Pacers want Augustin

[akaseinfeld]

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA (https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA) Indiana is pursuing a trade with Charlotte for restricted free agent point guard DJ Augustine, sources tell Y! Sports

[akaseinfeld]

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA (https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA) Pacers have considered offer sheet, but prefer to make a trade for Augustine. As @DraftExpress (https://twitter.com/DraftExpress) reports, Indy traded Darren Collison to Mavs.

[BlockParty]

Yep...ballwhore revealed as much last night, not surprised that Cho will get some assets in return for DJ. Best of luck to him.

[JGib23]

Ballwhore announced this last night in the free agency thread.

He's more credible than Woj. (on DJ rumors)

[Potato]

AWESOME, take anything.. Better than letting him walk. Is Hansbrough realistic? I'm a Duke fan but we're so weak at PF and he definitely brings fans.

[Black]

I'm used to people on other message boards misspelling Augustin, bur Wojo? Really?

[Chef]

AWESOME, take anything.. Better than letting him walk. Is Hansbrough realistic? I'm a Duke fan but we're so weak at PF and he definitely brings fans.

god please no. i would much rather have stephenson but larry bird already has said he thinks he is the BEST player on the roster

[Chef]

I'm used to people on other message boards misspelling Augustin, bur Wojo? Really?

oh the irony

[Plowright]

their roster does not have much we really need or can have... Lance Stephenson has been playing PG in summer league and has looked decent, he would fit that big (6ft 5inc) guard we have been looking for. However, that is summer league and he was basically a non factor last year. I hope we get a pick out of it, I don't want Orlando Johnson, he has been throwing too many shots up in summer league, we have enough SG as it is! Miles Plumlee could be interesting, I would take him as part of the deal but I dont like him that much


Pacer fans are hoping we do Hans for DJ straight, they said they would have cleared out the scrubs then... I don't see us doing that straight, there is not enough in it for us we must get a pick or Plumlee/Stephenson as well

[akaseinfeld]

Andrew Perna (http://twitter.com/Andrew_Perna): Going to wait on recapping Indiana/Dallas deal until I see if they do get Augustin. My guess? Hansbrough to Charlotte. 2 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/Andrew_Perna/statuses/223215095021441024)

Read more: http://hoopshype.com/twitter/media.html#ixzz20MfAhFro

[Chef]

sweed, tamb or anyone: why would indy prefer a trade and not a sign outright? no cap footprint? i can't imagine we can expect a pick coming our way unless we take on a not so great contract

[Black]

Andrew Perna (http://twitter.com/Andrew_Perna): Going to wait on recapping Indiana/Dallas deal until I see if they do get Augustin. My guess? Hansbrough to Charlotte. 2 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/Andrew_Perna/statuses/223215095021441024)

Read more: http://hoopshype.com/twitter/media.html#ixzz20MfAhFro


DashGlobal's panties just got wet.

[Potato]

god please no. i would much rather have stephenson but larry bird already has said he thinks he is the BEST player on the roster

I hate him too, I'd obv. root for him in CLT but he seems like a hard worker and would go 12-8 here as I'm assuming he'd start. He's definitely not a long-term starter but he accepts his role and would be solid coming off the bench when we become contenders and would instantly be a fan favorite.

[Chef]

I hate him too, I'd obv. root for him in CLT but he seems like a hard worker and would go 12-8 here as I'm assuming he'd start. He's definitely not a long-term starter but he accepts his role and would be solid coming off the bench when we become contenders and would instantly be a fan favorite.

i am not a college fan so it isn't a duke/unc thing. he sucks ass. i hate watching him, he plays just on the border of dirty. i hate the look on his face, i just don't like watching him play at all. he reminds me of the power forward homeless man's version of bill laimbeer. guess he would be an asset with his contract and as a role player though.

[JGib23]

sweed, tamb or anyone: why would indy prefer a trade and not a sign outright? no cap footprint? i can't imagine we can expect a pick coming our way unless we take on a not so great contract

He's a RFA and with the numbers that Ballwhore was talking, we would simply match and keep DJ for ourselves

I can't believe Indy would pull the trigger on the first deal unless the talks with us were pretty advanced.

[polarcat]

Tough roster to comb through. Not really a whole lot on there that I'd like on our roster. Props to BW for the early info pop though. If true, I wish DJ the best.... I wanted him to succeed here, but he's entering the season where it's either put up or shut up time for both sides. Great guy and should hopefully benefit from a change of scenery.

[ohara831]

I'll take Hansbrough and their 2013 1st. Gladly.

[JGib23]

I'll preface this with saying I'm a Carolina fan and I like Psycho T.

Tyler started 29 games the season before David West arrived and avg'd 14 & 6 on 50% from the floor. He's the anti- Tyrus, he gets by on determination and hustle vs. Raw ability.

He would make a great back up PF and I think he fits what Coach D is looking for. full effort and hustle but, not sure that's enough to warrant trading DJ.

Of course, getting anything for DJ is better than just letting him walk...

I would prefer a future lottery protected first.

[Plowright]

Yeah not a lot on their roster I want... 3rd team maybe? I hope so as I dont really want Psyco T

[BlockParty]

sweed, tamb or anyone: why would indy prefer a trade and not a sign outright? no cap footprint? i can't imagine we can expect a pick coming our way unless we take on a not so great contract

I think it has something to do with Bird Rights and the drafted team [CLT] (or any other team they trade a player to [Indy if this goes through]) has the ability to offer more (to the player) thus protecting their investment for longer. It also allows the receiving team to have more cap space flexibility (not more cap space, just the flexibility during this FA period). This is why Miami was actually willing to trade for Lebron even though he was going to sign with them regardless (MIA got more flexibility, Lebron got a longer deal and Cleveland got picks and trade exceptions if I recall correctly).

[Potato]

I agree with what someone else said, I don't think Indiana would have pulled the trigger on that last trade if they weren't already advanced in talks with us. Look, we can be too picky here getting ANYTHING is better than letting DJ walk. Hansbrough fills what is arguably our biggest position of need, brings fans to the house and isn't a bad player. He plays with a chip on his shoulder and would be a nice piece coming off the bench in the future. We can get a young, hard-working PF who could go for 12-8 next year or simply let him walk. You choose.

[Scottley Crue]

I'll preface this with saying I'm a Carolina fan and I like Psycho T.

Tyler started 29 games the season before David West arrived and avg'd 14 & 6 on 50% from the floor. He's the anti- Tyrus, he gets by on determination and hustle vs. Raw ability.

He would make a great back up PF and I think he fits what Coach D is looking for. full effort and hustle but, not sure that's enough to warrant trading DJ.

Of course, getting anything for DJ is better than just letting him walk...

I would prefer a future lottery protected first.

I'm not a college guy and I'd like him here. I agree, he screams out as a Dunlap-type player to me. We need rebounding and toughness and he'd bring both. Clearly, you can't trust Tyrus so why not get something you need in return for DJ instead of nothing? And looking at the salaries and what Ballwhore said DJ would sign for, Hansbrough fits. I'd like to see this happen.

[BlockParty]

I'll preface this with saying I'm a Carolina fan and I like Psycho T.

Tyler started 29 games the season before David West arrived and avg'd 14 & 6 on 50% from the floor. He's the anti- Tyrus, he gets by on determination and hustle vs. Raw ability.

He would make a great back up PF and I think he fits what Coach D is looking for. full effort and hustle but, not sure that's enough to warrant trading DJ.

Of course, getting anything for DJ is better than just letting him walk...

I would prefer a future lottery protected first.

I'll preface this by saying I'm not a Carolina fan, but would agree Tyler would fit the system well, if for no other reason then he will out hustle his opponent, has very little ego as far as playing time and doesn't mind doing the dirty work that will be inevitable in Team basketball

[Black]

I'm absolutely not a UNC fan, and I wouldn't mind Psycho-T one bit. He fills a need, he's cheap, and no obligation to keep him past next year if he doesn't work out. Better than letting DJ walk.

[millst2]

I think psycho t would be great. Especially since it would fit coach D's mindset of defense. Tyler plays decent D and he can get u a double double when given minutes and is efficient from the floor an a solid ft shooter.

chef said he thinks he is dirty, I kind of like that tenacity, if we can get rid of DJ and get tyler it fits with what the coach said on Day 1,, We would have MKG, Kemba, Hendo, Tyler and Biz. I like that lineup and we dont really take on any damaging contracts.

For the FO it will increase ticket sales.

I would prefer a future 1st but at the same time I wouldnt be mad with bringing psycho T back to NC

[mrfargo]

I am all for tyler coming aboard, as long as he and gerald henderson promise not to break each others noses.....lol

http://www.fayobserver.com/special/2010/12/coachk/images/K-elbow.aspx?width=400&height=590

[Potato]

I'll preface this by saying I'm not a Carolina fan, but would agree Tyler would fit the system well, if for no other reason then he will out hustle his opponent, has very little ego as far as playing time and doesn't mind doing the dirty work that will be inevitable in Team basketballthis, like I said we can't be picky. He would definitely be a fan favorite here and accepts his role, he plays with a chip on his shoulder.

[Potato]

I am all for tyler coming aboard, as long as he and gerald henderson promise not to break each others noses.....lol


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[DashGlobal]

I would not mind that if that was the best deal we could get for DJ.

Hans at the very least makes for a great backup PF. I think he would def average 16 and 7 next year starting. And would provide offense opposite of Biz

[isguros]

Don't know what to think of this trade. Tyler will be a good contributor for the Bobcats if the trade takes place. However he'll be the oldest guy in the rotation, and i don't see much potential in him to be honest.

[SWedd523]

sweed, tamb or anyone: why would indy prefer a trade and not a sign outright? no cap footprint? i can't imagine we can expect a pick coming our way unless we take on a not so great contract
There really is no way of telling without seeing three things

1. What sort of deal would we offer outright, and would it be enough to keep him?
2. What sort of deal would Indy offer him, and would it be enough to keep us from matching?
3. What sort of s&t would be approved, and how long would it be for?

I'm sure we'll find out in the coming hours and days, but what I take from it is that they're making this overture as a way of saying, "hey we really want him and don't want to overpay or lose him, so what'll it take to get him from you?"

[ziggy]

Here is what the Pacers fans think about the deal

via Pacers Digest

http://www.pacersdigest.com/showthread.php?74025-DJ-Augustin-to-Indy

[ammofan]

Alright, let's get this deal done. Tyler for DJA. I'm happy with it.

[KembaSlice]

BW, do you know anything about the trade talks and how that'd work out?

[Wolfpackbobcat]

Dj>Hansblow.

[Proudiddy]

I really have no idea what our strategy is or what we're doing at this point.

Ballwhore has been on point with everything and we're still spinning our wheels. We made a huge offer to Dragic, knowing he would sign with another team money being equal. This suggests we were ready to move on from DJ considering Dragic is a PG. Then we are rumored to make a max offer to Lopez, again, knowing money being equal, he would sign elsewhere. While I thought that we were going to minimize spending and build through the draft and collecting assets. These two attempts didn't fall in line with that.

Then, after pretty much admitting we were going elsewhere or at least with Kemba as the point after pursuing Dragic, we up our offer to DJ when the Pacers are offering assets? WTF are we doing??? I just don't understand at all.

So ballwhore, as far as DJ, are you saying he doesn't want to sign here regardless of what they offer?

[Proudiddy]

And if we traded DJ straight up for Hansbrough I will punch a baby panda in the face.

[Chef]

There really is no way of telling without seeing three things

1. What sort of deal would we offer outright, and would it be enough to keep him?
2. What sort of deal would Indy offer him, and would it be enough to keep us from matching?
3. What sort of s&t would be approved, and how long would it be for?

I'm sure we'll find out in the coming hours and days, but what I take from it is that they're making this overture as a way of saying, "hey we really want him and don't want to overpay or lose him, so what'll it take to get him from you?"

see, i didn't even think of us matching. i figured we were ok letting him go. i guess it makes a little more sense now. and the more i think of hansboro (i will never ever ever ever call him psycho t, because i hate it but mainly because i am not a homosexual) the less i like him as a player and will hate watching him on the team. but he can be a valuable trade deadline chip. a legit 2nd unit big, no headaches chemistry wise and most importantly a rookie deal. he would almost be certain to garner trade calls.

[Wolfpackbobcat]

DJ for Hansblow straight up is so stupid. Only do if we get a 1st rounder. If we needed a PF that bad, we should have signed JJ or signed Jamison as soon as we could have. DJ is an above avg PG and if all we can get it Hansblow, Id rather just offer DJ more money.

[SWedd523]

I would not mind that if that was the best deal we could get for DJ.

Hans at the very least makes for a great backup PF. I think he would def average 16 and 7 next year starting. And would provide offense opposite of Biz
A bit optimistic to say the least

[akaseinfeld]

Rick Bonnell ‏@rick_bonnell (https://twitter.com/rick_bonnell) I hear an Augustin-to-Indiana sign-and-trade is unlikely. More to come.

[Black]

Rick Bonnell ‏@rick_bonnell
I hear an Augustin-to-Indiana sign-and-trade is unlikely. More to come.

[Chef]

seems like charlotte is trying to do right by him

[JefDav84]

I think we all should have known nothing was going to happen. We have seen all kinds of stuff reported on internet and nothing happens.

[Proudiddy]

I think we only make deals with D-League teams.

[dnbman]

A bit optimistic to say the least
Swedd, Hans is the Wayne Ellington of PFs.

I'd be happy with that trade. Not great, but something.

[CableBoxCat]

For the FO it will increase ticket sales.

Not being from the Carolinas, I'm actually really curious about this. Are there really a bunch of UNC fans in Charlotte that will come out just to see a former Tarheel play 22 MPG (that wouldn't have otherwise come to the game)? If true, that's very interesting. Does that apply to the Duke guys too? Is Hendo especially popular because he went to Duke? Do UNC/Bobcat fans hate him because he went there, or do they let the animosity go once players get to the NBA?

[Deadshot]

Nice to see a little mention for Pacer's Digest - its one of the best NBA forums I've been around (been a member since 2004, a lurker before that).

As for Augustin, I would rather have more of a distributor, seeing as Indy will basically have two undersized combo guards running the offense. However, if the trade was actually straight up for Hansbrough, I would jump at the opportunity (although I think it would have to include a pick).

You guys have watched more of Pyscho T in college than I have probably, but I watch the majority of Pacers games. At the pro level he is a sort of black hole. If his jumper is off early expect to see his whole game be off. He tries to get involved by getting to the line, which often leads to him being called for a travel after he dances in the paint. I will say, I love his hustle, his determination, etc, but the offense stalls when he is in the game. He would, however, probably do alright in Charlotte.

[Chef]

Not being from the Carolinas, I'm actually really curious about this. Are there really a bunch of UNC fans in Charlotte that will come out just to see a former Tarheel play 22 MPG (that wouldn't have otherwise come to the game)? If true, that's very interesting. Does that apply to the Duke guys too? Is Hendo especially popular because he went to Duke? Do UNC/Bobcat fans hate him because he went there, or do they let the animosity go once players get to the NBA?

people that don't know better will say yes. the actual answer is no. may and felton didn't do it. hans won't do it either. winning, brings out fans period.

[millst2]

stupid move in my eyes. regardless of the deal hansbroughs contract and dj's would have been a wash and we dont need to keep dishing money out to short defenseless pg's. We need more bigs and diop and tt i doubt will do shit again this yr, so we needed to shore up the paint.

So now we try and tie DJ up for 9.5 mll worth of salary cap that he isnt worth. Oh well. Here we go again.

[Deadshot]

Not being from the Carolinas, I'm actually really curious about this. Are there really a bunch of UNC fans in Charlotte that will come out just to see a former Tarheel play 22 MPG (that wouldn't have otherwise come to the game)? If true, that's very interesting. Does that apply to the Duke guys too? Is Hendo especially popular because he went to Duke? Do UNC/Bobcat fans hate him because he went there, or do they let the animosity go once players get to the NBA?

From what I have noticed at games, the Dukies are generally not well received (think guys like Dunleavy). Hansbrough, on the other hand, always gets a pretty good hand from the crowd. Additionally, the team uses his image to market games against the Pacers. Before every Pacers game I have been to at TWC, the visitor's entrance is lined with #50 Carolina blue jerseys.

[Proudiddy]

What I don't understand is -

We let Felton walk for nothing. We have made it clear to DJ that we're looking elsewhere for our PG (Kemba, the Dragic offer, and lowballing him prior to the QO), yet, we get offered something for him and don't want to make the deal. Instead, we up our offer for him?

I thought our philosophy was to collect assets?

[dnbman]

. He would, however, probably do alright in Charlotte.

We'd have Hendo to keep him in his place.

[millst2]

seems like cho is thinking we offer DJ 9.5 then they have to give us Hansbrough and a 1st rd pick, to make the money match. So we will see if he pulls this off as DJ apparently likes the idea of playing in Indy but would like a sweeter payday

[Deadshot]

people that don't know better will say yes. the actual answer is no. may and felton didn't do it. hans won't do it either. winning, brings out fans period.

Its not going to pack the place out but I do personally know of some people who were only interested in coming to see Indy in Charlotte (and no other team) last season because they wanted to see Hansbrough.

[BlockParty]

Not being from the Carolinas, I'm actually really curious about this. Are there really a bunch of UNC fans in Charlotte that will come out just to see a former Tarheel play 22 MPG (that wouldn't have otherwise come to the game)? If true, that's very interesting. Does that apply to the Duke guys too? Is Hendo especially popular because he went to Duke? Do UNC/Bobcat fans hate him because he went there, or do they let the animosity go once players get to the NBA?

Yes..unfortunately this is true...and no it's not for Duke players only for UNC players, sans Steph Curry. However, as a Cats fan from the start, I welcome any of the bandwagon fans that come to support the team, irregardless of the path they take to the bandwagon.

[dnbman]

What I don't understand is -

We let Felton walk for nothing. We have made it clear to DJ that we're looking elsewhere for our PG (Kemba, the Dragic offer, and lowballing him prior to the QO), yet, we get offered something for him and don't want to make the deal. Instead, we up our offer for him?

I thought our philosophy was to collect assets?

Raising stakes for Indy. DJ for a few million is good value. We raise the price a bit, telling Indy we'll match and then angle for something in return.

[BlockParty]

people that don't know better will say yes. the actual answer is no. may and felton didn't do it. hans won't do it either. winning, brings out fans period.

Actually going to almost all the home games for the last 6 years..the answer is yes. Will they buy season tickets...no, but they will buy more tickets (there was no other reason to buy tickets to see Indy play).

[Proudiddy]

Raising stakes for Indy. DJ for a few million is good value. We raise the price a bit, telling Indy we'll match and then angle for something in return.

But, according to the reports, they WANT to make a deal with us for him and not sign him to an offer sheet.

[Chef]

Actually going to almost all the home games for the last 6 years..the answer is yes. Will they buy season tickets...no, but they will buy more tickets (there was no other reason to buy tickets to see Indy play).

right, so for 1 game out of the year when a visiting carolina player who really isn't all that great (as a pro) comes to town, people who care about that sort of thing buy a ticket. but, put him on the team and let them see him 41 times per year and the novelty wears off after 10 games. so overall, attendance doesn't really improve. just like with may and felton. people show up to watch stars and winning basketball.

[dnbman]

But, according to the reports, they WANT to make a deal with us for him and not sign him to an offer sheet.

Since he's an rfa, we could match. If they do s&t they actually get him.

[Proudiddy]

But either way, they have to make an offer to us if he's a RFA because we can match any offer they put out there. So, it's in their best interest to make a trade regardless, which is what they are motivated to do. So, I'm not comprehending how offering him more money ups their trade offer?

[Deadshot]

right, so for 1 game out of the year when a visiting carolina player who really isn't all that great (as a pro) comes to town, people who care about that sort of thing buy a ticket. but, put him on the team and let them see him 41 times per year and the novelty wears off after 10 games. so overall, attendance doesn't really improve. just like with may and felton. people show up to watch stars and winning basketball.

That in and of itself won't bring fans in full time, of course. But with the new color scheme, new coach, #2 draft pick, possibly a signing here and there, a little marketing (heck even I took advantage of one of the new ticket packages), and Hansbrough...all this stuff culminates to a boost in attendance most likely.

[Bosnian-Bobcats-Fan]

so wait what was the info ballwhore said? i can't find it.

[Black]

so wait what was the info ballwhore said? i can't find it.

That we were interested in Lopez, and DJ would end up in Indiana.

[BlockParty]

so wait what was the info ballwhore said? i can't find it.

Going to his profile page and clicking on "all posts" looks like all his posts since 7/5/2012 have been deleted. You can only see the parts where people quoted him.

[dnbman]

But either way, they have to make an offer to us if he's a RFA because we can match any offer they put out there. So, it's in their best interest to make a trade regardless, which is what they are motivated to do. So, I'm not comprehending how offering him more money ups their trade offer?

1. We see him as a value at that offer and are probably happy to keep him at the price.
2. By upping our offer, we give him more value. Now Indiana has to do more to get their guy, possibly even offering us a better deal to let him sign for less.

[dnbman]

Going to his profile page and clicking on "all posts" looks like all his posts since 7/5/2012 have been deleted. You can only see the parts where people quoted him.

He's probably not supposed to be sharing a lot of that info.

[amour217]

i am not a college fan so it isn't a duke/unc thing. he sucks ass. i hate watching him, he plays just on the border of dirty. i hate the look on his face, i just don't like watching him play at all. he reminds me of the power forward homeless man's version of bill laimbeer. guess he would be an asset with his contract and as a role player though.

Dude, I LOLed hard at that...thanks

[BrotherDave]

people that don't know better will say yes. the actual answer is no. may and felton didn't do it. hans won't do it either. winning, brings out fans period.
In my experience, people in NC are usually either college fans or NBA fans, they mix as well as sheep and cattle. Very rarely you'll run across a basketball loving goat like me that just doesn't give a fook. (though I vastly prefer NBA to college)

Dude, I LOLed hard at that...thanks
Yeah, that was funny. Psycho T always reminded me of that football player that ducked out of his weight class to shoot hoops during your PE class. I fooking hate those guys.

[dav7z]

Ballwhore said 2 years at 7.5 per with a third year player optioin at 4 mil
Physho T , Plays phiscal , talks trash , Plays dirty , Has a knack of pissing players off. Ask Hendo . With that said its a place in this league for players like him . Physho T has value and is a assest whitch is much better than letting DJ walk like Felts did.

[spectre]

Anyone complaining about anything that's a net positive in return for DJ had much higher hopes than I ever did.

There's a lot of PGs on the market. Unless IND is drinking some really good kool-aid I can't imagine they'd take too much pushing on this.

[Black]

Ballwhore said 2 years at 7.5 per with a third year player optioin at 4 mil
Physho T , Plays phiscal , talks trash , Plays dirty , Has a knack of pissing players off. Ask Hendo . With that said its a place in this league for players like him . Physho T has value and is a assest whitch is much better than letting DJ walk like Felts did.

I think it was 7.5 over two years, not per.

[Dcarnys]

With how thin we are at PF I'd do this in heartbeat. Be kind of weird to see Henderson and Hansbrough on the same team but I would love it none the less.

[QC Thundercats]

i am not a college fan so it isn't a duke/unc thing. he sucks ass. i hate watching him, he plays just on the border of dirty. i hate the look on his face, i just don't like watching him play at all. he reminds me of the power forward homeless man's version of bill laimbeer. guess he would be an asset with his contract and as a role player though.

Man, didn't realize so many people hated the guy. Full disclosure, I'm a Carolina grad - was there for the terrible Matt D'oherty debacle - but I like to see myself as a non-obnoxious fan (except when it comes to that one school), so I hope that at least gives me some credibility. I've seen most of his college games, and I wanted to at least try to defend him as a player, so maybe people can at least appreciate his unorthodox style.

First, Hansbrough is a complete goofball. Borderline dorky, but not the dook kind of dorkiness, more like that one guy who's cool enough to hang out with your group, but always says or does some awkward things that make you shake your head, but ultimately makes everyone laugh.

I mean, after winning player of the year, he goes to a house party and jumps off a balcony into a pool.
http://www.faniq.com/images/blog/hansjump2%281%29.jpg

And then he tries and fails miserably at freestyling on camera during an interview (its at 3:50 if the video doesn't automatically jump there):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGS31Qff0MM&feature=player_detailpage#t=228s

I guess he's one of those kind of goofy hustle players that you hate when he's playing against you, but when its one of your guys, you love him. He doesn't take himself seriously personally, but takes basketball very seriously, and works harder than just about anyone I've seen. He's absolutely relentless, just like MKG. And he's actually pretty skilled and athletic, just in a very ugly, wounded ostrich like way. You don't become the all time leader in points scored in the ACC on hustle and grit alone.


Not being from the Carolinas, I'm actually really curious about this. Are there really a bunch of UNC fans in Charlotte that will come out just to see a former Tarheel play 22 MPG (that wouldn't have otherwise come to the game)? If true, that's very interesting. Does that apply to the Duke guys too? Is Hendo especially popular because he went to Duke? Do UNC/Bobcat fans hate him because he went there, or do they let the animosity go once players get to the NBA?

Regarding Charlotte, its basically the second hometown to UNC fans. Upon graduation, most Carolina alums move to either Raleigh or Charlotte, with the rest spreading out to either Atlanta or Washington, or back home from where they came. So thats maybe a thousand or so new Carolina fans coming to the city every year. Dook is a tiny school with an undergraduate student body of only a few thousand, and most of their grads migrate back to New Jersey. It seems most State fans stay around Raleigh, as far as I've known. But this disparity accounts for all the booing you hear for JJ Reddick, Doohon, Boozer, and whenever Austin Rivers makes it back.

In regards to cheering for players, there is a large segment, mostly of the older, out of touch, close to death fans, that irrationally hate the NBA and only like college. They do still support all the former grads, and will suffer through a pro game to watch them. Then there are others who are general NBA fans, but love Carolina, so they will give their full support if they're on the team. But they're irrelevant to my point. I think fans can separate their college allegiances from their pro teams.

Obviously, I hated Henderson coming out of college, and did not want to take him at all. And of course, we took him. But over time, I don't see the dook in him anymore, I've grown more tolerable of him to the point that I'm a big fan of his, and hope he keeps developing into a borderline all-star. It is kind of weird for me, because I hate all other graduates of that school when they play for other teams. I finally forgave Hendo for the vicious elbow on Hansbrough, as I rationalized that more as Gerald acting as a mere pawn at the directive of Coach kay. So I think even yall state or dook fans would get over your initial disgust of Hansbrough, and grow to like the overgrown rascal and all his quirky skillz.

(Yes, that required a z)


Ballwhore said 2 years at 7.5 per with a third year player optioin at 4 mil
Physho T , Plays phiscal , talks trash , Plays dirty , Has a knack of pissing players off. Ask Hendo . With that said its a place in this league for players like him . Physho T has value and is a assest whitch is much better than letting DJ walk like Felts did.

You're wrong on one point, Hansbrough is not a trash talker at all, almost never says anything unless its a dookie. And I don't think he plays dirty, like Jeff Foster or Reggie Evans, or Raja Bell. I think he plays that annoyingly hard hustling style, and just rides right on that borderline of dirtiness, but without the evil intentions.

But I do agree that the DJ situation is playing out exactly like the Felton situation. Why let him walk for nothing, instead of at least filling out our roster with another hard nosed, basketball lifer who will make any sacrifice for the sake of the team. I'm all in.

[BrotherDave]

And he's actually pretty skilled and athletic, just in a very ugly, wounded ostrich like way. You don't become the all time leader in points scored in the ACC on hustle and grit alone.


Nope, you get that thanks to a plethora of ref's whistles that would make MJ and LeBron blush.

*is a bitter State fan*

*hates what ACC basketball has become with shitty refs calling ticky tack fouls for anyone in a blue shirt.*

[ND22]

One thing we can all agree on however, is Hansbrough's ability to drink 40s.

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[Deadshot]

You're wrong on one point, Hansbrough is not a trash talker at all, almost never says anything unless its a dookie. And I don't think he plays dirty, like Jeff Foster or Reggie Evans, or Raja Bell. I think he plays that annoyingly hard hustling style, and just rides right on that borderline of dirtiness, but without the evil intentions.

You're right about Hansbrough not talking trash. But completely wrong about Foster being a dirty player. Never was. He got labeled as such after a hard foul on DRose (which Hansbrough was a part of as well), but that was never his style...

[x2pacalypse]

In all honestly, I go to UNC currently and can say that Hansborough is a total douchebag. I'm not saying I wouldn't put him on the team. But I can attest personally he is a douchebag. He is friends with this girl I know, and when she saw me out one night we were talking (he was there too). He apparently asked her after "Is this a clown you are f*cking now?". Also, I've seen somebody 'Ice' him before, and he took the beer and poured it all over their head. He's pretty douchey, but if he balls out I don't care.

[BallDontLie]

Hansbrough would be a steal for us for a guy who's leaving anyway, a lot of folks dislike him due to NCAA allegiance by this could be a hell of a buy low hit.

He has yet to have a real training camp in the league with shin, vertigo and the lockout. The Pacers used him like trash last year with no PG to work the PnR with or to get him open looks. I watched quite a few Pacers games and their broke what end up tons of time with him taking some long jumper as the shot clock expires because the guards couldn't run offense. I see a lot of Pacers fans on him for a decreased rebounding rate but never take note of how often he was out on the perimeter playing defense.

When you have a guy who is called "Psycho T" it seems dumb to never let him into the paint.

He saw a major dips in shots this year, when he got his shots he was good when he didn't he blew. I don't know if they get away from him or the lack or passing the Pacers had or Lou Amundson's man leaving him to help on Hansbrough or a combo of them all but he would go games and never get shots unless he hit the offensive glass, something hard to do for a guy billed a black hole.

He's a scorer first and needs the rock to do that and in 30 games this year including the PO he got 5 or less shots up and shot an amazingly bad clip when getting let out of the offense. Bur when they gave him the rock he was very effective and over his career shoots a far better percentage the more he jacks up.

As a starter in the league he's shot 49.9% and had a PER36 of 18.6 and 8.3 on a team that made the playoffs. He's not good in a limited role but seems to flourish when given more time. We had the worst team ever so its not like we can't be any worse trying him out as the starter for a year. Its like a free lotto ticket if it doesn't workout we toss it in the can and move on but if it does we have a shot to get something of value for free.

I'm clearly a fan but this is a legit no lose situation for us. Between injury, no real camps, coaching and style changes and some poor usage Tyler still has big upside left! And on top of what he could help with on the floor he's also liked but a big portion of the area so it would help attendance. He's also going to win fans who originally didn't like him over once he's on their side and they see him do the things to other teams the made them so upset. Also an added benefit is he wants to be here so if do we strike gold we can save money on keeping him and most off all he wants to win and even with us losing he's going to play hard every time out not matter the score.

We need to find a way to make this work and it could become a very nice find while buying low.

[gamecocksmitty4]

Hard worker but his intelligence is on par with Tyrus Thomas. No thanks.