Bobcats withdraw offer to Augustin

[akaseinfeld]

B.J. Evans ‏@BobcatsBballPR (https://twitter.com/BobcatsBballPR) Breaking @bobcats (https://twitter.com/bobcats) News: The team has withdrawn its qualifying offer to D.J. Augustin. He is now an unrestricted free agent

[akaseinfeld]

Steve Reed ‏@SteveReed_AP (https://twitter.com/SteveReed_AP) Bobcats have withdrawn qualifying offer to D.J. Augustin. He becomes an unrestricted free agent.

[Wolfpackbobcat]

Shame .....

[BallDontLie]

Seems dumb to let him walk right to the Pacers for free.

[ammofan]

WTF. Well now we need to sign a FA big man.

[westbrook08]

the pacers don't have anything we want.They're not giving us west and tyler is not a starter and looked way out of his league in the playoffs.I'd much rather keep the roster spot to sign jamison or haywood.Or preferably both.

[superb1]

WTF. Well now we need to sign a FA big man.

Now we have 2 spots open for big men, since getting Sessions = letting DJA walk

get Haywood and Scola

[BallDontLie]

the pacers don't have anything we want.They're not giving us west and tyler is not a starter and looked way out of his league in the playoffs.I'd much rather keep the roster spot to sign jamison or haywood.Or preferably both.

He shot 49.9% and had a PER36 of 18.6 and 8.3 on a team that made the playoffs in 30 games as a starter. He needs a bigger role to be successful just go look at his splits when given bun and gets 10+ shots a game and then look when he gets 5 or less. Its like two different players one he has a nice shooting percentage with a strong PPG average and the other looks like he wouldn't even make it in the D-League with a low 30% shooting percentage.

Have Rock will Score.

[Potato]

Making that sign and trade for Hansbrough doesn't sound that bad anymore does it? Smh, bye DJ. I gotta get a new jersey now.

[mrfargo]

Apparently he has already signed with Indy..is that a record for an ufa to another team

[The Prodigy]

This seems kind of stupid. We couldnt have at least gotten a 2nd rounder for him? Christ.

[westbrook08]

I just think mullens needs to be our 4 off the bench and we need a starter at that position.I don't consider hansbrough as a candidate to start.The times i saw him play this year he either bowling balled himself into bigger players to get to the line or he was wide open for a j because someone else was being double teamed.Anytime another player was anywhere near him he had his shot blocked and he also turns the ball over alot cutting to the lane because he's horrible at catching cutting passes.I don't think he brinks anything close to the table in the pros as he did in college.I don't believe stats paint an accurate picture of his game.Just my opinion,but i clearly do not want him.

[DashGlobal]

the pacers don't have anything we want.They're not giving us west and tyler is not a starter and looked way out of his league in the playoffs.I'd much rather keep the roster spot to sign jamison or haywood.Or preferably both.

At the very least Tyler would make for a great backup PF.

I am pissed we are letting DJ walk for nothing. Isnt like he is a scrub!

[dnbman]

At the very least Tyler would make for a great backup PF.

I am pissed we are letting DJ walk for nothing. Isnt like he is a scrub!

He's getting a 1 year deal for 3.5 million. Clearly, the market was not that great. People have thrown around the idea of getting at least a second round pick, but if it ties up time or money in making other sensible deals work, it's best to just let him go.

The other thing is that this was foreseen back at the mid-season trade deadline. Most of us agreed we'd be happy to get ANYTHING for him after that deadline passed. No serious shock that we just let him walk after that.

[spectre]

He's getting a 1 year deal for 3.5 million. Clearly, the market was not that great. People have thrown around the idea of getting at least a second round pick, but if it ties up time or money in making other sensible deals work, it's best to just let him go.

The other thing is that this was foreseen back at the mid-season trade deadline. Most of us agreed we'd be happy to get ANYTHING for him after that deadline passed. No serious shock that we just let him walk after that.

Wow...3.5 for 1 year? Maybe it was a "make good" thing...if he proves his worth he could possibly sign for more next season.

It appears to me the Pacers wouldn't even give up Hansbrough. Cho is all about assets and love him or hate him he would have been a positive gain.

[Mustachio]

The Bobcats were never even close to getting anything in return really. The options were he signed the qualifying offer we gave him, or he walked. No one was going to beat our offer for him in free agency, and no one was going to give an asset (even a 2nd rounder) for a guy they could have gotten for free in free agency.

Bobcats did the right thing. Don't linger, don't burn the agent bridge, let him go. Sessions (drafted in the 2nd round) has better career numbers and seems ok in the backup role. We are ok.

[Proudiddy]

Stupid front office shows their ineptitude yet again. Fucking stupid.

Credible sources were reporting the Pacers WANTED to make a deal yesterday. If a team values him enough to sign him, they'd value him enough to trade for him. At the least we could get a 2nd round pick and Houston just used 3 of them in a deal that brought in 3 players. Even better, what if we could've gotten Hansbrough and Stephenson (mainly Stephenson). Fucking stupid. This front office pisses me off like no other before.

Letting your former starting PGs walk for nothing twice when there is intense interest from other teams is fucking retarded. Spin it how you want, but Cho isn't doing any better than Higgins was at this point. Only difference is, Cho is mindful of cap space. It's fucking inexcusable. Pathetic.

[CatMan72]

Bye DJ, thanks for trying.

[SWedd523]

Wow...3.5 for 1 year? Maybe it was a "make good" thing...if he proves his worth he could possibly sign for more next season.

It appears to me the Pacers wouldn't even give up Hansbrough. Cho is all about assets and love him or hate him he would have been a positive gain.

I disagree. He'd prevent us from targeting that veteran presence we need.

[Mustachio]

Stupid front office shows their ineptitude yet again. Fucking stupid.

Credible sources were reporting the Pacers WANTED to make a deal yesterday. If a team values him enough to sign him, they'd value him enough to trade for him. At the least we could get a 2nd round pick and Houston just used 3 of them in a deal that brought in 3 players. Even better, what if we could've gotten Hansbrough and Stephenson (mainly Stephenson). Fucking stupid. This front office pisses me off like no other before.

Letting your former starting PGs walk for nothing twice when there is intense interest from other teams is fucking retarded. Spin it how you want, but Cho isn't doing any better than Higgins was at this point. Only difference is, Cho is mindful of cap space. It's fucking inexcusable. Pathetic.


In my opinion ... we got everything out of DJ he was worth.

[spectre]

Stupid front office shows their ineptitude yet again. Fucking stupid.

Credible sources were reporting the Pacers WANTED to make a deal yesterday. If a team values him enough to sign him, they'd value him enough to trade for him. At the least we could get a 2nd round pick and Houston just used 3 of them in a deal that brought in 3 players. Even better, what if we could've gotten Hansbrough and Stephenson (mainly Stephenson). Fucking stupid. This front office pisses me off like no other before.

Letting your former starting PGs walk for nothing twice when there is intense interest from other teams is fucking retarded. Spin it how you want, but Cho isn't doing any better than Higgins was at this point. Only difference is, Cho is mindful of cap space. It's fucking inexcusable. Pathetic.

Intense interest? LOL!

If an asset was to be had no doubt we'd have taken it OR it would have messed us up signing someone else.

[SWedd523]

Stupid front office shows their ineptitude yet again. Fucking stupid.

Credible sources were reporting the Pacers WANTED to make a deal yesterday. If a team values him enough to sign him, they'd value him enough to trade for him. At the least we could get a 2nd round pick
You have no idea if they would've offered that or not. The Bobcats weren't in the position of power in any trade talks with DJ. It was clear from the start he wanted out so it's not like they'd have to send a lot of value our way.

"Why trade for him when we can just sign him to a little bit more money, knowing the Bobcats won't match?"

Self-fulfilling prophecy.


Even better, what if we could've gotten Hansbrough and Stephenson (mainly Stephenson).
What if they weren't offered? MIND BLOWN

[Proudiddy]

In my opinion ... we got everything out of DJ he was worth.


Intense interest? LOL!

If an asset was to be had no doubt we'd have taken it OR it would have messed us up signing someone else.

Guys, DJ signed within an HOUR OR TWO of having the QO rescinded. The Pacers made quick work of signing him up because they clearly were very interested and had plans for him. Also, if you remember a few years ago, ballwhore told us he was on the way to Indy for TJ Ford. So, Indy has been wanting DJ. Yes, that is intense interest. And with Felton the same... The Knicks signed him up QUICK and he got a 2 year deal with a third player option IIRC.

Both times we should've gotten something in return.

It was no coincidence that ballwhore already told us what was going on, then reports came out that the Pacers wanted to do a deal and then we signed Sessions... We didn't have any plans for him, they did, so we should've gotten something in return.

Either our front office is full of self-aggrandizing idiots or they've spent too long building up a reputation of being said idiots that they can't complete a favorable deal with 95% of teams out there because those teams think they can get a Dallas Mavericks-type outcome with us.

It's frustrating to the infinite power.

[Proudiddy]

You have no idea if they would've offered that or not. The Bobcats weren't in the position of power in any trade talks with DJ. It was clear from the start he wanted out so it's not like they'd have to send a lot of value our way.

"Why trade for him when we can just sign him to a little bit more money, knowing the Bobcats won't match?"

Self-fulfilling prophecy.


What if they weren't offered? MIND BLOWN

You're right, we don't know if it was offered. Problem is, we've seen this movie before.

As I said in the post above, ballwhore already laid this all out there. If the Pacers were willing to deal with us for DJ before, what changed now? They were obviously still interested... They signed him within what seemed to be minutes of the QO being removed.

They were willing to trade for him before, they would've done it now. That's how I see it.

No we don't know what's going on behind closed doors, but those are pretty easy dots to connect.

[SWedd523]

There was so much interest in DJ that Indy was able to sign him to a ONE YEAR deal for 3.5 million. DJ is taking a pay cut to play for the Pacers.

If there were any real interest, he wouldn't have signed such a small, insignificant deal.

[SWedd523]

As I said in the post above, ballwhore already laid this all out there. If the Pacers were willing to deal with us for DJ before, what changed now? They were obviously still interested... They signed him within what seemed to be minutes of the QO being removed.
Pretty obviously, he was on a contract before when they were trying to trade for him. They had less bargaining power than they do now.

Now they had way more on their side of any deal because DJ wasn't going to be getting a long term deal from us. If you were the Pacers, would you offer anything valuable for a guy you KNOW won't be staying in Charlotte? I definitely wouldn't.


They were willing to trade for him before, they would've done it now. That's how I see it.
The only way they could've got him before was in a trade. They could sign him to a tender now. That's how it is.

[quote]No we don't know what's going on behind closed doors, but those are pretty easy dots to connect.
I agree

[JGib23]

I agree that it seems ludacris that he walks for nothing.

I will be furious if they don't quickly use that money to sign someone.

I would rather have DJ for his QO and let him fight for playing time with Sessions & Kemba instead of Higgins for league minimum. We are talking about 3 million in salary difference between Higgins and DJ...nobody could argue that DJ isn't 3 mill better than Higgins.

[Proudiddy]

@Swedd, but with a QO, we DO have the leverage. We are the team with the tender, so if they wanted to get him, they had to go through us either way as long as he was tendered - either make a bigger offer and see if we match OR trade for him. We did have the leverage.

I'm not trying to get into a pissing contest, so we'll have to agree to disagree, but these moves we don't make are what discourages me and makes me have a pessimistic outlook on our front office. I just don't agree that there wasn't a deal to be made. We don't know. You could be right, maybe there wasn't a deal to be made. Then again, what if there was and they just wanted to wash their hands of DJ and didn't even engage Indy's FO in talks.

[SWedd523]

@Swedd, but with a QO, we DO have the leverage. We are the team with the tender, so if they wanted to get him, they had to go through us either way as long as he was tendered - either make a bigger offer and see if we match OR trade for him. We did have the leverage.
I think you'd agree it's pretty clear we weren't going to match any real offer sheet signed by DJ, no? Had they offered him $5 million, we probably wouldn't have matched and he'd still leave for nothing. I just don't think we had any real leverage in this deal.


I'm not trying to get into a pissing contest, so we'll have to agree to disagree, but these moves we don't make are what discourages me and makes me have a pessimistic outlook on our front office. I just don't agree that there wasn't a deal to be made. We don't know. You could be right, maybe there wasn't a deal to be made. Then again, what if there was and they just wanted to wash their hands of DJ and didn't even engage Indy's FO in talks.
I'm not necessarily saying there wasn't a deal to be made. They may very well have been offering Hansbrough.

I'm just saying that they extra cap space is more valuable than Hansbrough

[SWedd523]

I agree that it seems ludacris that he walks for nothing.

I will be furious if they don't quickly use that money to sign someone.

I would rather have DJ for his QO and let him fight for playing time with Sessions & Kemba instead of Higgins for league minimum. We are talking about 3 million in salary difference between Higgins and DJ...nobody could argue that DJ isn't 3 mill better than Higgins.

Moot point considering we just brought Sessions in.

[adam187]

Yeah, if it makes everyone feel better just imagine that we traded DJ for Sessions and Free Agent Big Man X, which is almost definitely a better deal than if we had gotten tied up messing with the Pacers over a player we don't want and who doesn't want to be here.

That's how I'm thinking about it.

[Mustachio]

Yeah, if it makes everyone feel better just imagine that we traded DJ for Sessions and Free Agent Big Man X, which is almost definitely a better deal than if we had gotten tied up messing with the Pacers over a player we don't want and who doesn't want to be here.

That's how I'm thinking about it.



BOOOOOM! nailed it.

[JGib23]

Moot point considering we just brought Sessions in.

How is it moot?

My point is absolutely valid.

I would rather have these 3 PGs for x plus 3 million
Kemba
Sessions
DJ

Than these 3 PGs
Kemba
Sessions
Higgins

If they use that 3 million delta to sign someone of substance I'm at least ok with it.

What happens if we lose a PG to injury? Are you really ok with Higgins seeing significant playing time over 3 million dollars?
Would DJ at the QO be a tradeable assets at the deadline?

Letting him walk for nothing is stupid unless we use that space to sign someone.

[SWedd523]

How is it moot?

My point is absolutely valid.


It's a moot point because DJ and Sessions are mutually exclusive. Keep DJ... no Sessions. Sign Sessions... no DJ.


Kemba
Sessions
Higgins

is better than

Kemba
DJ
Higgins

[JGib23]

It's a moot point because DJ and Sessions are mutually exclusive. Keep DJ... no Sessions. Sign Sessions... no DJ.


Kemba
Sessions
Higgins

is better than

Kemba
DJ
Higgins

I diagree.

We didn't have to rescind DJ's QO to sign Sessions we are far enough under cap...

We very easily could have all 3.... Which is why I said if we don't use that space to sign someone of substance- it's stupid.....


Maybe DJ would have acted like a little bitch if we brought him back and the released him for that reason but, from a David Stern "Basketball Reasons" perspective it was stupid.

[Plowright]

Not signing DJ has allowed us more cash to throw at a veteren big man (which we desperately need if you hadn't realised btw) Hansborough was not a good fit and they could not have just given us a 2nd round pick with nobody coming back to us. This was a move which gives us more flexability, if we brought Hansborough in we are slap bang at the cap and our flexability will be gone. Now we have more money to lure Jamison, Humphries and Haywood. Lets just wait and see how this develops.

Westbrook your point is moot as now we might be able to have a bigman rotation of Mully/Biz/Hump which sounds a lot better than Mully/Biz/Diop. So we are losing strength at the PG (where we are already strong with Kema and Sessions) and hopefully will gain where we are weak (the backcourt)

Good job Swedd trying to make everyone understand about the flexibility this gives us going forward, I will try to help haha

[SWedd523]

I diagree.

We didn't have to rescind DJ's QO to sign Sessions we are far enough under cap...

Signing Sessions and keeping DJ on his QO (assuming a team like Indy doesn't up their offer) caps us out and prevents us from signing any FA big men.


You really think Cho would go that route?

[JGib23]

Releasing DJ does nothing from a "flexibility" standpoint that the amnesty of Carroll couldn't do (800k delta). This move offers us basically zero additional flexibility. (beyond reserving the amnesty for Tyrus, which we are too cheap to do).

[JGib23]

Signing Sessions and keeping DJ on his QO (assuming a team like Indy doesn't up their offer) caps us out and prevents us from signing any FA big men.


You really think Cho would go that route?

Wake me up when we sign someone worth a shit. (Sessions may be the best FA we've ever signed)

Also if we were capped out, we could use the MLE for a big man.

DJ + MLE Big man

Or

Higgins + your dream FA big man ( that may or may not sign for greater than the value of the MLE)

[SWedd523]

Releasing DJ does nothing from a "flexibility" standpoint that the amnesty of Carroll couldn't do (800k delta). This move offers us basically zero additional flexibility. (beyond reserving the amnesty for Tyrus, which we are too cheap to do).

release DJ = no salary commitment
amnesty MC = still owe him 3.5 million

[spectre]

Wake me up when we sign someone worth a shit.

Also if we were capped out, we could use the MLE for a big man.

DJ + MLE Big man

Or

Higgins + your dream FA big man ( that may or may not sign for greater than the value of the MLE)

i don't think you get the MLE when you start out under the cap.

[Ghost Kat]

So....No psycho T? I thought he would have been a great addition but I understand if the FO couldn't get it done. We knew a couple weeks ago that the Bobcats were looking at Sessions. So if we could have traded D.J. for The People's Elbow ( Hendo called Jordan and pitched a bitch fit ) it would have been awesome. But D.J. is a good player, I hope he has a better time in boring Indiana.

[JGib23]

release DJ = no salary commitment
amnesty MC = still owe him 3.5 million

Aren't we talking about cap flexibility?
You know Matt's contract would count zero against the salary cap if amnestied.

[westbrook08]

Not signing DJ has allowed us more cash to throw at a veteren big man (which we desperately need if you hadn't realised btw) Hansborough was not a good fit and they could not have just given us a 2nd round pick with nobody coming back to us. This was a move which gives us more flexability, if we brought Hansborough in we are slap bang at the cap and our flexability will be gone. Now we have more money to lure Jamison, Humphries and Haywood. Lets just wait and see how this develops.

Westbrook your point is moot as now we might be able to have a bigman rotation of Mully/Biz/Hump which sounds a lot better than Mully/Biz/Diop. So we are losing strength at the PG (where we are already strong with Kema and Sessions) and hopefully will gain where we are weak (the backcourt)

Good job Swedd trying to make everyone understand about the flexibility this gives us going forward, I will try to help haha

I don't understand how my point is moot.I said that the pacers didn't have anything we wanted and i would rather go after jamison and haywood.But that was before humphrie's name came back up.I certainly have no problem with him.I just didn't want any of the pacer's castoffs and would rather get our own guys in free agency,which still applies.

[JGib23]

i don't think you get the MLE when you start out under the cap.

I think u r right- I need to check Coon's FAQ


My point is still... Show me that they use the money to sign a big man, if not it's stupid.... If they do sign a quality big, it was the right move.

[SWedd523]

i don't think you get the MLE when you start out under the cap.

You don't, but that means we can't complain about losing Augustin for nothinng so SHUT YOUR FACE

[SWedd523]

Aren't we talking about cap flexibility?
You know Matt's contract would count zero against the salary cap if amnestied.
I'm talking about realistic scenarios

[JGib23]

I'm talking about realistic scenarios

What's realistic to you?
(not being an ass, just curious)

[SWedd523]

What's realistic to you?
(not being an ass, just curious)

For starters, I really don't think they'd target Sessions if they kept DJ on the QO or a new deal. I really don't see the merits of that when our 4/5 rotation is currently Bismack/Mullens/Tyrus.

I don't think amnestying Carroll is realistic. The only two players I see possibly being amnestied are Diop (to open a larger amount of cap space) or Tyrus (because he sucks)

I don't think trading DJ for Hansbrough was realistic because it would've eaten our capspace and probably taken us out of the running for any of the older PFs AND because they knew we weren't going to keep DJ anyway so they had no real need to offer any value

I don't think Scola is realistic, he's going to be in too high of a demand

[captaincrunk]

yeah scola is too good, he'll definitely be going somewhere that needs him

[JGib23]

For starters, I really don't think they'd target Sessions if they kept DJ on the QO or a new deal. I really don't see the merits of that when our 4/5 rotation is currently Bismack/Mullens/Tyrus.

I don't think amnestying Carroll is realistic. The only two players I see possibly being amnestied are Diop (to open a larger amount of cap space) or Tyrus (because he sucks)

I don't think trading DJ for Hansbrough was realistic because it would've eaten our capspace and probably taken us out of the running for any of the older PFs AND because they knew we weren't going to keep DJ anyway so they had no real need to offer any value

I don't think Scola is realistic, he's going to be in too high of a demand

I agree with almost everything u posted.

I would not amnesty Carroll either, I was just pointing out that taking back DJs QO didn't give us any additional space that amnestying Matt couldn't provide.

I wasn't high on DJ for Tyler but, it wouldn't have been a bad move.

My whole anger s that, I think we could have gotten something of value for DJ and if not I preferred keeping him fr that cheap.

I also don't think we use the space from releasing DJ to sign anything worth a shit.

I'm just frustrated that we seem to be great at not getting value out of our assets.

I prefer Scola vs. Free agent big man. Why would we not try to get him? He's too good? He ges to the highest bidder that is under the cap... Why not us?

[ohara831]

Observer says we offered DJ roughly $6mil/yr for multiple years. Man, did he ever blow it big time. That has to hurt the wallet.

[westbrook08]

Yeah,dj and felton both had really stupid agents.Either one of those guys should have been doing cartwheels for the deals we offered them.Not my problem.There the ones that have to go home and tell their families that they cost themselves 20-30 million dollars for being greedy assholes.

[captaincrunk]

Yeah,dj and felton both had really stupid agents.Either one of those guys should have been doing cartwheels for the deals we offered them.Not my problem.There the ones that have to go home and tell their families that they cost themselves 20-30 million dollars for being greedy assholes.

How is turning down money being greedy? You sound like a huge dick right now. Money isn't everything, especially when you have the financial security of a million dollar NBA player.

[Plowright]

Observer says we offered DJ roughly $6mil/yr for multiple years. Man, did he ever blow it big time. That has to hurt the wallet.

Yeah but he has got out of Charlotte where he has been unhappy pretty much since the LB era and he gets to go to a legit contender and then he can decide where he goes next year in UFA and he will get treated like a god, which will make a nice change for him

[westbrook08]

How is turning down money being greedy? You sound like a huge dick right now. Money isn't everything, especially when you have the financial security of a million dollar NBA player.

Yeah, everyone who screws up a deal says money isn't everything.Money isn't everything if your a guy like jamison,lewis,camby,or allen who have made a ton of money in their careers and just want a ring.Guys in their early 20's don't leave that much money on the table unless they have an agent who is blowing so much smoke their ass that they believe they are going to get a big fat contract and the keys to just walk in and start somewhere.Ray and dj are both back ups,but you can tell that they and their representation are clearly delusional about what they're worth.And don't give me that "dj took less money so he can get more money next year" bullshit.He's a back up and will get back up money.Period.The point i'm trying to make is that we tried to give both of those guys way more than what they were worth.And it was greed and ego that led them to fuck themselves.Not some "money isn't everything" and "i just want my freedom" crap!

[captaincrunk]

Yeah, everyone who screws up a deal says money isn't everything.Money isn't everything if your a guy like jamison,lewis,camby,or allen who have made a ton of money in their careers and just want a ring.Guys in their early 20's don't leave that much money on the table unless they have an agent who is blowing so much smoke their ass that they believe they are going to get a big fat contract and the keys to just walk in and start somewhere.Ray and dj are both back ups,but you can tell that they and their representation are clearly delusional about what they're worth.And don't give me that "dj took less money so he can get more money next year" bullshit.He's a back up and will get back up money.Period.The point i'm trying to make is that we tried to give both of those guys way more than what they were worth.And it was greed and ego that led them to fuck themselves.Not some "money isn't everything" and "i just want my freedom" crap!

DJ being in his early twenties means he has several years to make millions of dollars. Even if he only made 3 million a year, if he plays 10 more years (only early 30s) he'd have 30 fucking million dollars. Can you even comprehend how much money that is? No. You can't. Period.

[ohara831]

But he also has to worry about injury. Signing the long term deal would have taken away that risk. So no matter what, DJ was risking a lot not taking the offer the Cats laid out for him. I like DJ, and hope this works out for him. But it is a big risk.

[BallDontLie]

Apparently no trade was ever on the table with the Pacers from their side. Their GM said he knew DJ was going to become unrestricted for a while as they had been in contact with his agent for a few days and already signed him 5 min after the move to become unrestricted was official. Since they alredy knew DJ was lined up to become a Pacer is why he made the Dallas move to dump some money and their other PG but it looked strange with the second move coming first as they waited for the DJ stuff to become official.

Seems like a poor move to make it so known what we had planed to other front offices, and since they knew what we had planed is killed any hopes of getting any type of assets back in a S&T.

[westbrook08]

DJ being in his early twenties means he has several years to make millions of dollars. Even if he only made 3 million a year, if he plays 10 more years (only early 30s) he'd have 30 fucking million dollars. Can you even comprehend how much money that is? No. You can't. Period.

Actually yes i can.I have quite a few people in my family worth a considerable amount of money.And i also worked in vegas for alot of wealthy people including joe and gavin maloof.The point is that you act like he was just willing to take less money to control his destiny and be his own man.Well, no he didn't.He took less money on a one year deal because he and his agent got greedy last year and fucked up big time! And saying he has plenty of time to make money just makes you seem ignorant.Do you really think augustin would really be happy if he made 45 million over his career instead of 85? No, he'd be pissed.I don't care how much money it is.It's still business! Guys in the twilight of their career might be happy to take less money in the last 2 years of their playing days.There's not one player in the nba coming of a rookie contract who is not trying to maximize money unless it's a situation like roy or oden, where they don't know if they have any time left.He's got a shitty agent and inner circle of people giving him advice.Same thing with felton.This isn't unicef.No one in their situation is trying to be gracious in a free agency situation.Oh' and to answer your question.How is turning down money being greedy? It's being greedy when a team offers you 6 mil a year for 3 years,with an option for a 4th, and instead of taking that deal you tell the team you want around 8 mil a year on a 5 year deal,with an option for a 6th.Which is exactly what dj and felton's camps both did.And neither one of them were worth more than 5 a year realistically when they left here.That's being stupid greedy!

[captaincrunk]

can you at least try to use the spacebar dude?

And no, your anecdotal evidence doesn't impress me.

[westbrook08]

can you at least try to use the spacebar dude?

And no, your anecdotal evidence doesn't impress me.

I don't care!