Diop could be dropped

[superb1]

In an expected move that will bring joy to ziggy's ears, Diop could be dropped like it's hot.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/features/rumors


The Charlotte Bobcats can increase their 2012-13 salary cap room on Tuesday by using the amnesty provision. ESPN.com's Marc Stein and Rick Bonnell of The Charlotte Observer list DeSagana Diop as a potential candidate.

Diop doesn't have a future with the team and the removal of his $7.37 million salary makes sense. The Bobcats could amnesty Matt Carroll, however his salary is only $3.5 million for 2012-13

If the Bobcats don't use it on Diop or Carroll, it like means they'll designate Tyrus Thomas in 2013 or 2014.



I say save it we Tyrus does not pan out, just bury Diop so deep on the bench, the towel boy will get more PT than him

[tamburello]

I, for myself, defend the idea of not using the amnesty this season, so I agree with Mr. superb. If we will, the only candidate must be TT, but let's give him a final chance. I'm almost sure he'll blow it but, whatever. What else can we lose?

The reason of my belief is too obvious, I think. The player we will bring with the cap space will not make us contenders for playoffs whatsoever (I don't even mention championship). Diop will be a free agent, and can be used as a trade bait as well as Carroll. We are not paying tax now, so amnesty does not save a dollar for MJ. Next summer, with expiring contracts' coming off the books, we'll have a decent cap space, which can be extended with the amnestying TT and we can offer FA's up to maximum. Also we'll have yet another high draft pick (maybe two, from Portland), and we might have a great core to start winning.

[dav7z]

The best i can guess is we have about five million left to sign a power foward ?? Thats my guess . Humpries is the only one i can see demanding more than that . If we let TT go we would need to sign two Power fowards. Like others i don't want to anmesty expiring contracts . So put me on board of not going over the 58 mil . Tamb how much do we have left to spend .
Guys thet we might be able to afford . DJ White, A Randolph, A Blanche, may be Landry, Can;t we resign UPS last and go over the 58 milion and be no where close to the L Tax ?

[Chef]

to me it is just silly to use it on diop. he is expiring, so at the very worst he comes off the cap in a year where we aren't trying to be that good anyway. at best we flip him for a player on a two year deal and pick up another draft pick. if i were cho, i would take pleasure in using it on tyrus thomas and i wouldn't even need to wait and see. dude is never going to get it.

[Demon DeaCat]

I'm with Tam. With the investment we've made in TT, we might as well exhaust every possibility of getting some return on that. I also agree that using it on Diop is a waste, and using it on Carroll doesn't benefit us enough to be worth it. While I've been an ardent TT supporter, even I have come to terms with the fact that he'll never play up to that contract, but by giving him one more year, at least there's a chance he stays healthy and can improve his stock to the point that he's at least tradeable next year (that's doubtful, but one can hope). The only thing that would make me want to use it on him now is if we had a chance at Humphries. He's young enough that he could be a part of our core going forward, but otherwise, save it til next year.

[raleigh]

If anything, they might trade Diop for a better forward with an extra year left on his contract.

[tamburello]

The best i can guess is we have about five million left to sign a power foward ?? Thats my guess . Humpries is the only one i can see demanding more than that . If we let TT go we would need to sign two Power fowards. Like others i don't want to anmesty expiring contracts . So put me on board of not going over the 58 mil . Tamb how much do we have left to spend .
Guys thet we might be able to afford . DJ White, A Randolph, A Blanche, may be Landry, Can;t we resign UPS last and go over the 58 milion and be no where close to the L Tax ?

Let's calculate the situation together, then?

2012-13 guaranteed salaries:
Gordon, 12.4 mil
TT, 8 mil
Diop, 7.372 mil
MKG, 4.602 mil
Carroll, 3.5 mil
Hendo, 3.101 mil
Biyombo, 2.923 mil
Reggie Williams, 2.612 mil
Kemba, 2.462 mil
BJ Mullens, 2.253 mil
These 10 guaranteed players bring our total to $ 49.228.129

Now, add two newcomers, Ramon Sessions for assumed $ 5 million, and Haywood for assumed $2.05 million, the total reaches $ 56.278 milion. We still have to add Derrick Brown's cap hold to that sum, which is $ 1.085 million, so we end up with a pretty much eaten cap space. Also Jeffery Taylor would probably be signed for minimum.

What do we have other than minimums now? What I understand from the new CBA, we have already used our non-tax payer MLE with Ramon Sessions, so all we have is bi-annual exception, which is $1.957mil and for two years. Thus, we can say goodbye to Landry, Randolph and all the other major PF targets. In another thread, I suggested Kenyon Martin for up to $3 million, but I noticed my mistake, sorry for that.

CBA gurus, please correct me if I'm wrong at something.

[Plowright]

haha I tweeted Marc Stein yesterday saying he would be amnestied to make room for signing Humphries to a bigger contract after we lost out on Jamison and he posted it on his twitter, I said "according to a source close to the situation" It seemed real legit, too bad I was just making stuff up haha

[BlockParty]

Things we know:

Diop and Thomas are the only real candidates to use the amnesty clause on. Carroll is to some degree, but only if we had a deal in place today that required less than $3.5 M of Cap space (which is Carroll's cap hit). I'd be surprised if that was the case.

Diop will never exist in Dunlap's system. Diop offers no benefit in an up-tempo offense, nor does he offer any benefit in a pressing defense that requires the Bigs (Haywood, Biz and Mullens) to sprint back on Defense. Diop would take 6-7 seconds minimum to get back on D.

Diop's contract actually has value this season. As an expiring contract, for the first time since he was on our roster, Diop's contract actually has some value this season.

Buying time-Everything else being equal-without a deal in place, waiting 1 more year to use our amnesty option might be a good thing, gives Dunlap a year to wake Tyrus' butt up.

Reasons Cho may pull the trigger and Amnesty Diop/Thomas today

Flexibility-we were able to make the trade for Ben Gordon (also known as "getting a first round draft pick trade") because we had Cap flexibility. If we sign one more player (Landry) we further limit the flexibility we'd have in future trade situations (like partnering whenever Howard is actually traded from Orlando). This would be a good sign that an early season trade is more probable than not. Remember, these decisions have nothing to do with putting the best possible roster together for this season, and everything to do with accumulating the best pool of assets (roster, draft picks & cap flexibility) for the team moving forward.

Reality-Diop is not getting any minutes this season. We would actually be more productive on the court with MKG, Hendo or a 10-day contract guy getting minutes at the Center position (if our Bigs were hurt or in foul trouble) than we would with Diop on the court.

The checkbook-Amnesty on Diop today would send a message to the players-be in shape or your are gone. Diop is in a round shape. MJ has to pay Diop this year anyway so, it's not really going to cost him more money to amnesty his this season or not.

X-factor-Tyrus Thomas: it's possible the Bobcats have already decided that Dunlap can or Cannot rehabilitate Thomas. The sooner we figure that out, the better. If we amnesty Thomas today, it's a demonstration of our lack of faith in TT's ability to accept responsibility for his obligations to work hard and play smart.

[superb1]

I'm not at a computer to look it up and share but I believe I saw this morning on ESPN.com that we are close to the cap and have used our MLE. Only team with cap space was the Cavs. So I believe if we amnesty anyone there is a plan behind it if immediately known to us

sent from the pseudo GM offices of the Charlotte Bobcats.

[dav7z]

Let's calculate the situation together, then?

2012-13 guaranteed salaries:
Gordon, 12.4 mil
TT, 8 mil
Diop, 7.372 mil
MKG, 4.602 mil
Carroll, 3.5 mil
Hendo, 3.101 mil
Biyombo, 2.923 mil
Reggie Williams, 2.612 mil
Kemba, 2.462 mil
BJ Mullens, 2.253 mil
These 10 guaranteed players bring our total to $ 49.228.129

Now, add two newcomers, Ramon Sessions for assumed $ 5 million, and Haywood for assumed $2.05 million, the total reaches $ 56.278 milion. We still have to add Derrick Brown's cap hold to that sum, which is $ 1.085 million, so we end up with a pretty much eaten cap space. Also Jeffery Taylor would probably be signed for minimum.

What do we have other than minimums now? What I understand from the new CBA, we have already used our non-tax payer MLE with Ramon Sessions, so all we have is bi-annual exception, which is $1.957mil and for two years. Thus, we can say goodbye to Landry, Randolph and all the other major PF targets. In another thread, I suggested Kenyon Martin for up to $3 million, but I noticed my mistake, sorry for that.

CBA gurus, please correct me if I'm wrong at something.

Thanks Tamb , The way i see it is we have only a few choices , Trade one of our wings like R Williams ,Anemsty TT and sign Humpries whitch im not a fan of doing . I would rather have that money for a max free agent next season. Sign a vet minium contract . Or resign DJ White for 1 year and UPS two a one year . If we don't use the Amnesty we will have like 20 milion to use of the free agent market . Just saying

[Ghost Kat]

Diop....Gone....Good.../thread

[spectre]

Kind of an irrellevant point Tam but we used pure space to sign Sessions, not the MLE. A team starting out below the cap = or greater to the MLE doesn't get it.

Basically we're right at the cap with only the vet min to add any players. If nothing else we have to amnesty Gana just for some flexibility.

Edit: As Dav mentioned we do have other avenues, specifically trade. Assuming however that our "assets" that we'd be willing to get rid of have little value I don't know how feasible trading really is.

[tamburello]

Kind of an irrellevant point Tam but we used pure space to sign Sessions, not the MLE. A team starting out below the cap = or greater to the MLE doesn't get it.


Until today, I was exactly thinking the same way. However, something that I have just read, made me think otherwise.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q26


If a team is below the cap, then their Disabled Player, Bi-Annual, Mid-Level (either the Taxpayer or Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level, whichever applies to the team) and/or trade exceptions are added to their team salary, and the league treats the team as though they are over the cap

The way I see it, we mention the same things, but in different perspectives.

[spectre]

From the same link:


So being under the cap does not necessarily mean a team has room to sign free agents. For example, assume the cap is $58 million, and a team has $51.5 million committed to salaries. They also have a Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level exception for $5 million and a trade exception for $5.5 million. Even though their salaries put them $6.5 million under the cap, their exceptions also count toward their team salary, increasing their total to $62 million, or $4 million over the cap. So the team actually has no cap room to sign free agents, and instead must use its exceptions to sign players.

Teams have the option to renounce their exceptions in order to reclaim their cap room. So in the example above, if the team renounced their Traded Player and Mid-Level exceptions, then the $10.5 million is taken off their team salary, which then totals $51.5 million, leaving them with $6.5 million of cap room which then can be used to sign free agent(s).
Don't you figure we renounced the MLE (and other exceptions) in order to use the available space? If we didn't, wouldn't amnestying anyone put us in the situation where we've used the MLE and then went back to being under the cap which we would then try to use as free space?

I would think claiming the MLE would go against amnestying in order to pick up new players.

[tamburello]

You are right, I simply could not figure it out. I probably got somehow confused by the crowded words and expressions there. Sorry.

That means we only have bi-annual exception then.

[spectre]

You are right, I simply could not figure it out. I probably got somehow confused by the crowded words and expressions there. Sorry.

That means we only have bi-annual exception then.

One of the times I'd rather not be right because without the above I'm right with your way of thinking.

[dav7z]

Guys can we not sign DJ White and UPS contracts . Without any cap concerns at all??

[spectre]

Going off Tam's #s we should be around 56.3 million give or take...leaving approx. 1.7 million til the limit. That would allow us to fit UPS in there but no one else.

You don't really want White back do you? That boy did about the unthinkable; make Tyrus look like he had a decent BBIQ.

Bet he wishes he'd have taken our 4 per offer. On the flip I'm extremely glad he didn't.

[Charlotteisthebest]

I say amnesty Diop, he is going to be payed 7million this season to not play as it is, might as well go out and use his cap space to sign a decent PF who can contribute this season. The fans need a decent team to cheer for this season, something has got to start building in this city basketball wise, only 1 winning season in franchise history, the time to start picking up some wins is now!

[notdeadyet]

With Jamison and Humphries both gone, we have few 'semi-good' vets available to sign. If we don't need to amnesty Diop, I suspect we hang on to it in case we need it next year to use on Tyrus.

[MadBOBCATfanUK]

If all the stuff about Cho thinking everything is an asset, then I don't think we see Diop go. Theres no one on the market that great anyway so I don't see the point.

[Black]

Don't use it unless a move is imminent.

[Charlotteisthebest]

I agree about that, only use it for the right move, here is how I would play it if I were Cho:

If I can sign Carl Landry to be our starting PF then I go ahead and amnesty Diop, Landry is a really good player with youth and upside, he will be a solid pick-up if we can get him, other than him there is nobody left that really interests me, so unless we can sign Landry now, we should just save the amnesty for next summer.

Carl Landry: http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3217/carl-landry

[Black]

Rick Bonnell ‏@rick_bonnell
Barring some sudden, unexpected opportunity, it's NOT likely the #Bobcats exercise amnesty. Midnight tonight is NBA deadline.

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[Charlotteisthebest]

If we can get Landry today by using the amnesty on Diop then we should use it, if that is not an option then yes we should save it for next summer to use on TT unless he has a solid season this year.

[notdeadyet]

Another point to consider is Diop has an expiring contract, which another team involved in a trade may find of value to pull off. If we amnesty him, we would be giving up a real trade asset, even though he ain't likely to get off the bench if we do keep him...

[teej]

If the amnesty was going to be used on Diop, it should've been last year. And I wouldn't amnesty Tyrus yet because of Dunlap. Had we kept Silas then sure, but not now.

Also, no player on the market is worth guaranteeing Tyrus's cap slot for two more years.