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DashGlobal
07-16-2012, 02:25 AM
We did a much better job in the 2nd quarter, but we still need alot of work in this department.

1st Quarter

1) Kemba - deep 3 Poor shot
2) Mully - deep contested 3 Poor shot
3) JT - mid rang jumper off screen Good shot
4) Biz - rushed post hook Ok shot
5) Kemba - quick spinning fade away Poor shot
6) Mully - late contested 3 Poor shot
7) Higgins - mid range drive fouled Good shot
8) JT - quick contested 3 Poor shot
9) Kemba - wild heave at shot clock buzzer Poor shot
10) Kemba - mid range drive pull up Good shot
11) JT - deep 2 contested pull up Poor shot
12) Kemba - deep clean look 3 Poor shot (normally this would be ok but he needs to attack and look for layups and easy elbow jumpers,as of now he shouldnt have a green light from)
13) Mully - clean up bucket Good shot
14) Emgi - deep hook Ok shot
15) Brown - drive contested fade away Poor shot
16) Kemba - quick spinning contested deep 2 Poor shot
17) Biz - layup Good shot

2nd Quarter

1) Paris - open 3 Good shot
2) JT - mid range pull up off 1 move Fouled Good shot
3) Higgins - mid range pull up jumper slightly off balance Ok shot
4) Mully - somewhat clean look 3 Ok shot
5) ? - nice cut layup Good shot
6) JT - clean 3 Good shot
7) JT - aggressive drive layup Good shot
8) Mully - contested 3 Poor shot
9) ? - aggressive drive layup Good shot
10) Mully - late contested 3 Poor shot
11) Mully - clean 3 Good shot
12) JT - drive floater Ok shot
13) Kemba - drive step back somewhat contested j Ok shot
14) Brown - Dunk Good shot
15) Kemba - open elbow jumper Good shot
16) Biz - wild contested j Poor shot
17) ? - clean mid range j Good shot

Totals

Poor Shots - 13 '(38%)

Good Shots - 15 (44%)

Ok Shots - 6 (17%)

Total Shots - 34

As you can see we only got a good shot off 44% of the time. This needs to be around 70-80%. We need to cut down the poor shots to 10-15% of the time.

We have got to focus on maximizing every possession and getting the highest % / best shot possible.

cltblkhscoach
07-16-2012, 02:53 AM
I'll give you credit for going back and breaking those details down man, that's some dedication lol

DashGlobal
07-16-2012, 03:03 AM
I'll give you credit for going back and breaking those details down man, that's some dedication lol

Thanks man. I am all about the intricacies of the game.

So much can be learned from breaking down tape on both sides of the ball.

SWedd523
07-16-2012, 06:21 AM
Not from a summer league game, it can't

DashGlobal
07-16-2012, 09:03 AM
Not from a summer league game, it can't

The only argument you could make would be that the players and coach didnt care about the summer league and just viewed it as a backyard pickup game.

I doubt Dunlap views it that way.

On top of that, I saw the same poor shot selection all last year during the regular season.

But I guess you are free to think what you want...

SWedd523
07-16-2012, 09:20 AM
The only argument you could make would be that the players and coach didnt care about the summer league and just viewed it as a backyard pickup game.

I doubt Dunlap views it that way.
It has been stated many times by coaches, players, and commentators that the teams aren't running a full playbook. In fact, most teams are running strict p&r or giving directives to each player to work on a certain part of their game (ex: giving Mullens the green light or making sure Bismack repeatedly gets the ball in the low block).

Not to even mention that the likes of Higgins, Ralph Sampson, Paris Horne, and a slew of other guys who aren't NBA talents are out there lowering the collective talent level of the team.


It's the summer league, not the finals. There is no need to read any more into it than what it is.

Jerryd Bayless--30 ppg
Quincy Douby--23 ppg
Von Wafer--24 ppg
Adam Morrison--20 ppg

In other words, it's the Summer League.



On top of that, I saw the same poor shot selection all last year during the regular season.
Since the teams from last year's regular season and now are so completely the same? Fantastic comparison.



But I guess you are free to think what you want...
Thanks chief.

Mustachio
07-16-2012, 09:31 AM
Summer league is to be enjoyed, not analyzed.

DashGlobal
07-16-2012, 09:43 AM
It has been stated many times by coaches, players, and commentators that the teams aren't running a full playbook. In fact, most teams are running strict p&r or giving directives to each player to work on a certain part of their game (ex: giving Mullens the green light or making sure Bismack repeatedly gets the ball in the low block).

Not to even mention that the likes of Higgins, Ralph Sampson, Paris Horne, and a slew of other guys who aren't NBA talents are out there lowering the collective talent level of the team.


It's the summer league, not the finals. There is no need to read any more into it than what it is.

Jerryd Bayless--30 ppg
Quincy Douby--23 ppg
Von Wafer--24 ppg
Adam Morrison--20 ppg

In other words, it's the Summer League.



Since the teams from last year's regular season and now are so completely the same? Fantastic comparison.



Thanks chief.

Aw I didnt know you had to run a full playbook to take good shots. Interesting

Im not sure how telling Mully to jack every 3 is gonna help his game. Hell, players should practice how they are gonna play which should always be SMART and HARD. This was an actual game.

Actually some of the lesser players you mentioned played well esp Brown and took smarter shots than the core guys.

True you have to take the summer league for what it is. Gloried scrimmage and even in a scrimmage you can learn some things.

DashGlobal
07-16-2012, 09:48 AM
Summer league is to be enjoyed, not analyzed.

Would you like me to analyze a regular season game?

I would bet money you will still see Kemba, Mully, and other players taking an exuberant amount of poor low % shots.

Some of you are missing the point.

This is about coaching at the end of the day. A coach has got to instill discipline in his team in regards to shot selection.

Granted this is the summer league but, I certainly wouldnt let that be an excuse to let my players play poorly.

Either you play smart and hard ALL the time or you wont play. Simple as that.

Mustachio
07-16-2012, 10:09 AM
Would you like me to analyze a regular season game?

I would bet money you will still see Kemba, Mully, and other players taking an exuberant amount of poor low % shots.

Some of you are missing the point.

This is about coaching at the end of the day. A coach has got to instill discipline in his team in regards to shot selection.

Granted this is the summer league but, I certainly wouldnt let that be an excuse to let my players play poorly.

Either you play smart and hard ALL the time or you wont play. Simple as that.


Yeah I can't believe Dunlap hasn't fixed this team in his second fake game with a 1/4 of the real roster.

DashGlobal
07-16-2012, 10:16 AM
Yeah I can't believe Dunlap hasn't fixed this team in his second fake game with a 1/4 of the real roster.

Sitting guys down and going over their ROLE and what constitutes a GOOD and BAD shot isnt that hard.

That is only one piece in the FIXING process which will take years.

It is early no doubt so I am not overly concerned right now.

***Made this post in response to a poster claiming we were taking mostly good shots in the game this weekend.***

SWedd523
07-16-2012, 11:21 AM
Where were your "breakdowns" after our first game?

You know.... the one where we scored 121 points and blew the other team out

DashGlobal
07-16-2012, 11:37 AM
Where were your "breakdowns" after our first game?

You know.... the one where we scored 121 points and blew the other team out

Did you not read the above?

I only posted this due to a poster claiming we took mostly good shots on sat. I disagreed, so we can easily go back and see who was right / wrong.

As far as the 1st game goes, I didnt get to watch all of it and don't recall the specifics ie taking mostly good shots, taking poor shots that happen to go in, taking a mixture of good and ok shots ect.

SWedd523
07-16-2012, 11:41 AM
Did you not read the above?

I only posted this due to a poster claiming we took mostly good shots on sat. I disagreed, so we can easily go back and see who was right / wrong.

As far as the 1st game goes, I didnt get to watch all of it and don't recall the specifics ie taking mostly good shots, taking poor shots that happen to go in, taking a mixture of good and ok shots ect.
Well you seem to think it's the norm for these guys to take a ton of bad shots, so what if it was just an, I dunno, bad game? and the first game (total domination on both ends of the floor) is more of the norm?

Or maybe you're thinking way too hard into a SL game with only 4 rotation guys getting any minutes.

MINDFREAK!

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DashGlobal
07-16-2012, 11:47 AM
Well you seem to think it's the norm for these guys to take a ton of bad shots, so what if it was just an, I dunno, bad game? and the first game (total domination on both ends of the floor) is more of the norm?

Or maybe you're thinking way too hard into a SL game with only 4 rotation guys getting any minutes.

MINDFREAK!



After last year, yes I think it is the norm for our players (that played last year) to take a ton a bad shots.

Maybe taking bad shots has something to do when a team / player has a bad night? Hmm

Like I said, I aint to concerned right now. Although I would like to see our team play smart every game / practice. I only made this post to prove that we took a lot of bad shots on sat.

SWedd523
07-16-2012, 11:48 AM
I only made this post to prove that we took a lot of bad shots on sat.

*In my opinion*


Fixed. And Gotcha.

GoBobs
07-16-2012, 11:54 AM
the difference between a good shot and a bad shot is if it goes in
-charles barkley

DashGlobal
07-16-2012, 11:56 AM
Fixed. And Gotcha.

Contested 3's = Bad shot

Poor shooters taking 3's = Bad shot

Wild off balance shots = Bad shot

Solid shooter coming off a screen for a clean look = Good shot

Yea just my opinion :)

spectre
07-16-2012, 12:10 PM
We do take a lot of bad shots but that's still a result of last year where our offensive plays (LOL!) didn't get us anything. The clock gets down and then someone has to get something up. It's going to take a while to get out of that habit, but it also takes more talent...which we are slowly but surely bringing in.

MKG sure helps a LOT. Without him we couldn't get into the paint at all last night...well Kemba could...but he really had no chance as everyone sagged down on him. With MKG and his awesome driving ability it just opens up the defense so much.

Optimistic that it will get better.

Talent
07-16-2012, 12:24 PM
I think this was just a bad shooting night. A lot of those shots were wide open and just didn't fall. Last year's team was not wide open most of the time with the exception of Mully. I heard the coach state that you have to take those shots when they are given to you for the other team to start respecting your range.

DashGlobal
07-16-2012, 12:32 PM
I think this was just a bad shooting night. A lot of those shots were wide open and just didn't fall. Last year's team was not wide open most of the time with the exception of Mully. I heard the coach state that you have to take those shots when they are given to you for the other team to start respecting your range.

We watching the same game?

dnbman
07-16-2012, 01:44 PM
We did a much better job in the 2nd quarter, but we still need alot of work in this department.

1st Quarter

1) Kemba - deep 3 Poor shot
2) Mully - deep contested 3 Poor shot
3) JT - mid rang jumper off screen Good shot
4) Biz - rushed post hook Ok shot
5) Kemba - quick spinning fade away Poor shot
6) Mully - late contested 3 Poor shot
7) Higgins - mid range drive fouled Good shot
8) JT - quick contested 3 Poor shot
9) Kemba - wild heave at shot clock buzzer Poor shot
10) Kemba - mid range drive pull up Good shot
11) JT - deep 2 contested pull up Poor shot
12) Kemba - deep clean look 3 Poor shot (normally this would be ok but he needs to attack and look for layups and easy elbow jumpers,as of now he shouldnt have a green light from)
13) Mully - clean up bucket Good shot
14) Emgi - deep hook Ok shot
15) Brown - drive contested fade away Poor shot
16) Kemba - quick spinning contested deep 2 Poor shot
17) Biz - layup Good shot

2nd Quarter

1) Paris - open 3 Good shot
2) JT - mid range pull up off 1 move Fouled Good shot
3) Higgins - mid range pull up jumper slightly off balance Ok shot
4) Mully - somewhat clean look 3 Ok shot
5) ? - nice cut layup Good shot
6) JT - clean 3 Good shot
7) JT - aggressive drive layup Good shot
8) Mully - contested 3 Poor shot
9) ? - aggressive drive layup Good shot
10) Mully - late contested 3 Poor shot
11) Mully - clean 3 Good shot
12) JT - drive floater Ok shot
13) Kemba - drive step back somewhat contested j Ok shot
14) Brown - Dunk Good shot
15) Kemba - open elbow jumper Good shot
16) Biz - wild contested j Poor shot
17) ? - clean mid range j Good shot

Totals

Poor Shots - 13 '(38%)

Good Shots - 15 (44%)

Ok Shots - 6 (17%)

Total Shots - 34

As you can see we only got a good shot off 44% of the time. This needs to be around 70-80%. We need to cut down the poor shots to 10-15% of the time.

We have got to focus on maximizing every possession and getting the highest % / best shot possible.

This is good. Now what I'd do is watch it one more time, tracking all of the shots again. Then you can compare the numbers to validate your results.