline.

[dav7z]

Jamison 2 years at #5 per seems fair for both sides . Really hope he signs . With that line up we would be competive . And the games would much easyer to watch.

[Wolfpackbobcat]

Sign Hickson and Jamison. Amnesty TT. TT just doesn't have a professional players mentality. Have you read his twitter?! Jamison will mentor Hickson and our other young guns, then retire in a year. Total win.

[Wolfpackbobcat]

Also id rather have a starting lineup of Walker/Henderson/Gilchrist/Hickson/Biyombo. Keep Jamison on the bench. Mentoring without taking our young guns minutes.

[Mustachio]

Sign Hickson and Jamison. Amnesty TT. TT just doesn't have a professional players mentality. Have you read his twitter?! Jamison will mentor Hickson and our other young guns, then retire in a year. Total win.


Amnesty makes absolutely zero sense for the Bobcats. Zero. its not an option. I'd rather resign White than sign JJ Hickson as well. Bring on Jamison.

[dnbman]

Sign Hickson and Jamison. Amnesty TT. TT just doesn't have a professional players mentality. Have you read his twitter?! Jamison will mentor Hickson and our other young guns, then retire in a year. Total win.

What's TT's official Twitter?

Also, We'd drop $25M down the drain by amnestying him now. It would be better to try and do something with him at least one more year than drop him now, especially since there's no significant FA target that we need to make room for.

[Black]

Sam Amico: Lakers also expected to meet with Antawn Jamison, probably early next week. Before you ask, he could put off Bobcats for year or two. Twitter

I'm sure the Lakers will be really tempting for him. Hopefully we can still get him to sign this year.

[ALong13]

As much as I'd like to see him here at the PF position and as a mentor, I just don't see him signing here, not at this point anyway. Wouldn't be surprised to see him join the Lakers for vet minimum or below instead of here for 5-7M. Really think he knows we'll come calling if he's still wants to play 2-3 years from now, just not his time to come home yet. Plus maybe he's hoping in 2-3 years we are at least contending for playoffs and he could be a piece to get us over a hump...

Just don't see it happening guys...

[westbrook08]

Dude,he's 36 and will turn 37 during the season.He could wait 2-3 years from now? Um,no.If he's coming home ever,then he'll be a bobcat by this weekend.Time is rapidly becoming his enemy.And with the fractured relationship of gasol and kupcheck,meta and kobe getting older,and the rise of the thunder,i think the only thing he gets from L.A. is a playoff appearance.They're not winning another title for @ least 5 years.They need to rebuild.He's coming home!

[Plowright]

I don't know anymore if we should amnesty Tyrus, although his salary is a little high, I really think he will flourish if he can play his normal game under Dunlap's coaching, instead of attempting all those mid-range shots.

Mid range shots are Tyrus's game... that is all he has ever done. He doesnt have 3 point range, his handles are really bad and dont give him the ability to drive at the basket and he is too small that he gets boshed around down low. He is not an offensively skilled player

[Plowright]

What's TT's official Twitter?

Also, We'd drop $25M down the drain by amnestying him now. It would be better to try and do something with him at least one more year than drop him now, especially since there's no significant FA target that we need to make room for.

The NBA amnesty rule states:techincaly you do not save any money, it just doesn't count against the Salary CAP. We would still have to pay him, so right now with our current CAP situation where we have a small number of contracts and we need to make the minimum CAP level next year amnestying Tyrus is fairly pointless as we would have to pay him anyway and its not like we are going to be able to attract any big names here until we improve a little bit. If a deal came along or an opportunity to sign someone special and we need the CAP space then we can amnesty him, but no point doing it now with nothing in place

[Plowright]

As much as I'd like to see him here at the PF position and as a mentor, I just don't see him signing here, not at this point anyway. Wouldn't be surprised to see him join the Lakers for vet minimum or below instead of here for 5-7M. Really think he knows we'll come calling if he's still wants to play 2-3 years from now, just not his time to come home yet. Plus maybe he's hoping in 2-3 years we are at least contending for playoffs and he could be a piece to get us over a hump...

Just don't see it happening guys...

Jamison says it is a dream to be able to go back to his kids (2 & 6 years old) after a day of work, to see them grow up, to have them come to the game with him. I know there are a lot of selfish sportsmen out there who just want money and to win but Jamison is 36 now. He has earned big bucks, maybe he doesnt have that drive to win like some players do, maybe he sees his family as more important and doesnt want to miss his kids grow up? Jamison is a nice guy, thats what everyone says, he is too nice. I am not saying you are wrong but just saying. 2-3 years of a childs life is a long time, also maybe he doesnt want to go play another 5-6 seasons like your suggesting. I think there is every possibility he will sign here

[WAM9]

Jamison says it is a dream to be able to go back to his kids (2 & 6 years old) after a day of work, to see them grow up, to have them come to the game with him. I know there are a lot of selfish sportsmen out there who just want money and to win but Jamison is 36 now. He has earned big bucks, maybe he doesnt have that drive to win like some players do, maybe he sees his family as more important and doesnt want to miss his kids grow up? Jamison is a nice guy, thats what everyone says, he is too nice. I am not saying you are wrong but just saying. 2-3 years of a childs life is a long time, also maybe he doesnt want to go play another 5-6 seasons like your suggesting. I think there is every possibility he will sign here

Exactly.

Guys, when I played ball, it was my #1 priority and there was nothing in the world that would stop me from trying to win at basically all costs.

Now, I am married, have 2 kids, and by all accounts, have an amazing life. My family and kids are absolutely everything to me and I can't imagine being away from them on a dialy basis for "a couple of more years".

Jamison's entire family lives in Charlotte. His family lives in a huge custom built house in Charlotte. He is the only one missing from all the family stuff.

Now, he has the option of "coming home" and getting to wake up next to his wife and kiss his kids goodnight. He gets to drive the 6 year old to school and everything else you can think of. He already missed a lot of his 6 year old growing up, I bet he doesn't want to do that again. 2 is a really fun age!

Maybe I am just spoiled but to me, those things are worth more, far more than going to play for the Lakers to chase a title.

Mark my words, Jamison will be in a Bobcats uniform this season for sure!

[amour217]

Exactly.

Guys, when I played ball, it was my #1 priority and there was nothing in the world that would stop me from trying to win at basically all costs.

Now, I am married, have 2 kids, and by all accounts, have an amazing life. My family and kids are absolutely everything to me and I can't imagine being away from them on a dialy basis for "a couple of more years".

Jamison's entire family lives in Charlotte. His family lives in a huge custom built house in Charlotte. He is the only one missing from all the family stuff.

Now, he has the option of "coming home" and getting to wake up next to his wife and kiss his kids goodnight. He gets to drive the 6 year old to school and everything else you can think of. He already missed a lot of his 6 year old growing up, I bet he doesn't want to do that again. 2 is a really fun age!

Maybe I am just spoiled but to me, those things are worth more, far more than going to play for the Lakers to chase a title.

Mark my words, Jamison will be in a Bobcats uniform this season for sure!

Couldn't have said it better myself. To me, being a Dad trumps pretty much anything else. I'm sure that if Jamison were to go to, say, the Lakers and win a ring, he'd leave behind a pretty good legacy with a championship. The thing is, there's plenty of other ways to leave a legacy that aren't so attention-grabbing: he could come to the 'Cats to be an important mentor to the young ones on our team. Imagine a future star saying that Antawn Jamison played a huge role in his success...that's pretty freakin' flattering. And, as mentioned before, there's no bigger legacy you could leave behind than the impact you have on your kids' lives.

Antawn Jamison is such a great part of this community, and having him play here will make an even bigger impact. I know he personally donates money to the Police Department's Christmas Project, which provides Christmas presents and food to needy families all around the city. That's HUGE...and actually having him here while he does these kinds of things will give the Bobcats a very strong, and needed, image boost.

[Adam42R]

Exactly.
Now, he has the option of "coming home" and getting to wake up next to his wife and kiss his kids goodnight. He gets to drive the 6 year old to school and everything else you can think of. He already missed a lot of his 6 year old growing up, I bet he doesn't want to do that again. 2 is a really fun age!


Totally echo this (in bold). I used to race a significant amount - up to 17 race weekends a year. Now, with a wife but especially a young son (your wife might travel with you but packing up 400 sq/ft of toys and stroller and playpen .... not so easily done), I have so little desire to be away from them for any period of time. To me, your comments totally resonate as the driving reasons to make (professional or otherwise) life choices at his age.

[westbrook08]

I have zero doubt that jamison will be a bobcat in the next few days.I was actually just looking @ this thread to see if we had signed him yet today.He wants to be here for sure.

[SJackson1]

quality player and will score plenty of points for us next season (if he signs).

[polarcat]

Agree with ya WAM.... can't really see why he wouldn't sign here as long as we don't give him an insulting contract offer. Played HS ball @ Providence, tons of family in the QC, and he's already on record as saying that he's intrigued about playing for the Cats. Now, I wonder where they are right now out for dinner in Charlotte? Surely not Chima.... though he, Jordan and Cam can go out for a night on the town afterwards. :)

[ND22]

Per Marc Spears:


@SpearsNBAYahoo
CLE free agent F Antawn Jamison had a good dinner meeting in his hometown of Charlotte with Bobcats execs Rod Higgins and Rich Cho tonight.

Sources indicate Cho bought desert, and that Higgins finished Jamison's salad.

[polarcat]

Per Marc Spears:



Sources indicate Cho bought desert, and that Higgins finished Jamison's salad.



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Seriously, who's his Spears' "source".... the waiter at Del Frisco's? I'm happy with Jamison having a good dinner because I want him here, but a pretty silly tweet nonetheless.

[CamoAmmo35]

I hope Jamison finishes his career in NC. I'm guessing he will

[mrtarheel]

What's the hold up here, can we get a deal done please!

[LiquidWayno]

Would love Jamison & Hickson here, but according to my friend with Cavs info they have bad blood. Anyone else heard that?

[Black]

Thursday’s dinner meeting went so well that the Charlotte Bobcats tried to sign Antawn Jamison “over dessert.’’

That didn’t quite happen. Jamison told Bobcats executives Rod Higgins and Rich Cho to contact his agent, Arn Tellem. But the intent of the meeting – selling Jamison on the idea of finishing his career as a veteran presence here – resonated with its target.


http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2012/07/06/3366637/kids-homecoming-may-draw-antawn.html

Please get it done.

[spectre]

Mid July?

We'll have to make a decision on Brand before then.

[Scottley Crue]

Mid July?

We'll have to make a decision on Brand before then.

Since there's plenty of interest on both sides, I wonder if Jamison either won't make that decision a little earlier than that or if he can give the 'Cats a heads up around the 11th. Either way, I'm sure they'll bid for Brand just to be safe.

[WAM9]

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2012/07/06/3366637/kids-homecoming-may-draw-antawn.html

Please get it done.

This article completely confirms what I thought would go on. I have no doubt more than ever that he will sign with the Cats.

[BrotherDave]

He sucks. Too small to play PF, can't defend, poor rebounder. Every team with a big man is going to light us up for 25 and 15 en route to an easy W.

[SJackson1]

its just a matter of time before he signs

[TheBeagle]

This article completely confirms what I thought would go on. I have no doubt more than ever that he will sign with the Cats.
Hmmm. I don't know. He seems much more conflicted than I thought he'd be. All the pros of signing here sound like him trying to convince himself it's the right thing to do but the longer it goes on shows he's still not sold on the idea, despite all the reasons to do so, and the enthusiasm of the Cats FO to have him here.

Hope he signs here very badly, but I'm thinking it's a coin flip.

[Black]

It all depends on his priorities. If he wants playing time, a better deal, and to be around his kids, he'll pick Charlotte. If he wants to take less money, and a smaller role in order to have a chance at a ring, he'll sign elsewhere.

[Jennings]

I think it's pretty much a lock he signs. I think he's too good of guy to come out publicly and say he's choosing between a ring and his family, and not choose his family. That's just my opinion.

[WAM9]

Hmmm. I don't know. He seems much more conflicted than I thought he'd be. All the pros of signing here sound like him trying to convince himself it's the right thing to do but the longer it goes on shows he's still not sold on the idea, despite all the reasons to do so, and the enthusiasm of the Cats FO to have him here.

Hope he signs here very badly, but I'm thinking it's a coin flip.

I think that he should absolutely enjoy free agency. Let a few teams court you and tell you how much they want you while you are weighing your options. Being an unrestricted free agent for solid players doesn't really happen often in a career (sometimes never).

Based on the specific quotes I have read from him about his family, I feel his family will win and ultimately, that means we do as well.

[Plowright]

You wont be saying that when he goes to LA...

[westbrook08]

I still think we're the front runners but i'm more nervous than i was.Now that the lakers have nash and are going to keep gasol,they seem more willing to part with bynum.The proposed deal i've seen is bynum and meta for howard and j-rich.That would give jamison a chance to possibly come in and start @ sf.And the fact that gasol can play 4 or 5,jamison plays 3 and 4,and kobe and j-rich can play either wing position can make them a much better team if it went down.And grant hill might go there cheap too.They could potentially have a shot at another title in more than just words.I think he ultimately wants to come home.And i hope he does.But who knows.

[Keetch]

Maybe he's going to see what (if any) other offers are out there to test his value before signing with the Cats.

[kitch0202]

I think it's pretty much a lock he signs. I think he's too good of guy to come out publicly and say he's choosing between a ring and his family, and not choose his family. That's just my opinion.

Exactly my take on this too. Surely you can't go on about how important your kids are, how much you want to spend time with etc. and then come out and say 'you know what, I'm going to play on the west coast and chase a ring' ... if that is how it plays out then he's not the sort of Man I'd want mentoring our young players.

[WAM9]

I still think we're the front runners but i'm more nervous than i was.Now that the lakers have nash and are going to keep gasol,they seem more willing to part with bynum.The proposed deal i've seen is bynum and meta for howard and j-rich.That would give jamison a chance to possibly come in and start @ sf.And the fact that gasol can play 4 or 5,jamison plays 3 and 4,and kobe and j-rich can play either wing position can make them a much better team if it went down.And grant hill might go there cheap too.They could potentially have a shot at another title in more than just words.I think he ultimately wants to come home.And i hope he does.But who knows.

Jamison is definitely not a 3 at this point in his career. Hill would probably be a much better fit for LA in that role.

[dnbman]

Maybe he's going to see what (if any) other offers are out there to test his value before signing with the Cats.

Get real!

Yeah. Nothing's official until the 11th anyway. Plus, we need to see how this Brand situation shakes down.

[BrotherDave]

Jamison is definitely not a 3 at this point in his career. Hill would probably be a much better fit for LA in that role.

Well he's definitely not a 4 either. He hasn't played in the post since UNC. This guy has drifted from crappy team to crappy team, floating about the perimeter and chucking his whole career.

[polarcat]

Well he's definitely not a 4 either. He hasn't played in the post since UNC. This guy has drifted from crappy team to crappy team, floating about the perimeter and chucking his whole career.

He might not be a true 4, but I'll take Jamison's 17/9 at our 4 position this coming season. Is it really his fault that he's been on garbage teams his entire career? There are others out there that I will be just as happy with, but we could use Jamison's non-box score attributes to help with this young roster.

[captaincrunk]

Well he's definitely not a 4 either. He hasn't played in the post since UNC. This guy has drifted from crappy team to crappy team, floating about the perimeter and chucking his whole career.

He didn't go to a crappy team when he went to the Cavs.

[spectre]

It's not we'd be looking for the final piece bringing Antawn in. We have other needs as well.

[BrotherDave]

He didn't go to a crappy team when he went to the Cavs.

That team instantly became crappy b/c LeBron left pretty much right after he got there. LeBron left Cleveland b/c their idea of surrounding him with "talent" was Mo Williams and Jamison.

[BrotherDave]

He might not be a true 4, but I'll take Jamison's 17/9 at our 4 position this coming season. Is it really his fault that he's been on garbage teams his entire career? There are others out there that I will be just as happy with, but we could use Jamison's non-box score attributes to help with this young roster.
Lol, 9 rebounds? That's wishful thinking. I won't mind Jamison but he'd better be really cheap, vet's minimum.

[captaincrunk]

That team instantly became crappy b/c LeBron left pretty much right after he got there. LeBron left Cleveland b/c their idea of surrounding him with "talent" was Mo Williams and Jamison.

Your point? OH wait, there is none with you anymore. There hasn't been since June.

[BrotherDave]

Your point? OH wait, there is none with you anymore. There hasn't been since June.

Why 'allo pot, meet kettle.



BroD:<----------:[your ad here]

[captaincrunk]

Why 'allo pot, meet kettle.



BroD:<----------:[your ad here]
you're like the opposite of stun, except equally boring

[BrotherDave]

you're like the opposite of stun, except equally boring

I'm sorry, what? I couldn't hear you over that roaring haboob emanating from your feminine parts.

Yuk, yuk, yuk.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-sO9FVy-iLrs/ToGOdnYYn6I/AAAAAAAAACI/7wRqma4DlAE/s220/groucho.jpg

So, do you have anything interesting to post concerning Jamison or are you just insulting people to secure another forum ban?

[captaincrunk]

So, do you have anything interesting to post concerning Jamison or are you just insulting people to secure another forum ban?

as if this post wasn't meant to be insulting

[SWedd523]

First and last warning guys. No need for any of the shenanigans. Exchange facebooks and take it there

[dav7z]

First and last warning guys. No need for any of the shenanigans. Exchange facebooks and take it there
Thanks SWeed523 you the man .

[captaincrunk]

Thanks SWeed523 you the man .
lol





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[JamieMcNeill]

Thanks SWeed523 you the man .

Oh no he did NOT use the double E! Everyone take cover!

[BrotherDave]

First and last warning guys. No need for any of the shenanigans. Exchange facebooks and take it there

But I don't like facebook. :sad face smiley: And my shenanigans are cheeky and fun, his shenanigans are cruel and tragic.

[captaincrunk]

But I don't like facebook. :sad face smiley: And my shenanigans are cheeky and fun, his shenanigans are cruel and tragic.

I left you a facebook comment about how your posts are becoming purely negative and no one cares anymore

[BrotherDave]

I left you a facebook comment about how your posts are becoming purely negative and no one cares anymore

http://i.qkme.me/355dvh.jpg

[Ghost Kat]

I was waiting on posting to see if Jamison was going to get picked up before I released my hate. I'm not a fan of his and if this is the best we can do then so be it. I guess it's better to have a PF that doesn't get into fist fights with his coaches.

[ohara831]

Jamison is about a week away from his decision. If we get in on the Orlando deal and get Humphries, no Jamison in Charlotte. And I'd be fine with that scenario.

[captaincrunk]

humphries isn't exactly a rookie either so I'd be okay with it as welll

[BrotherDave]

Jamison is about a week away from his decision. If we get in on the Orlando deal and get Humphries, no Jamison in Charlotte. And I'd be fine with that scenario.

If we amnestied Diop or Carroll, would we have enough money for both? I wouldn't mind Jamison and HumphriesoranydecentreboundingPF. It's just the thought of relying on Jamison alone as our stopgap at the PF spot that scares me to death.

[spectre]

We're around 48 million with MKG and no DJ QO...9 players. 10 million to work with so we could fit both without amnestying anyone so long as they stay below that combined. Theoretically we could then S&T DJ for a TE and then use that to get a couple of low tier guys. We'd also have the vet min to help fill out the roster.

We could also sign those 2, add vet min guys and then have DJ accept his QO. There's still a 12 million cushion before we hit the LT (which I doubt seriously we get anywhere close).

One thing I've noticed watching the other teams this offseason there's a lot of options.

[Plowright]

Marc J. Spears @SpearsNBAYahoo

Cavs have had talks on possible sign&trade sending Antawn Jamison to Nets,sources tell Y! Lakers can only offer minimum. GS & CHA in mix too


Nothing to worry about, I am sure they have held talks about it but nothing sounds imminent, if anything that news sounds a week late or so

[akaseinfeld]

Geez....hasn't Brooklyn already committed like $285M in contracts this offseason?

[polarcat]

I'm really confused and thought maybe I was just misreading articles between RFA's and UFA's, but now I've gotta stop and ask. I've never noticed in years past that a UFA had his rights traded to another team. I thought if you were a UFA, any team could sign you outright with no return compensation to your previous team (i.e - we sign Jamison, rather than trade Corey Higgins to Cle for Jamison's rights). Was there a new wrinkle added over the stoppage that I missed the memo on? I know RFA's require compensation, but all of these "rights to so-and-so" have been traded keep happening this offseason. Again, I apologize if this was common knowledge, but I'm gonna need some clarification....haha.

[JGib23]

Quick and dirty

UFA can sign with anyone with cap room or an available exception. You are seeing trades because the Free agent wants to play in a particular place & the old team prefers getting compensation for him leaving.

For example, The Lakers couldn't afford Nash (UFA) so they talked PHX into a S&T for draft picks. PHX does it because if they don't, Nash signs somewhere else and they get nothing.

[BlockParty]

As expected..after most of the bigger names have settled, it's time for the next tier of players to be courted.

@rick_bonnell
Antawn Jamison options include Lakers vet-minimum and a sign-and-trade from Cavs-to-Nets. #Bobcats have plenty of competition.

[Scrapper1]

I say "F" it.. he is not worth all this. Who does Antwan Jamison think he is, Lebron or something?I wouldn't be sitting around for no damn week waiting for him to decide. This team needs to get out of that "kiss butt" logic and let these half assed players go if they playing games. The hell with him. MJ need to start throwing his weight around... you are Michael F'in Jordan, these team owners and GM's are starstruck by your presence. I know MJ can talk teams into deals that will work in his advantage or talk players into coming here..hell, he probably influenced them into playing ball in the first place. Lets go..

[Black]

I say "F" it.. he is not worth all this. Who does Antwan Jamison think he is, Lebron or something?I wouldn't be sitting around for no damn week waiting for him to decide. This team needs to get out of that "kiss butt" logic and let these half assed players go if they playing games. The hell with him. MJ need to start throwing his weight around... you are Michael F'in Jordan, these team owners and GM's are starstruck by your presence. I know MJ can talk teams into deals that will work in his advantage or talk players into coming here..hell, he probably influenced them into playing ball in the first place. Lets go..

Jamison is entitled to take all the time he needs.

[SWedd523]

I say "F" it.. he is not worth all this. Who does Antwan Jamison think he is, Lebron or something?I wouldn't be sitting around for no damn week waiting for him to decide. This team needs to get out of that "kiss butt" logic and let these half assed players go if they playing games. The hell with him. MJ need to start throwing his weight around... you are Michael F'in Jordan, these team owners and GM's are starstruck by your presence. I know MJ can talk teams into deals that will work in his advantage or talk players into coming here..hell, he probably influenced them into playing ball in the first place. Lets go..

What makes you think they're sitting here waiting on him? They went to dinner, offered a contract, and that's all we've heard about as far as our involvement goes. They obviously aren't tied up in him if they're in trade talks for Humphries or Lopez, just signed a new PG, and are in possible negotiations with Indy to trade for a PF, while contemplating an offer for Haywood.

They've been incredibly busy this offseason, certainly haven't halted all activity just for him.

[ND22]

I say "F" it.. he is not worth all this. Who does Antwan Jamison think he is, Lebron or something?I wouldn't be sitting around for no damn week waiting for him to decide. This team needs to get out of that "kiss butt" logic and let these half assed players go if they playing games. The hell with him. MJ need to start throwing his weight around... you are Michael F'in Jordan, these team owners and GM's are starstruck by your presence. I know MJ can talk teams into deals that will work in his advantage or talk players into coming here..hell, he probably influenced them into playing ball in the first place. Lets go..

When the time comes and you have to make a really important business decision, one that involves seeing your family everyday or sacrificing time with them to pursue higher career goals, you'll understand Jamison's position.

[Scrapper1]

When the time comes and you have to make a really important business decision, one that involves seeing your family everyday or sacrificing time with them to pursue higher career goals, you'll understand Jamison's position.

How do you know i already haven't? Relax.

Guys,just saying.. its some good pieces getting picked up and while i understand the family thing,which all players face these choices.. Just seemed like they are frozen while waiting. I think hes a decent addition but damn..

[ND22]

How do you know i already haven't? Relax.

Guys,just saying.. its some good pieces getting picked up and while i understand the family thing,which all players face these choices.. Just seemed like they are frozen while waiting. I think hes a decent addition but damn..

My post was meant for you to relax...but I digress.

We haven't been standing around waiting, I'd imagine if Brook Lopez had signed with us the likelihood of Jamison signing as would have dropped.

There aren't many other reliable options out there, another option would be Elton Brand, but he reportedly wants to play for Dallas. Waiting a couple more days for Jamison's choice won't force us to miss out on somebody else, because its likely our back up options to Jamison will still be available.

[westbrook08]

Jamison said from the first time that they sat down that he was going to choose a team around the middle of july.He has a 3 day basketball camp going on right now in indian trails and he will make a decision shortly after that.This is not a new development.And to counter your argument i would say that a guy who averaged 17.2 points a game last year,is from here,wants to be here,is loved by the fans,fills a giant position of need,will be a perfect mentor for or young guys,and who will sign a short reasonable contract IS worth all the fuss when your coming off a 7-59 season.

[SWedd523]

Guys,just saying.. its some good pieces getting picked up and while i understand the family thing,which all players face these choices.. Just seemed like they are frozen while waiting. I think hes a decent addition but damn..
And they pretty clearly haven't been.


Dragic
Lopez
Humphries
Hansbrough (briefly)
Haywood
Sessions


And those are just the guys we know about

[notdeadyet]

I'd take Jamison over Scola or Landry, who've both had a history of injury issues. Jamison looks like he really keeps in shape. I would really like Humphries, but doubt he leaves the Nets.
HOPE they'll be watching last night's game, and realize this is a WHOLE different team from last season. Our guys were workin' hard but havin' some serious FUN last night!!
IMO, Humphries would fit this style PERFECTLY...

[ammofan]

I'd take Jamison over Scola or Landry, who've both had a history of injury issues. Jamison looks like he really keeps in shape. I would really like Humphries, but doubt he leaves the Nets.
HOPE they'll be watching last night's game, and realize this is a WHOLE different team from last season. Our guys were workin' hard but havin' some serious FUN last night!!
IMO, Humphries would fit this style PERFECTLY...


I agree. Humphries would be the perfect big man in that lineup.

[notdeadyet]

A team of Walker, Taylor, MKG, Humphries, and Biyombo would be FUN to watch as they could run ANY team into the hardwood. C'mon, Kris, you need to get outa NJ/NY!!

[spectre]

The last rumor I read had the Nets offering Hump 2/20 or 3/26. I don't see us beating that.

Scola, Jamison, Landry...we need one of those guys to get a full roster. Really I'm good with any of them.

[Hormel]

The last rumor I read had the Nets offering Hump 2/20 or 3/26. I don't see us beating that.

Scola, Jamison, Landry...we need one of those guys to get a full roster. Really I'm good with any of them.

Ugh, I just have a hard time trying to get myself excited about bringing in Scola, I just don't like him as a player , and don't like the way he plays. I will say he is a good player, I just don't enjoy the way he plays the game. C'mon Jamison or Landry

[TheBeagle]

Down to Antawn and Landry, as Scola just got picked up by PHX. http://arizonasports.com/41/1559504/Phoenix-Suns-land-Luis-Scola-waive-Josh-Childress




Still prefer Antawn, but Landry is a good get too.

[ND22]

At this point I want Antwan over Landry. Neither are long term options, but Jamison has stayed healthier and is a better low post scorer, even if he is older.

[SJackson1]

Jamison is the much better option

[BubbaGolf]

To me Jamison does not make sense for the Bobcats unless he signed for $3 million or less for 3 years or less. The Bobcats will not make the playoffs even if they add Jamison and all he will do is prevent the Bobcats from getting a HUGE asset (i.e., the #1 or #2 Pick in the 2013 Draft). The way the Bobcats are currently constructed they will already be much more competitive and as far as I am concerned that's all we should want. The wins will come in the future if the Bobcats keep open cap space and can acquire another Top 2 player in next year's draft.

[Black]

Rick Bonnell ‏@rick_bonnell
Brendan Haywood has been put to work recruiting Antawn Jamison to #Bobcats. Still waiting.

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[Scottley Crue]

I think Humphries need to sign first (wherever that is) before Jamison makes his decision. That will (somewhat) set a market value for Jamison and also take away a landing spot for him.

If he's thinking contenders, the Lakers are probably the one that would give him the best shot at a title while also making the most use of him. Thing is, all they can offer is the vet minimum. The closer-to-home options in that category are probably the Heat and Nets, but the Heat signed Rashard Lewis and the Nets are presumably signing Humphries. So I wouldn't be surprised if he's debating taking less money for a shot at a ring (all the way across the country) or staying home and making considerably more while enjoying his family. It's a tough choice. I'd like to think the 'Cats can win out, but we will see.

[westbrook08]

well tomorrow is the deadline to amnesty players.So if there's even a chance that we might have to clear some cap room to sign him then he better make a decision by midnight tomorrow.And before anyone says it.No, we do not have a mid-level or mini mid-level exception.You don't get those when you start out under the cap.

[dnbman]

Need to get a little something off my chest:

If we sign Antawn Jamison, I'm calling him An-Ton, as that's how he spells his name. And if he doesn't like it, I'm going with Cortez.

This whole An-Twan thing is out of control.

[SWedd523]

always hated people calling him antwan (look at the thread title)

[Plowright]

always hated people calling him antwan (look at the thread title)

My bad............

[Adam42R]

Rick Bonnell ‏@rick_bonnell
A source tells me Antawn Jamison will be a Laker.

[ohara831]

Looks like Landry time.

[dnbman]

always hated people calling him antwan (look at the thread title)

But that's apparently how he pronounces his name!

[Plowright]

Dam... there goes Jamison.... I really thought we would get him, this sucks. Doesn't look like we will get Landry either:

http://www.hoopsworld.com/carl-landry-weighing-free-agency-options

In this interview Landry says "“I definitely want to win,” Landry said. “I want to play for a team that wants to go to the playoffs. That’s my goal when I’m on a team: to go to the playoffs, try to go as far as I can and hopefully win a championship.”

That was on Sunday... it doesn't sound like he would want to come here...


HOWEVER...

David Aldridge ‏@daldridgetnt
Source confirms "strong interest" by Jamison in Lakers, says deal not done. Charlotte Observer says Jamison "will" be a Laker, per source.

[westbrook08]

Rick Bonnell ‏@rick_bonnell
A source tells me Antawn Jamison will be a Laker.

I hope the source is wrong,but jamison is a classy guy and has earned the right to make his own decision.I actually say re sign dj white for cheap and pass on landry.White was actually pretty productive in limited minutes last year and would probably play for the minimum.I hear tyrus has really been working hard and mullens already looks to be much improved from what i can tell this year.I say keep the 3 pf's we had last year and find out what we have so we know whether or not we need to amnesty tyrus next year.Because by then we're probably gonna be ready to spend some cash and may need the extra 18 million over the last 2 years of that deal freed up.

[dnbman]

Dam... there goes Jamison.... I really thought we would get him, this sucks. Doesn't look like we will get Landry either:

http://www.hoopsworld.com/carl-landry-weighing-free-agency-options

In this interview Landry says "“I definitely want to win,” Landry said. “I want to play for a team that wants to go to the playoffs. That’s my goal when I’m on a team: to go to the playoffs, try to go as far as I can and hopefully win a championship.”

That was on Sunday... it doesn't sound like he would want to come here...


HOWEVER...

David Aldridge ‏@daldridgetnt
Source confirms "strong interest" by Jamison in Lakers, says deal not done. Charlotte Observer says Jamison "will" be a Laker, per source.

On the radio just now, Bonnell said he had been texting with Jamison, so I'm guessing he's getting his info from the proverbial horse's mouth.

But who knows.

I'll be the Lakers weren't even serious competition against us until they got Nash. Too bad we couldn't have gotten him before then. That being said, not remotely a make or break move. We can survive.

[Adam42R]

On the radio just now, Bonnell said he had been texting with Jamison, so I'm guessing he's getting his info from the proverbial horse's mouth.

But who knows.

My thought too - he just broke it on the Charlotte Observer that it's a done deal (in more words) - Jamison is going to be a Laker.

http://blogs.charlotte.com/inside_the_nba/2012/07/antawn-jamison-chooses-lakers-over-bobcats.html

[Black]

God damnit.

[TheBeagle]

Not surprised at all. Like I mentioned earlier in the thread, the longer this went on and the quotes he was giving it seemed like he was trying to talk himself into signing here because it was the "right" thing to do but not something he really wanted to do.

Disappointing, but like dnb says, not a "make or break".

[Bobcat4Ever]

Honestly, who can blame him? Best decision for him, imo.

[akaseinfeld]

Marc J. Spears ‏@SpearsNBAYahoo (https://twitter.com/SpearsNBAYahoo) Free agent Antawn Jamison to talk to @Lakers (https://twitter.com/Lakers) Tuesday, source said. Vet forward excited to play with Kobe & Nash, but still awaiting offer.

[BrotherDave]

Praise to Allah.

[ohara831]

And so much for thinking playing in his hometown would mean something to Jamison. Alot of people thought it was a sure thing he would be a Bobcat.

[BlockParty]

Not having him will cost a couple wins this year, but those minutes will go to one of the younger guys...which will help us more in years to come.

Things happen for a reason! I'll let you know in a year what the reason is on this transaction.

[westbrook08]

I don't think he was being dishonest.I think he truly did want to play here but after they acquired nash things changed and i guess he just felt that if he had a chance to win a title and didn't take the opportunity that he would always regret it.Who can blame him?Who knows,maybe he only signs a one year deal.I doubt it's more than 2.I just look at it this way.With the way mullens as looked so far and all the reports of tyrus working hard, i'm more than fine with letting those guys play and re-examining the field next year.We're gonna be better but we're not making the playoffs this year and i would hate to miss out on noel or muhammed just because jamison was here.I mean, he averaged 17.2 last year, he can probably still come here in a year or 2 and finish his career.He won't anything left @ that point as a player but he might get a few minutes a game and it will be a nice ending and hopefully he'll work with the organization in some capacity after that.He's a class guy and i hope he get's his ring,even though i hate the lakers! lol.

[Twan's Kin]

Looks like Landry time.

Looks like Ronny Turiaf time.

[QC Thundercats]

Well I guess the saga may be over if Jamison is going to the dark side, but just for future reference to help enlighten those who aren't in the know regarding his name:


For thirty years now Antawn Jamison has lived with the spelling of his first name as "Antawn" and the pronunciation of it as "An-TWAN." The former Tar Heel star and current NBA star of the Washington Wizards will continue to do so.

Jamison's parents intended his name to be spelled and pronounced "Antwan" when he was born, but the hospital typed it incorrectly as 'Antawn' on the birth certificate back on June 12, 1976. The error went unchanged leading to confusion since the name went on being pronounced "An-TWAN" by his parents.

"The hospital made a mistake on the birth certificate and they just left it alone," Jamison told the Times. "They just never dealt with it."

According to the article, Jamison is often teased about the spelling of his name in opposing arenas being called "An-TAWN" as his name appears and is pronounced phonetically. Although the worst use of lettering for the pronunciation "Antwan" goes to Antowain Smith. Really? A silent O? And "ai" is pronounced as "aye," Mr. and Mrs. Smith.

[westbrook08]

It's usually just nba fans that mispronounce it.Most acc and carolina fans have known this for years,but thanks for the article.

[Scottley Crue]

I would have liked to have seen Jamison come here, but it's not the end of the world that he didn't. Between Sessions, Gordon & Haywood, there's a nice vet presence here already. Nabbing Landry now would be nice get, but this may also just give Tyrus one final chance to prove himself in a system that looks to fit him well. We'll see what happens...a sudden Diop amnesty would signal someone coming aboard, I believe.

[cltblkhscoach]

I really wanted him here honestly. But the article in the Observer should have never been done if he was this indecisive. That's an article that should have been done after he signed here in my opinion. Maybe I just hate the Lakers, lol, but it always seems when it's the big markets vs. the small markets, the big ones always win, and all they're paying is the vet. minimum, and we could have offered a lot more. Garbage.

[Talent]

I hate the Lakers otherwise I'd hope he would win a ring next year. The ring is the pinnacle of basketball career I don't blame him at all for going for it.

[TheDorkLord]

Just one more reason for me to hate the Lakers! Oh well, it had to be tough to turn down. I guess we have to put ourselves in his shoes and think what would we do. BUT THE LAKERS!! Damn

[westbrook08]

I've been thinking about this all night and i don't think antawn even made the decision.I think he more or less let his family do it.The way he's talked since the end of the season about wanting to come home and see his family everyday and play near home makes me think that if they were pushing him even a little bit that he would have signed here.I think at the end of the day they told him they loved him and that they would be here when got back and to go win a ring.I could be wrong but that's how it feels from the situation.

[x2pacalypse]

well clearly antawn jamison hates children and wants a divorce

[ALong13]

I've said it all along that I thought Jamison to Charlotte rumors were overinflated. I wouldn't be shocked if he never played as a Bobcat, and quite frankly I wasn't too excited about him as a player, only as a mentor. Man has had a good career, but as we know people still have to score on bad teams, I'd be shocked if he scored more than 7 ppg off the bench for LAL. Good Luck Antawn, would have been a good mentor with a chance to come home, but guess that ring > family to you.

[superb1]

Good for Jamison. Saga is over. I agree, the rumors were probably over-inflated. But it funny how he talked of coming home but if his desire was to chase a ring, there were options on the East Coast. He ran all the way to LA, far from his family.


At least we were in his final choices. http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/features/rumors

It came down to Los Angeles or Charlotte and on Monday veteran forward Antawn Jamison decided to sign with the Lakers, reports Rick Bonnell of The Charlotte Observer.

Jamison chose the Lakers over his hometown Bobcats because he will have a chance to contend for a title, a source told Bonnell.

The Lakers can only sign Jamison to the $3.09 million taxpayer mid-level exception or the veteran minimum. The Lakers also have interest in Grant Hill, but Hill may look elsewhere if Jamison gets the exception.

According to Bonnell, Jamison is on vacation and the contract might be finalized later this week. Jamison will provide perimeter shooting off the bench behind starting power forward Pau Gasol.

With Jamison off the market the Bobcats may take a run at Carl Landry.

[dav7z]

Let him take his ass to LA to work out with players this summer. TWC has real Bobcats working out and we have no time for town guys who wants to play in LA.

[ND22]

So what happens if the Lakers don't offer him a deal? He has chosen the Lakers but they have yet to offer.


Dave McMenamin
‏@mcten

Just talked to Mitch Kupchak about Antawn Jamison. He acknowledged interest but said: "We're not about to do anything. I would know."

[adam187]

Looks like Ronny Turiaf time.

Dude plays with a lot of heart.

[Demon DeaCat]

Just a few random thoughts.....

Count me among those annoyed by the pronunciation, or I should say, mispronunciation of his name. It's been a pet peeve for 18 years. Of course, it's his name so he can say it however he wants, but as long as the "a" comes before the "w", it's not an-twan.

I didn't really want him simply because given his age and the fact that we aren't trying to win right now, it didn't make sense to me invest much money into a guy who wouldn't factor into our future plans, but it's frustrating nevertheless because of what it represents. If we can't convince a guy who was born and raised here, and who's family still lives here to come and play here, then it's probably not realistic to think we can convince ANY FA to want to sign here unless we're on the verge of winning a championship.

Along those same lines, this off-season has just further demonstrated that the whole lockout and CBA debate last year was much ado about nothing. At the end of the day, nothing has really changed. Everybody still wants to play in LA and NY, and though the owners might have to reach a little deeper into their pockets to make it happen, it will still happen. There are so many loopholes built into the rules that the balance of power will never really change. We just need to stop using terms like "salary cap" because when your system allows teams $20-30 mil over the cap to keep signing FAs then there is no salary cap. It was clear that the hard cap was never going to fly, but the owners should have at least held out for the elimination of the MLE and other exceptions to the cap. The Heat just won a title. Do they really need an exception so they can go out and sign Ray Allen. Same with the Lakers. They thumb their nose at the cap, use a trade exception to get Nash and then use another exception to sign Jamison. Meanwhile, we get turned down by FA after FA and are left to hope we can beg DJ White to come back for another year.

Ok, just needed to get that off my chest. Now I feel better.

[spectre]

There really is no way to take the power away from the big markets without an honest to God hard cap. This new CBA was all about getting the small markets out of the red. As fans of one of those teams let's hope it accomplished that at least.

[bbh2020]

Lakers are meeting with Magic again today about Dwight.

I'm guessing they will not do anything with Jamison right now until they come to a conclusion on Dwight.

[Black]

Marc J. Spears ‏@SpearsNBAYahoo
Jamison had a 2-yr,$8 m offer to play for his hometown CHA. But agent Makhtar N'Diaye's reminder about will to win pushed AJ to choose LAL.

Damn you Makhtar.

[notdeadyet]

I always questioned how he'd fare in Dunlap's uptempo style. Yeah, he could score some, but on D at his age he'd be limited, IMO... Interesting; so with this latest development the Lakers may not actually make him an offer...