Marshon Brooks

[CharlotteHornets]

Marshon Brooks played some PG toward the end of the season for the New Jersey Nets and I would love to see the Bobcats get in on that blockbuster trade and acquire Brooks. He is another player that can really score the basketball and could be another key acquisition in the complete retooling of the Bobcats roster. If the Bobcats are able to get in on that deal and get Brooks the way this offseason has shaped up the Bobcats have the potential to be a MUCH improved offensive team.

PG: Kemba Walker (5'11) - Marshon Brooks (6'5)
SG: Gerald Henderson (6'5) - Ben Gordon (6'3) - Reggie Williams (6'6)
SF: Michael Kidd-Gilchrist (6'7) - Jeffrey Taylor (6'7) - Derrick Brown (6'8)
PF: Antawn Jamison (6'9) - Tyrus Thomas (6'10)
C: Bismack Biyombo (6'9) - Byron Mullens (7'0)

I would much rather prefer Marshon Brooks on this roster than D.J. Augustin as the backup PG because he has no fear and with his size, length, and vertical jump he can get his shot whenever he wants from the PG position. D.J. just doesn't seem to have that type of confidence in his ability.

With this roster I could certainly see the Bobcats improving from last in the league averaging only 87ppg last season to averaging 97+ PPG...

Also, I believe Kidd-Gilchrist may be able to hide some of this teams rebounding deficiencies at the PF and C positions...

[DashGlobal]

Brooks is a SG....

With that said he is certainly an upgrade over Hendo.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYTAo99BeUs&feature=related

[MadBOBCATfanUK]

probably be giving up the Portland pick for him if we went in on that trade and maybe a future second i'd imagine, probably worth it though.

[Plowright]

I would never play him at PG, when he played PG last year he would dribble up the court and then hand it off straight away and god stand in a corner or run off a screen. Also dont forget behind Deron last year the nets struggled for a PG as Farmar was out for a lot of time. However, I would love to have him as he is a good player who can score in a lot of ways but more importantly as Cho Will see him, he is an asset which makes Gordon and Hendo and himself more expendable in trades. We could get him for Portland's 1st and then quite easily flip him for a higher pick in 2013 I think as he is part of a throw in with the DH trade which makes him worth a little less than a trade which was based on him

[Ghost Kat]

I don't know who he is. But I still think we need a scoring big man

[DashGlobal]

He is one of the young rising stars at the SG position. Id take him in a heartbeat.

Dude is a flat out scorer.

[Whiz Kid]

I'd take him and start him at 2. A sophomore backcourt of him and Kemba would be an upgrade.

[Chef]

right now he is an asset. cho is certainly in asset collection, youngs and 1 and 2 year decent vets. all available for trading to get more picks and/or better players. if he is as good as dash thinks, he makes hendo very expendable, if he is only as good, they are both filed in the asset category.

[ChuckHayes69]

I would take him in a heartbeat giving up one of our Portland/Detroit 1sts. I am a big fan and he is miles ahead of Hendo already with better potential. I see him as a 20+ ppg guy in a few years and exactly what we need at the 2 going forward. A young core of Brooks, MKG, Biz, and Kemba, with Hendo as a great 6th man (exactly what his role should be in my opinion) would have me very excited about this team's potential.

[Chef]

He is one of the young rising stars at the SG position. Id take him in a heartbeat.

Dude is a flat out scorer.

admittedly, don't know much about him past the highlight video, but from that he needs to get quicker with the ball. great scorer, mid-range guy, not very explosive with the ball though.

[westbrook08]

He's definitely a guy who can average 20 ppg in the near future.I would love to have him and hendo as our version of harden and sefalosha.Do it!

[skratch]

Dont want, im liking lance stephenson right now he can probably take both our guards job but pacers are probably gonna keep him

[ChuckHayes69]

Dont want, im liking lance stephenson right now he can probably take both our guards job but pacers are probably gonna keep him

So you like a guy who you admittedly don't think we can get, and because of that you don't want a guy who would have been our best player last year (for almost free)? Sound logic.

[captaincrunk]

Dont want, im liking lance stephenson right now he can probably take both our guards job but pacers are probably gonna keep him

he's not super good right now

[Plowright]

Remember Skratch that anyone can look good in Summer League, remember Chris Douglas Roberts putting up the scoring record in summer league of like 42 or something!? Where is he now? Europe... Also I have watched the games, yes Lance Stephenson has looked good and his showed better than expected court vision, but he uses his size to overpower opponents right now. Remember in the NBA people get bigger, stronger and better

[captaincrunk]

Remember Skratch that anyone can look good in Summer League, remember Chris Douglas Roberts putting up the scoring record in summer league of like 42 or something!? Where is he now? Europe... Also I have watched the games, yes Lance Stephenson has looked good and his showed better than expected court vision, but he uses his size to overpower opponents right now. Remember in the NBA people get bigger, stronger and better

Didn't Sherron Collins break a record too?

[BETCATS]

Brooks is better than Shrerron Collins, CDR, or Lance Stephenson. Stop those comparisons. But we'd have 0 use for him unless Henderson or Ben Gordon are moved. He is not a point guard and needs minutes to develop properly. We have too many shoot-first guards as it is we don't need to add another unless we subtract one too.

[dav7z]

If we got Brooks i would try a get the Spurs to give us Blair and a 2nd at the same time the Brooks deal went down. That would help address some of the need down low. But i all so wonder how much more value Hendo has than Brooks . Hendo seems to be really respected around the league.

[westbrook08]

We wouldn't have to trade hendo or gordon.Gordon is gonna be here this year and likely gets traded the following year as an expiring.And brooks and hendo would be a great set of young shooting guards to have in the future.

[DashGlobal]

Brooks is vastly more skilled than Hendo.

Id dumped Hendo in a heartbeat for Brooks.

[captaincrunk]

Brooks is vastly more skilled than Hendo.

Id dumped Hendo in a heartbeat for Brooks.

at what? check your stats dude, the only thing Brooks beat Hendo on was 3p%, and he was a 31% shooter. That isn't even 1 point per shot dude.

[DashGlobal]

at what? check your stats dude, the only thing Brooks beat Hendo on was 3p%, and he was a 31% shooter. That isn't even 1 point per shot dude.

Love when people try to use stats at face value.

I use the eye test.

Brooks is a better ball handler.

Brooks is a better shooter.

Brooks is a better scorer.

Brooks is way ahead of Hendo when you compare their rookie seasons and was comparable to Hendo last season in which it was Hendo's 3rd season and number one option for the Bobcats.

Its easy to see Brooks is a better player and prospect than Hendo.

[captaincrunk]

Love when people try to use stats at face value.

I use the eye test.

Brooks is a better ball handler.

Brooks is a better shooter.

Brooks is a better scorer.

Brooks is way ahead of Hendo when you compare their rookie seasons and was comparable to Hendo last season in which it was Hendo's 3rd season and number one option for the Bobcats.

Its easy to see Brooks is a better player and prospect than Hendo.

Hendo is only one year older than Brooks. People act like Brooks is 18 or something but he'll be 24 before the end of this next season.

So that means Hendo at his third year (the year YOU chose) was the same age as Brooks (in the year YOU chose). So good luck.

[gm in training]

at what? check your stats dude, the only thing Brooks beat Hendo on was 3p%, and he was a 31% shooter. That isn't even 1 point per shot dude.

just because brooks give's that image that he spreads the floor makes ppl think he's better or i know its just because he's not a bobcat , is what makes him so tantalizing to some ppl. brooks is in the mode of a kevin martin type player; a scorer who doesn't bring nothing else to the table, but he's suppose to be an upgrade over hendo who shot 46%(4th best among shooting guards), and has an all-around good game . i mean guys! hendo blocks shots ,besides wade what other guard offers weak side help ? we don't need any guards and if we do get brooks somebody is getting traded or falling out the rotation and it isnt gerald henderson.

[DashGlobal]

Hendo is only one year older than Brooks. People act like Brooks is 18 or something but he'll be 24 before the end of this next season.

So that means Hendo at his third year (the year YOU chose) was the same age as Brooks (in the year YOU chose). So good luck.

So Hendo's 2 extra years in the pro's don't mean much? smh....

Just for fun what makes Hendo a better player than Brooks? Better handle? Better shooter? Better scorer? Better passer?

[Potato]

probably be giving up the Portland pick for him if we went in on that trade and maybe a future second i'd imagine, probably worth it though.

That would definitely be worth it.

[DashGlobal]

Most people view Brooks as a potential star or solid SG prospect.

Hendo is viewed as nothing more than a solid 6th man on a good team.

[SWedd523]

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[gm in training]

So Hendo's 2 extra years in the pro's don't mean much? smh....

Just for fun what makes Hendo a better player than Brooks? Better handle? Better shooter? Better scorer? Better passer?

wow and i thought we were bobcat fans

[gm in training]

srry captain crunk , that was intended for dash global

[captaincrunk]

So Hendo's 2 extra years in the pro's don't mean much? smh....
He didn't get many minutes his first two years, not nearly as many as brooks. But if you think development works in real life like it does in 2k12 I'm not going to continue this conversation.

[DashGlobal]

just because brooks give's that image that he spreads the floor makes ppl think he's better or i know its just because he's not a bobcat , is what makes him so tantalizing to some ppl. brooks is in the mode of a kevin martin type player; a scorer who doesn't bring nothing else to the table, but he's suppose to be an upgrade over hendo who shot 46%(4th best among shooting guards), and has an all-around good game . i mean guys! hendo blocks shots ,besides wade what other guard offers weak side help ? we don't need any guards and if we do get brooks somebody is getting traded or falling out the rotation and it isnt gerald henderson.

What makes Brooks tantalizing is that people think / see him as a 20ppg scorer in the league. A young rising stud SG.

Hendo's all around good game? Except his god awful 3pt shooting and his shaky handle?

[captaincrunk]

Brooks with his 31% 3pt shooting isn't scaring anyone.

[DashGlobal]

He didn't get many minutes his first two years, not nearly as many as brooks. But if you think development works in real life like it does in 2k12 I'm not going to continue this conversation.

He learned from NBA coaches. He practiced against far better competition. Experienced the NBA 1st hand for 2 more years than Brooks.

You are down playing his first 2 years in the league. Regardless of PT it counts for something.

[DashGlobal]

Brooks with his 31% 3pt shooting isn't scaring anyone.

That isnt what scares people. Its his crafty scoring ability.

Hence why people view him as a potential 20ppg scorer.

Who views Hendo as a 20ppg scorer outside of a few Bobcats homers?

[captaincrunk]

He learned from NBA coaches. He practiced against far better competition. Experienced the NBA 1st hand for 2 more years than Brooks.

You are down playing his first 2 years in the league. Regardless of PT it counts for something.

and you're downplaying Brooks's age. He was an old rookie this year.

[DashGlobal]

and you're downplaying Brooks's age. He was an old rookie this year.

Age? Dude was a rookie and played well and showed promise.

Now if he was 30 - 35 years old id be concerned.....

[gm in training]

What makes Brooks tantalizing is that people think / see him as a 20ppg scorer in the league. A young rising stud SG.

Hendo's all around good game? Except his god awful 3pt shooting and his shaky handle?

good or great scorers are not good or even average 3 point shooters. kobe,lebron,wade,mcgrady,iverson,rose and etc... were never good 3 point shooters ,and the only exception is maybe kevin durant . look at all the top scoring leaders from the past years and you will notice that all good/scorers have vast scoring options and are high volume free throw shooters. marshon doesn't equate to none of the above,at best he may be a poor man's jamal crawford or kevin martin.

[captaincrunk]

Age? Dude was a rookie and played well and showed promise.

Now if he was 30 - 35 years old id be concerned.....

It still matters. Development is development. If he was 18 doing those things, you wouldn't be more impressed? Brooks might be a "better ball handler" but he sure does turn the ball over more than Henderson.

Let's just say, I'm glad you're just some dude on the internet and not actually in charge of any sort of trading or scouting.

[dav7z]

If we got Brooks i would try a get the Spurs to give us Blair and a 2nd at the same time the Brooks deal went down. That would help address some of the need down low. But i all so wonder how much more value Hendo has than Brooks . Hendo seems to be really respected around the league.

I really don't think any one is going to win this debate , Sorry now i was wornding about Hendos value . Facts are Brooks is a asset, and Cho and our coaching staff would determine what to do if we are lucky enough to get him . So lets just hope Cho takes the Nets for ever thing we can get.

[DashGlobal]

good or great scorers are not good or even average 3 point shooters. kobe,lebron,wade,mcgrady,iverson,rose and etc... were never good 3 point shooters ,and the only exception is maybe kevin durant . look at all the top scoring leaders from the past years and you will notice that all good/scorers have vast scoring options and are high volume free throw shooters. marshon doesn't equate to none of the above,at best he may be a poor man's jamal crawford or kevin martin.

3pt shooting is only ONE way to score. Great scorers are generally good at attacking the basket (which draws fouls) and scoring in a variety of ways.

We will just have agree to disagree on Brooks. I see him as a 20ppg scorer in 1-3 years.

[DashGlobal]

It still matters. Development is development. If he was 18 doing those things, you wouldn't be more impressed? Brooks might be a "better ball handler" but he sure does turn the ball over more than Henderson.

Let's just say, I'm glad you're just some dude on the internet and not actually in charge of any sort of trading or scouting.

Is Brooks an upgrade over Hendo?

Either your a Hendo homer or extremely optimistic lol

[captaincrunk]

Is Brooks an upgrade over Hendo?

Either your a Hendo homer or extremely optimistic lol

I'm telling you that Brooks looks like a role player. Points off the bench.

Maybe you should consider that you're "extremely optimistic" about Brooks.

[dav7z]

I'm telling you that Brooks looks like a role player. Points off the bench.

Maybe you should consider that you're "extremely optimistic" about Brooks.
Just disagree captain its no need to continue this

[Whiz Kid]

I'm telling you that Brooks looks like a role player. Points off the bench.

Maybe you should consider that you're "extremely optimistic" about Brooks.

If you're talking about on a good team, then you are saying that Hendo is more than a role player?

[captaincrunk]

If you're talking about on a good team, then you are saying that Hendo is more than a role player?

Hendo is a 2 way player. 2 way players make for starters. Brooks has flash. The one thing brooks is supposed to be better at, he wasn't (shooting the ball and scoring). Hendo was more efficient and dropped more points. Both are still improving so there's really no way to say definitively "this person will be this kind of player" or anything, but that's how I see it.

[westbrook08]

Hendo is a good player.No doubt.But brooks was a rookie who was able to step on the court and create his own shot from day 1 in the nba and he's only gonna get better.We don't have anyone on this current roster other than kemba who can do that.And kemba should not be expected to be our primary scorer and run the point.Brooks would vastly upgrade this team and give us a tremendous set of young wing players with he and mkg.

[Ghost Kat]

Is Brooks an upgrade over Hendo?

Either your a Hendo homer or extremely optimistic lol

Maybe you have a man crush on Brooks...

[gm in training]

3pt shooting is only ONE way to score. Great scorers are generally good at attacking the basket (which draws fouls) and scoring in a variety of ways.

We will just have agree to disagree on Brooks. I see him as a 20ppg scorer in 1-3 years.


being a 20 point scorer isn't as far fetch as many think. just like a 1,000 yard runner only needs to avg 63 yards a game, a 20 point scorer can be no more than a person who shoots more than 25 attempts a game, alot like westbrook ,brandon jennings, and granger. these players are not efficient ,but high volume shooters always travel to 3-4 teams in their prime years because they are team chemistry killers. the new cba may have complicated player movements but in the mid 00's players of that magnitude were on their 3-4th team by 32(end of prime for most)ex; marbury,baron davis, ,stackhouse,,kevin martin,jamal crawford, basically high volume /non efficient shooters who aren't 2 way players don't last long and are at premium so u can keep brooks,we don't need him. kobe,iverson(attitude messed up career),and mcgrady (because of injuries fell off) were high volume shooters but they also was elite defenders making em elite players. i didn't mention lebron or wade because even though they are high volume shooters but also are 2 of the most efficient/great defending players of their positions.

[gm in training]

Hendo is a good player.No doubt.But brooks was a rookie who was able to step on the court and create his own shot from day 1 in the nba and he's only gonna get better.We don't have anyone on this current roster other than kemba who can do that.And kemba should not be expected to be our primary scorer and run the point.Brooks would vastly upgrade this team and give us a tremendous set of young wing players with he and mkg.

i don't understand how hendo(24) a first year starting 2-way player who avg 15 pts and who shot 46% ,doesn't equate to an future all-star ,but brooks(23) who is a one dimensional soph who avg 12 pts while shooting 42% makes him a better prospect? im so confused lol .

[ziggy]

I believe dav7z has the right angle on this. It doesn't matter at all which one is better than the other. Brooks is an asset and if we have the chance to get him without giving up much then we absolutely should.

We need assets.

[captaincrunk]

his rookie contract would be super tradeable too

[gm in training]

I believe dav7z has the right angle on this. It doesn't matter at all which one is better than the other. Brooks is an asset and if we have the chance to get him without giving up much then we absolutely should.

We need assets.
i agree completely

[westbrook08]

i don't understand how hendo(24) a first year starting 2-way player who avg 15 pts and who shot 46% ,doesn't equate to an future all-star ,but brooks(23) who is a one dimensional soph who avg 12 pts while shooting 42% makes him a better prospect? im so confused lol .

Because your trying to use stats to compare a rookie who hasn't even played a full season to an established player.It makes no sense.You just need to watch brooks play more.He has all the intangibles and is a pure scorer,which hendo will never be.I think he has future star written all over him.

[gm in training]

Because your trying to use stats to compare a rookie who hasn't even played a full season to an established player.It makes no sense.You just need to watch brooks play more.He has all the intangibles and is a pure scorer,which hendo will never be.I think he has future star written all over him.

gerald sat the bench during the larry brown era ,so this is technically his soph year .if brooks was drafted on a larry brown team ,would he even be relevant rite now because larry is known for sitting prospects and brooks would of took at least 2-3 years to even break the rotation . i think you need to watch henderson play more then you will understand that he is one of the best mid-range guards in the league ,so hendo isn't limited to only being a slasher . look at the month of april and you will see what hendo is capable of also check out the gerald henderson vs bucks youtube vid

[DashGlobal]

gerald sat the bench during the larry brown era ,so this is technically his soph year .if brooks was drafted on a larry brown team ,would he even be relevant rite now because larry is known for sitting prospects and brooks would of took at least 2-3 years to even break the rotation . i think you need to watch henderson play more then you will understand that he is one of the best mid-range guards in the league ,so hendo isn't limited to only being a slasher . look at the month of april and you will see what hendo is capable of also check out the gerald henderson vs bucks youtube vid

hendo isnt even a slasher. he is a mid range jump shooter for the most part.

[dnbman]

hendo isnt even a slasher. he is a mid range jump shooter for the most part.

That's more from disposition than ability. When Hendo was in attack mode at the end of the year, he was a pretty formidable slasher. He certainly has the skills.

[DashGlobal]

That's more from disposition than ability. When Hendo was in attack mode at the end of the year, he was a pretty formidable slasher. He certainly has the skills.

He needs to improve his handle to really excel as a slasher. Sure he does it on occasion but for the most part he gets the bulk of his points in the half court off mid range jumpers.

[Zoolander]

All I know about him is what the Inside the NBA crew talked about. Kenny and Charles seemed to love the guy. So I'd take a flyer on him if it's reasonable.

[dnbman]

He needs to improve his handle to really excel as a slasher. Sure he does it on occasion but for the most part he gets the bulk of his points in the half court off mid range jumpers.

That may be true, but I think he's more of a 2-3 dribble type to go around a man or cut between a few guys than he is a break-your-ankles type. He'll never be Kobe, but he can get around guys to get to the rim.

[westbrook08]

gerald sat the bench during the larry brown era ,so this is technically his soph year .if brooks was drafted on a larry brown team ,would he even be relevant rite now because larry is known for sitting prospects and brooks would of took at least 2-3 years to even break the rotation . i think you need to watch henderson play more then you will understand that he is one of the best mid-range guards in the league ,so hendo isn't limited to only being a slasher . look at the month of april and you will see what hendo is capable of also check out the gerald henderson vs bucks youtube vid
I go to games and have seen hendo play plenty.And yes he is a decent mid range guy But brooks is a pure scorer.There is a big difference.Hendo for the most part either scores on dunks or 15 footers,whereas a guy like brooks can get his own shot,go to the rack,and pretty much score anywhere on the court.Gerald can be a very good player,i'm not denying that.But he will never be a pure scorer in the mold of a guy like brooks.And guys like him are very hard to find in the nba.And it's twice as hard to get one into a market like charlotte.We should take advantage and get this kid if we can and worry about the rotation later.

[DashGlobal]

I go to games and have seen hendo play plenty.And yes he is a decent mid range guy But brooks is a pure scorer.There is a big difference.Hendo for the most part either scores on dunks or 15 footers,whereas a guy like brooks can get his own shot,go to the rack,and pretty much score anywhere on the court.Gerald can be a very good player,i'm not denying that.But he will never be a pure scorer in the mold of a guy like brooks.And guys like him are very hard to find in the nba.And it's twice as hard to get one into a market like charlotte.We should take advantage and get this kid if we can and worry about the rotation later.

Good luck getting an objective take on this subject. To many Gerald homers here....

Im glad to see someone understands and sees the difference between Brooks and Hendo

[SWedd523]

Oh the irony

[captaincrunk]

Good luck getting an objective take on this subject. To many Gerald homers here....

Im glad to see someone understands and sees the difference between Brooks and Hendo

can we say fool on this website? If so:

You're a fool. I pity you.

If not:

Beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeep

[DashGlobal]

can we say fool on this website? If so:

You're a fool. I pity you.

If not:

Beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeep

Likewise :)

[spectre]

Actually we try to be pretty decent to each other. Ultimately want the same thing and all that.

[gm in training]

wow, marshon brooks scored 3 points(0-10) w/ 4 to's in a summer league game vs orlando and 13 points against the celtics on 5-11 shooting .he's suppose to be an nba starter but he's not even producing against sub-level comp.teams aren't even interested in trading for brooks ,he's a prospect who was forced to start because of injuries and a lack of a 2nd scorer on a bad team .

[DashGlobal]

wow, marshon brooks scored 3 points(0-10) w/ 4 to's in a summer league game vs orlando and 13 points against the celtics on 5-11 shooting .he's suppose to be an nba starter but he's not even producing against sub-level comp.teams aren't even interested in trading for brooks ,he's a prospect who was forced to start because of injuries and a lack of a 2nd scorer on a bad team .

summer league, summer league.....

[dav7z]

Good luck getting an objective take on this subject. To many Gerald homers here....

Im glad to see someone understands and sees the difference between Brooks and Hendo
Ive tried nice , Ziggy has tried nice , SWedd has tried nice twice , Spectre has tried nice , We don't attack each other personal around hear .
So would you please tone it down a notch............

[DashGlobal]

Ive tried nice , Ziggy has tried nice , SWedd has tried nice twice , Spectre has tried nice , We don't attack each other personal around hear .
So would you please tone it down a notch............

Prob better off telling that to the posters that throw out personal insults directly. Note the guy calling me a fool above. (Not that is bothers me)

But I prb shouldnt have made a general statement about "homers".

As we know, people's sensitivity levels vary lol

[dav7z]

Prob better off telling that to the posters that throw out personal insults directly. Note the guy calling me a fool above. (Not that is bothers me)

But I prb shouldnt have made a general statement about "homers".

As we know, people's sensitivity levels vary lol

Im not talking about just you but all thease insults thet are flying around lately. Guys please tone it down. SWedd has all ready closed one thread down today . Lets just have level headed discussions

[captaincrunk]

Actually we try to be pretty decent to each other. Ultimately want the same thing and all that.

Yeah, but fool is my favorite word after breast pump :(

[westbrook08]

We can just use different words.From now on when someone makes me mad i'm gonna say "hey you, your a fluffy bunny"! lol.