An Opportunity to Complete the Roster Revamp

[CharlotteHornets]

I believe if the Bobcats can be the facilitator of the Brooklyn Nets and Orlando Magic deal it will give the Bobcats an opportunity to complete the revamping of their roster. It is a multi-step process but I believe it is actually very realistic:

The Bobcats get Kris Humphries, Marshon Brooks, Sundiata Gaines, 1st Round Pick from New Jersey, and $5 Millon Cash from Brooklyn. The Bobcats would give Orlando Portland's 1st Round Pick whenever it is conveyed to the Bobcats.

Then, the Bobcats would use the $5 Millon to pay a majority of the expense to amnesty Tyrus Thomas.

Then, sign Antawn Jamison as a free agent to a 2-year deal.

Finally, trade Gana Diop's expiring contract and Gerald Henderson to the Oklahoma City Thunder for Kendrick Perkins, Eric Maynor, and a 1st Round Pick.

That would leave the Bobcats roster looking like:

PG: Kemba Walker (6'0) - Eric Maynor (6'3) - Sundiata Gaines (6'1)
SG: Marshon Brooks (6'5) - Ben Gordon (6'3) - Reggie Williams (6'6)
SF: Michael Kidd-Gilchrist (6'7) - Jeffrey Taylor (6'7) - Derrick Brown (6'8)
PF: Kris Humphries (6'9) - Antawn Jamison (6'9) - Byron Mullens (7'0)
C: Bismack Biyombo (6'9) - Kendrick Perkins (6'10) - Byron Mullens (7'0)

All of the sudden I think that roster has A LOT of good pieces! The Bobcats would still have a Top 5 Pick in the 2013 Draft and then have an opportunity to make the Playoffs in 2014.

[captaincrunk]

All I'm going to say right now is that Perkins would start over Biyombo...

[westbrook08]

No way in hell okc does that deal.But i do want too add brooks and humphries.That would be a good young starting 5 to begin building around.

[captaincrunk]

No way in hell okc does that deal.But i do want too add brooks and humphries.That would be a good young starting 5 to begin building around.

I didn't even notice how bad the deal was for them haha

[BlockParty]

Then, the Bobcats would use the $5 Millon to pay a majority of the expense to amnesty Tyrus Thomas.

The Bobcats would still have a Top 5 Pick in the 2013 Draft and then have an opportunity to make the Playoffs in 2014.

We owe Tyrus $26M, I'm not sure how $5M is the majority of that, it's not even 20%. MJ is on record saying that deciding to amnesty a player is no different then paying luxury tax, both of which he's not willing to do until it makes us a championship contender (not a top 25 team in a league with 30 teams).


Finally, trade Gana Diop's expiring contract and Gerald Henderson to the Oklahoma City Thunder for Kendrick Perkins, Eric Maynor, and a 1st Round Pick.

OKC has built their empire by some luck in the lottery, smart draft choices and intelligent trades. No way they make that trade. And the Bobcats take on $17M in additional salaries....for Perkins? It doesn't make sense for either team.

[Whiz Kid]

Problem with this is that theres no way that the Bobcats will become the facilitator in the Nets, Orlando trade. We can threaten to not participate, but that'd be our loss. Orlando is already exploring other possibilities and won't lose sleep over the Bobcats not wanting to be the third team.

[CharlotteHornets]

No way in hell okc does that deal.But i do want too add brooks and humphries.That would be a good young starting 5 to begin building around.

That deal is not bad deal for OKC - They are dying to get rid of Perkins big contract so that they can have as much room as possible to try to resign Harden and Ibaka after this season.

They would be getting 2 expiring contracts in Diop and Henderson in exchange for the Bobcats taking on 2 additional years at $8 million dollars per season in Perkins contract...VERY FEW teams have room to absorb Perkins salary...

[CharlotteHornets]

We owe Tyrus $26M, I'm not sure how $5M is the majority of that, it's not even 20%. MJ is on record saying that deciding to amnesty a player is no different then paying luxury tax, both of which he's not willing to do until it makes us a championship contender (not a top 25 team in a league with 30 teams).



OKC has built their empire by some luck in the lottery, smart draft choices and intelligent trades. No way they make that trade. And the Bobcats take on $17M in additional salaries....for Perkins? It doesn't make sense for either team.

The way the amnesty clause works you are only responsible for the NEXT Season of the players salary which for Tyrus is $8 Million - Also, OKC has built their team and they are a great young one now they need to keep the core pieces they have attained which includes Ibaka and Harden whom they will need all the salary cap space possible to resign after this season - hence getting rid of Perkins...

[CharlotteHornets]

Problem with this is that theres no way that the Bobcats will become the facilitator in the Nets, Orlando trade. We can threaten to not participate, but that'd be our loss. Orlando is already exploring other possibilities and won't lose sleep over the Bobcats not wanting to be the third team.

There are rumors floating around that they have already offered to play that role...I don't see any reason why they would not follow through...

[Whiz Kid]

That deal is not bad deal for OKC - They are dying to get rid of Perkins big contract so that they can have as much room as possible to try to resign Harden and Ibaka after this season.

They would be getting 2 expiring contracts in Diop and Henderson in exchange for the Bobcats taking on 2 additional years at $8 million dollars per season in Perkins contract...VERY FEW teams have room to absorb Perkins salary...

We really have no need for Perk here. He's a defensive minded and tough player, but so is Biz. It's not that great of a deal for either side.

[CableBoxCat]

The Bobcats get Kris Humphries, Marshon Brooks, Sundiata Gaines, 1st Round Pick from New Jersey, and $5 Millon Cash from Brooklyn. The Bobcats would give Orlando Portland's 1st Round Pick whenever it is conveyed to the Bobcats.

I don't really understand the first part of your proposal. So we would end up with Jersey's pick, and Orlando would end up with Portland's? So basically we're getting Humphries, Brooks, Gaines, and $5 million cash and we only have to move down a few picks??? or does one of those guys have a really egregious contract we'd have to take on, and that's why Jersey/Orlando would do this?


Then, the Bobcats would use the $5 Millon to pay a majority of the expense to amnesty Tyrus Thomas.

Then, sign Antawn Jamison as a free agent to a 2-year deal.Do we even need to amnesty Tyrus in order to sign Jamison? I thought we had plenty of cap space. Why would you amnesty a guy before you need the cap space?

[Whiz Kid]

There are rumors floating around that they have already offered to play that role...I don't see any reason why they would not follow through...

When you say facilitator, you're saying to make it to OUR advantage. If we try to demand things, they walk. If we're the third team, we only get assets just to make the trade's cap balance.

[BlockParty]

The way the amnesty clause works you are only responsible for the NEXT Season of the players salary which for Tyrus is $8 Million - Also, OKC has built their team and they are a great young one now they need to keep the core pieces they have attained which includes Ibaka and Harden whom they will need all the salary cap space possible to resign after this season - hence getting rid of Perkins...

It'd be great if you can come up with a link to your understanding of the amnesty clause works. No way the Players Association would've gone with that. The player gets every last cent of the money, the only benefit the team gets is that player's salary no longer counts toward the salary cap. MJ still has to pay the full $26M.

I'll let your logic that Diop + Hendo = Perkins + Maynor + 1st round Pick....stand on it's own.

[SWedd523]

The way the amnesty works is you're on the hook for their entire salary. It just comes of the payroll. Tyrus would still get his full payment

[CharlotteHornets]

We really have no need for Perk here. He's a defensive minded and tough player, but so is Biz. It's not that great of a deal for either side.

I think the Cats need Perk because we were one of the worst rebounding teams in the NBA last season and gave up WAY too many easy drives to the rim. Perkins will give added rebounding and great toughness to the D...not to mention I think Perkins could be a GREAT mentor for Biyombo...

[captaincrunk]

The way the amnesty works is you're on the hook for their entire salary. It just comes of the payroll. Tyrus would still get his full payment

Minus, of course, whatever NBA salary they get from other teams during that time period.

[Felton for Prez]

I don't really understand the first part of your proposal. So we would end up with Jersey's pick, and Orlando would end up with Portland's? So basically we're getting Humphries, Brooks, Gaines, and $5 million cash and we only have to move down a few picks??? or does one of those guys have a really egregious contract we'd have to take on, and that's why Jersey/Orlando would do this?

This. ^^^^

No way we get all that by swapping 1st rounders.

[dnbman]

Minus, of course, whatever NBA salary they get from other teams during that time period.

Right, but we'd still be paying a lot of money over the next three seasons for nothing, other than to have him gone. It would be far better to trade him than amnesty him.
Of course, if we don't amnesty one of the expiring contract guys this year, Tyrus would be the only person left we could amnesty.

[tamburello]

I believe if the Bobcats can be the facilitator of the Brooklyn Nets and Orlando Magic deal it will give the Bobcats an opportunity to complete the revamping of their roster. It is a multi-step process but I believe it is actually very realistic:


Everybody suggests something "realistic" in their own understanding of situation. This is valid for all teams' supporters. So why the 80% percent of the league still suck badly, while only a handful of teams get gigantic contracts, collect superstars and become superpowers?

In the way I see things, it's not because of all sucking teams' officials are idiots and they cannot think of what we think, but because what supporters generally suggest are not as realistic as we believe. That's all I want to say. It's not easy to become a championship contender, it's never easy to build through draft unless some idiot GM hands you a player named Kevin Durant (Greg Oden's injury is not the point, anyway Durant would have been super superstar, everybody knew it).

The only formula to be a contender is to get a first overall pick in 3 years or to get a couple of top-3 picks in consecutive drafts, rather than producing all this kind of theories and saving trade plans. If you believe in God, you can start praying.

And as a sidenote, the cash used in the trades cannot exceed $3.1 million (http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q94), we can start being realistic by fixing that. And as other guys mentioned, amnesty is not something that saves you from paying this year's payroll to player, you pay all of the remaining years. And sir, please do not be offended by my comments, I mentioned a general fan manner, it's never personal.

[superb1]

Everybody suggests something "realistic" in their own understanding of situation. This is valid for all teams' supporters. So why the 80% percent of the league still suck badly, while only a handful of teams get gigantic contracts, collect superstars and become superpowers?

In the way I see things, it's not because of all sucking teams' officials are idiots and they cannot think of what we think, but because what supporters generally suggest are not as realistic as we believe. That's all I want to say. It's not easy to become a championship contender, it's never easy to build through draft unless some idiot GM hands you a player named Kevin Durant (Greg Oden's injury is not the point, anyway Durant would have been super superstar, everybody knew it).

The only formula to be a contender is to get a first overall pick in 3 years or to get a couple of top-3 picks in consecutive drafts, rather than producing all this kind of theories and saving trade plans. If you believe in God, you can start praying.

And as a sidenote, the cash used in the trades cannot exceed $3.1 million (http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q94), we can start being realistic by fixing that. And as other guys mentioned, amnesty is not something that saves you from paying this year's payroll to player, you pay all of the remaining years. And sir, please do not be offended by my comments, I mentioned a general fan manner, it's never personal.

Well stated

[Plowright]

Yeah I was going to say about cash not being able exceed 3.1 mill due to the new CBA, but you beat me to it.

But more importantly that team would just be another 7-8th seed to me, I dont see that team winning that many games to be considered a contender

[SWedd523]

Look at tamb stepping out of the shadows to drop some knowledge!

[dav7z]

Everybody suggests something "realistic" in their own understanding of situation. This is valid for all teams' supporters. So why the 80% percent of the league still suck badly, while only a handful of teams get gigantic contracts, collect superstars and become superpowers?

In the way I see things, it's not because of all sucking teams' officials are idiots and they cannot think of what we think, but because what supporters generally suggest are not as realistic as we believe. That's all I want to say. It's not easy to become a championship contender, it's never easy to build through draft unless some idiot GM hands you a player named Kevin Durant (Greg Oden's injury is not the point, anyway Durant would have been super superstar, everybody knew it).

The only formula to be a contender is to get a first overall pick in 3 years or to get a couple of top-3 picks in consecutive drafts, rather than producing all this kind of theories and saving trade plans. If you believe in God, you can start praying.

And as a sidenote, the cash used in the trades cannot exceed $3.1 million (http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q94), we can start being realistic by fixing that. And as other guys mentioned, amnesty is not something that saves you from paying this year's payroll to player, you pay all of the remaining years. And sir, please do not be offended by my comments, I mentioned a general fan manner, it's never personal.

I wish we could sticky post the never ending saleries Tamb keeps curent like we use to .. Got to love all the basketball genis and knowledge we gained from that

ATT . Tamb and other mods lol

[spectre]

All of Tam's words of wisdom should be put in a stickied thread. I can't tell you how many times I have to look up some of the stuff he just tosses out there.

[tamburello]

Your kind words have really delighted me, I found them a little exaggerated though, especially the sticking suggestions :) I'm just another guy who will never ever see an NBA game live, and still talking about the stuff. But thanks anyway.

My resurfacing might have created some curiosity about what I was doing. In order not to go off topic here, I've just started a thread and mentioned about my last couple of years and a few more things, you can check: http://www.bobcatsplanet.com/vb/showthread.php?14087-The-quot-What-are-you-doing-recently-quot-Thread&p=222744#post222744

[gm in training]

I believe if the Bobcats can be the facilitator of the Brooklyn Nets and Orlando Magic deal it will give the Bobcats an opportunity to complete the revamping of their roster. It is a multi-step process but I believe it is actually very realistic:

The Bobcats get Kris Humphries, Marshon Brooks, Sundiata Gaines, 1st Round Pick from New Jersey, and $5 Millon Cash from Brooklyn. The Bobcats would give Orlando Portland's 1st Round Pick whenever it is conveyed to the Bobcats.

Then, the Bobcats would use the $5 Millon to pay a majority of the expense to amnesty Tyrus Thomas.

Then, sign Antawn Jamison as a free agent to a 2-year deal.

Finally, trade Gana Diop's expiring contract and Gerald Henderson to the Oklahoma City Thunder for Kendrick Perkins, Eric Maynor, and a 1st Round Pick.

That would leave the Bobcats roster looking like:

PG: Kemba Walker (6'0) - Eric Maynor (6'3) - Sundiata Gaines (6'1)
SG: Marshon Brooks (6'5) - Ben Gordon (6'3) - Reggie Williams (6'6)
SF: Michael Kidd-Gilchrist (6'7) - Jeffrey Taylor (6'7) - Derrick Brown (6'8)
PF: Kris Humphries (6'9) - Antawn Jamison (6'9) - Byron Mullens (7'0)
C: Bismack Biyombo (6'9) - Kendrick Perkins (6'10) - Byron Mullens (7'0)

All of the sudden I think that roster has A LOT of good pieces! The Bobcats would still have a Top 5 Pick in the 2013 Draft and then have an opportunity to make the Playoffs in 2014.

horrible trade for the bobcats . first, marshon isn't a starter ,he's a one-dimensional role player ,he doesn't offer any defense or rebounding ,also he's not that good as a scorer as portrayed (he shot 41% and 31% from the 3 ). if hendo magically did leave ben gordon would start over him because he's also one-dimensional but more of a pure scorer than brooks .shoot, if ben gordon magically leaves ,reggie williams is a better pure scorer.2nd, bismack offers alot more than perkins does, he can do everything that perkins can but better also bismack runs the floor and has shown the ability to guard smaller players.the thunder could't find a way to the fit perkins in their defensive schemes ,alot of the time they had ibacka playing the center and durant at pf cause perkins was a liability on offense and defense , not to mention that contract sucks .3rd, tyrus will not get amnestied for 5 mil, if not at all.

[gm in training]

.3rd, tyrus will not get amnestied for 5 mil, if not at all. my bad i didn't fully read it all the way, you said that they will use the 5 million towards the amnesty but still he's not getting amnestied because he's still one of the most gifted players in the nba at the age of 25.

[dnbman]

my bad i didn't fully read it all the way, you said that will us the 5 million towards the amnesty but still he's not getting amnestied because he's still one of the most gifted players in the nba at the age of 25.

The only reason he isn't being amnestied is because the Bobcats would eat $25M less what another team pays him. No way he's getting half of that on the market. Look at the Michael Beasley deal for high potential head-case tweeners.

That's an awfully strong statement about Tyrus. I'm not sure you'd find many people not related to Tyrus or on his payroll that would agree with you.

[gm in training]

The only reason he isn't being amnestied is because the Bobcats would eat $25M less what another team pays him. No way he's getting half of that on the market. Look at the Michael Beasley deal for high potential head-case tweeners.

That's an awfully strong statement about Tyrus. I'm not sure you'd find many people not related to Tyrus or on his payroll that would agree with you.

michael beasley had alot of off-court drama,also if he had the same contract as tyrus he may still be on the wolves.tyrus had a few on-court situations , nothing that cant be corrected also statically this was tyrus worst year,because his pryor years he had were very productive seasons based off minutes and avg. one season shouldn't break a player

[SWedd523]

I'd say almost getting your ass beat by your 70 year old coach counts as "off-court drama". I would also say it's worse than being a pothead

[gm in training]

I'd say almost getting your ass beat by your 70 year old coach counts as "off-court drama". I would also say it's worse than being a pothead

coaches and players have been getting into heated and almost physical situations for years , thats what comes with being a competitor . we all are grown men that doesn't keep players or coaches from becoming any less just ask bobby knight,latrell sprewell,terrell owens( i have to say to last in the nfl for 15 years is pretty successful),wade and spolestra ,carmelo and george karl, iverson and brown, i got like ten more examples . off-court issues get athletes kicked and black balled ,and just for the record beasley punched a man , got caught several times with weed, and even publicly contemplated suicide . damn im good

[SWedd523]

How many players stepped to Bobby Knight's face?

Latrell Spreewell was an all-star, not a bum like Tyrus

Terrell Owens' issues were with quarterbacks, I don't remember him ever getting face to face with a head coach, was also a star unlike the bum Tyrus

Wade talked shit and walked off, there was no altercation, was also a star unlike the bum Tyrus

Melo and Karl badmouthed eachother to the media, never got remotely close to physical, was also a star unlike the bum Tyrus

Iverson and Brown loved each other, and he was a star unlike the bum Tyrus

And for Beasley to have so many off the court issues, that apparently get people blackballed, he signed a pretty nice deal.... didn't get blackballed.


Damn you're good. #whosfault #workharder

[gm in training]

How many players stepped to Bobby Knight's face?

Latrell Spreewell was an all-star, not a bum like Tyrus

Terrell Owens' issues were with quarterbacks, I don't remember him ever getting face to face with a head coach, was also a star unlike the bum Tyrus

Wade talked shit and walked off, there was no altercation, was also a star unlike the bum Tyrus

Melo and Karl badmouthed eachother to the media, never got remotely close to physical, was also a star unlike the bum Tyrus

Iverson and Brown loved each other, and he was a star unlike the bum Tyrus

And for Beasley to have so many off the court issues, that apparently get people blackballed, he signed a pretty nice deal.... didn't get blackballed.


Damn you're good. #whosfault #workharder

first of all me nor u was there for the silas -tyrus altercation, 2nd one-bad season doesn't make you a bum. beasley was a few millions away from getting the same contract marcus camby got at half the age,the lakers or mavericks didn't even pursue him and god knows they need some youth,also omar asik got 3yr-25mil and he was a role player, batum got almost a max contract based off potential and he's nowhere as a established as beasley's career, um yeah he's been blackmailed. terrell owens got in gregg napps (his oc) face on tv, melo refused to come out of games,iverson ousted brown from philly.

[SWedd523]

first of all me nor u was there for the silas -tyrus altercation,
Charlotte Bobcats coach Paul Silas shoved 6-foot-10 forward Tyrus Thomas after a postgame screaming match Sunday night, league sources told Yahoo! Sports.

The Bobcats' Paul Silas and Tyrus Thomas were each fined for an altercation last week.

Several players intervened immediately and separated the coach and player, and no punches were thrown, sources said.

Silas, 68, had been incensed with Thomas chatting with some Boston Celtics players on the court, and lashed out at him in the losing locker room afterward. Eventually, Thomas snapped back at Silas, and the coach warned him to say no more or risk a suspension.

Once Thomas stood up, Silas pushed him toward his locker stall, sources said.


2nd one-bad season doesn't make you a bum.
No but career averages of 7.9 and 5.0 while making nearly $30 million already with much more to come... does


beasley was a few millions away from getting the same contract marcus camby got at half the age,the lakers or mavericks didn't even pursue him and god knows they need some youth
The Lakers were seven minutes from getting Michael Beasley.


Then the plug was pulled by Minnesota owner Glen Taylor on an agreed-upon trade, canceling a three-team transaction that would have sent Derek Fisher to Minnesota, not Houston, according to an NBA official who is not authorized to speak publicly.


In the nixed deal, the Lakers would have sent Portland the first-round pick they obtained from Dallas in the Lamar Odom trade. Portland would have sent Jamal Crawford to Minnesota, and Minnesota would have sent Anthony Tolliver to Portland. The Lakers and Portland would have also given an undisclosed amount of cash to Minnesota.


he's been blackmailed.
Rick Pitino blackmailed or Mark Jackson blackmailed?


terrell owens got in gregg napps (his oc) face on tv
Please link to proof


melo refused to come out of games
Since that's the same thing and all


iverson ousted brown from philly.
untrue

[gm in training]

Rick Pitino blackmailed or Mark Jackson blackmailed?


lol i meant black-balled

[westbrook08]

I'd say almost getting your ass beat by your 70 year old coach counts as "off-court drama". I would also say it's worse than being a pothead

I totally almost peed a little bit when i read that! lol. I've needed that today.Thanks dude.