Gordon vs Hendo

[DashGlobal]

Who do you think is a better SG?

Gordon is pretty solid offensively, certainly more skilled than Hendo on that side of the ball. He dropped over 40 points in a game last year.

At the very least he makes for great offense off the bench.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5p9_ouknbY

[SWedd523]

Neither one is anything special.

Hendo has a weak handle

He can't shoot to save his life

And he couldn't pass even if Steve Smith was on the team

He's not a good SG



I wish we could trade for Wayne Ellington

[DashGlobal]

I vote for Wayne Ellington

make that two

[Black]

Start Higgins.

[Whiz Kid]

Woah Woah Woah. If it comes down to starting Higgins, please start Taylor.

Now on Gordon vs Hendo, they are kind of contrasting each other, which is actually pretty good as a whole. Hendo is the better defender and Gordon is the more offensive guy, thats basically what it comes down to.

[1TruCat]

Yea start Taylor...however Henderson can't shoot to save his life??... obviously you have not watch him play. Now he can't hit a 3 to save his life but inside the three he's money. But to answer the question Gordon is slightly better because of his high volume scoring ability.

[Plowright]

Hendo is the better defender and rebounder. Swedd, what you mean he can't shoot to save his life!? Like 1 true cat said he has a pretty good midrange game, now he is not a good 3% shooter. Gordon can obviously stretch the defense, score in bunches and get to the ft line. If I had to pick one guy on equal contracts I would pick Gordon I think just for his ability to score, play multiple positions.

[spectre]

Swedd be trolling somewhat.

Agreed...if anything it'd be Taylor vs. Hendo. Not going to be giving up Hendo's spot after one SL game however.

[Zoolander]

Henderson. I would start Taylor over him tho. He and MKG already have excellent chemistry in that defensive scheme. Taylor is up on the ball and MKG is the thief lurking in the shadows.

[DashGlobal]

If Hendo was a rookie id certainly want to give the job to Taylor. Hendo has improved alot so for right now I would keep Hendo as a starter and give Taylor enough minutes to see which player is better.

At the very least I want Taylor to be a big part of our rotation and get plenty of playing time.

Then if Taylor shows to be the better player have Hendo backup the wings along with Gordon.

[WAM9]

Henderson is our starting SG until proven otherwise. The job is his and he hasn't done anything to jeopardize that.

With all this talk of what Dunlap will be able to do for Smack, Kemba, MKG, etc..., there doesn't seem to be a lot of conversation of how Henderson will improve under him. I personally think you are going to see a much improved Henderson from last year. Athletes in general should excel in his system and luckily, I put Kemba, MKG, Taylor, Henderson and Biyombo all squarely in that corner (maybe even Sessions and Gordon also).

With that being said, I just can't understand the "start Taylor" arguement. He is a 2nd round pick with exactly 1 summer league game under his belt. I am as excited as anyone about him but to suggest that he should be the starter doesn't make sense to me. Give him some time and let him earn the job if he can. That is a much better scenerio.

[DashGlobal]

With that being said, I just can't understand the "start Taylor" arguement. He is a 2nd round pick with exactly 1 summer league game under his belt. I am as excited as anyone about him but to suggest that he should be the starter doesn't make sense to me. Give him some time and let him earn the job if he can. That is a much better scenerio.

Generally speaking you might have a point, but you have to remb we are the nba's worst team ever so even marginal talent will have more importance on our roster than other teams.

You are looking at it from the wrong point of view. You need to look at it in is Taylor one of our 5-6 best players. Id say yes or pretty darn close to it. So I could see him starting or getting alot of burn.

As of right now id rate our players (on skill not potential)

1) Hendo
2) MKG
3) Gordon
4) Kemba
5) Taylor
6) Sessions
7) Brown
8) Mully
9) Thomas
10) Biz

As you can see we are def more guard /wing heavy.

I certainly dont view Biz as our 10th most important player and might would switch him and Thomas is Biz improves this year.

[WAM9]

Generally speaking you might have a point, but you have to remb we are the nba's worst team ever so even marginal talent will have more importance on our roster than other teams.

You are looking at it from the wrong point of view. You need to look at it in is Taylor one of our 5-6 best players. Id say yes or pretty darn close to it. So I could see him starting or getting alot of burn.

As of right now id rate our players (on skill not potential)

1) Hendo
2) MKG
3) Gordon
4) Kemba
5) Taylor
6) Sessions
7) Brown
8) Mully
9) Thomas
10) Biz

As you can see we are def more guard /wing heavy.

I certainly dont view Biz as our 10th most important player and might would switch him and Thomas is Biz improves this year.

So you are going to bench our most talented player, by your own list, in order to start Taylor? If not, are you playing Hendo instead of Kemba at the point? Maybe Hendo instead of MKG at the SF? Obviously, you can't "start" someone without benching someone else.

Competition is a great thing. Let's let Hendo and Taylor get on the court at the same time before we decide that a 2nd round pick should start at SG going into next season.

[Hormel]

8) Mully

Mully looking stylish

I don't understand this sudden serge of start Taylor, I understand he had 1 good summer league game, I'm excited about his potential also, but I want to see more out of a 2nd round pick before he is an instant starter. Heck, most late lottery picks have to really show something to start in the NBA.

As for the topic, I want Hendo to start, last year he was the best player on our team, he deserves to start the season at SG. Ben Gordon -may- be a better player, but I really want ben gordon as our 6th man. I think Ben Gordon has a shot at being top 5 consideration in the 6th man of the year award

[spectre]

Henderson is our starting SG until proven otherwise. The job is his and he hasn't done anything to jeopardize that.

With all this talk of what Dunlap will be able to do for Smack, Kemba, MKG, etc..., there doesn't seem to be a lot of conversation of how Henderson will improve under him. I personally think you are going to see a much improved Henderson from last year. Athletes in general should excel in his system and luckily, I put Kemba, MKG, Taylor, Henderson and Biyombo all squarely in that corner (maybe even Sessions and Gordon also).

With that being said, I just can't understand the "start Taylor" arguement. He is a 2nd round pick with exactly 1 summer league game under his belt. I am as excited as anyone about him but to suggest that he should be the starter doesn't make sense to me. Give him some time and let him earn the job if he can. That is a much better scenerio.

But he's just so shiny and new!

[Mustachio]

Hendo is the starting sg. And Jeff Taylor isnt going to play sg for us. Jeez one game against the Kings summer scrubs and you guys have him in the hall of fame. I love what hes shown so far but playing him at sg on a team with hendo gordon williams isnt going to happen.

We only have two small forwards on this team and MKG isnt playing 48 minutes. They will split time at sf.

Relax. Maybe catch another game against summer scrubs before we have the Jeff Taylor vs Michael Jordan discussion.

[SWedd523]

I wonder if we can get Danny Green from San Antonio for Hendo in a trade.

[CTownSC]

I'm thinking we have our Danny Green in Taylor.

[Adam42R]

I wonder if we can get Danny Green from San Antonio for Hendo in a trade.

You sure you wouldn't want Dante Calabria from the Italian League instead?

[SWedd523]

What's McCants up to these days, hell even he'd be an improvement

[Black]

Anyone have Makhtar N'Diaye's number?

[SWedd523]

Anyone have Makhtar N'Diaye's number?
I don't think you get it

[notdeadyet]

I fully expect Taylor to become the starting SG, maybe not game 1, but unless Henderson improves or Gordon sudeenly becomes a lot more defensive-minded, Taylor will be there.
Nice problem to have. Gordon will likely see some PT at PG too, and Taylor at SF. Having players who can handle multiple positions is a VERY good thing...

[gm in training]

wow im seriously starting to think that ya dont watch any nba games. its not even debatable , henderson is clearly going to start,and is a potential all-star caliber player. ben gordon is nothing at best but a good 6th man and a scoring punch who gives our roster flexibility.gordon couldn't start over hamilton or stuckey because he's a tweener(have the size of a point but skill set of a 2-guard) if guard was a concern we would drafted beal who was uanimously choosed by every expert as the 2nd best prospect and cant miss franchise player,but management felt that gerald was our man. this ISN'T 2k everybody ,im starting to think ppl based him off 2k ratings or something because im seeing that he doesn't have handle(false),and the worst one of all he doesn't have a jump shot. you don't score 15 points off of dunks every game(common sense).he's a guard who shot 46% this year(top 5 amongst 2-guards)and that was behind d-wade and james harden. having a 3 pointer doesn't define a scorers game ,statically d-wade and lebron had their best years because they lowered their 3 point attempts significantly. i know he's not lebron or wade but the point i was making was their scorers and didn't rely on the 3-ball to expand their game. there is almost 10 different ways to score with out shooting a 3-pointer and henderson can score about 7 ways. hendo can pull-up , come off screens,transition, score off contact,play above the rim,create off the dribble basically ya get it . what solidifies him as the starter(or potential star) is that he is a 2 way player,something gordon is not. hendo is one of the most aggressive defenders in the league and challenges every shot ,he even is a decent weak-side shot blocker.hendo also is an above-average rebounder for his height and position ,something gordon cant do.all in all gordon is a situational player like most tweeners and hendo is a starter like most 2-way players.also, stop with taylor stuff, at best he's a arron affalo clone with a 40 inch vertical. taylor may have the worst ball-handle out of all the wing players and he can't create worth s#*t. of course you have the occasional pull-jumper but thats about it. taylor is truly an sf who may just become a spot up shooter who can play good d but his lack of scoring moves will keep him at sf and summer lg's are full of other draft picks and d-league talent so don't get to happy

[spectre]

Scrub, all star...I'm so confused! :confused:

[dnbman]

Swedd's going to need to change his avatar to Loki, the trickster god.

I don't think there's much doubt right now that Henderson is the starter, unless Gordon really shows him up in pre-season. Taylor may one day become a starting 2, but I doubt it happens in the next two seasons. The most significant thing Taylor does for a situation is make Gordon expendable, as Taylor could give us the three point shooting that we desired in Gordon but back up the 2 and 3. I see it as Hendo and MKG as a future 2 and 3, barring a significant upgrade at the 2, and Taylor being a great bench player at both positions. Gordon provides short term stability, but I don't think he's in the picture for long.

[TheBeagle]

Between the two listed by OP: Junior.

My pick? Like I've mentioned a couple times on the board already, JT is my man! He will push Junior hard. Just watch.

[Whiz Kid]

wow im seriously starting to think that ya dont watch any nba games. its not even debatable , henderson is clearly going to start,and is a potential all-star caliber player. ben gordon is nothing at best but a good 6th man and a scoring punch who gives our roster flexibility.gordon couldn't start over hamilton or stuckey because he's a tweener(have the size of a point but skill set of a 2-guard) if guard was a concern we would drafted beal who was uanimously choosed by every expert as the 2nd best prospect and cant miss franchise player,but management felt that gerald was our man. this ISN'T 2k everybody ,im starting to think ppl based him off 2k ratings or something because im seeing that he doesn't have handle(false),and the worst one of all he doesn't have a jump shot. you don't score 15 points off of dunks every game(common sense).he's a guard who shot 46% this year(top 5 amongst 2-guards)and that was behind d-wade and james harden. having a 3 pointer doesn't define a scorers game ,statically d-wade and lebron had their best years because they lowered their 3 point attempts significantly. i know he's not lebron or wade but the point i was making was their scorers and didn't rely on the 3-ball to expand their game. there is almost 10 different ways to score with out shooting a 3-pointer and henderson can score about 7 ways. hendo can pull-up , come off screens,transition, score off contact,play above the rim,create off the dribble basically ya get it . what solidifies him as the starter(or potential star) is that he is a 2 way player,something gordon is not. hendo is one of the most aggressive defenders in the league and challenges every shot ,he even is a decent weak-side shot blocker.hendo also is an above-average rebounder for his height and position ,something gordon cant do.all in all gordon is a situational player like most tweeners and hendo is a starter like most 2-way players.also, stop with taylor stuff, at best he's a arron affalo clone with a 40 inch vertical. taylor may have the worst ball-handle out of all the wing players and he can't create worth s#*t. of course you have the occasional pull-jumper but thats about it. taylor is truly an sf who may just become a spot up shooter who can play good d but his lack of scoring moves will keep him at sf and summer lg's are full of other draft picks and d-league talent so don't get to happy

If your name is correct, and you truly are a "gm in training," you are overly optimistic for a gm.

1) Henderson is not going to be a all-star. Even in his best days he is a fringe 20ppg scorer.
2) When people say he doesn't have a jumpshot, they mean completely. Consistency paired with range. Henderson has a semi-consistent mid-range game but lacks the ability to make 3's.
3) His handle is nothing great. I'd call it good enough to get by. Enough to pass.
4) LeBron James and D-Wade aren't classified as scorers. Of course, they score 20+ ppg, but they aren't scorers. It is common sense to lower your 3 point attempts if you aren't consistent in making them, in which neither one of them are. They are 2 sides of the same coin when because they both get to the rim but finish differently. Hendo doesn't have the handle or craftiness to finish at the rim like D-Wade and he doesn't have the pure strength to finish at the rim like LeBron.
5) Saying Hendo is at the top of the entire LEAGUE in defensive aggressiveness is a stretch. He's a good defender, but there's many you could put above him
6) Hendo's spot is not carved in stone. Jeff Taylor can definitely be the starting SG on this team.
a) Taylor's handle isn't what you're making it out to be. He takes the simpler path to getting his own shot, which he showed tonight against Cleveland. A pump fake off the catch and then a couple dribbles by the defender. Or maybe a couple dribbles to a quick pull up. Or maybe the fadeaway. Not to mention he can knock down the 3 ball very well.
b) He's still got tons more to develop. Hendo can still develop some, but his game may not evolve much more. I don't see why you're so high on him. Yeah, he's good. But he's not irreplaceable.

[BubbaGolf]

On this team Gerald Henderson should play the same role that Thabo Sefolosha plays for Oklahoma City. He needs to focus on being an excellent permiter defender and hustling after rebounds, loose balls, and just being an opportunist. If he can be a shut-down defender, grab some rebounds, and score 12-15 points per game I would be happy with him. Let Gordon come off the bench and hopefully be a high volume scorer.

[cltblkhscoach]

I think Gerald is being forgotten a bit here. Everyone loves the new, shiny thing, and Taylor is awesome value for a 2nd round pick. And he might be a starter at some point. But let's not act like Gerald is a role player. I think Gerald's ceiling is a #3 player in a Big 3 type role. He should he could be a volume scorer towards the end of last year, and started to show some leadership traits as well. Taylor has some good skills as well, but why does it have to be one over the other? Gerald has earned the right to be one of this team's leaders, and Jeff gives us some great depth off the bench, something I don't think we've ever had. Everyone doesn't have to be a starter to be a valuable piece, and the best reference I love to make is Dell Curry. We've never had one of those, and with Gordon and Taylor, we might have some firepower now once the starters need a break.

[DashGlobal]

I think Gerald is being forgotten a bit here. Everyone loves the new, shiny thing, and Taylor is awesome value for a 2nd round pick. And he might be a starter at some point. But let's not act like Gerald is a role player. I think Gerald's ceiling is a #3 player in a Big 3 type role. He should he could be a volume scorer towards the end of last year, and started to show some leadership traits as well. Taylor has some good skills as well, but why does it have to be one over the other? Gerald has earned the right to be one of this team's leaders, and Jeff gives us some great depth off the bench, something I don't think we've ever had. Everyone doesn't have to be a starter to be a valuable piece, and the best reference I love to make is Dell Curry. We've never had one of those, and with Gordon and Taylor, we might have some firepower now once the starters need a break.

Did my eyes deceive me?!? Did someone really just mention Hendo in a BIG 3 scenario?!?

Big players as commonly mentioned around the league is all star types. Something Hendo will never be.

[cltblkhscoach]

Henderson can be a Big 3 guy with 2 other guys as the focal point, yes, I totally believe that. He averaged 16 last year on the worst team ever with every team knowing he was our #1 option. You put two other volume scorers beside him, why can't he be like an Andre Iguodala? We would agree he's best as a #3 right? You guys are really undervaluing Gerald here. I'm not saying Gerald will be a perennial all-star, but he has a good mid-range game and has some off the dribble ability.

Gerald hasn't maxed out his ability yet, and with a better offense and other threats on the court it's only going to help his development even more. I'm amazed he showed progress in the mess of a season we had last year.

[DashGlobal]

Henderson can be a Big 3 guy with 2 other guys as the focal point, yes, I totally believe that. He averaged 16 last year on the worst team ever with every team knowing he was our #1 option. You put two other volume scorers beside him, why can't he be like an Andre Iguodala? We would agree he's best as a #3 right? You guys are really undervaluing Gerald here. I'm not saying Gerald will be a perennial all-star, but he has a good mid-range game and has some off the dribble ability.

Gerald hasn't maxed out his ability yet, and with a better offense and other threats on the court it's only going to help his development even more. I'm amazed he showed progress in the mess of a season we had last year.

In my mind to be a referred to as a part of some teams "Big 3" you need to be a perennial All Star. Guys like Lebron, Pierce, Garnett, Bosh, Wade, Gasol, Kobe, Melo, Parker, Duncan, ect.

Gerald is a solid role player on a good team. A nice 6th man. (Right now anyways)

If he can prove to be a 20+ppg scorer and make multiple All Star games than I will be elevate him to that status. Which I don't see happening.

[TheBeagle]

I think Gerald is being forgotten a bit here. Everyone loves the new, shiny thing, and Taylor is awesome value for a 2nd round pick. And he might be a starter at some point. But let's not act like Gerald is a role player. I think Gerald's ceiling is a #3 player in a Big 3 type role. He should he could be a volume scorer towards the end of last year, and started to show some leadership traits as well. Taylor has some good skills as well, but why does it have to be one over the other? Gerald has earned the right to be one of this team's leaders, and Jeff gives us some great depth off the bench, something I don't think we've ever had. Everyone doesn't have to be a starter to be a valuable piece, and the best reference I love to make is Dell Curry. We've never had one of those, and with Gordon and Taylor, we might have some firepower now once the starters need a break. The difference is that I think Junior has hit his ceiling, which isn't that bad. Lots of players never max out their potential, and Junior's done it, which is a testament to his hard work. I would love it if he could prove me wrong and be a starting-caliber 2 on a contending team, much less an All Star or a member of a "big 3", but I just don't see it happening. There's not much he offers other than a usually solid jumper off a curl, an occasional strong finish at the rim, and so-so defense. I don't have any doubt he'll be starting at 2 the whole season, but I think JT, as he learns the NBA game, will push Junior hard for that position by the following season (if we haven't upgraded by then). He doesn't have quite the explosion Junior does, but in everything else, from BBIQ to three-point shooting, JT is the better player, or, will prove to be over time.

But we can all agree we're in a good place that we can be having this discussion at all.

[Mustachio]

I'm still not sure where everyone is getting this Taylor will push for Hendos job thing.

1. Taylor is a SF.
2. Taylor has to pass Williams and Gordon to even take Hendo's spot.
3. We only have 2 SF's on this team. MKG and Taylor, why would we be worried about Taylor playing 2 when he will have plenty of burn behind MKG.
4. You guys are annointing Taylor as a better NBA player than Henderson after 2 Summer League games... one in which he struggled pretty mightily.

I am super stoked about Taylors ability, but theres a reason he dropped to 31. He has things to prove, and YOU CANNOT USE SUMMER LEAGUE as any indicator of his future position on this team. Its just a feeling out session for GM's and Coachs and a way to acclimate these guys to the league. The guys he is playing against wont be there come regular season... they will be replaced by bigger, stronger, faster dudes, the same dudes Gerald Henderson has already proven him self against by becoming a 15ppg guy in his second real season in the league.

[TheBeagle]

I'm still not sure where everyone is getting this Taylor will push for Hendos job thing.

1. Taylor is a SF.
2. Taylor has to pass Williams and Gordon to even take Hendo's spot.
3. We only have 2 SF's on this team. MKG and Taylor, why would we be worried about Taylor playing 2 when he will have plenty of burn behind MKG.
4. You guys are annointing Taylor as a better NBA player than Henderson after 2 Summer League games... one in which he struggled pretty mightily.

I am super stoked about Taylors ability, but theres a reason he dropped to 31. He has things to prove, and YOU CANNOT USE SUMMER LEAGUE as any indicator of his future position on this team. Its just a feeling out session for GM's and Coachs and a way to acclimate these guys to the league. The guys he is playing against wont be there come regular season... they will be replaced by bigger, stronger, faster dudes, the same dudes Gerald Henderson has already proven him self against by becoming a 15ppg guy in his second real season in the league. My argument is that over time, JT will push Junior. It's obvious Junior is our starting 2 for 82 games unless injured, and depth being what it is, JT will be the primary backup at 3. Also, there's the possible roster moves that could come into play (re-sign Jr? trade him? trade JT? find/draft a better player than either?) to make this argument pointless but if both are on the roster 2 years from now, with MKG embedded at 3, JT would be a strong contender for the starting 2.

Plus, it just makes for good summer talk.

[gm in training]

Henderson can be a Big 3 guy with 2 other guys as the focal point, yes, I totally believe that. He averaged 16 last year on the worst team ever with every team knowing he was our #1 option. You put two other volume scorers beside him, why can't he be like an Andre Iguodala? We would agree he's best as a #3 right? You guys are really undervaluing Gerald here. I'm not saying Gerald will be a perennial all-star, but he has a good mid-range game and has some off the dribble ability.

Gerald hasn't maxed out his ability yet, and with a better offense and other threats on the court it's only going to help his development even more. I'm amazed he showed progress in the mess of a season we had last year.

i agree . im the biggest gerald spokesman on here and thats because i've watched almost every bobcat game ,and not going by perception(hendo is just a dunker). anybody who has watched hendo can see that he will be an all-star. once again in 2 bobcat seasons he is shooting 46% which is amazing but because he isn't a high volume jacker like russell westbrook who will avg 22 ppg but shoot 12-27 every game, ppl are blinded by the reality that russell is a bad scorer ,loses the concept of the team,and forces alot of to's.i hate when ppl say that hendo doesn't have a 3 game well, so? he's shooting 46% which no matter how u slice it ,its shooting 46% .gerald has post moves , a great mid-game ,and he plays great d.like i said taylor may be a good role player but at best he is a mikeal pietrus clone: athletic but cant create for others , cant create for his self,bad handle, good defender,and can stretch the floor.watch taylors college and summer lg games he basically a spot up shooter.his last 9 games of last year he avg 19 points a game while attempting about 17 shots a game and a increase in min. usually most players end the season hot pick up the next year even better .