Why can't Biz just be our PF? Lineup I want

[Potato]

At 6'9" with that wing span he will be much more effective at PF than C. Yes, it would be great if he could be a C but he's undersized even with that ridiculous wingspan. We have two serviceable C's on the roster in Byron Mullens and Brendan Haywood. Now let's get to the lineup I would prefer and it's NOT going to be popular:

PG: Sessions/Kemba
SG: Gordon/Henderson
SF: MKG/Taylor
PF: Biz/Thomas
C: Haywood/Mullens

Most EVERYONE is projecting Kemba and Hendo to start and they probably will, but Sessions and Gordon are more experienced and let's see how hungry Kemba and Hendo would be to work into the starting lineup. Sessions is undoubtedly better than Kemba at this point and Gordon and Henderson is as close as you can get. Kemba has an outstanding work ethic and I wanna see how bad he wants that starting job. Also imo, floor spacing and all is simply so much better with Gordon starting.

[cltblkhscoach]

If Silas was still here and we were gunning for the 8th seed in the playoffs I'd agree with you. But our #1 goal is player development, and unless Sessions and Gordon look awesome in practice and figure into our future, then they are here to be what they are - good veteran backups and positive influences in the locker room.

If Biz plays the 4, with all the "stretch" 4's in the league now that pulls him away from the basket and what he does best - a weakside help defender protecting the rim. If he plays with Haywood, ok he has to play PF. But I honestly don't see those two playing together much unless we're playing a team like the Lakers with two good low post threats in Gasol and Bynum.

This just isn't the 1980's and 1990's basketball where you come down and pound it inside to the big man every other time down the court. This is why Biz can play the 5 at his size. Plus with Dunlap's style of D, he's best protecting the rim as the last line of defense.

[kitch0202]

I think we have to remember that Biz has a wing span of 7ft 6"+ and a standing reach of 9ft 3"+. To quote Draft Express "No player of record has ever measured a wingspan that is nearly 12 inches longer than his actual height."

He may fill in some minutes at the 4 where match-ups etc. dictate, but I don't see him featuring there much at all.

His skill-set is that of a Centre. His more meaningful measurements (span & reach) are that of a Centre. He is a centre.

[gamecocksmitty4]

What kitch said. And I'll also add that Byron is not a C. Mullens is a tall PF. Biz is a short (not undersized...wingspan makes up for it) C.

[BlockParty]

Biz is a big, he'll start and be paired with one of the following in most games this season (Mullens-when the opponents lineup dictates it, Haywood-when the opponents lineup dictates it, Thomas-when the opponents lineup dictates it).

Some may call that a 4 or 5, PF or C...he's a Big (not a Silas word necessarily, just the reality of the NBA today).

[Charlotteisthebest]

Biz is still a long way away from being a productive NBA player, he will be better suited coming of the bench this season.
From our current roster this is what I would go with as the 12 active:

Sessions/Kemba
Henderson/Gordon/Williams
MKG/Taylor/Brown
Mullens/Thomas
Haywood/Biz

[polarcat]

I disagree that Biz and Kemba should be coming off the bench. What young players need is experience and game time working on their game. As CLT said, we aren't looking for playoffs or instant success, what we need is to get our youth up to speed as quickly as possible. Let them make mistakes, and bringing them off the bench for players that aren't part of the long-term blueprint is not right. Besides, if we really want Shabazz/Noel/Polythress, we don't need to go out of our way for W's... not saying tank, but why sacrifice Kemba and Biz's PT and miss out on the best possible talent next year.

[Charlotteisthebest]

I disagree that Biz and Kemba should be coming off the bench. What young players need is experience and game time working on their game. As CLT said, we aren't looking for playoffs or instant success, what we need is to get our youth up to speed as quickly as possible. Let them make mistakes, and bringing them off the bench for players that aren't part of the long-term blueprint is not right. Besides, if we really want Shabazz/Noel/Polythress, we don't need to go out of our way for W's... not saying tank, but why sacrifice Kemba and Biz's PT and miss out on the best possible talent next year.


Have you seen Biz play much, most of the time he looks like a train wreck, he is slowly getting better but I would not start him this season, needs another year to mature physically and mentally under coach Dunlap, he still can play good minutes but if he plays most of the game he will develop bad habits and make a fool of himself which will not be good for his confidence going forward, he is working hard and that will pay off down the line but he is not anywhere near being a starter in the NBA at the moment.

[Mustachio]

Have you seen Biz play much, most of the time he looks like a train wreck, he is slowly getting better but I would not start him this season, needs another year to mature physically and mentally under coach Dunlap, he still can play good minutes but if he plays most of the game he will develop bad habits and make a fool of himself which will not be good for his confidence going forward, he is working hard and that will pay off down the line but he is not anywhere near being a starter in the NBA at the moment.

Have YOU seen Biz play much? He straight handled the best and biggest center in the game 2 times last year. He has some learning to do of course, but putting him on the bench in favor of 93 year old Brendan Haywood is a horrible idea. Sessions, Gordon and Haywood are veteran back ups. I know they are new and shiny and they came from that place where the grass is greener... but that doesn't mean they are better or should start. We are in a youth movement, not a playoff run.


You guys are over thinking this. They didn't bring in a d3 coach to make a run at the 8th seed with starters like Sessions and Haywood. They brought Dunlap in to coach and develop this young teams core. Kemba, Hendo, MKG, Mully, Biz.


The Bismack Biyombo is a power forward nonsense has to stop. Playing Biz at PF negates any advantages he has on the court.

[Toocool]

Summer league, Biz is playing the 5 spot and Mullens the 4. To be honest though, I prefer Biz at the 5, better shot blocker and stronger than Mully. Both are very agile though. Guess it depends on our lineup though. If it's Biz and TT, he would definately go the 5. Biz and Haywood (please no), I would think Biz would play the 4.

Biz may be short (6'9), and we're all praying for another 3 inches or so, but that wingspan will allow him to play the 5. Look at Chuck Hayes, 6'6 and can play the Center spot just fine. Biz has stupidly long arms and is 3 inches taller, if Hayes can be successful in the C position Biz can also.

[NotFromAroundHere]

I wouldnt start sessions because I think he'd be more effective off the bench. But I would start Gordon. I dont think Hendo is going to be here next year. At least I hope not.

[Mustachio]

But I would start Gordon. I dont think Hendo is going to be here next year. At least I hope not.


What on earth would give you that impression?

[the hay beast]

I think biz could play pf, but is a center. In my opinion I would put him against the other team better 4 or 5. Like against the timberwolves I'd have him mark up Kevin love. But against Orlando put up against Dwight

[westbrook08]

I honestly don't think it's much of a debate anymore.Mullens is clearly a 4 and biz is clearly a 5.Biz might be 6'9 1/2 but his standing reach is the same as dwight howard and his wingspan is actually longer.And he only weighs like 25 pounds less than dwight, is a shot blocking machine, and is only 19! He's a center. From the way i've heard coach dunlap talk i think kemba,hendo,mullens,biz and mkg start this year.With Sessions,gordon,thomas,haywood, and taylor coming off the bench.I think he's gonna put the ball in our young guys hands this year and let them roll with it.And i think it's absolutely the right approach to get these guys playing time together as well as make mistakes and grow as a team together.I'm ready for the season!

[Charlotteisthebest]

Have YOU seen Biz play much? He straight handled the best and biggest center in the game 2 times last year. He has some learning to do of course, but putting him on the bench in favor of 93 year old Brendan Haywood is a horrible idea. Sessions, Gordon and Haywood are veteran back ups. I know they are new and shiny and they came from that place where the grass is greener... but that doesn't mean they are better or should start. We are in a youth movement, not a playoff run.


You guys are over thinking this. They didn't bring in a d3 coach to make a run at the 8th seed with starters like Sessions and Haywood. They brought Dunlap in to coach and develop this young teams core. Kemba, Hendo, MKG, Mully, Biz.


The Bismack Biyombo is a power forward nonsense has to stop. Playing Biz at PF negates any advantages he has on the court.


Yes I have seen him play a lot, and 90% of the time he is still struggling, you are correct they brought in Dunlap to help these young guys progress which is exactly what he will do with Biz learning how to be a good NBA player while seeing good minutes off the bench, at the moment its just ridiculous for you to want to play him as the starter, it will not help him only damage his confidence because he is still going to struggle a lot this season, there is a reason why we were the worst team all time in the NBA last year and Biz is a big part of that reason, he was having to play way to many minutes in the NBA for a guy so young and unskilled at basketball, you might like the potential but now is not the time to throw him into the fire again, let the kid develop and ease his way into things.

[Charlotteisthebest]

Honestly all in all I will be happy with whatever rotation Dunlap decides to go with, I like what I see out of him as a coach and trust he will know best! ;)

Hope MKG can play tomorrow night against the Nuggets and help us go 4-0 in the summer!!

Go Bobcats!!

[Zoolander]

Well Dennis Rodman was a PF and he and Biz is pretty much similar. Rodman could guard centers too and his offensive game was pretty much nonexistent. However Rodman is probably one of the Highest BBIQ guys to ever play.

[Mustachio]

Yes I have seen him play a lot, and 90% of the time he is still struggling, you are correct they brought in Dunlap to help these young guys progress which is exactly what he will do with Biz learning how to be a good NBA player while seeing good minutes off the bench, at the moment its just ridiculous for you to want to play him as the starter, it will not help him only damage his confidence because he is still going to struggle a lot this season, there is a reason why we were the worst team all time in the NBA last year and Biz is a big part of that reason, he was having to play way to many minutes in the NBA for a guy so young and unskilled at basketball, you might like the potential but now is not the time to throw him into the fire again, let the kid develop and ease his way into things.


Biz played way too many minutes? 23.1 mpg avg last year. You sure you watched?

Biz is starter worthy on the Charlotte Bobcats. and he isn't struggling 90% of the time either. He isn't out there dominating fools with viscous dunks. But he is a competent rebounder, shot blocker and man defender already. He is developing post moves, and adjusting to NBA play and the best way to get that done is minutes in the NBA. Confidence is not an issue with Biz... coming off the bench would be more damaging to his confidence than anything. Name one center last year that came in and embarrassed Biz? No body is punking him out and hurting his confidence. Does he make mistakes, does he look awkward when posting up sometimes, sure... but he knows he needs to work on those things and can't really work on those things when you're sitting on the bench.

all that doesn't even mention the fact that the Bobcats aren't pursuing playoff appearances right now. What is just ridiculous is robbing minutes from the future of this team to play Haywood.

[westbrook08]

Biz is nothing like rodman.He's more in the mold of a more athletic mutumbo.Rodman was a rebounding hustle guy,whereas biz has a naturally large frame with the ability to add much more,and is an absolute pure shot blocker.Anyone with that type of frame who can block shots that well needs to be anchoring the middle.And biz should absolutely start this year.All of our young guys should start this year because after this season we may very well be a playoff team in the 2013-2014 season.Or at least in contention to be.If we're gonna work out the kinks and let these guys cut their teeth then we need to do it now while the expectations are still low and the fans and media aren't jumping all over them for every mistake they make.

[Mustachio]

Well Dennis Rodman was a PF and he and Biz is pretty much similar. Rodman could guard centers too and his offensive game was pretty much nonexistent. However Rodman is probably one of the Highest BBIQ guys to ever play.



Rodman and Biz are nothing alike. Rodman was 6'7 (closer to MKG than Biz) Biz 6'9. Biz is much bigger and stronger and longer than Rodman. If you mean that they were both guys that were statistically short for their positions and both had abilities to compensate for that... then yeah maybe.

[westbrook08]

Rodman and Biz are nothing alike. Rodman was 6'7 (closer to MKG than Biz) Biz 6'9. Biz is much bigger and stronger and longer than Rodman. If you mean that they were both guys that were statistically short for their positions and both had abilities to compensate for that... then yeah maybe.

And rodman also played on a team with 2 of the greatest scorers in history.We don't have that luxury.We need biz to anchor the middle and we need a 4 who can put the ball in the bucket! And to zoolander: Biz also didn't have an off season,training camp,or a full season,and has only played basketball for 4 years.I wouldn't say he struggled at all.Actually for where he should be at this point,i think what he did is pretty amazing.We need to give this kid a full off season and training camp and then let him start for an entire year.The sky is the limit for him as far as i'm concerned.And can we please not go through the same stupid arguments we had with okafor for 4 years? Biz is a center.Mullens is a power forward.The coaching staff has already made these determinations.Those ARE their pro positions.Can we please accept that and move on?

[Charlotteisthebest]

Biz played way too many minutes? 23.1 mpg avg last year. You sure you watched?

Biz is starter worthy on the Charlotte Bobcats. and he isn't struggling 90% of the time either. He isn't out there dominating fools with viscous dunks. But he is a competent rebounder, shot blocker and man defender already. He is developing post moves, and adjusting to NBA play and the best way to get that done is minutes in the NBA. Confidence is not an issue with Biz... coming off the bench would be more damaging to his confidence than anything. Name one center last year that came in and embarrassed Biz? No body is punking him out and hurting his confidence. Does he make mistakes, does he look awkward when posting up sometimes, sure... but he knows he needs to work on those things and can't really work on those things when you're sitting on the bench.

all that doesn't even mention the fact that the Bobcats aren't pursuing playoff appearances right now. What is just ridiculous is robbing minutes from the future of this team to play Haywood.



Lol I am just going to assume you don't know much about basketball and that he is just one of your favorite all time players already or somehting, but you're entitled to your opinion and I am entitled to mine, and thank you for helping make my point, for someone as bad as Biz was last year to play half a game (24mpg) in the NBA was just ridiculous and part of the reason it was the worst team in NBA history, he flat out sucked to be honest but that is what I expected of him last year, and for a year or two more as well, does he have the potential to be better? yes. Is that going to happen anytime soon? no.

Don't try to tell me how I should view a player, you see him one way and I see him another, period, that's it ;)

Like I said:
Honestly all in all I will be happy with whatever rotation Dunlap decides to go with, I like what I see out of him as a coach and trust he will know best! ;)

Hope MKG can play tomorrow night against the Nuggets and help us go 4-0 in the summer!!

Go Bobcats!!

[westbrook08]

Lol I am just going to assume you don't know much about basketball and that he is just one of your favorite all time players already or somehting, but you're entitled to your opinion and I am entitled to mine, and thank you for helping make my point, for someone as bad as Biz was last year to play half a game (24mpg) in the NBA was just ridiculous and part of the reason it was the worst team in NBA history, he flat out sucked to be honest but that is what I expected of him last year, and for a year or two more as well, does he have the potential to be better? yes. Is that going to happen anytime soon? no.

Don't try to tell me how I should view a player, you see him one way and I see him another, period, that's it ;)

Like I said:
Honestly all in all I will be happy with whatever rotation Dunlap decides to go with, I like what I see out of him as a coach and trust he will know best! ;)

Hope MKG can play tomorrow night against the Nuggets and help us go 4-0 in the summer!!

Go Bobcats!!

If your gonna call out mustachio for not knowing about basketball then i can make same argument with you.Biz was horrible early in the season because he had no training camp or off season,plus he was late on top of that because of his contract situation.So yes he struggled like any rookie would.But had you actually watched this team the last few months of the season you would know that down the stretch last year biz was fantastic.His blocks per 40 min were 2nd in the entire league.As a rookie! You can view him however you want.But the coaching staff is already sold on him and so are most of the fans who saw what he did against howard twice last year.I can't say for sure that he starts on opening night this year because dunlap definitely wants to work with him.I would however, bet money that within 2 months into the season he is the starting center and will be from that point on for as long as he is in charlotte.And by the way,mkg is done for summer league.He's not playing again until he's 100%.Coach d already said that.

[Toocool]

I think the biggest thing for Biz's development was that he was able to log big minutes at the 4/5 spot in his rookie year (the 20~ or so minutes he got). Most rookies can only dream of getting that much playing time. The royal jelly treatment, where young players actually get playing time. He was raw as hell, so the big minutes he logged can only help him get used to the NBA. I disagree with you charlotteisthebest because you could slowly see the progression in Biz's game. Yes like all young big men, he was inconsistent, got into foul trouble and sometimes looked way out of his league, but you should expect that. However, you could also see him working on his game, for instance he showed a 15 footer most recently in the summer league, and also posted up more as the season went on last year, where he was using hook shots and turnaround jumpers, where they weren't always going in but as time went on you could see his moves become just that little bit more fluid. That's development. By far Biz is not even close to being polished in the low post, but he sure as hell showed signs he improved in his post game.

Most people didnt expect anything of Biz, although a few of us said that he could contribute. Most people were just happy if he actually scored points for us. Again, i disagree with your statement that he wont get better anytime soon. Knowing Biz and what has been said about his work ethic, he'll definately improve. Might not be clear, but it might be minor things such as positioning on rebounds, or how he defends the pick and roll slightly better. Most of the dudes at BCP love him, and for good reason.

And who could forget the delicious block he had on Ariza to win us a game vs the Hornets.

[amour217]

Biz's shotblocking skills make him a better fit for the Center position, while Mullens' more-refined offensive skills make him the better fit for PF. There was an article in the Observer today about that very thing.

[westbrook08]

The block on ariza was sweet.I came out of my chair for sure on that one! lol.

[adam187]

Biz played way too many minutes? 23.1 mpg avg last year. You sure you watched?

Biz is starter worthy on the Charlotte Bobcats. and he isn't struggling 90% of the time either. He isn't out there dominating fools with viscous dunks. But he is a competent rebounder, shot blocker and man defender already. He is developing post moves, and adjusting to NBA play and the best way to get that done is minutes in the NBA. Confidence is not an issue with Biz... coming off the bench would be more damaging to his confidence than anything. Name one center last year that came in and embarrassed Biz? No body is punking him out and hurting his confidence. Does he make mistakes, does he look awkward when posting up sometimes, sure... but he knows he needs to work on those things and can't really work on those things when you're sitting on the bench.

all that doesn't even mention the fact that the Bobcats aren't pursuing playoff appearances right now. What is just ridiculous is robbing minutes from the future of this team to play Haywood.

To be fair, I thought Biz got clowned by Hibbert, Jefferson, Monroe, and Cousins. Anybody can correct me if he wasn't guarding them that much, I watched most games at bars or on crappy streams, so there is ample room for a mistake on my part.

Here are the box scores:

http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=320219011

http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=320307030

http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=320412030

http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=320422030

I love Bizzy B, easily my fav player on the team last year, but I still think he has a long way to go, even on the defensive side of the ball.

Oh and I agree with you about everything, I just took exception to that one line.

[westbrook08]

Dude i'm sorry, but if your pulling out stats to look at biz's overall progression then your missing the point.You could see his confidence growing down the stretch, and even when he made bad plays he would come right back and make great ones.It was evident to almost everyone that watched him late in the season that all he needs is time.And when you look at an opposing players stats from last season you have to consider that we were starting a rookie point guard alot of the season which led to plenty of turnovers and we also had the worst rebounding team in the nba.When a team gets that many more possessions their gonna put up good numbers.It doesn't mean that biz played poorly in all of those games.Using stats as a crutch is week.They very rarely tell the story of what truly happens during the course of a game.I'm not hating on you.I'm just saying sometimes you have to actually see the game to fully understand the situation in all of it's forms.

[teej]

@charlotteisthebest: It's quite easy to disagree with someone without insulting them or their (perceived) intelligence. We expect everyone here to refrain from such ignorant statements, especially when you're completely wrong. Mustachio has been a member of BCP since the beginning, and I've learned plenty of basketball from him. Perhaps you should think about what you're saying.

As for the debate, Biz is a defensive big, and Mullens is an offensive big. Who plays the 4 and who plays the 5 is irrelevant. Biz will defend the other team's more offensive big, and on offense will stay in rebounding and dunking position and set screens. Mullens will guard the other team's lesser offensive big and on offense will be in position to be actively involved in each play. It's not that big a deal what "position" they play.

And Biz and Mullens should absolutely play more than Haywood or whomever else. They are the two who work the hardest and can fit Dunlap's defense the best. Haywood is here to mentor, not to play starter's minutes. He may still be the one announced in introductions, but I doubt even that.

Oh, and while we're at it, Biz absolutely got torched by Jefferson. But I can't remember a single time he went up against someone for the 2nd/3rd/4th game and was embarrassed as much as the first, if at all.

[SWedd523]

I've learned plenty of basketball from him.

Wow talk about the blind leading the blind.....

[adam187]

Dude i'm sorry, but if your pulling out stats to look at biz's overall progression then your missing the point.You could see his confidence growing down the stretch, and even when he made bad plays he would come right back and make great ones.It was evident to almost everyone that watched him late in the season that all he needs is time.And when you look at an opposing players stats from last season you have to consider that we were starting a rookie point guard alot of the season which led to plenty of turnovers and we also had the worst rebounding team in the nba.When a team gets that many more possessions their gonna put up good numbers.It doesn't mean that biz played poorly in all of those games.Using stats as a crutch is week.They very rarely tell the story of what truly happens during the course of a game.I'm not hating on you.I'm just saying sometimes you have to actually see the game to fully understand the situation in all of it's forms.

Ah, allow me to apologize for using factual evidence to help bolster my claim as well as providing easy access for anyone who might want to refute my claim. I know it's standard procedure to just claim the other person doesn't know basketball, doesn't watch basketball, and just generally doesn't posses the mental facilities to understand basketball, but I thought it might be useful to provide links to the recorded information about specific games I drunkenly watched and where I remembered Biz struggling as a post defender.

Now I could just say, I've watched basketball and something tells me Al Jefferson wasn't sprinting down the floor, converting Kemba Walker turnovers into fast break dunks. But, once again, these handy statistics help further that belief.

1) Of the 4 games I listed, DJ started 3. His minutes: 32, 25, 27. His turnovers: 3, 0, 1.

2) Kemba, minutes: 26, 28, 18, 33. His turnovers: 1, 5, 1, 2.

So, not exactly that bad, minus the Jazz game.

BUT WAIT, these links show more than just the box score. There are shot charts you can use for individual players, which seem to indicate that bigs with a good post and mid-range game absolutely dominated from the low block. There are play-by-plays. And there are game recaps. Here's a quote from the Jazz game:


Leading by four at halftime, the Jazz began pounding away at the Bobcats, taking advantage of Jefferson's experience against Charlotte's rookie center Bismack Biyombo.

Jefferson seemed to toy with Biyombo at times, palming the ball with one hand before making almost uncontestable moves in the low post. He continually got Biyombo to go after ball fakes and eventually the rookie fouled out.

"He times his shot to where I don't know when he's shooting," Biyombo said. "You have to play smarter and learn not to get in foul trouble. It still happens sometimes. But you have to learn from it."

As the Bobcats made adjustments and began rolling help to Biyombo's side, Jefferson simply dished outside to teammates like Raja Bell, who knocked down a pair of jumpers to give the Jazz a 65-50 advantage in the third quarter.

Jefferson led the Jazz with five assists.

Biyombo, who blocked seven shots and held Dwight Howard to 15 points Tuesday night in Charlotte's 100-84 win over the Orlando Magic, was visibly upset with his inability to defend Jefferson.

On a few occasions he slapped his hands together in disgust as he headed down court after giving up easy baskets.

Definitely sounds like his confidence was growing that night.

In absence of having access to recorded game film, I'm just working with the best information I have. I'm working from memory, just like everyone here, but I just happen to prefer to try and back up my thoughts with empirical facts to make my arguments stronger. Sorry that's a weak crutch.

[spectre]

Hey Adam thanks for that. I didn't realize ESPN showed individual shot charts.

Does anyone know where you can get that for a particular season? I used to use NBAhotspots but they didn't upgrade us for last season.

[gm in training]

efferson seemed to toy with Biyombo at times, palming the ball with one hand before making almost uncontestable moves in the low post. He continually got Biyombo to go after ball fakes and eventually the rookie fouled out.
. in biz defense is that your mentioning al freaking jefferson. jefferson may be the best post up scorer behind dirk or bynum, that comparison will be like kobe vs mkg and judging mkg's progress based off that. i've seen jefferson murder kg,tyson chandler,tim duncan,and marc gasol(twice). biz was able to contain dwight(best center in the lg) at the age of 18 yrs old ,thats something most players at 7 feet or veterans cant do . also, dwight in my opinion isn't that good , he's not as complete as bynum . dwight cant get you an guareented buckets if need, his moves are ugly , he very raw for somebody who been the lg for 8 years, so it may have been easier for biz to guard him.

[Mustachio]

Jefferson "destroying" Biz last year is the perfect example why Biz should be a Center and not a PF. Jefferson has PF skills and plays the C/PF position. Match up a guy like Dwight the prototypical center and Biz can handle that. Put in a guy with PF skill and Biz is going to struggle. He has advantages against other Centers we need to exploit, and those advantages disappear when you put him up against a quicker more agile PF type.

[gm in training]

Jefferson "destroying" Biz last year is the perfect example why Biz should be a Center and not a PF. Jefferson has PF skills and plays the C/PF position. Match up a guy like Dwight the prototypical center and Biz can handle that. Put in a guy with PF skill and Biz is going to struggle. He has advantages against other Centers we need to exploit, and those advantages disappear when you put him up against a quicker more agile PF type.

al jefferson(6'10 280+) is the jazz full-time center . even when favor comes in he stays at center. jefferson doesn't use speed or agility when he plays, he's more a deceptive,skilled post player. biz can guard both pf/c but the only reason he is at center because his skill set is more towards a center than pf. pf's are usually around a center size but they are more offensively skilled and passive; byron mullens,pau gasol,and kevin garnett.

[Mustachio]

al jefferson(6'10 280+) is the jazz full-time center . even when favor comes in he stays at center. jefferson doesn't use speed or agility when he plays, he's more a deceptive,skilled post player. biz can guard both pf/c but the only reason he is at center because his skill set is more towards a center than pf. pf's are usually around a center size but they are more offensively skilled; byron mullens,pau gasol,and kevin garnett.


Oh so thats what a PF is. Thanks! Who is the little one that holds the ball a lot?

[gm in training]

Oh so thats what a PF is. Thanks! Who is the little one that holds the ball a lot?

point-guard but some teams have point-forwards(forward sized type player who has the skill set of a point-guard)

[adam187]

Hey Adam thanks for that. I didn't realize ESPN showed individual shot charts.

Does anyone know where you can get that for a particular season? I used to use NBAhotspots but they didn't upgrade us for last season.

espn's stuff can be pretty wonky, some of it wasn't working right for me today, but i really love it for browsing through a season and it's usually pretty easy to find the particular game you want. basketball reference has those great "search" features, but i still haven't gotten skilled enough with it to use it to its full potential, so sometimes it's just easier to browse on espn.


in biz defense is that your mentioning al freaking jefferson. jefferson may be the best post up scorer behind dirk or bynum, that comparison will be like kobe vs mkg and judging mkg's progress based off that. i've seen jefferson murder kg,tyson chandler,tim duncan,and marc gasol(twice). biz was able to contain dwight(best center in the lg) at the age of 18 yrs old ,thats something most players at 7 feet or veterans cant do . also, dwight in my opinion isn't that good , he's not as complete as bynum . dwight cant get you an guareented buckets if need, his moves are ugly , he very raw for somebody who been the lg for 8 years, so it may have been easier for biz to guard him.

this just goes back to my whole, defense is more nuanced than just "oh he blocks shots." if we want biz to fully become the stud that he can be, he needs to be able to shut down the opposing teams post presence. i think biz is really good at blocking shots and covering pick and rolls and other important things, but this year i would like to see him improve against post scoring and get better at defensive rebounding.

as ric flair would say, "to be the best, you gotta beat the best."

[Zoolander]

Biz impressed me last night. He has made some strides just in these summer league games alone. Having not played much basketball really hurt his early development but you can see the more he plays the better he's getting. I still wish he'd catch the ball cleanly, but that will come I hope. Here's to you Bizzy Biz! Keep improving big fella!:cheers1:

[polarcat]

I apologize if it's already been stated but I hope everyone that wants to play Biz at the 4 realizes that the only aspect about Biyombo that makes him a possible PF is his height. Outside of that, the dude is a raw, defensive minded, yet undersized C..... emphasis on the raw. In the past 2 drafts, we've taken the youngest player in each draft, and to think that Biz is even a year away from being the player we drafted as our future center is silly. Cho sees the future of the league and it is not a lumbering 7-foot banging center towering down on the block. Once Biyombo hits 20,21,22 years old, we will see a much more complete player that will be known throughout the league as a menace in the middle.