Are we in the Orlando trade?

[mrfargo]

I know this may be coming from left field, but hasn't everything this organization done come from there also. I have a feeling we may be involved in the Orlando trade. We have enough cap space to help all of them. Who else feels this may be happening. Who thinks we are in the works for something else trade wise.

[murphman]

Rumor has it Clev. is the team. They want another PF vet short term to give Tristin Thompson time to develop & Kris Humphries will be going to them on a one or two year deal in a sign and trade. Of course it is just rumors now.

[mrfargo]

That's all we have have been reading. The Ben Gordon deal was kept hush hush until it happened

[BlockParty]

I'd be surprised, but only because of the lack of desired assets coming our way:

Desired Assets:

young talent on rookie contracts: (neither team Nets or Magic have anything in this department they are willing to part with).

draft picks: (doubtful Orlando gives away their franchise player AND draft picks, Nets already gave away this past year's first round pick, so we might be waiting for a while....and with DWill, JJ, Crash, and Howard it's doubtful a 1st round pick from them would ever bare a NBA starter).

Cap relief/flexibility: We'd be included in the deal because we have space that they need (And the Nets will be in Cap hell in a few years).

Cho will plug the respective pieces into his database machine and see the results: sweet treat like a cheesecake or a turd

[BlockParty]

Looking Orlando, Brooklyn, Atlanta and 1 other team involved (no need for the Cats to help 2 teams in our division):

@WojYahooNBA
Tentacles of Nets-Magic talks covering 14 players, 3 teams w/ possible 4th locking in to take MarShon Brooks to provide pick, sources tell Y

@johnhollinger
Gotta tip hat to Nets mgmt if they pull this off ... basically going kitchen sink here, and all kinds of weird BYC issues involved too.

@johnhollinger
Wondering where the Hawks are in all this ... wouldn't you rather have Horford than Lopez?

@WojYahooNBA
Y! Sources: As Orlando's hopes for a Dwight Howard deal with Lakers hit turbulence, Nets emerge as frontrunners. http://tinyurl.com/ct7d3bm

[mrfargo]

I could see us giving up portlands 2013 pick for marshon brooks....

[westbrook08]

Marshon is probably the only good young player we would be in the mix for.But frankly, unless we're in a position to draft shabazz muhammed next year,i seriously doubt we're gonna add anymore young wing players until we evaluate our own.And i wouldn't give up a pick to do it.I'd take on a 2 year salary for a 1st rounder from orlando,cause they're probably gonna suck for a few years.But short of that i'd sit this one out.

[dav7z]

I can't see any real benefit in all this for us . Im sure if we not gaining any thing Cho isn't going to mess with it . I think its a much better chance we end up getting Blair from the Spurs. He would be a good fit at a cheap price and could end up a long term piece.

[ammofan]

I can't see any real benefit in all this for us . Im sure if we not gaining any thing Cho isn't going to mess with it . I think its a much better chance we end up getting Blair from the Spurs. He would be a good fit at a cheap price and could end up a long term piece.

I agree. I saw Blair said he thinks he may get traded. I'd love to have him.

[Proudiddy]

I hope so.

At this point it appears the only way we're going to add talent is through trades because no one wants to sign here.

[BETCATS]

MarShon Brooks can ball. But unless we are trading Hendo or Jeff Taylor I don't understand why we'd be in the mix to get him.

[dnbman]

MarShon Brooks can ball. But unless we are trading Hendo or Jeff Taylor I don't understand why we'd be in the mix to get him.

They're looking to get another 1st rounder for him to pass along to someone else.

[dav7z]

OK this works
Nets out , Petro, Brooks
Charlotte out T Time and Portlands first
Spers out Blair
Nets in T Time and Portlands first
Spers in Brooks
Charlotte in Blair and Petro

T Times contract would be about what Cho would be asking

[dnbman]

OK this works
Nets out , Petro, Brooks
Charlotte out T Time and Portlands first
Spers out Blair
Nets in T Time and Portlands first
Spers in Brooks
Charlotte in Blair and Petro

T Times contract would be about what Cho would be asking

That's pretty interesting and seems to meet a lot of needs. I'm not sure the Nets can take on that kind of salary with the proposed trade with Orlando in play.

[Scottley Crue]

Judging from the names Orlando is reportedly taking back in their deal, maybe we should be in on this. I mean, if they'll take on Armon Johnson, surely they have use for Diop or Carroll, right?

[ohara831]

Well, it looks like they need a 4th team since Cavs wont pay Humphries what he wants. Could get interesting. Much rather have Humphries than Blair. Blair hit the outs in San Antonio, so that tells you something.

[dnbman]

Well, it looks like they need a 4th team since Cavs wont pay Humphries what he wants. Could get interesting. Much rather have Humphries than Blair. Blair hit the outs in San Antonio, so that tells you something.

Bonnell is saying he hasn't heard anything about the Bobcats. Sounds like the Clippers are the other team.

[ohara831]

Yep. Clippers.

[westbrook08]

Well if our past trades are any indication.I would say since no one has mentioned us or heard anything, i'm expecting to hear we were involved when it goes down! lol.

[SCBobcat]

ESPN's ticker just said we are interested in Brooks and Hump.

[Black]

ESPN's ticker just said we are interested in Brooks and Hump.

What!

10char

[akaseinfeld]

Rick Bonnell (http://twitter.com/rick_bonnell): I'm told the #Bobcats (http://twitter.com/search?q=%23Bobcats) would be interested in Humphries if he signs a 1-year deal (vs. 4 years) Wouldn't have the same interest in Brooks. now (http://twitter.com/rick_bonnell/statuses/222482954872553472)

Read more: http://hoopshype.com/twitter/media.html#ixzz20Aqg3rR5

[Black]

No idea what to make of this. What would we give up?

This just shows that when we are hearing nothing, Cho is doing his best work.

[ohara831]

I just know I would love Humphries as our PF. I know the hold up with the Cavs is that they want him on a 1 year deal, not multi year. He says he wont sign just 1 year with them. Seems Bonnell is saying the Cats interest is the same - only 1 year, not multi year. I would hope they could find a compromise. I really like Hump as a PF for this team. Far more productive than any other PF we have. And I think he'd work well with Biyombo.

[Chef]

I just know I would love Humphries as our PF. I know the hold up with the Cavs is that they want him on a 1 year deal, not multi year. He says he wont sign just 1 year with them. Seems Bonnell is saying the Cats interest is the same - only 1 year, not multi year. I would hope they could find a compromise. I really like Hump as a PF for this team. Far more productive than any other PF we have. And I think he'd work well with Biyombo.

get him for two. he would be just as tradeable at the deadline to a contender/contending playoff team for a draft pick and an expiring deal/young player. no need for him on the team, but it is all about asset collection at this point and him on a 1 or 2 year 8 million contract is an asset. keeps him hungry and producing.

[dav7z]

This all smells like we trying to dump T Times contract . Thats why we only willing two take on one year of Humpries contract . And if we have no instrest in Brooks a player like Blair could be added into this mix. The Nets is about willing to take on any contract if that means getting Howard. Im sure Cho is making the price high for a first round pick.

[captaincrunk]

This all smells like we trying to dump T Times contract . Thats why we only willing two take on one year of Humpries contract . And if we have no instrest in Brooks a player like Blair could be added into this mix. The Nets is about willing to take on any contract if that means getting Howard. Im sure Cho is making the price high for a first round pick.

They need to send salary out without taking any back

[Chef]

This all smells like we trying to dump T Times contract . Thats why we only willing two take on one year of Humpries contract . And if we have no instrest in Brooks a player like Blair could be added into this mix. The Nets is about willing to take on any contract if that means getting Howard. Im sure Cho is making the price high for a first round pick.

unfortunately we are stuck with tyrus unless we want a worse contract or want to send out picks with him.

they would only need us in this deal because we could absorb hump's entire contract without sending any sizeable money out. my guess would be that the cats would accept a 1 or 2 year contract with no pick included or a second for a first swap which would trump cleveland's offer. we would then trade hump at the deadline or next season for a worse contract and pick just like the detroit deal we just did.

[dav7z]

They need to send salary out without taking any back

Agreeded , Thats why i think TT for Petro and and Blair in that mix saves tons, Humpries for one year and Petro saves us tons all so. One thing for sure is Cho is dangling that Portland first. and im certain TTime is what the cost that first is.

[mrfargo]

Hmmmm. I could have been right. When we are tooooo quiet, we are in the middle of something. Cho is like a ninja.....

NINJA CHO

[captaincrunk]

Agreeded , Thats why i think TT for Petro and and Blair in that mix saves tons, Humpries for one year and Petro saves us tons all so. One thing for sure is Cho is dangling that Portland first. and im certain TTime is what the cost that first is.

Dejuan Blair? Or someone else?

[dav7z]

unfortunately we are stuck with tyrus unless we want a worse contract or want to send out picks with him.

they would only need us in this deal because we could absorb hump's entire contract without sending any sizeable money out. my guess would be that the cats would accept a 1 or 2 year contract with no pick included or a second for a first swap which would trump cleveland's offer. we would then trade hump at the deadline or next season for a worse contract and pick just like the detroit deal we just did.

What im thinking is we offering a first for TT and?? . Right now the nets can take on TTs salery

[Potato]

I like Hump but I don't wanna give a first rounder for him

[dav7z]

Dejuan Blair? Or someone else?
Im refering back to adding the Spurs in a three way where Brooks goes thair Petro and Blair comes hear . Thomas goes to the Nets. Humpries could all so be added and it still work . But im sure Cho don't want to take on any long contract. To give up a first.

[Chef]

What im thinking is we offering a first for TT and?? . Right now the nets can take on TTs salery

are you sure the nets could do that with the "reported" trade on the table. it includes them taking jason richardson as well as howard. unless, we are say, working with houston and some other teams to put together a counter to the current shit sandwich of a trade that is being discussed right now.

[Bosnian-Bobcats-Fan]

according to Sam Amico we could have just replaced the Cavs and Clippers....we would take brooks and the pick probably and possibly humphries......we'll see if we get the pick cho just keeps getting us picks which is awesome anyway here's the tweet

@SamAmicoFSO "Hearing some buzz Cavs out of potential trade involving Nets & Magic, replaced by Bobcats. Cats would take MarShon Brooks, eliminating Clips"

and again @alexkennedynba "The Charlotte Bobcats have also been mentioned as a possible third or fourth team in the talks, according to source. This is out of control."

[Ezell]

I like brooks I like hump. I hope we can make it happen. Surely we would have to flip some 2 guards after this though.

[Bosnian-Bobcats-Fan]

I like brooks I like hump. I hope we can make it happen. Surely we would have to flip some 2 guards after this though.

I think Reggie Williams would be out after this IF it happens

[Whiz Kid]

So we get either Brooks or Humphries? Is there a possibility of getting both? (HAHA Dreams Money Can Buy)

But the Cats only want Hump for a 1 year deal...Attacking next years FO...I like.

[Proudiddy]

That would be awesome.

[captaincrunk]

Im refering back to adding the Spurs in a three way where Brooks goes thair Petro and Blair comes hear . Thomas goes to the Nets. Humpries could all so be added and it still work . But im sure Cho don't want to take on any long contract. To give up a first.

so the bobcats get rid of thomas and gain the capable dejuan blair. all they have to do is take on petro and lose a first? that seems fairly even, all things considered. Kind of a lateral move, so I don't feel strongly either way but it's something to build on

[Potato]

If we somehow land Hump and Brooks and find a way to give up TT the deal would have to be a huge win for us. Even if surrender a first round pick, hopefully it would be the one Portland owes us. However, lol if you think Hump will agree to a one year deal. Hump would stop the trade in the process if all he was gonna get was 1 year, but Hump could be a really solid piece at the right price. He's 27 and has made improvements every year and is about to enter his prime. I wouldn't want to give up any of our picks as they are all going to be really high for the next few seasons lol. I like Marshon Brooks a lot also, but if we get him we're all of a sudden even more clogged up at SG than we already are. Brooks, Gordon and Hendo would all be similar players that would average around 14-15 ppg next year so I'm guessing Hendo would be on his way out. We wouldn't keep 3 SGs that similar.

[ohara831]

If we shed TT, I dont the FO would have much issue with signing Hump for more than 1 year. At least I would hope not.

Saw where Sam Amick says the Cavs may be out and replaced by the Cats. Cats taking Brooks also. If we somehow land both Brooks and Hump, and can shed TT and Carroll's contracts to the Nets and only give up the future Portland 1st, I would think I underestimated Cho as merely a genius. He'd have to also be magic.

[spectre]

I haven't looked at the numbers but I'd be shocked if the Nets took Tyrus. They've already had to do some unique maneuverings salary wise just to do what they've already done.

Hump at 8 for 1 year is overpaid but I could live with it. More than one year? Ugh. For what? The chance to give up the POR pick to acquire Brooks?

I'm not feeling it.

[Bosnian-Bobcats-Fan]

if we get hump for a year im fine....but like spectre said i dont want hump for more than a year...save the cap room for 2013 i'd like if we somehow got brooks tho

[MadBOBCATfanUK]

if he wants a mutli-year i'd throw him 3 years at 6 mil but we'd have to find a way to get rid of Tyrus.

[Katmandu]

I haven't looked at the numbers but I'd be shocked if the Nets took Tyrus.

I agree. Dumping TT is our fantasy. I don't see any other team looking to take on $27 million of (so far, at least) dead weight.

[ohara831]

Hump is only 27 and has avg'd a double double the last 2 years. I'd absolutley grab him for 2-3 years, but in return I would expect it to be less than $8 mil per. Hump for 3 years is 3x more preferable than TT for 3 years, eveb at the same money. And Brooks has lots of potential. And having Hump as the PF makes it so much better that we took MKG and not T-Rob now. I see absolutely zero downfall to such a deal if we do not add payroll but add Hump and Brooks and ditch TT. We already know that FA's do not look at us as a place of destination right now. Why save the cap room for next year and not get anyone? We need to improve this team and become a winning team before FA's will look to Charlotte. The past 2 drafts, and a deal like this, could be a huge jump start.

[Bosnian-Bobcats-Fan]

I honestly think the only way we could get rid of TT is if we amnesty him....i just don't see anyone taking his contract...but then again somehow the hawks traded joe johnsons contract

[bes628]

Hump is only 27 and has avg'd a double double the last 2 years. I'd absolutley grab him for 2-3 years, but in return I would expect it to be less than $8 mil per. Hump for 3 years is 3x more preferable than TT for 3 years, eveb at the same money. And Brooks has lots of potential. And having Hump as the PF makes it so much better that we took MKG and not T-Rob now. I see absolutely zero downfall to such a deal if we do not add payroll but add Hump and Brooks and ditch TT. We already know that FA's do not look at us as a place of destination right now. Why save the cap room for next year and not get anyone? We need to improve this team and become a winning team before FA's will look to Charlotte. The past 2 drafts, and a deal like this, could be a huge jump start.

I agree with everything here.

[Plowright]

The Nets made an offer for TT at 6 mil a year if you remember when he was a RFA. So their FO and management obviously do rate him, I know since then he has gone a bit downhill but they may believe that he could thrive in a different situation. Saying that though, I think dumping TT is a bit of a fantasy, there is no way we dump him without giving up something valuable like a pick or a player who is part of our core. I would love to get Brooks for Portland's pick, I think Portland will prob finish late lottery or be a low seed in the paly offs, plus next years draft has Shabazz and Noel and then a drop off it seems right now, outside of the top 5 or 6 I think it goes to a relatively poor draft. I don't think we really need Brooks, I certainly would never play him at PG like someone suggested. But I would love to get him as he is a good player who can flat out score in a lot of ways, he was fairly inconsistent last year and actually went 0-10 in summer league with 4 turnovers yesterday :/ but that talent is there for all to see. A guard rotation of Hendo, Gordon, Brooks could be fairly good. We could get away with playing Gordon at some PG and Hendo or Brooks at SF of stretches in the game. Also if we did get Brooks it would make him or Hendo a trade asset which would be good going forward

[spectre]

IF we do acquire Brooks I agree...him along with our picks make for a very good/promising 2/3 rotation with fair support for the 1 with Gordon. Hump at the 4 (and possibly Jamison...or would we be out of the running w/ the deal?) and I'm liking next season. We should stay in some games with that and our other young guys.

I also forgot about NJN going for Tyrus, but I think he's gone downhill far enough now to where we will have to give up something to move him...and it'd probably be more than we'd want to pay.

[ohara831]

Listening to Ric Bucher on Mike and Mike a bit ago, the Cavs and/or Cats do appear to be holding this up as they are playing hardball. And I like it. They are in the driver's seat according to Bucher, so why not ask for the moon? My thoughts are that if we ditch TT, Carroll and the future Portland 1st, and in return get both Hump and Brooks, then we smoked this deal. I realize it is asking alot to get this deal done, but I dont want Cho simply making a deal to make one. And by his track record, he only does the deal if he feels we win it. And that is all I ask of him.

[SWedd523]

Those teams wouldn't be able to take Tyrus or Carroll. That's why they need another team to serve as a salary dump. If they were going to take on Tyrus, they'd just keep Humphries at around the same price.

The nets are going to have three max deals and Crash at 10 mil. They absolutely will not be adding salary other than to make it match with Dwight. Orlando might be able to take him, but there is no reason why they would.

[mrfargo]

hell, who would want to take him, other than us

[BlockParty]

Hump is only 27 and has avg'd a double double the last 2 years. I'd absolutley grab him for 2-3 years, but in return I would expect it to be less than $8 mil per. Hump for 3 years is 3x more preferable than TT for 3 years, eveb at the same money. And Brooks has lots of potential. And having Hump as the PF makes it so much better that we took MKG and not T-Rob now. I see absolutely zero downfall to such a deal if we do not add payroll but add Hump and Brooks and ditch TT. We already know that FA's do not look at us as a place of destination right now. Why save the cap room for next year and not get anyone? We need to improve this team and become a winning team before FA's will look to Charlotte. The past 2 drafts, and a deal like this, could be a huge jump start.

The reason we want him for only 1 year is two-fold:

We aren't going to be great this year, which will improve our chances of a high draft pick again, coupled with other draft picks we are compiling (Detroit & Portland). These draft picks could allow us to pick up a replacement for Humphries (similar skill set, productivity level, just 6-8 years younger) on a rookie contract which could save us $30M over 4 years.

Since we are finally in a position of having huge Cap flexibility after next season, we don't want a solid NBA starter (humphries) slowing down any trade packages we might encounter. Nothing against humphries, but he's a complimentary piece, not a cornerstone.

[westbrook08]

None of them would be taking tyrus.If we are replacing the cavs and clippers in this then from what i've read we would be getting humphries and a 1st rounder from the nets.And then getting brooks and probably sending the portland pick to orlando.

[Potato]

None of them would be taking tyrus.If we are replacing the cavs and clippers in this then from what i've read we would be getting humphries and a 1st rounder from the nets.And then getting brooks and probably sending the portland pick to orlando.

So what would we be giving New Jersey? That would be an awesome deal.

[dav7z]

Those teams wouldn't be able to take Tyrus or Carroll. That's why they need another team to serve as a salary dump. If they were going to take on Tyrus, they'd just keep Humphries at around the same price.

The nets are going to have three max deals and Crash at 10 mil. They absolutely will not be adding salary other than to make it match with Dwight. Orlando might be able to take him, but there is no reason why they would.

When looking at the salries we are taking on more first Year money , Humpries around 8 , Brooks 3 , Petro ,2 , I looked all this up yesterday . So this is just guestaments . Going out i had only TT. and a Portland pick That was a little over 8.

Then i added the remaining payroal of the Nets plus the three players coming from the Magic . That put them at around 49 mil , added in 9 mil for TT that put them right at58 just below. Remember D Williams is not included but they can sign him after the trades and even go to tax hell . Adding Carroll is too much it wont work ,
I think the hold up is Cho isn,t wanting to take on a three or four year Hump deal . See hes sees moving Hump after this season or just letting him walk. I know he wants tons of cap flexability for free agents next season and we not tying our self up that long

EDIT,,, WOW you know i didn't add CRASH in at 10 forgot about that ,. But if he signs his extension after the trade it should work. I don;t think he has been singed yet?

[ohara831]

I would much rather have Hump for 2-3 year contract than Jamison for a 2 year deal. Any Sign and Trade must be for multiple years. Just flat out stupid of Charlotte to think they can get Hump on a multi year deal but have him agree to only 1 year being guaranteed. So lets do nothing. Have lots of cap space next year, but again be in the same position where no FA's want to come to Charlotte because we suck. Screw that thinking. If your can get Hump and Brooks in here and not increase your payroll, we are a much better team than not doing the deal. Tanking got us #2 this draft. It aint worth tanking and hoping the BB Gods will smile on us. To hell with the BB Gods. Time to let Cho make us better and not simply hope we get Ping Pong Ball luck. Stern is a lying crooked SOB.

[dav7z]

I would much rather have Hump for 2-3 year contract than Jamison for a 2 year deal. Any Sign and Trade must be for multiple years. Just flat out stupid of Charlotte to think they can get Hump on a multi year deal but have him agree to only 1 year being guaranteed. So lets do nothing. Have lots of cap space next year, but again be in the same position where no FA's want to come to Charlotte because we suck. Screw that thinking. If your can get Hump and Brooks in here and not increase your payroll, we are a much better team than not doing the deal. Tanking got us #2 this draft. It aint worth tanking and hoping the BB Gods will smile on us. To hell with the BB Gods. Time to let Cho make us better and not simply hope we get Ping Pong Ball luck. Stern is a lying crooked SOB.

Its got to benefit us . Agreeded . But i was thing if we cut Clevland out , Cho might could swing this and us keep our first and only give up TT. I know CHO is looking at Brooks four years and three of Hump , Petro is expiring , Is Cleavland taking on any thing other than Hump??

[spectre]

We don't know that MKG wasn't worth the tank...and we certainly aren't going anywhere if we get back into competing for the 8th with Milwaukee.

Avoid role players at a premium salary. Patience.

[Black]

Looks like Cleveland is backing out because they want Lopez in the deal. We'll see how this plays out soon enough.


The Cavs were supposed to be the landing spot for Humphries on a one-year $9 million deal to which the Cavs would get a first round pick for playing broker. The deal expanded pretty aggressively with Luke Walton’s contract being tossed in at some point. Late last night, as the deal was said to be gaining serious traction, sources close to the process said the Cavs appeared to be backing out after making a demand to obtain Brook Lopez for themselves, too. There was talk of second-year forward Tristan Thompson being packed in to Orlando in exchange for not getting Lopez and that’s when things seemed to derail.

Charlotte Bobcats: The Charlotte Bobcats were a late arrival to the Howard talks, however it seems that the Bobcats are open to being the team that takes Kris Humphries – if it’s a one-year deal. Sources say the Bobcats would love to divest themselves of Tyrus Thomas or DeSagana Diop in the transaction, but that’s not likely. The Bobcats do have ample cap room and they hold the rights on some interesting trade chips, namely free agent Eduardo Najera and restricted free agents DJ Augustin and DJ White.


http://67.228.166.141/nba-am-time-for-orlando-to-make-a-deal?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=nba-am-time-for-orlando-to-make-a-deal&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

[spectre]

Interesting. Didn't think of DJ & Najera being included.

[dav7z]

After looking at the Cavs salery and contracts . I think we in much better shape to take on Humpries. This is getting real instresting and complycated.

The 12.00 local news just said we look to be serious players in a Nets trade sending a local fav to Charlotte . This might have some real legs

?? could A Morrow be in the mix?

[Scottley Crue]

After looking at the Cavs salery and contracts . I think we in much better shape to take on Humpries. This is getting real instresting and complycated.

It absolutely is, you're right. The good thing for us is that Brooklyn and Orlando want to get this done soon but need help to do it. If we're in position to help them out, we can get a little bit more out of the deal than normal. It'll be interesting to see how it happens and if we're in it when it's official. As long as, like Spectre says, we don't pay retail for role players in this, we stand a chance to come out pretty well.

[G-Force for MVP]

After looking at the Cavs salery and contracts . I think we in much better shape to take on Humpries. This is getting real instresting and complycated.

The 12.00 local news just said we look to be serious players in a Nets trade sending a local fav to Charlotte . This might have some real legs

?? could A Morrow be in the mix?


i see anthony morrow at the Ymca a lot

[Scrapper1]

So what would we be giving New Jersey? That would be an awesome deal.

Nothing at all, basically... except a landing place for a few of their players in order to make this work. And we strengthen our roster and receive 3mil in cash and a 1st rd pick.

[Black]

Orlando has reopened negotiations with other teams. I would imagine we will try to be involved in any scenario considering our assets and cap situation.

[Plowright]

I think that we have said what we want if we facilitate this trade, so Orlando have probably gone out looking for what we want so the deal can go through

[Chef]

Those teams wouldn't be able to take Tyrus or Carroll. That's why they need another team to serve as a salary dump. If they were going to take on Tyrus, they'd just keep Humphries at around the same price.

The nets are going to have three max deals and Crash at 10 mil. They absolutely will not be adding salary other than to make it match with Dwight. Orlando might be able to take him, but there is no reason why they would.

i have posted this about 3 times now. key salary facts in deals are not important, swedd. just post "things you wish would happen" and run with it.

[Chef]

So what would we be giving New Jersey? That would be an awesome deal.

nothing, that is the point of our involvement.

[Proudiddy]

I think some forget, we have to spend like 8 mil or so more to even reach the cap floor.

[ChuckHayes69]

I think some forget, we have to spend like 8 mil or so more to even reach the cap floor.

Anyone know what the cap floor is this year? I know we are sitting at about $50M without DJ and D-Brown.

[ohara831]

Those teams wouldn't be able to take Tyrus or Carroll. That's why they need another team to serve as a salary dump. If they were going to take on Tyrus, they'd just keep Humphries at around the same price.

The nets are going to have three max deals and Crash at 10 mil. They absolutely will not be adding salary other than to make it match with Dwight. Orlando might be able to take him, but there is no reason why they would.

I would not be so sure of that. The Big Russian has lots of money. New town, new arena. He will pay the luxury tax for a couple years if need be to make sure they get Howard into Brooklyn. That place will sell out, rake in mega money, and the team will be strongly competitive with Miami. Yes, he will pay the Tax. So I dont think there will be too much of a concern on that part.

[ChuckHayes69]

I would not be so sure of that. The Big Russian has lots of money. New town, new arena. He will pay the luxury tax for a couple years if need be to make sure they get Howard into Brooklyn. That place will sell out, rake in mega money, and the team will be strongly competitive with Miami. Yes, he will pay the Tax. So I dont think there will be too much of a concern on that part.

He could pay for him. But the deal does not work with them taking that much salary back. The reason for Humphries to be included is to make the salaries in and out for the Nets close enough for the deal to be legal. Taking back Thomas would negate the reasoning behind us being involved in the first place.

[NotFromAroundHere]

Sam Amico ‏@SamAmicoFSO
Bobcats willing to give Kris Humphries multi-year deal in potential 3-way trade with Nets & Magic, source says.


Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooo

[westbrook08]

I think it's actually kind of crazy if we get these 2 guys because we would really start looking like the thunder in alot of ways.Think about it.Kemba(westbrook) young shoot first point guard who can get his own shot.Taylor(sefalosha)a long defensive minded wing who can shoot from deep.Humphries(collison) A rugged high energy 4 who can rebound and start if needed.Brooks(Harden) a 2 with good size and midrange game who can also handle the ball and help @ the point to a degree.Biyombo(Ibaka) A 4/5 hybrid,high energy shot blocking machine.Kidd-Gilchrist(Durant) An extremely long athletic 3 with superstar potential.Gordon(Fisher) An older back court player who can come in and shoot the 3 and give guidance in the locker room.And if we landed nerlins noel this next draft you would have you throwback old school defensive anchor in the mold of perkins only better.There's your rebuild! lol.

[dav7z]

i have posted this about 3 times now. key salary facts in deals are not important, swedd. just post "things you wish would happen" and run with it.

Chef i have cheched thease salerys and yes we have to take about five mil more back than what goes out . But Hump at 8 for one year plus Petro , Brooks . for TTime WORKS check it. But im sure the Nets don't want three years of TTs contract.
Swedd, Chef , You are smarter than me add in the Nets cap numbers and see what you come up with.,,, please,,, Remember D Williams and CRASH can be signed after this trade .

[ChuckHayes69]

I think it's actually kind of crazy if we get these 2 guys because we would really start looking like the thunder in alot of ways.Think about it.Kemba(westbrook) young shoot first point guard who can get his own shot.Taylor(sefalosha)a long defensive minded wing who can shoot from deep.Humphries(collison) A rugged high energy 4 who can rebound and start if needed.Brooks(Harden) a 2 with good size and midrange game who can also handle the ball and help @ the point to a degree.Biyombo(Ibaka) A 4/5 hybrid,high energy shot blocking machine.Kidd-Gilchrist(Durant) An extremely long athletic 3 with superstar potential.Gordon(Fisher) An older back court player who can come in and shoot the 3 and give guidance in the locker room.And if we landed nerlins noel this next draft you would have you throwback old school defensive anchor in the mold of perkins only better.There's your rebuild! lol.

Except Kemba is a homeless man's westbrook, MKG is nothing at all like Durant at all except they are both SF's picked 2nd overall. Ibaka and Biyombo is your only good comp really (and I don't love that). Maybe Brooks and Harden. Also how is Gordon anything at all like Fisher? Humphries and Collison ehh. We are the Bobcats, not the Thunder. If you want to pretend we are re-building the thunder go for it but it makes you sound dumb.

[bes628]

Sam Amico ‏@SamAmicoFSO
Bobcats willing to give Kris Humphries multi-year deal in potential 3-way trade with Nets & Magic, source says.


Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooo

Thats great news to me, Dude is automatic double-double. As long as we're dishing out TT.

[captaincrunk]

Chef i have cheched thease salerys and yes we have to take about five mil more back than what goes out . But Hump at 8 for one year plus Petro , Brooks . for TTime WORKS check it. But im sure the Nets don't want three years of TTs contract.
Swedd, Chef , You are smarter than me add in the Nets cap numbers and see what you come up with.,,, please,,, Remember D Williams and CRASH can be signed after this trade .

the problem is trading while over the cap in regards to taking in dwight and stuff. they need to send out the right amount of salary, and it doesn't matter who gets it so long as it goes out in a trade

[ammofan]

YES YES YES YES YES!

Gimme Hump and Brooks noowwwwwwwwwww.

[ChuckHayes69]

Thats great news to me, Dude is automatic double-double. As long as we're dishing out TT.

We aren't. Unless we amnesty him (which wouldn't make sense strategically).

[NotFromAroundHere]

We're really going to pay Hump around 9 mil per year for 3 years? Great way to rebuild. Give an untradeable player a terrible contract. Sounds familiar.

[bes628]

Ken Berger ‏@KBergCBS
A possible replacement for Cleveland as a third team, the Bobcats, are "not in the mix," says a person familiar with Charlotte's plans.

[Whiz Kid]

I think it's actually kind of crazy if we get these 2 guys because we would really start looking like the thunder in alot of ways.Think about it.Kemba(westbrook) young shoot first point guard who can get his own shot.Taylor(sefalosha)a long defensive minded wing who can shoot from deep.Humphries(collison) A rugged high energy 4 who can rebound and start if needed.Brooks(Harden) a 2 with good size and midrange game who can also handle the ball and help @ the point to a degree.Biyombo(Ibaka) A 4/5 hybrid,high energy shot blocking machine.Kidd-Gilchrist(Durant) An extremely long athletic 3 with superstar potential.Gordon(Fisher) An older back court player who can come in and shoot the 3 and give guidance in the locker room.And if we landed nerlins noel this next draft you would have you throwback old school defensive anchor in the mold of perkins only better.There's your rebuild! lol.

I only would agree with you, had we drafted Barnes. Otherwise, invalid. Only for your comparison, I'd more-so call MKG-Sefalosha and Taylor-Durant. Which is a far, far, far stretch. So no.

[ChuckHayes69]

We're really going to pay Hump around 9 mil per year for 3 years? Great way to rebuild. Give an untradeable player a terrible contract. Sounds familiar.

3 years at 9M isn't an untradable, horrible contract. I don't love it but its nothing like Okafor or Tyrus. He's a useful player who's still young and we have plenty of space and flexibility. If it gets us Brooks I'm all for it.

[NotFromAroundHere]

3 years at 9M isn't an untradable, horrible contract. I don't love it but its nothing like Okafor or Tyrus. He's a useful player who's still young and we have plenty of space and flexibility. If it gets us Brooks I'm all for it.

But we still have Thomas. And I really dont think we'd be getting Brooks. He'd be going to LAC. I guess if we did get Brooks it would be a little better but Humphries at 9 mil is bad when you're trying to rebuild. If we didnt already have Ty Thomas then itd be great.

[westbrook08]

I don't think it's dumb @ all.You have no clue how kemba will compare to westbrook.Westbrook led the nba in turnovers his first 2 years and looked fucking awful.And kemba hasn't even had training camp or a full season yet.I'm not saying that MKG's game is like durant's.What i'm saying is that they both are extremly long for their position and create match up problems.And i do think that mkg has a chance to be a star.Taylor totally compares to sefalosha.Their games are very similar,As are collison and humphries.And Gordon compares to fisher because they are both older guys who are there to be locker room leaders and hit the occasional 3.I make the comparisons because cho was behind helping build the thunder and these are the types of players he likes.Therefore i think it's interesting to debate the similarities.

[westbrook08]

Ken Berger ‏@KBergCBS
A possible replacement for Cleveland as a third team, the Bobcats, are "not in the mix," says a person familiar with Charlotte's plans.

I wouldn't believe anything an outside source reports on the team.No one has been out in front of any moves we've made in a long time.The one thing our front office does better than anyone is keep a secret.And name another team that has cap room,expirings,guys to sign and trade,and extra picks the next few years.I'm pretty sure we're in the mix if we want to be.

[ChuckHayes69]

I don't think it's dumb @ all.You have no clue how kemba will compare to westbrook.Westbrook led the nba in turnovers his first 2 years and looked fucking awful.And kemba hasn't even had training camp or a full season yet.I'm not saying that MKG's game is like durant's.What i'm saying is that they both are extremly long for their position and create match up problems.And i do think that mkg has a chance to be a star.Taylor totally compares to sefalosha.Their games are very similar,As are collison and humphries.And Gordon compares to fisher because they are both older guys who are there to be locker room leaders and hit the occasional 3.I make the comparisons because cho was behind helping build the thunder and these are the types of players he likes.Therefore i think it's interesting to debate the similarities.

Gordon is here because he's a bad contract and we got a 1st rounder to take him for one extra year over Maggette. Yes it's possible Kemba could be like Westbrook but why keep comparing us to them? We have a few similar bench pieces maybe but so does almost every other team. I could make the argument that the Nuggets are building like them and it would have as much weight (not much). Lawson is like Westbrook, McGee/Farried are like Ibaka/Perkins, Gallinari is like Durant, Afflalo is like Sefalosha, Chandler is like Harden. Etc.. I just don't get the point of comparing every potential acquisition to a member of the thunder. We aren't trying to replicate their roster, we are trying to replicate their success. The pieces will not line up the same, because that's pretty much impossible.

[ChuckHayes69]

I wouldn't believe anything an outside source reports on the team.No one has been out in front of any moves we've made in a long time.The one thing our front office does better than anyone is keep a secret.

Definitely true...I don't remember the last time any move we've made was expected even a few hours before it happened.

[Chef]

Chef i have cheched thease salerys and yes we have to take about five mil more back than what goes out . But Hump at 8 for one year plus Petro , Brooks . for TTime WORKS check it. But im sure the Nets don't want three years of TTs contract.
Swedd, Chef , You are smarter than me add in the Nets cap numbers and see what you come up with.,,, please,,, Remember D Williams and CRASH can be signed after this trade .

it's not us that can't do it, it is the nets. because, in the deal "proposed" (sources say anyway) nets take howard and j-rich. them taking j-rich makes it impossible for them to take TT and no other team would even think about it. it isn't an issue of them wanting to pay the luxury tax, it is them being up against the salary cap and the trades not being allowed to happen. the sign and trade with humphries, lopez and the others would give them the cap room to do the deal for howard and j-rich. if not, then they are effectively trading about 15 million in salary for 45 million back, so it can't work.

it isn't an issue of you not being smart (i think quite the contrary, spelling does not equate to intelligence. you often have very insightful posts, even if it is clear your spell check is not working), my bigger issue is not with you but with a trend of late of not reading/responding/adding to/debating other posts and just repeating things that have been said before. i am a much bigger fan of conversation and not carpet-bombing posting without regard to what has already been written.

[westbrook08]

Gordon is here because he's a bad contract and we got a 1st rounder to take him for one extra year over Maggette. Yes it's possible Kemba could be like Westbrook but why keep comparing us to them? We have a few similar bench pieces maybe but so does almost every other team. I could make the argument that the Nuggets are building like them and it would have as much weight (not much). Lawson is like Westbrook, McGee/Farried are like Ibaka/Perkins, Gallinari is like Durant, Afflalo is like Sefalosha, Chandler is like Harden. Etc.. I just don't get the point of comparing every potential acquisition to a member of the thunder. We aren't trying to replicate their roster, we are trying to replicate their success. The pieces will not line up the same, because that's pretty much impossible.

I'm not disagreeing with you.You can't build any team exactly like another.But because of cho being here it's just interesting to see if he does it in a similar fashion.Certain coaches have distinct types of players they like and would imagine certain gm's do as well.That's all i'm saying.

[ChuckHayes69]

I'm not disagreeing with you.You can't build any team exactly like another.But because of cho being here it's just interesting to see if he does it in a similar fashion.Certain coaches have distinct types of players they like and would imagine certain gm's do as well.That's all i'm saying.

Fair enough, I get what you are saying now.

[dav7z]

the problem is trading while over the cap in regards to taking in dwight and stuff. they need to send out the right amount of salary, and it doesn't matter who gets it so long as it goes out in a trade

Aggreded Thats why we got to take on Humps money , And five mil more if we getting rid of TT

The Nets would look something like this
Howard 19.261
Richardson 5.799
Clark 1.240
Farmar 4.250
Morrow 4.000
Williams.782
T T 8.000
Crash 10.000
total , 53.334
D Williams would still have to be signed

We take Hump 3 years at say 9 per
Petro at 3.5
Brooks 1.193
13.693 coming in
TT 8.000 going out
No first involved if we take Brooks
If we took Morrows 4 mil instead of Brooks we might be able to swing a first all so.

[westbrook08]

No one's taking tyrus thomas.I haven't seen it mentioned anywhere.We would be there to take on salary and be rewarded with a pick because of it.That's it! If you think anyone's taking our garbage back in this deal your crazy.If these other teams were in a position to take back more players then they wouldn't need us in the first place.Think about it!

[NotFromAroundHere]

We're not getting Brooks. We would get Hump and a 1st round pick. Who knows what year that pick would be in and it will probably be somewhere between 25 and 30. Yippee!

[ohara831]

Totally confused by the conflicting messages from Amick and Berger. One says we are not in the mix, the other says we are willing to give Hump multi year contract? Very confused right now.

[westbrook08]

You never know.I could definitely see a situation where howard's back goes bad and crash get's hurt.They don't even have a starting 4 and joe johnson and deron williams aren't making the playoffs by themselves.If that happened and the pick turned into muhammed or noel i would laugh till i pissed my pants!

[dav7z]

No one's taking tyrus thomas.I haven't seen it mentioned anywhere.We would be there to take on salary and be rewarded with a pick because of it.That's it! If you think anyone's taking our garbage back in this deal your crazy.If these other teams were in a position to take back more players then they wouldn't need us in the first place.Think about it!

Did you not read the tweet three pages back where the Bobcats are pushing to move TT in the deal .

[westbrook08]

No i did not.But even if they are trying to it's not gonna happen.No one's giving us a pick,a good young player,and taking back our garbage.Not gonna happen.I would do cartwheels if it did.But i would bet money it doesn't.

[captaincrunk]

No i did not.But even if they are trying to it's not gonna happen.No one's giving us a pick,a good young player,and taking back our garbage.Not gonna happen.I would do cartwheels if it did.But i would bet money it doesn't.

He said we wouldn't get a pick if we lost Thomas and got Brooks.

I think I'd rather have morrow than brooks personally, I like his game better.

[Plowright]

I think I'd rather have morrow than brooks personally, I like his game better.

Are you serious!? Morrow is such a one dimensional player, sure he can shoot it well but he is a below average athlete, defender and everything else. Brooks has really good size, a great upper frame with a long wingspan which gives him good defensive potential. Also brooks can score in a multitude of ways. I remember watching him post up kemba and hendo and score over them, then a secodn later he would drain a 3 or go to the basket. Morrow might be a better role player, but I think Brooks is a very dangerous scorer, he can do it all

[captaincrunk]

Are you serious!? Morrow is such a one dimensional player, sure he can shoot it well but he is a below average athlete, defender and everything else. Brooks has really good size, a great upper frame with a long wingspan which gives him good defensive potential. Also brooks can score in a multitude of ways. I remember watching him post up kemba and hendo and score over them, then a secodn later he would drain a 3 or go to the basket. Morrow might be a better role player, but I think Brooks is a very dangerous scorer, he can do it all
Yeah but I think Marshon Brooks will be a role player. So comparing the two as role players, I think Morrow will do a better job AND cost less long run, you know? I mean you can gamble on Brook's potential but he seems like an everyday chucker to me.

[dav7z]

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8147719/orlando-magic-exploring-other-dwight-howard-trades-source-says

The video makes me think we are trying to take the Nets to the cleaners . The Nets don't have many options hear and Cho knows it.

[NotFromAroundHere]

If we're interested in never getting good, Brooks will be great for us. He can just score meaningless points in 20 point losses. On a good team, he's a role player. I dont think a good team wants a role player who chucks either.

[westbrook08]

Can show me that tweet again?Cause i just went went through this whole thread and didn't see anything like that.All i saw was the link to hoopsworld saying that we would like to rid ourselves of thomas or diop,but that it wasn't likely.And i'm sure every deal we do we're looking to get rid of them.That's like saying the sun came up today! lol. It doesn't mean that's driving the deal.

[westbrook08]

If we're interested in never getting good, Brooks will be great for us. He can just score meaningless points in 20 point losses. On a good team, he's a role player. I dont think a good team wants a role player who chucks either.

And your crazy if you think brooks is just some role player on a meaningless team.He was straight up ballin' with no training camp in a shortened season as a rookie.He's young,has size,can handle the ball,and can create his own shot.He's exactly what this team needs!

[Chef]

If we're interested in never getting good, Brooks will be great for us. He can just score meaningless points in 20 point losses. On a good team, he's a role player. I dont think a good team wants a role player who chucks either.

even if you are correct, and i don't agree with you, he is an asset. word of the day, asset. we should be renamed the "charlotte trade assets" for the next few seasons, that is what cho is doing.

[BETCATS]

And your crazy if you think brooks is just some role player on a meaningless team.He was straight up ballin' with no training camp in a shortened season as a rookie.He's young,has size,can handle the ball,and can create his own shot.He's exactly what this team needs!

Between Kemba, Henderson, Gordon, and Brooks we'd have 4 guys that need minutes and shots but not a single pass-first distributor.
I'd support bringing him in only if one of the other three were moved in the trade and we also made a move for a pure point guard. He's good but he's not what we need.

[westbrook08]

Kemba's assists per 40 last year were in line with where augustin was in year 3.He hasn't even had a full training camp yet.Give it time.And out of all the guys you mentioned,not one of them can get their own shot anywhere and anytime they want.Brooks can.At the end of the day we just need guys who know how to play basketball.Period.I think brooks could walk in and start day 1 for us.And since we didn't have a full season last year Brooks,kemba,mkg,and biz would all basically get to start learning at the same time.I think that would be extremely exiting for this franchise.

[dav7z]

Between Kemba, Henderson, Gordon, and Brooks we'd have 4 guys that need minutes and shots but not a single pass-first distributor.
I'd support bringing him in only if one of the other three were moved in the trade and we also made a move for a pure point guard. He's good but he's not what we need.

Im sure if Brooks or Morrow came in someone would be moved . For a position of need . Though Brooks should be looked at as a asset , I would say he has first round pick value.
I think we will address point guard after we decide on DJ . We did extend him his qo ..

[Scrapper1]

Marshon Brooks will be far better than Henderson.. truth.

[captaincrunk]

Yeah but I think Marshon Brooks will be a role player. So comparing the two as role players, I think Morrow will do a better job AND cost less long run, you know? I mean you can gamble on Brook's potential but he seems like an everyday chucker to me.

Also, Morrow was born in Charlotte and went to high school in NC

[Potato]

If we end up with Hump and Brooks I'd be thrilled, they are both solid young players and could be good pieces for future trades. I do think Brooks will be considerably better than Henderson after I really looked into his numbers last night. I just don't want to give up any of OUR future first round picks, I'm fine with surrendering the Detroit and especially the Portland pick, but I don't want to give up any of OUR future picks especially since we already owe Chicago one.

[spectre]

The minimum salary floor is 85% of the cap this season, 90% after that. It's not an issue this year.

[gamecocksmitty4]

Since the discussion is on how tremendous Marshon Brooks is....he went 0 for 10 yesterday....in the Summer League.

[captaincrunk]

Since the discussion is on how tremendous Marshon Brooks is....he went 0 for 10 yesterday....in the Summer League.

He's currently 1/12 in it

[ohara831]

Heard Bonnell on ESPN this evening. Says the Cats are willing to take multi year on Hump, just depends on how long and much. Seems to think we are a logical facilitator for the deal. Did not specify if he really thought a deal would go down with the Cats.

[gamecocksmitty4]

Btw...that's not meant to be me saying anything about Brooks. Heck, I really really wanted Charlotte to draft him last year. The only point of my last post was to remind everyone to temper their expectations of him.

[westbrook08]

Since the discussion is on how tremendous Marshon Brooks is....he went 0 for 10 yesterday....in the Summer League.

Yeah and i remember kobe bryant in his 1st playoffs with the lakers doing nothing but throwing air balls the entire 4th quarter against the jazz.Maybe the lakers should have just traded him then! lol. It's summer league.He probably hasn't touched a basketball in a couple of months.relax.

[gamecocksmitty4]

Yeah and i remember kobe bryant in his 1st playoffs with the lakers doing nothing but throwing air balls the entire 4th quarter against the jazz.Maybe the lakers should have just traded him then! lol. It's summer league.He probably hasn't touched a basketball in a couple of months.relax.

You're comparing Kobe to Marshon? You're also comparing playoffs to SL? You do realize that half of the guys that are playing in the Summer League are just YMCA All Stars. Brooks shouldn't struggle with that no matter what.

Also, maybe you should have read my next comment. I never said he was bad. I really like the kid. I was, in fact, trying to get you to "relax" on your expectations of Brooks. You're using extremes in your argument. No one is saying that he sucks. However, he is also not (likely) going to be a star. He is somewhere in the middle. Don't get so defensive and try to understand the other person's rebuttal without using extremes.

[westbrook08]

Dude,i was just joking around with you.But we do disagree. I don't see brooks being an average player.I see him as all-star in the future and as a player we could could put beside kemba and have one of the best young back courts in the league.I think alot of teams are gonna regret not being all over the nets to get this kid.

[gamecocksmitty4]

I think Marshon is going to be a good scorer. However, I don't see him as a Championship SG. That being said, I would love to have him for one of two reasons: 1) use him in a trade in the future for a draft pick or 2) be a scorer off the bench in our hopeful playoff run(s).

[Chef]

well, if this thing doesn't get done in the next 90 minutes, it won't happen and this whole thread was for not.

[dnbman]

well, if this thing doesn't get done in the next 90 minutes, it won't happen and this whole thread was for not.

Although, let's be real: during this time of the year, 90% of our threads are for not.

[Chef]

Although, let's be real: during this time of the year, 90% of our threads are for not.

hey, we're important people dammit.

[dnbman]

hey, we're important people dammit.

I like to think our thoughts cause subtle stirs in the universe.


Could just be indigestion.

[dav7z]

I thought we had til tomorrow night . All so i would be little sceard to take on LOPEZ.
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--nets--deal-for-magic-center-dwight-howard-jepoardized-after-cavs-withdraw.html;_ylt=AnAoe2JCHvG._KLo0aMeD23VPaB4

Im thinking thats what this artical is saying end of wensday .
Sorry this isn't what i was trying to copy

[mrfargo]

Hey, when i started this thread, there were no bobcats in the news. I like to think rick bonnell follows this site and puts rumors out there to make us happy. This thread has gone longer than I thought it would.

[ohara831]

Chris Sheridan just tweeted that his source says of Howard "It's all coming to a head." His translation : Howard will be dealt today. We will find out soon enough.

[ohara831]

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/8156575/2012-nba-free-agency-brooklyn-nets-set-resolve-dwight-howard-bid-source

The drama ends. One way or another, it will come down today.

[Scottley Crue]

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/8156575/2012-nba-free-agency-brooklyn-nets-set-resolve-dwight-howard-bid-source

The drama ends. One way or another, it will come down today.

When it does come to an end, we'll see another burst of movement around the league. I believe there's quite a few GM's and agents waiting for that domino to fall before they commit to anything. Even if we end up not being involved, I'd like it to be over if for no other reason than for things to go forward.

[dav7z]

So don't we have til the end of the day today be for newly signed free agents has to wait til Dec 15 to be traded, . Isn't that right ??

[SWedd523]

So don't we have til the end of the day today be for newly signed free agents has to wait til Dec 15 to be traded, . Isn't that right ??
I'm not sure if it's just today or what, but I know they're saying if the Nets sign Lopez they'll have to deal him immediately or wait until 12/15.

Might be because it's today, or you have to trade player X within 24 hours of signing him.

[captaincrunk]

I'm not sure if it's just today or what, but I know they're saying if the Nets sign Lopez they'll have to deal him immediately or wait until 12/15.

Might be because it's today, or you have to trade player X within 24 hours of signing him.

When you sign and trade, it's written in the contract where they'll report (what team they're traded to).

[dav7z]

When you sign and trade, it's written in the contract where they'll report (what team they're traded to).
So today isn;t the last day be for a Dec 15 trade deadline comes into effect be for thay can be moved to another team in a sign and trade.. Just asking because i really thought i read that in a artical last night . Guess i read it wrong

[Chef]

so i think i may have an idea on the lopez thing. as was already posted, it doesn't feel like a bobcats move, particularly a cho move. my guess is that we are asking for him in the trade and floating the rumor we would tender an offer sheet because it absolutely prevents the nets from trading for howard. it is the ultimate hardball move. give us our terms or not only do we walk but we take your ability to get howard away.

[captaincrunk]

So today isn;t the last day be for a Dec 15 trade deadline comes into effect be for thay can be moved to another team in a sign and trade.. Just asking because i really thought i read that in a artical last night . Guess i read it wrong

Well the nets have said that if they can't get a trade done by the end of the night tonight, they're just going to sign lopez and move on.

[dav7z]

This is something thet had the DEC thing on it . But its not the artical im talking about . Read this and let me know how you take it . I will keep trying to find that artical. Thanks for trying to help me understand this guys
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1254450-dwight-howard-rumors-nets-out-of-d12-sweepstakes-if-lopez-signs-max-deal

This one is what i was refering to read this and give me your openion of it , THANKS GUYS for help hear
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/brooklyn-nets-dwight-howard-trade-talks-remain-idle-team-faces-deadline-center-brook-lopez-article-1.1111887

[spectre]

I'm fairly sure the Dec. 15th date is the first day a team is allowed to trade any player that was signed in the offseason. It'd be the same date if Lopez was signed today or any other day before the season starts.

In a S&T the player is agreeing to be moved to the other team on a certain contract.

This gives the FAr a small assurance that he's signing with the team he actually wants to play with.

[westbrook08]

Well the nets have said that if they can't get a trade done by the end of the night tonight, they're just going to sign lopez and move on.

Well, i remember denver saying the same thing about trading melo to new york and sure enough,it happened at the deadline.I actually think it makes more sense to do it in december to see if lopez and howard are both healthy.And pretty much all of the guys who would be signed and traded would probably be back with brooklyn anyway.I think it's all posturing so brooklyn can make orlando cave.It could actually make it easier too because if lopez is resigned and humphries camp thinks this deal is dead then brooklyn might very well get him to sign another one year deal and then alot more teams would be willing to jump in on this in december.

[gm in training]

Are you serious!? Morrow is such a one dimensional player, sure he can shoot it well but he is a below average athlete, defender and everything else. Brooks has really good size, a great upper frame with a long wingspan which gives him good defensive potential. Also brooks can score in a multitude of ways. I remember watching him post up kemba and hendo and score over them, then a secodn later he would drain a 3 or go to the basket. Morrow might be a better role player, but I think Brooks is a very dangerous scorer, he can do it all

there both 6'5 and morrow is pure shooter who can also create

[BlockParty]

Well the nets have said that if they can't get a trade done by the end of the night tonight, they're just going to sign lopez and move on.


This is something thet had the DEC thing on it .


I'm fairly sure the Dec. 15th date is the first day a team is allowed to trade any player that was signed in the offseason. It'd be the same date if Lopez was signed today or any other day before the season starts.



Well, i remember denver saying the same thing about trading melo to new york and sure enough,it happened at the deadline.I actually think it makes more sense to do it in december to see if lopez and howard are both healthy.And pretty much all of the guys who would be signed and traded would probably be back with brooklyn anyway.I think it's all posturing so brooklyn can make orlando cave.It could actually make it easier too because if lopez is resigned and humphries camp thinks this deal is dead then brooklyn might very well get him to sign another one year deal and then alot more teams would be willing to jump in on this in december.

Take the source for what's it's worth, this guy covers NY area hoops..so he'd get grilled if he put up incorrect info:


@HowardBeckNYT
Brook Lopez re-signs w/Nets, now ineligible to be traded until Jan.15, under obscure CBA provision. Most FA signees can be dealt Dec. 15

[captaincrunk]

Take the source for what's it's worth, this guy covers NY area hoops..so he'd get grilled if he put up incorrect info:
Yeah I was just saying that teams do sign the player as part of the sign and trade, the contract just has a special clause in it when they're signed and traded instead of just signed.

[Hormel]

I want in on this trade IF we can take some of the bad contracts and get some of the future Rockets or Magic 1st rounders, they are both going to be bad teams in a year or two

[captaincrunk]

Well, i remember denver saying the same thing about trading melo to new york and sure enough,it happened at the deadline.I actually think it makes more sense to do it in december to see if lopez and howard are both healthy.And pretty much all of the guys who would be signed and traded would probably be back with brooklyn anyway.I think it's all posturing so brooklyn can make orlando cave.It could actually make it easier too because if lopez is resigned and humphries camp thinks this deal is dead then brooklyn might very well get him to sign another one year deal and then alot more teams would be willing to jump in on this in december.
yeah but that's denver and melo. melo was on the team and wanted off, they didn't have much choice. We're talking about the nets, who don't even have howard yet. They have options, unlike denver