Bobcats, Warriors Pursuing Landry

[Charlotteisthebest]

Bobcats, Warriors Pursuing Landry
By Alex Kennedy
NBA Writer

The Golden State Warriors have been the team most often linked to unrestricted free agent Carl Landry, but another team has also emerged as a potential suitor for the veteran power forward.

The Charlotte Bobcats are attempting to acquire Landry in a sign-and-trade with the New Orleans Hornets, according to sources close to the situation.

The Bobcats and Hornets have discussed a number of scenarios that would send Landry to Charlotte. After acquiring Ryan Anderson in a sign-and-trade with the Orlando Magic, New Orleans isn’t interested in re-signing Landry, but they would like to sign-and-trade him rather than letting one of their best assets walk away as a free agent.

While no deal between Charlotte and New Orleans is imminent, these sign-and-trade discussions are the reason that Landry hasn’t signed a deal with Golden State.

The Warriors want to sign Landry outright, but the power forward would likely make more money if he were to be signed-and-traded to the Bobcats. He’s weighing his options and is no rush to make a decision.

“I’m still just trying to find the right fit for me,” Landry told HOOPSWORLD earlier this week. “It’s still up in the air. Every day it’s something new. I’m just trying to take my time and make the best decision for me and my family.”

[Whiz Kid]

I wonder who'd be some names threw up there in a sign and trade deal

[Mustachio]

I wonder who'd be some names threw up there in a sign and trade deal


obviously a signed Carl Landry and Anthony Davis for Higgins and Diop duh.

[Whiz Kid]

obviously a signed Carl Landry and Anthony Davis for Higgins and Diop duh.

That's an EXCELLENT deal for both sides. If they don't bite on that then they won't bite on anything.

[Black]

Interesting. No idea what a trade would look like. Maybe the Portland pick and Diop?

[isguros]

Why does it have to be a sign and trade. Why can't they just sign him?

[TheBeagle]

As always, proceed with caution. I was alarmed, if reports are to be believed, at how much we were willing to give Humphries. I'm a tad fearful we're going to overpay since we've had lots of strikeouts trying to land a vet 4. I've liked Landry's game since his Houston days but there's a reason he's still left on the market with only two teams interested. Have to trust Cho on this one.

[notdeadyet]

S & T lets the Hornets pay more than any other team can with the new CBA. We in turn could better absorb the extra $$$ by shedding a player or 2.
Lovin' Mr. Cho; the wheels are always grindin' !!

[Charlotteisthebest]

S & T lets the Hornets pay more than any other team can with the new CBA. We in turn could better absorb the extra $$$ by shedding a player or 2.
Lovin' Mr. Cho; the wheels are always grindin' !!


Agree, I would love this pickup if we can get Landry! Cho has been relentless all summer, I really appreciate his outlook for this team and the work he has put in to make this franchise matter again! ;)

[gm in training]

its like ya want anything thats not a bobcat in this forum.i don't want landry . a big that doesn't play big.landry doesn't rebound ,he's damn near 30,he probably coming in camp with jet lag from all the nba teams he's been through. i would rather keep tyrus at least we know tyrus has had some good years and is capable of getting better, or we are better off developing mullens but please no landry.

[Charlotteisthebest]

its like ya want anything thats not a bobcat in this forum.i don't want landry . a big that doesn't play big.landry doesn't rebound ,he's damn near 30,he probably coming in camp with jet lag from all the nba teams he's been through. i would rather keep tyrus at least we know tyrus has had some good years and is capable of getting better, or we are better off developing mullens but please no landry.

Lol, I am glad Cho does not think like you, we need depth, plain and simple, Landry would be an excellent pickup if we can get him, he plays a very efficient game and we need another big that can contribute.

[Charlotteisthebest]

its like ya want anything thats not a bobcat in this forum.i don't want landry . a big that doesn't play big.landry doesn't rebound ,he's damn near 30,he probably coming in camp with jet lag from all the nba teams he's been through. i would rather keep tyrus at least we know tyrus has had some good years and is capable of getting better, or we are better off developing mullens but please no landry.


BTW, he is 28, and his rebounding numbers are equal to Bismack except Landry can also score the rock, playing the same mins.

If you are a GM in training you have a long way to go.

[Charlotteisthebest]

its like ya want anything thats not a bobcat in this forum.i don't want landry . a big that doesn't play big.landry doesn't rebound ,he's damn near 30,he probably coming in camp with jet lag from all the nba teams he's been through. i would rather keep tyrus at least we know tyrus has had some good years and is capable of getting better, or we are better off developing mullens but please no landry.

Not to mention Landry's 3rd year in the league when he played big mins. he averaged about 17ppg, when did Tyrus ever do that.

[gm in training]

Not to mention Landry's 3rd year in the league when he played big mins. he averaged about 17ppg, when did Tyrus ever do that.

you forgot to mention he avg 5.5 reb and 0.9 blocks .tyrus at 26 min 10.8 pts 6.4 reb 1.2 stls and 1.9 blocks.16 pts and no big man stats,sorry mullen can do that for us.

damn im good

[Charlotteisthebest]

you forgot to mention he avg 5.5 reb and 0.9 blocks .tyrus at 26 min 10.8 pts 6.4 reb 1.2 stls and 1.9 blocks.16 pts and no big man stats,sorry mullen can do that for us.

damn im good


Who was better last season? It was Landry by a mile!!

I think your missing my main point, I think you want what I want and that is for the bobcats to get better, all I am saying is that we need another decent big on the roster to add depth, and Landry is the best one left. What happens if Mullens or Thomas get hurt? Success in the NBA rely's a lot on depth, all I am saying is we would really benefit from this pickup ;)

[teej]

Grow up, both of you.

Landry is decent for the right price. He won't play more than 15 mpg so it's not a huge deal if we get him or not.

[gm in training]

Grow up, both of you.

Landry is decent for the right price. He won't play more than 15 mpg so it's not a huge deal if we get him or not.

he started it lol

[Charlotteisthebest]

Grow up, both of you.

Landry is decent for the right price. He won't play more than 15 mpg so it's not a huge deal if we get him or not.


I disagree, I think he would help out a lot up front!

[gm in training]

im just saying , we were the lgs worst rebounding team and to add another big man who doesn't rebound is the last thing we need. 16 points at 27 min is amazing but we have hendo,walker,gordon,and two possibles in mullen/mkg for points if needed.

[the hay beast]

Do you guys think maybe our this years 2nd round pick for Landry is good deal. The way I look at it is at least the hornets get something back instead of letting him walk.

[teej]

he started it lol

And you went to his level.

Mullens, Biyombo and Haywood will get the majority of the frontcourt minutes. Landry isn't a major piece.

It's worth noting we signed him to an offer sheet in '07 but Houston matched.

[Charlotteisthebest]

And you went to his level.

Mullens, Biyombo and Haywood will get the majority of the frontcourt minutes. Landry isn't a major piece.

It's worth noting we signed him to an offer sheet in '07 but Houston matched.


Disagree, we need depth, Landry would be perfect.

[teej]

Landry would be perfect.

For the right price, I think he's ok. You're wrapped up in veteran role players that won't be on the team in 2 years.

[westbrook08]

I would be ok with landry at the right price.He would be good depth.I'm certainly not opposed to playing our young guys either.But to my guy who was saying "we don't need him, mullens can do all that" i would say take mullens play with a grain of salt.Yes, he has looked much more aggressive in developing his game in summer league.But it's still summer league.Adam morrison dropped 23 last night for christ's sake! lol. We can still use a vet big.I just wouldn't overpay.

[BrotherDave]

NO should just give us Landry after stealing the No 1 pick from us this year.

[superb1]

I wonder what we are giving up in exchange. I hope it is Carroll or Diop.

[isguros]

I won't be surprised if we end up trading hendo.

[cltblkhscoach]

Looking at their roster, they need a shooter, Belinelli is a free agent and they really don't have anyone else you'd consider a consistent threat outside of Ryan Anderson. Or they could use another big, but we really don't have one to give. I'd venture to guess Reggie Williams, he's an expiring, and probably recovered from that knee injury by now.

I don't think trading Hendo is in the plans until we see how he's developed after this offseason. If at the deadline he isn't any better and Cho thinks he's not a future piece, then I can see him being moved to a contender for a pick, but not yet.

[Plowright]

damn im good

Are you being serious!? "Dam your good?" "DAM YOUR GOOD?" You've got to pipe down son and speak when spoken to. If every one of us blew our own trumpet after making a point this forum would be awful. You joined this month!!! Do you think you have some special ability to see things others don't? If you do you are sadly mistaken, I could pick 10 guys out of this forum who would be better GMs than you, not that it matters at all anyway. Don't come in and start thinking your all that and you haven't even been here a month.

Also, as Teej said, both of you arguing is like watching a playground at school. Pathetic

[polarcat]

I really am getting nervous about this Landry situation. We've been rumored for just about all of the free agent PF's out there and have whiffed on everyone. Now a rumor about a S&T with NO to get Landry pops up. Yes we could use him, but between the salary and what we give up to get him, I'm real apprehensive. Reggie Williams is a spare part now with our glut of wing players, but that's as high of a ceiling that I would want to go talent-wise in what we're giving up. Personally, I'd rather roll the dice on Jordan Hill, and I'm willing to gamble that Hunter can be as good as DJ White for us this year while kicking the tires on Tyrus in Dunlap's system for a year. Low cost gambles for 2012 and then spend the money and/or assets at the deadline and 2013.

[MadBOBCATfanUK]

Where are GSW pulling this cap from, thought they'd be all capped out with the moves they've made. Landry's got one hell of a mid-range game but does anyone know how good he is getting up and down the court? I haven't seen a lot of NO games and even though he is undersized he looks more of a low post bruiser to me. Also Kidd-Gilchrist has 2 inches of standing reach on Landry.

[SCBobcat]

Does anybody know what he was making on his recently-expired deal? Also, was that the deal from when we signed him to an offer sheet in the Houston RFA days? If so, my recollection is that it started around 3mm per. My gut says Landry is comfortable with our city and organization (and he didn't sign with us a few years ago purely to force Houston's hand). Also it is clear our organization has liked his game for the last several years. I am in favor of a deal. I wonder if it would take Reggie to get a deal done. He is the only piece that I can see them wanting and us willing to part with.

[BlockParty]

Does anybody know what he was making on his recently-expired deal? Also, was that the deal from when we signed him to an offer sheet in the Houston RFA days? If so, my recollection is that it started around 3mm per. My gut says Landry is comfortable with our city and organization (and he didn't sign with us a few years ago purely to force Houston's hand). Also it is clear our organization has liked his game for the last several years. I am in favor of a deal. I wonder if it would take Reggie to get a deal done. He is the only piece that I can see them wanting and us willing to part with.

From Wiki-but links attached (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Landry)

Rookie offer sheet the Cats made back in 2008 (and houston matched) was $9M over 3 years.

Last year he signed a 1 year extension for $9M with New Orleans

[superb1]

I really am getting nervous about this Landry situation. We've been rumored for just about all of the free agent PF's out there and have whiffed on everyone. Now a rumor about a S&T with NO to get Landry pops up. Yes we could use him, but between the salary and what we give up to get him, I'm real apprehensive. Reggie Williams is a spare part now with our glut of wing players, but that's as high of a ceiling that I would want to go talent-wise in what we're giving up. Personally, I'd rather roll the dice on Jordan Hill, and I'm willing to gamble that Hunter can be as good as DJ White for us this year while kicking the tires on Tyrus in Dunlap's system for a year. Low cost gambles for 2012 and then spend the money and/or assets at the deadline and 2013.

I'm with you on this. I rather try Jordan Hill, he would be cheaper. Landry won't be long term unless we are classifying him in the same group as Gordon and Haywood. Even still, I would gamble on Hunter, he is low risk and won't be expected to be long term unless he plays his butt off.

[Plowright]

I agree with you guys, I would actually take John Leuer over Jordan Hill, but I think our FO is looking for a vet guy rather than someone else who is young with potential. I think they are worried our roster will get a little bit too young and inexperienced

[Charlotteisthebest]

Gotta get the Vet, Landry would be perfect for this season, go get him Cats!!!

[kitch0202]

I fully understand going for a vet like Kris Humphries, who is a double double machine and young enough to play another 5 years at least. He would have been a very good addition to the team; would have toughened us up; got plenty of rebounds; scored a good few points etc. Money got out of hand, so glad we moved on.

But I do not understand going for Landry. He's an ok player. Doesn't really improve the team. Doesn't really add much in terms of (quality) rebounding. Will sit in the middle of the depth chart and, to my mind, just consume salary.

Maybe he's a better player than I give him credit for, but I'd rather the playing time at 4 went to Mullins, TT (sorry Plowright) & a cheap 3rd option (like John Leuer or Jordan Hill) who might develop into something for next season when we will almost certainly try to move TT.

[gm in training]

I fully understand going for a vet like Kris Humphries, who is a double double machine and young enough to play another 5 years at least. He would have been a very good addition to the team; would have toughened us up; got plenty of rebounds; scored a good few points etc. Money got out of hand, so glad we moved on.

But I do not understand going for Landry. He's an ok player. Doesn't really improve the team. Doesn't really add much in terms of (quality) rebounding. Will sit in the middle of the depth chart and, to my mind, just consume salary.

Maybe he's a better player than I give him credit for, but I'd rather the playing time at 4 went to Mullins, TT (sorry Plowright) & a cheap 3rd option (like John Leuer or Jordan Hill) who might develop into something for next season when we will almost certainly try to move TT.

i agree 100%

[Whiz Kid]

It may not be a huge step up, but it adds a big thing we lack--->depth. Every team needs depth no matter what. I'm for it.

[Charlotteisthebest]

I fully understand going for a vet like Kris Humphries, who is a double double machine and young enough to play another 5 years at least. He would have been a very good addition to the team; would have toughened us up; got plenty of rebounds; scored a good few points etc. Money got out of hand, so glad we moved on.

But I do not understand going for Landry. He's an ok player. Doesn't really improve the team. Doesn't really add much in terms of (quality) rebounding. Will sit in the middle of the depth chart and, to my mind, just consume salary.

Maybe he's a better player than I give him credit for, but I'd rather the playing time at 4 went to Mullins, TT (sorry Plowright) & a cheap 3rd option (like John Leuer or Jordan Hill) who might develop into something for next season when we will almost certainly try to move TT.


Disagree 100%, Landry is much better than you realize, he would be a great pickup!!

[Charlotteisthebest]

It may not be a huge step up, but it adds a big thing we lack--->depth. Every team needs depth no matter what. I'm for it.

Agree 100%, Depth Depth and more Depth, he would be a great pickup!! The problem with most of these people who dislike him even though he is the best free agent still on the market is that they want to lose a lot of games this season, so I just kinda side step there opinions for the most part, would be really nice to add Landry to our front court this season!!!

Go Bobcats!!!!

[superb1]

I think most of us want to win but don't won't artificial success. We don't won't to win and be an eighth seed. We want to be something. But if can get Landry at an affordable price without mortgaging the farm, fine. Don't want too much money tied up in players who are not part of the core.

sent from the pseudo GM offices of the Charlotte Bobcats.

[spectre]

Agree 100%, Depth Depth and more Depth, he would be a great pickup!! The problem with most of these people who dislike him even though he is the best free agent still on the market is that they want to lose a lot of games this season, so I just kinda side step there opinions for the most part, would be really nice to add Landry to our front court this season!!!

Go Bobcats!!!!

Yeah, take that you miserable tankers!

Be Milwaukee!

[kitch0202]

Agree 100%, Depth Depth and more Depth, he would be a great pickup!! The problem with most of these people who dislike him even though he is the best free agent still on the market is that they want to lose a lot of games this season, so I just kinda side step there opinions for the most part, would be really nice to add Landry to our front court this season!!!

Go Bobcats!!!!

Just because he is "the best free agent still on the market" does not indubitably make him either a good player or a good signing. For the record I agree that he is probably the best 4 left on the market. But, to use a car analogy, you don't go to a dealer and simply buy the 'best car' on their forecourt if in actuality it isn't very good, is overpriced and doesn't really fit your needs.

Maybe most of 'these people who dislike him' have weighed up the merits of his signing and decided they don't think he's worth it. Maybe part of the reasoning behind their decision is that they aren't blinded by a childish desire for a shiny new toy, rather than your suggestion of wanting to 'lose a lot of games.'

We may well sign him but I don't think he's good enough to improve us, don't think he'll offer value for money (though maybe we get him cheaply) and would rather we sign a 4 who collects rebounds more efficiently than you do 'thanks' for your posts.

[superb1]

Just because he is "the best free agent still on the market" does not indubitably make him either a good player or a good signing. For the record I agree that he is probably the best 4 left on the market. But, to use a car analogy, you don't go to a dealer and simply buy the 'best car' on their forecourt if in actuality it isn't very good, is overpriced and doesn't really fit your needs.

Maybe most of 'these people who dislike him' have weighed up the merits of his signing and decided they don't think he's worth it. Maybe part of the reasoning behind their decision is that they aren't blinded by a childish desire for a shiny new toy, rather than your suggestion of wanting to 'lose a lot of games.'

We may well sign him but I don't think he's good enough to improve us, don't think he'll offer value for money (though maybe we get him cheaply) and would rather we sign a 4 who collects rebounds more efficiently than you do 'thanks' for your posts.

ouch, that gotta hurt.

[Ghost Kat]

I think most of us want to win but don't won't artificial success. We don't won't to win and be an eighth seed.

I'll take some artifical success. its not a long shot 8th at this point. I know we are rebuilding and blah blah, but I hate losing. As is, this team could make an 8th spot, and honestly who here wouldn't be happy with that?

[G Wuh Wuh Wuh Wallace]

Jordan Hill resigned by L.A and Leur picked up by cleveland. Our FA options are dwindling at the 4, not that its a bad thing. I think at this point I would rather not put up the bucks for an average player who ultimately might not fit into our long term plans and who will get us a few more wins. Whats 20 wins compared to 30 besides a worse chance in the lottery. Sign a D league guy,Hunter, or DJ White and call it a day.

[G Wuh Wuh Wuh Wallace]

I'll take some artifical success. its not a long shot 8th at this point. I know we are rebuilding and blah blah, but I hate losing. As is, this team could make an 8th spot, and honestly who here wouldn't be happy with that?

I would personally love to be an 8 seed again. However futile getting bitchslapped by the Heat would be, NBA playoffs when your team is in it is just a lot more fun. I dont think that if we added Landry it would boost us to the 8th seed still though. But who knows, guess thats why they play the games.

[Charlotteisthebest]

Just because he is "the best free agent still on the market" does not indubitably make him either a good player or a good signing. For the record I agree that he is probably the best 4 left on the market. But, to use a car analogy, you don't go to a dealer and simply buy the 'best car' on their forecourt if in actuality it isn't very good, is overpriced and doesn't really fit your needs.

Maybe most of 'these people who dislike him' have weighed up the merits of his signing and decided they don't think he's worth it. Maybe part of the reasoning behind their decision is that they aren't blinded by a childish desire for a shiny new toy, rather than your suggestion of wanting to 'lose a lot of games.'

We may well sign him but I don't think he's good enough to improve us, don't think he'll offer value for money (though maybe we get him cheaply) and would rather we sign a 4 who collects rebounds more efficiently than you do 'thanks' for your posts.



Nah that's not it, your all just stuck on losing.

Get Landry, dude can play!!!!!!!

[ALong13]

Expect the Charlotte #Bobcats to be the landing spot for free agent forward Carl Landry. They're making a strong push for his services.
- Evan Massey ‏@EMasseyReport


The Charlotte Bobcats are pursuing Carl Landry. They've discussed a sign-and-trade with the New Orleans Hornets: http://bit.ly/OvwdcO
- Alex Kennedy ‏@AlexKennedyNBA


Rumors: Bobcats hot for Carl Landry? http://bit.ly/vIcV9Q
- HoopsHype ‏@hoopshype

All three within the last 12 hours...

[BobCatsFanInTx]

I would be ok with landry at the right price.He would be good depth.I'm certainly not opposed to playing our young guys either.But to my guy who was saying "we don't need him, mullens can do all that" i would say take mullens play with a grain of salt.Yes, he has looked much more aggressive in developing his game in summer league.But it's still summer league.Adam morrison dropped 23 last night for christ's sake! lol. We can still use a vet big.I just wouldn't overpay.Adam Morrison can still play. Given a fair chance to make a squad he can do so and help that team. Adam if given a fair chance could prove a lot of doubters wrong. The only reason Adam did not do well up to this point in the summer league is because he was not given a fair amount of minutes on the court. If teams that bring him in would give him a fair shot he could make a team and contribute with his scoring coming off the bench. Adams rep as a bust makes coaches and GM's reluctant to give him a fair chance.

That aside, Mullens is a work in progress and I agree that we can not read too much into how players do in the Summer League. Still some guys do well in the Summer League and it carries over into the regular season. Mullens seems to be progressing and that is enough for me to feel he gets it and will turn out to be a solid if not above average NBA veteran.

Landry would be a nice pick up for depth and he can add points coming off the bench when needed. If our team becomes efficient at scoring than we won't need to have a ton of rebounds. Not that rebounding is unnecessary but we need a lottery pick next season to really turn the corner and progress beyond a regular 6th to 8th seed that is likely to get bounced early.

[Charlotteisthebest]

- Evan Massey ‏@EMasseyReport


- Alex Kennedy ‏@AlexKennedyNBA


- HoopsHype ‏@hoopshype

All three within the last 12 hours...



Awesome, lets get him!!!!!

[tamburello]

Bill Ingram says:


Hornets source confirms our earlier report that they are interested in Gana Diop...possible s&t with Bobcats for Carl Landry

Things may turn out to be very interesting. My guess is 3y/$24 m, what do you think about our offer?

[cltblkhscoach]

Diop has value as an expiring, and his salary of over 7 million would make sense for Landry, but I'm thinking more 2 years 14 million. If there's a 3rd year I'm thinking it's a team option, it would match contract wise everything else going on with Sessions, Haywood, and Tyrus after this season.

[polarcat]

Too much dough for me. I've loathed the Diop contract forever, but it's an expiring and we've lasted through it this long. To give up an expiring, just to turn around and lay out 8M/yr for 3 more years on a 29 forward that really isn't part of our long term plans hurts. Considering what Randolph, Scola, and Hill just got, I'd rather stick with what we have and unload the Diop contract at the deadline.

[tamburello]

Too much dough for me. I've loathed the Diop contract forever, but it's an expiring and we've lasted through it this long. To give up an expiring, just to turn around and lay out 8M/yr for 3 more years on a 29 forward that really isn't part of our long term plans hurts. Considering what Randolph, Scola, and Hill just got, I'd rather stick with what we have and unload the Diop contract at the deadline.

I wouldn't have preferred that much money either. But Kris Humphries signing set the market for us, considering our offer to him. 7 mil per season seems fair to me though.

I'd like to remind that in sign&trade agreements, the contract of the s&t'ed player has to be for at least 3 years, and at least 1 year has to be guaranteed.

[Charlotteisthebest]

I like it, brings in Landry to fill out our top 12 roster spots, then leaves Matt and 2 open spots to find prospects to fill out the 15 man roster!!! Landry is 28 and most certainly has at least 3 good seasons of basketball in him, make it happen Bobcats!!!!

[Scottley Crue]

If the Hornets are interested in Diop, then using his salary in a sign and trade makes sense. I know GS was willing to give Landry the MLE and it seemed talks with them seem to have cooled. So we can offer more to Landry, offer an expiring to NO and land a solid vet PF we've been looking for. I wouldn't be over the moon about the third year, but maybe that can be made a team option. That and turning Diop into something useful makes that an appealing move to me.

[ALong13]

Carl Landry is a guy that I think can start for this team right away and be pretty effective. A career 12 & 5 guy, and I think those numbers could rise to 15 & 7 easily in Charlotte. I'd have no problem giving him that deal if Hornets take Diop off our hands. Sure Diop's contract is nice as an expiring, but it's not going to net us a superstar, let's get rid of it, and spend that money on someone who will actually help our team.

[Charlotteisthebest]

If the Hornets are interested in Diop, then using his salary in a sign and trade makes sense. I know GS was willing to give Landry the MLE and it seemed talks with them seem to have cooled. So we can offer more to Landry, offer an expiring to NO and land a solid vet PF we've been looking for. I wouldn't be over the moon about the third year, but maybe that can be made a team option. That and turning Diop into something useful makes that an appealing move to me.


Agree 100%

[Charlotteisthebest]

Carl Landry is a guy that I think can start for this team right away and be pretty effective. A career 12 & 5 guy, and I think those numbers could rise to 15 & 7 easily in Charlotte. I'd have no problem giving him that deal if Hornets take Diop off our hands. Sure Diop's contract is nice as an expiring, but it's not going to net us a superstar, let's get rid of it, and spend that money on someone who will actually help our team.


Also agree 100%

[notdeadyet]

Diop is a vet, they are a C-starved roster, and as vet C's on short-term contracts aren't generally available, it's basically an easy way to get one w/o giving up a current player. Since they seemingly don't want Landry back, and we need a PF, it does make sense BOTH ways.

[Plowright]

We remember when Diaw was expiring last year? We could not get anything for him, so what makes you think we will get something for the expiring Diop which is actually less cash ( only 6 mil compared to Diaw's 9 mil) I say make the trade happen, I like it

[spectre]

Diop is a vet, they are a C-starved roster, and as vet C's on short-term contracts aren't generally available, it's basically an easy way to get one w/o giving up a current player. Since they seemingly don't want Landry back, and we need a PF, it does make sense BOTH ways.

Yup.

BTW, aren't these S&T deals for FAs disappearing after the 3 yr. moratorium in the new CBA?

[Charlotteisthebest]

Diop is a vet, they are a C-starved roster, and as vet C's on short-term contracts aren't generally available, it's basically an easy way to get one w/o giving up a current player. Since they seemingly don't want Landry back, and we need a PF, it does make sense BOTH ways.


We remember when Diaw was expiring last year? We could not get anything for him, so what makes you think we will get something for the expiring Diop which is actually less cash ( only 6 mil compared to Diaw's 9 mil) I say make the trade happen, I like it


Agree with both!

[tamburello]

Yup.

BTW, aren't these S&T deals for FAs disappearing after the 3 yr. moratorium in the new CBA?

-Starting in 2013-14, the team cannot receive a player in a sign-and-trade if they have used the Taxpayer Mid-Level exception that season.

-Starting in 2013-14, teams above the apron cannot receive a player in a sign-and-trade transaction.

I guess the restriction rules are like that (from cbafaq of Larry Coon).

[MadBOBCATfanUK]

Warriors are also pursuing AK-47, signing him should cap them out, that leaves Landry free to sign for the Cats, Hopefully.

[westbrook08]

Warriors are also pursuing AK-47, signing him should cap them out, that leaves Landry free to sign for the Cats, Hopefully.

I saw that this morning and thought it would be nice if it happened.But there was another source saying that ak47 was really only considering the nets because he likes being home and playing in moscow, but that he could be swayed to go to brooklyn becuase of their owner.We'll see i guess.And if we do a sign and trade for landry i hope no one gets their hopes up about them taking diop.More than likely it's gonna be a future 2nd round pick or maybe a small expiring like williams.Their not taking diop at the tune of 9 mil this year.Not gonna happen.

[tamburello]

And if we do a sign and trade for landry i hope no one gets their hopes up about them taking diop.More than likely it's gonna be a future 2nd round pick or maybe a small expiring like williams.Their not taking diop at the tune of 9 mil this year.Not gonna happen.

We don't have any capspace or trade exception to absorb Landry without sending anything back. So Diop is indeed essential for such a trade.

[notdeadyet]

With Brad Miller the only true C on their roster (Jason Smith more of a PF than C, Anthony Davis is a PF), and Diop an expiring vet, this might be the Hornets best shot at a C this year, and they could let him walk next year. Given both teams' situation, looks like a 'win-win' to me...
Sounds like AK47 is the Warriors' plan B if they lose out on Landry...

[Plowright]

I would rather play Austin Rivers at centre than Diop, but if they want him it would pay us back a little bit for taking Anthony Davis from us

[Scottley Crue]

I thought Brad Miller was retiring? I read (I forget where) that only about $850k of Miller's salary is guaranteed, so there's savings in his contract if he is retiring. And if he is done, they REALLY need a center and some money to help reach the floor. Diop helps with both and expires. They've probably kicked the tires on the centers out there and may not like the salary commitment needed to land a free agent center. It does seem odd to use Diop to fill said void, but if nothing else, his salary seems to fit the bill.

[westbrook08]

We don't have any capspace or trade exception to absorb Landry without sending anything back. So Diop is indeed essential for such a trade.

What we would have to absorb depends on what we would be offering him,which is not clear yet.If we pay him 3 mil a year,maybe we send back williams.If we pay him 5, maybe we send back caroll.We've not gonna be paying landry over 5, i'm almost sure of that so i doubt diop would be in the deal, nor do i think they would want him.And anthony davis is gonna be used at center apparently because they sure as hell didn't pay ryan anderson a buttload of money to sit on the bench.

[Charlotteisthebest]

What we would have to absorb depends on what we would be offering him,which is not clear yet.If we pay him 3 mil a year,maybe we send back williams.If we pay him 5, maybe we send back caroll.We've not gonna be paying landry over 5, i'm almost sure of that so i doubt diop would be in the deal, nor do i think they would want him.And anthony davis is gonna be used at center apparently because they sure as hell didn't pay ryan anderson a buttload of money to sit on the bench.


NoLa has already said that they are interested in Diop.

[ALong13]

Carl Landry is expected to decide where he's signing in the next couple of days, according to a league source. Landry would like to play for the Warriors. He thinks it's one of the better situations for him. But being one of the best free agents available may end up getting him a contract offer too rich for the Warriors' blood. No one has blown him away salary wise, but Landry clearly wants more than what the Warriors are offering (otherwise he would've already signed, right?). No indications from Warriors camp they are willing to go into tax territory to sign Landry, so you gotta figure their offer their offer.

-Marcus Thompson Sulia Account (http://sulia.com/source/S-887411/)

Thompson is the Warriors beat writer so he most likely has inside information on this. I hope Landry comes to Charlotte, but if money isn't as important as he's stretched it out to be, than he'll be a Warrior it seems.

[kitch0202]

Could someone objective please break down Landry's game for me. My perspective is:

Good:Effort, Character, Athlete (for a 4) ...
OK: Scorer (efficient), Defender (effort wise) ...
Poor: Size, Rebounder (might be closer to OK, but for a 4 he's certainly not good) ...

If we get him for two years (three years at the very outside) for a reasonable rate (sub $5m) and have the intention to move TT at the end of/after this season whatever it takes (i.e. use Amnesty if required) then it's not the worst move. But surely signing him can only take time away from Mullins & TT (it isn't impossible that Coach gets through to him) and consume salary when we're comfortably above the min spend anyway? If we want another 4 for depth then why not just go with Othello Hunter, who seems like a cheaper one-to-two steps inferior version of Landry, which surely is what we're looking for?

[spectre]

What we would have to absorb depends on what we would be offering him,which is not clear yet.If we pay him 3 mil a year,maybe we send back williams.If we pay him 5, maybe we send back caroll.We've not gonna be paying landry over 5, i'm almost sure of that so i doubt diop would be in the deal, nor do i think they would want him.And anthony davis is gonna be used at center apparently because they sure as hell didn't pay ryan anderson a buttload of money to sit on the bench.

The Warriors can offer him 5 per (MLE), so if he comes here I feel pretty confident he'll be getting more than that. Gana's last year is 7,373,200 per Hoopshype so if he's the trade bait we could be going north of 8 max.

[Plowright]

Could someone objective please break down Landry's game for me. My perspective is:

Good:Effort, Character, Athlete (for a 4) ...
OK: Scorer (efficient), Defender (effort wise) ...
Poor: Size, Rebounder (might be closer to OK, but for a 4 he's certainly not good) ...

He is not a great athlete, but he is a very skilled post scorer and can really hit the midrange jumper. He is not that big, but his rebounding is not actually that bad, I think he will be a good rebounder on this team as we dont have that natural 10 rebounds per game guy like Oak. Have a look at http://mysynergysports.com/ have a look for carl landry. His knock is that he doesnt have great athleticism but with Biz, TT and Byron we already have pretty athletic bigs

[Toocool]

He kind of reminds me of a poor man's Zach Randolph. Without the whole scary murderous look or the bulk of Z-Bo.

[Twan's Kin]

$5 million per is too much for Landry.

[Charlotteisthebest]

Thompson is the Warriors beat writer so he most likely has inside information on this. I hope Landry comes to Charlotte, but if money isn't as important as he's stretched it out to be, than he'll be a Warrior it seems.

Hope he is coming to Charlotte as well! ;)

[dnbman]

[quoteRick Bonnell @rick_bonnell
13m
@TheRocketGuy I hear they likely can't make best offer in absence of S&T.[/quote]

In response to Bill Ingram saying we had room to sign him outright.

At least if they plan on overpaying a bit, they're getting rid of dead weight in the process.

I'm not sure how valuable the expiring contracts really are. In order to get anything for them, you have to take on longer bad salary. The value is really more about what you're willing to take on than it is the expiring contract, which only helps facilitate the trade. That means we're adding more guaranteed money to our contracts, which I don't mind, given how low our payroll will be next year. However, we can be flippant about it and just take on contracts because we can.

Signing Landry obviously adds to that cap, but if we have to add ANOTHER player for Diop's expiring, then we've got even more on the books. That's why I think it's a great idea to trade away Diop if the goal is to sign Landry. For whatever reason, Bonnell says it's unlikely.

[Scottley Crue]

Rick chimed in a little bit ago with this:

@rick_bonnell
It's unlikely #Bobcats will pull off a sign-and-trade for Carl Landry.

[spectre]

DNB - the scenario Ingram put forth having us acquire Landry with space:


@TheRocketGuy: Because N.O. renounced Landry, they have to have the cap space to absorb Diop in s&t for Landry. Diop makes 7.37 this year (expires).

@TheRocketGuy: Easier to trade Miller for Diop...Miller owed 5.1 mill, but only guaranteed for 848K...

Still a S&T however...just not S&T Landry directly.

Right now Hoopshype is showing them with space and 8 players. Dunno how uptodate that is.

[Scottley Crue]

I'm having a hard time understanding New Orleans' motivation to take on Diop, unless they can't find a decent backup center for a price they like? But if only that portion of Miller's contract is guaranteed, they can waive him and create cap space to sign people...right? If they get Diop, he is a center and would expire so maybe that works for them? I'm just a little confused as to how acquiring Diop helps them when they could possibly waive Miller and create space that way. I'm sure I'm missing something (probably the Miller contract situation), but I'm just having a hard time putting it all together for them.

[spectre]

Scottley I think right now Miller is just a contract; he's not playing anymore.

What is NOLA's salary right now...is Hoopshype correct? If they were at the cap then I can see wanting Gana as it allows them some flexibility getting around it (as Tam posted yesterday nontaxpaying teams can still S&T FAs). If they're sitting at 45 million however I don't see why they'd want him either.

[MadBOBCATfanUK]

I though Brad miller retired

[Scottley Crue]

Scottley I think right now Miller is just a contract; he's not playing anymore.

What is NOLA's salary right now...is Hoopshype correct? If they were at the cap then I can see wanting Gana as it allows them some flexibility getting around it (as Tam posted yesterday nontaxpaying teams can still S&T FAs). If they're sitting at 45 million however I don't see why they'd want him either.

Yeah, I was looking at Hoopshype too and couldn't see how trading for any contract helped them more than waiving Miller, especially since he's not playing. If they did get Diop, then just signing their rookies would put them at or possibly over the cap if Hoopshype is right...all while only having 9 players. Maybe they really are interested in Diop and would then sign 3 or more vet min guys, but I have a hard time thinking that's a good way to go.

[Charlotteisthebest]

We are striking out left and right at PF if this is now the case lol ;)

JJ hickson (strikeout)
Tyler hans. (strikeout)
Elton Brand (strikeout)
Scola (strikeout)
Kris Hump (strikeout)
Anthony Rand (strikeout)
now Landry (strikeout??)

Who is left now lol ;)
Kenyon Martin (old backup)
Andray B. (headcase)
DJ white (????)


Damnnnn, oh well!

[murphman]

I'm not sure how valuable the expiring contracts really are. In order to get anything for them, you have to take on longer bad salary. The value is really more about what you're willing to take on than it is the expiring contract, which only helps facilitate the trade. That means we're adding more guaranteed money to our contracts, which I don't mind, given how low our payroll will be next year. However, we can be flippant about it and just take on contracts because we can.

I'm going to play devils advocate and challenge that statement. The timeline I'll be referring to starts next summer: Assuming Ben Gordon doesn't opt out (likely right now), assuming we pick up the options on Kemba and BB (very likely), assuming we don't amesity Tyrus (slightly better than a 50/50 chance), assuming we pick up the second year team option of Jeff Taylor's contract (very likely since it will be cheap), and assuming BJ Mullens and Gerald Henderson are somehow retained after this year (they are RFA's next July)...assuming all of those things, I am showing that the cap hits on all 10 guys (B. Gordon, T. Thomas, R. Sessions, MKG, Gerald Henderson, Biyombo, Kemba, Mullens, Brendan Haywood & Jeff Taylor) will have salaries and cap hits totaling about 48 million. And those figures are using the restricted tender offers for Gerald Henderson (4.3 million) and Mullens (3.3 million). I think we all know that if we offer those guys an extension in January or match another teams offer next summer those amounts will be higher especially for Henderson.

So after digesting all of those amounts, if we plan to add Carl Landry to the mix at 7 million per year our cap hit goes to 55 million. Then, lets say in January we do extend Henderson (4 yrs 28 million) and Mullens (4 years 16 million). So remove their RFA tenders above and replace them with those amounts. Now our cap hit is at 58.5 million which is right at this years cap limit. And that is only 11 players total. And we don't have a 2nd round pick next year to add a cheap player. I realize we could have 3 1st round picks although most of us doubt we will.

Thus in this possible outcome, our depth chart for 2013-2014 will be locked into with these 12 or 13 players:

Kemba, Sessions
Henderson, B. Gordon
MKG, Jeff Taylor
Mullens, Landry, TT
BB, Haywood
plus 1 or 2 first round picks giving us a cap hit of 61-65 million.

Is this the team everyone wants one year from now? I actually kind of like it but for those on here who are drooling at the chance to get Stephen Curry or James Harden, I just dont see the numbers working out.

[spectre]

Well done Murph!

Obviously we've all been just assuming our status with space next season. Good thinking on checking that out.

[dnbman]

I'm going to play devils advocate and challenge that statement. The timeline I'll be referring to starts next summer: Assuming Ben Gordon doesn't opt out (likely right now), assuming we pick up the options on Kemba and BB (very likely), assuming we don't amesity Tyrus (slightly better than a 50/50 chance), assuming we pick up the second year team option of Jeff Taylor's contract (very likely since it will be cheap), and assuming BJ Mullens and Gerald Henderson are somehow retained after this year (they are RFA's next July)...assuming all of those things, I am showing that the cap hits on all 10 guys (B. Gordon, T. Thomas, R. Sessions, MKG, Gerald Henderson, Biyombo, Kemba, Mullens, Brendan Haywood & Jeff Taylor) will have salaries and cap hits totaling about 48 million. And those figures are using the restricted tender offers for Gerald Henderson (4.3 million) and Mullens (3.3 million). I think we all know that if we offer those guys an extension in January or match another teams offer next summer those amounts will be higher especially for Henderson.

So after digesting all of those amounts, if we plan to add Carl Landry to the mix at 7 million per year our cap hit goes to 55 million. Then, lets say in January we do extend Henderson (4 yrs 28 million) and Mullens (4 years 16 million). So remove their RFA tenders above and replace them with those amounts. Now our cap hit is at 58.5 million which is right at this years cap limit. And that is only 11 players total. And we don't have a 2nd round pick next year to add a cheap player. I realize we could have 3 1st round picks although most of us doubt we will.

Thus in this possible outcome, our depth chart for 2013-2014 will be locked into with these 12 or 13 players:

Kemba, Sessions
Henderson, B. Gordon
MKG, Jeff Taylor
Mullens, Landry, TT
BB, Haywood
plus 1 or 2 first round picks giving us a cap hit of 61-65 million.

Is this the team everyone wants one year from now? I actually kind of like it but for those on here who are drooling at the chance to get Stephen Curry or James Harden, I just dont see the numbers working out.

It's definitely a bit sobering seeing all those contracts. Fair enough in challenging the statement!

I think I'm having mixed feelings at the moment. Might go drink some coffee and write a poem.

At least the year after (14-15), we'd definitely done with Gordon, potentially with Tyrus, and Ramon, and will have almost exclusively our draft picks on contract.

[spectre]

I'll go on record...do NOT want Landry for all that money. Probably wouldn't want to pay him as much as GSW either.

[dav7z]

Ok guys help me understand this , If we siting at 53067 including Taylors contract of 1.4 We trade Carroll at 3.5 for Laundry at 7 mil we should be siting at 55657 with 14 players under contract.
Coming off the books is Diop at 7232, R Williams 2500. If we would animisty TT thats 8694 more a total of 17462 coming off the books if we want . next season
55.567 - 17426=38141 ON THE BOOKS . Looks like we could sign a max free agent , starting at around 15 , then resign Hendo and Mully and stay well below the luxery tax .http://hoopshype.com/salaries/charlotte.htm

Then you have 17 more mil coming off in 14 and 15 to resign thease rooks .
Where am i way off guys ?

[spectre]

As it stands right now...

Ben Gordon 12,400,000
Tyrus - 8,000,000
Gana - 7,372,200
Sessions - 5,000,000
MKG - 4,602,720
Carroll - 3,500,000
Henderson - 3,101,327
Bismack - 2,923,920
Williams - 2,612,500
Kemba - 2,462,400
Mullens - 2,253,062
Haywood - 2,050,000

= 56,278,129

The salary cap is 58,044,000.

Available capspace is 1,765,871.

We also have:

Room Exception - 2.5 million.
Bi-annual Exception - 1.9 million
Minimum Salary Exception.

The Exceptions can't be combined.

Guys feel free to back check the heck out of that.

Edit: Actually I'm putting this in a new thread so I can find it again.

[dav7z]

According to this hoopshape link it totals just don't add up

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/charlotte.htm
it's at least 3 million off with differances in a lot of salries .
What site are you useing Spectre

[Scottley Crue]

Given those salary numbers, a certain desire to stay under the cap and the still-present interest in a vet PF, perhaps it's time to look at guys like Shelden Williams and Craig Smith. It wouldn't hurt my feelings to have a rougher-style player at that position (as opposed to Tyrus and Byron) and those two fit the bill.

[Black]

Despite the HoopsHype headline saying the Hornets and Warriors are the frontrunners, it's still us.


Bill Ingram: GSW, CHA still frontrunners for Carl Landry, but source says there are "lots" of other teams trying to find ways to land him. Twitter

[spectre]

According to this hoopshape link it totals just don't add up

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/charlotte.htm
it's at least 3 million off with differances in a lot of salries .
What site are you useing Spectre

I don't think Hoopshype's salaries add up and Storytellers doesn't include Sessions.

I basically just went by Storytellers + Sessions & Haywood.

[SCBobcat]

Add Taylor and most of the remaining 1.7 is used. Also, we all know half of or most of whatever remains will probably end up in Higgins' pocket as our 14th man.

[Plowright]

The Suns and Hornets have had talks about a possible S & T with Robin Lopez. Certainly beats us giving them Gana Diop!!!

[mrtarheel]

I found an interesting read here about Landry situation, http://www.hoopsworld.com/nba2-time-for-carl-landry-to-get-paid2. It says that NO wanted to trade us Miller for Diop. Only $848 is guaranteed for his contract so we could let him walk for pennies. I guess this is the hold up with Landry about how much money he wants. Doing that would give us about 8 to 9 mil to sign him. But I would not want him for more than 6mil tops, which is more than GSW can pay.

[murphman]

Even though Landry is used to getting 9 million per year for the past four years, he needs to realize that salaries are lower under this new CBA, he turns 30 in 14 months, and very few teams have the room to fit him in at 5-6 million per. 7-9 million per year for even two years isn't going to happen barring something unforseen. Cho is doing the right thing by sitting back on this one. If he is eventually lost to Golden State or a foreign team...so be it.

[spectre]

I found an interesting read here about Landry situation, http://www.hoopsworld.com/nba2-time-for-carl-landry-to-get-paid2. It says that NO wanted to trade us Miller for Diop. Only $848 is guaranteed for his contract so we could let him walk for pennies. I guess this is the hold up with Landry about how much money he wants. Doing that would give us about 8 to 9 mil to sign him. But I would not want him for more than 6mil tops, which is more than GSW can pay.

I don't think you can't combine exceptions with capspace.

7,372,200 - 848,000 = 6,524,200.

That's still over the MLE that GSW is offering, so most likely it's either NOLA or us having 2nd thoughts. Since NOLA has been talking to PHO & Minny I'd guess it was them.

[murphman]

Looks like NO has just gotten Robin Lopez on a sign and trade for 3yrs/15 million. They have also have apparently taken on Hakem Warricks contract which is two more years at 4 million per year. By getting their center in Lopez & adding 9 million to their years salary between those two players, they have no need for Diop.

Landry to the Bobcats is fading fast.

[superb1]

Seems bad for Landry too, it looked like the way for him to get what he was looking for was in a S and T. We don't have space and GS is pursuing him too but not at what he wants it seems. He may have to settle for GS's offer

[Proudiddy]

I thought we still had more cap space than GS?

[spectre]

I thought we still had more cap space than GS?

GS started out over the cap thus have their full MLE (nontaxpaying). We've essentially spent all of our capspace.

Kind of an apples/oranges comparison in regards to available money between the 2 teams.

[notdeadyet]

Cho is very creative; even if we eventually lose out on Landry there are other possibilities, especially on the trade front...

[ammofan]

@MySportsLegion:

Bobcats have become the front-runners to land forward Carl Landry.

[spectre]

@MySportsLegion:

Bobcats have become the front-runners to land forward Carl Landry.

This is going to be interesting to see how we would pull it off.

[Scrapper1]

@MySportsLegion:

Bobcats have become the front-runners to land forward Carl Landry.

Nice.. Cho gonna be praised for the work he's done with this team one day. MJ made a great hire with him. Dont care much for Rod though..

[Black]

I don't see that Tweet on their page.

[isguros]

If we pull it of, I think we'll have to send Mullens and Williams or Hendo to NO. I don't think it's worth it.

[TheBeagle]

If we pull it of, I think we'll have to send Mullens and Williams or Hendo to NO. I don't think it's worth it. Yeah, like I said on the first or second page of this thread, proceed with caution here. Just because we struck out with the rest of our 4s in free agency is no reason to overvalue/overpay Landry just to say "we finally landed somebody". Like his game, but he's nothing but a stop-gap, a la, Sessions; he's not a long-term solution, so let's not do something stupid.

[notdeadyet]

Who knows; they may still be interested in Diop as a b/u C in their rotation. With Miller gone, Lopez is the only C they got, although Smith can fill in. Bad as Diop is, Lopez is very erratic, often very bad himself...

[kitch0202]

Just because we struck out with the rest of our 4s in free agency is no reason to overvalue/overpay Landry just to say "we finally landed somebody".

Absolutely! Be patient and if he comes for a reasonable salary for the right number of years then ok(ish), sign him if that's what the FO wants. But overpaying for average (and in this case undersized) vets is exactly the opposite of our rebuilding mantra. Rebuild with youth/energy/potential and develop 'n' maintain a controlled/flexible cap situation.

[tamburello]

Warriors have only non-taxpayers' MLE, $5 million to offer Landry. They cannot pull a trade because they have absolutely nothing to offer to NO.

If NO still wants Diop, and we pay Landry something like 6-6.5 million per year, I believe Landry would want us. However the question is, whether NO still wants Diop after Lopez. They can find a 7 footer who basically does nothing from free agency, but if they only want Diop... it'll be highly interesting.

I think NO demands a first rounder, but we shouldn't surrender any of them, maybe a couple of second rounders would be OK.

[westbrook08]

I'm not sure how it plays out now.Miller was included in the 3 way trade and that is supposedly who they were gonna send us for gana.There's now way way in hell that we will give them mullens or hendo.And cho would probably let someone sleep with his wife before he'd trade away a first round pick at this point! lol. I think caroll or williams are the most likely to be included in a deal.We have too many wing players and they just lost belinnelli so it might make sense.I just hope we don't overpay landry, and that it's not a very long deal.

[spectre]

It depends on NOLA's cap situation. In order to S&T Landry they have to have the space under the cap to do it as they renounced him already. That's why Miller was a prime component in our scenario due to his low buyout.

If NOLA does not have space then all this is bullshit because we can't get him unless another team with room comes into the picture.

Unless there's something I'm missing.

[bbh2020]

Rick Bonnell‏@rick_bonnell
#Bobcats (https://twitter.com/#!/search/%23Bobcats) still exploring ways to get Carl Landry. Some chance they could end up as a 4th team in that NO-Phoenix-Minnesota trade talk.

[ohara831]

If there is a deal to benefit the Cats, I trust Cho to find it.

[ohara831]

http://www.hoopsworld.com/nba2-charlotte-bobcats-ready-to-turn-the-page

Did not want to start a new thread for this one article, but Ingram seems to think Cho is turning it around here in Charlotte. And if he can get Landry cheap, just another feather in his cap. Hiring Cho is the best move MJ has made since he took ownership of this team.

[Charlotteisthebest]

Come on Landry!

[Plowright]

NOH, the Timberwolves and the suns have completed that 3 team trade so we are not going to be the 4th team in that anymore

[mrtarheel]

He was waiting for the schedule to come out to see where he wanted to on his birthday!!!!!!!!!!! He needs to find out and sign already

[bbh2020]

Do you think it's possible that we send Diop to Phoenix for Brad Miller's contract? Waive him and then sign Landry?

Sheridan mentions that is a good trade for Phoenix but now they need a backup center bad.

Chris Sheridan‏@sheridanhoops
#Suns (https://twitter.com/#!/search/%23Suns) add Wesley Johnson and 1st rd pick. But they need a backup center ASAP #NBA (https://twitter.com/#!/search/%23NBA) http://www.sheridanhoops.com/2012/07/27/phoenix-suns-offseason-moves-analysis/ (http://t.co/ADpKwzAC)

[Katmandu]

Sheridan mentions that is a good trade for Phoenix but now they need a backup center bad.

Chris Sheridan‏@sheridanhoops
#Suns (https://twitter.com/#%21/search/%23Suns) add Wesley Johnson and 1st rd pick. But they need a backup center ASAP #NBA (https://twitter.com/#%21/search/%23NBA) http://www.sheridanhoops.com/2012/07/27/phoenix-suns-offseason-moves-analysis/ (http://t.co/ADpKwzAC)

So they'll settle for a bad backup center?

[notdeadyet]

The Suns may not be in any hurry to get a b/u Center, but Frye is like Jason Smith on the Hornets; he CAN b/u C, but isn't big enough to survive there for long... And trading us Miller would give them a chance to upgrade their b/u C position. Not sure how we'd do a deal with the Hornets now, but a deal with the Suns sounds like a real possibility, unless they decide to go cheap and sign a D-Leaguer or young FA...

[Scottley Crue]

Phoenix, from the info I can find, may need about 2 million more in salary to meet the floor. Thie difference between Miller's salary cap # (5 mil) and Diop's salary (a little over 7 mil) would help them get there. Of course, while they do need a center, this supposes interest in Diop...which is still a tough thing to fathom.

[notdeadyet]

LOL, Scottley; difficult indeed! Well, Diop is a big body in the paint, obviously. Only youngish guy out there is Hassan Whiteside, who as yet is lacking a true C's torso... Diop for Miller would appear to solve their problem and ours...

[Scottley Crue]

LOL, Scottley; difficult indeed! Well, Diop is a big body in the paint, obviously. Only youngish guy out there is Hassan Whiteside, who as yet is lacking a true C's torso... Diop for Miller would appear to solve their problem and ours...

Oh, it'd definitely make sense cap-wise for both sides; it could be a trade that helps both teams. And Diop coming off the books after this season has to help. This is really the best shot we have at landing Landry. It would seem its between us and GS. I'm not sure what Landry's thoughts are, but something's holding up his decision. Perhaps it's us trying to clear space for him?

[spectre]

Going by their fans GSW wants to re-sign Rush as well. They have about 7 million til the LT so I imagine the $ isn't there from anyone for Landry yet.

[Charlotteisthebest]

And the Landry Saga continues ;)

[westbrook08]

You would think even the lower tier free agents would be deciding fairly quick by now.The ones with kids are gonna only have like 3 weeks to find a house and get settled before school starts.And landry's agent said he was gonna decide in the next few days about a week ago.That's a long couple of days!

[teej]

If the Hornets want Diop, it's only because Mickey Loomis needs him to be a 400 pound D-Tackle for the Saints since they're all suspended.

Seriously though, I wouldn't want Landry for more than 6 per...and even then I'd rather give Mully and Biz those extra minutes.

[Plowright]

Legion Sports ‏@MySportsLegion
Bobcats are still working hard to acquire Hornets forward Carl Landry (UFA), whether thru free agency or via sign & trade with Hornets.

The longer this goes on the less I want him. He obviously does not really want to be here or he would have signed already, I think we are his last resort. Also the longer and harder we try to get him the more we will end up paying him. I just don't want us to get good enough to only get a 7-10 pick which might happen if JT and MKG really play well. Also, it will take away our financial flexability which Cho has used really well so far

[Scrapper1]

All this for a power forward who averaged 12 pts & 5 rebs a game last season and the same for career average? An inconsistent player who wont give you anything more than that? I rather give Malcom Thomas a shot than overpay a guy who doesnt deserve it.. Bobcats, there is great talent that played in the summer league that will be more productive than Landry. All these bums like Higgins, Najera, Diop gotta go..and why does Rod Higgins still have a job in the NBA? Any man that will put his bum ass son on a roster does not deserve to be in charge of a team. Cho is the answer.. Higgins cramping his style.

[WAM9]

...and why does Rod Higgins still have a job in the NBA? Any man that will put his bum ass son on a roster does not deserve to be in charge of a team. Cho is the answer.. Higgins cramping his style.

Yeah, because we have had such a shitty off season, Higgins must clearly be doing a bad job.

If you are going to complain when the front office does a bad job, you can't also complain about them when they do a good job. Actually, I forgot this was Bobcat's Planet - "Where almost everyone complains about everything."

We are finally at a point where we are consistently making great decisions in our front office. Why not just be happy about that and not look to throw anyone under the bus. Basketball is a team game, I bet the front office side is as well. You know the old saying..."if it ain't broke, don't fix it". For the first time in a while, our front office isn't broke. Let's give them credit and leave them alone so they can continue to do their job.

[Scottley Crue]

Many criticisms can be made of Higgins, but keep in mind the reason Cho is here is because Higgins made the call to get him in here. Certainly, it was Jordan's move to hire him, but he doesn't get put in front of Jordan if Higgins doesn't contact him.

On Landry, unless GS wants to pay the lux tax (and maybe they do, I don't know) paying Landry AND Rush a fair market value will be nearly impossible. Rush has a qualifying offer of over $4 mill and I'm sure he wants more than that. So does Landry. So it may be down to us and GS to see who can make the most space for him...us trying to dump more than $5 mil so we can offer more than the MLE, which is the most GS can offer him. We'll see...would like to have him here, just not on a crazy deal.

[notdeadyet]

My impression has been Landry wants to come here, we want him, but UNTIL we create some cap room by trading Diop or someone else, we aren't likely to make a formal offer. It's a good thing Landry appears to not be in a big hurry...

[Black]

The Warriors are close to coming to terms with restricted free agent Brandon Rush and are also on the verge of signing free agent power forward Carl Landry, according to Mark Bartelstein, the agent for both players. It is possible that the deals could be done by the end of the day.

Probably for the best. Yi or whatshisname from SDSU please.

[superb1]

Probably for the best. Yi or whatshisname from SDSU please.

since he is the agent for both, some deal between them was probably made befitting to both.

[westbrook08]

I don't see how they could possibly get rush and landry unless one of them is taking almost nothing this year and getting a back loaded long term deal or there is a sign and trade.If they pull this off, they've had one hell of an off season! It'll be interesting to see what happens.

[spectre]

Me either. Rush's QO is 4.385 million too and they're less than 8 million from the LT. Unless Rush negotiated a multi year deal with a lesser starting salary Landry is taking one hell of a paycut (he made 8.5 million last year).

[Scrapper1]

Yeah, because we have had such a shitty off season, Higgins must clearly be doing a bad job.

If you are going to complain when the front office does a bad job, you can't also complain about them when they do a good job. Actually, I forgot this was Bobcat's Planet - "Where almost everyone complains"

You mad? I thought we could express opinions here. Should we all think like you? Should we keep our opinions to ourselves? If i think Cory Higgins sucks, should i just not say it and ignore the fact that his dad keeps him on the roster.. just because hes his son? I dont complain about everything like youre crying that others do.. but im gonna say what i wanna say..period.

Sidenote: Landry signed with the Warriors 2yrs/ 8mil..

[superb1]

Now the Landry courtship is done and we can add him for the list of jilting summer loves.

[ohara831]

$4mil/yr is reasonable for Landry. Would have liked to have him in Charlotte for that money. He would have gotten more PT in Charlotte, so that sure wasn't the issue.

[Twan's Kin]

Time to give Vernon Macklin a call.

[WAM9]

You mad? I thought we could express opinions here. Should we all think like you? Should we keep our opinions to ourselves? If i think Cory Higgins sucks, should i just not say it and ignore the fact that his dad keeps him on the roster.. just because hes his son? I dont complain about everything like youre crying that others do.. but im gonna say what i wanna say..period.

Sidenote: Landry signed with the Warriors 2yrs/ 8mil..

Nope, not mad at all. I'm just calling it like i see it. If the shoe fits, wear it.

Just not sure what else our front office has to do to get folks to quit whining about them. We haven't made a bad move since the lockout was over. I credit Cho with the majority but it is very naive to think that Higgins and Jordan aren't doing their part. It's ok though, what fun would it be around here if we weren't mad at someone.

My bottom line is that when things are going bad, people blame Jordan and Higgins but when things are going good, folks say they have nothing to do with it and even that they are doing a horrible job. I guess I just get tired of reading the same BS all the time.

I don't follow your posts close enough to know what you think overall, I was just responding to your most recent post complaining about Higgins. And by the way, you are more than welcome to express your views/opinions. This is exactly what this site is for...don't get mad though when someone disagrees with you. Remember, that is what this site is for as well.

[Scrapper1]

Nope, not mad at all. I'm just calling it like i see it. If the shoe fits, wear it.

Just not sure what else our front office has to do to get folks to quit whining about them. We haven't made a bad move since the lockout was over. I credit Cho with the majority but it is very naive to think that Higgins and Jordan aren't doing their part. It's ok though, what fun would it be around here if we weren't mad at someone.

My bottom line is that when things are going bad, people blame Jordan and Higgins but when things are going good, folks say they have nothing to do with it and even that they are doing a horrible job. I guess I just get tired of reading the same BS all the time.

I don't follow your posts close enough to know what you think overall, I was just responding to your most recent post complaining about Higgins. And by the way, you are more than welcome to express your views/opinions. This is exactly what this site is for...don't get mad though when someone disagrees with you. Remember, that is what this site is for as well.

Im not reading all that.. but i dont care about anyone saying what they want, that is my general point.. just when ppl are saying what ppl shouldnt say, thats a problem. I never blame MJ..ever. Who blames the owner? But yeah, im off that..

[westbrook08]

Damn.For 4 mil a year i'm really surprised we couldn't get it done.New orleans must not have wanted anything we had.I guarantee we would have gone over 5.Golden state is loaded though.Wow.

Curry/Jack
Thompson/Rush
Barnes/Jefferson
Lee/Landry
Bogut/Ezelli

None of those guys are old.If they keep this team together them and okc could end up having some playoff battles for the ages over the next decade.Well done!

[cltblkhscoach]

Carl Landry joins Antawn Jamison on my FU list for next season.

[teej]

Im not reading all that..

Then why bother responding?

Guys, discussion is one thing. Nitpicking fights is a whole other animal and one that's happening far too often on this site. Maturity isn't a bad thing.

[westbrook08]

Carl Landry joins Antawn Jamison on my FU list for next season.

I don't see why.Jamison has earned the right to try and win after playing on shitty teams his whole career.And he only signed a one year deal, so he may very well be here next year.And can you blame landry? Obviously we couldn't work out a sign and trade so golden state actually had more money to offer,it's a better team that's getting ready to move to an awesome new arena in san francisco, and he has same agent as brandon rush.I would've gone there, and i'm from here! It's still a business.Don't hate on guys for making sound decisions.Our franchise hasn't earned the right to become a "preferred destination" yet.That will come in time.

[Scrapper1]

Then why bother responding?

Guys, discussion is one thing. Nitpicking fights is a whole other animal and one that's happening far too often on this site. Maturity isn't a bad thing.

Ok, sure. Is the insult needed? I was stating my point and moving on..lets move on.

[polarcat]

For 4M, I would've liked Landry here and am now bothered that we don't have him. I wasn't too crazy about giving up too much for him and his presence would've definitely netted us more wins. I guess it's on to a platoon tryout between Thomas (SDSU) and Hunter, though Thomas is only listed at 6'7" which is kinda scary at the 4 with our already small roster. As for all of the bickering going on throughout threads, it's time to re-open a "sandbox" or something for all of the arguing to go into in a separate section of the board. It seems like it's finding its' way onto too many threads over the past few months.

[Twan's Kin]

I think we could find someone cheap and better than Hunter at the 4 between now and November.

[superb1]

at minimum, just bring back UPS and DJW

[KGE]

What about some undrafted guys like Yancy Gates or Drew Gordon?

[mrtarheel]

It is looking to me more and more that we are going to end up with Blatche. His demeanor off the court is something but on the court and motivated is a totally different subject. I know he was the end all in Washington but a care free style like we play might bring out the best in him. A 1yr deal at about 2mil can't hurt. I know everyone will blast me but Mullens and TT won't be able to compete for a full year. TT is bound to get hurt and we need someone serviceable

[ziggy]

TT and Blatche in the same locker room... egads!

[dav7z]

It is looking to me more and more that we are going to end up with Blatche. His demeanor off the court is something but on the court and motivated is a totally different subject. I know he was the end all in Washington but a care free style like we play might bring out the best in him. A 1yr deal at about 2mil can't hurt. I know everyone will blast me but Mullens and TT won't be able to compete for a full year. TT is bound to get hurt and we need someone serviceable

I all so think he would work really well under Dunlap . Kid has tons of talant . Much more than Landry . If he totaly bought in , He could have a chance of being a long term P/F . He knows hes on his last chance For cheap its not going to hurt to give him a shot on a very short leash.

[Proudiddy]

F*ck you Carl Landry!

[Proudiddy]

What about some undrafted guys like Yancy Gates or Drew Gordon?
If we can't get Malcolm Thomas, I'd love to get Gates. I think he's gonna be a really solid pro. Not great, but solid.

[mrtarheel]

TT and Blatche in the same locker room... egads!

I think TT is going to come back with a vengence. This uptempo style is going to bring out the best in him. He's athletic as all out doors. Mullens looked good in the summer league imagine how TT would look (without the jumpshot although he does have mid-range). Blatche will be on his last leg knowing already he is standing on a banana peel waiting to fall in. Either he buys in or he could be out of the league.

[ND22]

Can we all agree that Blatche would not only be a bad fit for our team, but a bad fit for any team? I'd much rather sign a guy like Malcom Thomas then shell out cash on a guy that will ultimately frustrate the hell out of us. I don't see him fitting in with Dunlap, not because he doesn't fit the system, but rather that Dunlap is a no nonsense guy, and I don't see Blatche changing his ways. This notion that he has to buy in or be out of the league, I doubt he cares about that. He's never come across as a guy that has something to prove, rather one that just does whatever he wants and puts up decent numbers when he could put up all-star numbers. We are trying to change the culture of our franchise, not bring in players to change their attitudes.

[notdeadyet]

Coach Dunlap will have his hands full keeping TT in line; Blatche might put him over the edge...
On the good side, there are still 'decent' PF's out there, as well as rookie FA's. Not great players, but usable in our up-tempo, high-energy system...

[murphman]

May not ever find out the truth but there sure is a strong hint that money was not the issue with Carl. He just didn't want to be here.

[spectre]

May not ever find out the truth but there sure is a strong hint that money was not the issue with Carl. He just didn't want to be here.

Could you really blame him though? Every one of our players from last season took a major hit value wise due to us not putting out a competing roster and having inept coaching for our roster. Sure we look better today, but from an outsider's POV it makes total sense that it would still play a big factor...esp. in a case like Landry who will be playing for a new contract next season. The boy is probably feeling severely underpaid, and you just know that player option after next season was non-negotiable from Landry's camp. GSW is looking good this year, so most likely he will have much better odds of helping his stock. To him that should have been much more important than a million or two right now.

That being said I would be willing to bet we could have bought him if we could have cleared the space.

[spectre]

And God no to Blatche. It seems like he's in a position where he would put forth 100% next year but I think he's really lacking in the IQ area. Remember last year when WAS new coach (Randy Whitman?) had just came on and during a game with us Blatche hit a midrange shot and then did a stare down with him going back up the court? Jamison worked with him for a few years and you could tell he'd about lost all his patience with the guy.

The time Andray Blatche ate nachos before playing the Heat (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/post/the-time-andray-blatche-ate-nachos-before-playing-the-heat/2012/07/18/gJQAR3MhtW_blog.html)

Main thing that should be taken from the above story?


This was in August of 2007. Nearly five years ago. And it still sounds pretty accurate.

[westbrook08]

And God no to Blatche. It seems like he's in a position where he would put forth 100% next year but I think he's really lacking in the IQ area. Remember last year when WAS new coach (Randy Whitman?) had just came on and during a game with us Blatche hit a midrange shot and then did a stare down with him going back up the court? Jamison worked with him for a few years and you could tell he'd about lost all his patience with the guy.

The time Andray Blatche ate nachos before playing the Heat (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/post/the-time-andray-blatche-ate-nachos-before-playing-the-heat/2012/07/18/gJQAR3MhtW_blog.html)

Main thing that should be taken from the above story?

If we signed blatche i literally would not watch a bobcats game until he was off the roster.He's a piece of shit! I'll take k-mart,troy murphy, or djw any day of the week.And to whomever mentioned ups:We're not re-signing him because williams will be playing out of position at the 3 this year because we can't get hammer of the roster and we already have 6 wing players.He's gone.Or we could just bring back dominic mcguire!Championship! lol.

[Scrapper1]

Here are a bunch of reasons why Andray Blatche would be a mistake.. btw, please watch the vid of reason 3.. smh.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/post/remembering-andray-blatche/2012/07/17/gJQAT5JmrW_blog.html

[Scottley Crue]

Reasons for Andray Blatche:

-Most talented PF still available
-Dunlap says he's had good relationships with "difficult" players (AI, JR Smith in Denver)
-Should realize he has little room for error and walk the straight and narrow

Reasons against Andray Blatche

-is an All-Universe Knucklehead, as evidenced below from Truth About It:

-famously refusing to go back into a game on the same day the Wizards were promoting him for NBA’s most improved player
-questioning the value of his contract in 2010 despite still having two years remaining on his second NBA deal
-being busted for solicitation of a prostitute (who turned out to a police officer)
-suspended for fighting a teammate at a nightclub
-foolishly chasing a triple-double in garbage time
-declaring a willingness to “die” for basketball at 2011 media day
-lashing out at critics on sports talk radio
-in last season’s opener, labeling himself the team’s captain, then complaining about his role in the offense immediately after the game (a 90-84 loss to the Nets).

So yeah, that's a ginormous no for me.

[Toocool]

Blatche is a bigger headcase than TTime, and that's saying something.

[westbrook08]

You can't teach desire and work ethic.Derrick coleman could have been one of the best bigs of his era if he wasn't such a fat lazy turd.Eddie curry had that potential too.Potential doesn't mean shit once it becomes obvious that someone is never going to dedicate their life to it and put in the necessary work.And we could've already traded tyrus for him straight up and didn't.Even bonnell said they had no interest.I don't why this is a discussion at all.

[Plowright]

Blatch if your reading this. Don't even think about coming to Charlotte, If you do I will find you and I will beat you harder than that fake police officer prostitute

[superb1]

Carl Landry states that the decision to go with the Warriors was their committment to make the playoffs.

http://www.hoopsworld.com/nba-am-landry-warriors-playoff-bound/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=nba-am-landry-%20warriors-playoff-bound

I'm not going to wish them any bad luck but they would be lucky to squeeze in

[BETCATS]

Blatch if your reading this. Don't even think about coming to Charlotte, If you do I will find you and I will beat you harder than that fake police officer prostitute

I don't know what is less likely: Blatche reading ANYTHING in his free time (much less a Carl Landry thread on a Bobcats fan forum) or you lasting more than 35 seconds in a physical confrontation with him. Tough guy.
:D



(it's all love tho)

[SWedd523]

35 seconds is about all he can last in any endeavor

[BETCATS]

35 seconds is about all he can last in any endeavor

http://i45.tinypic.com/24ysm00.jpg

[ND22]

Here are a bunch of reasons why Andray Blatche would be a mistake.. btw, please watch the vid of reason 3.. smh.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/post/remembering-andray-blatche/2012/07/17/gJQAT5JmrW_blog.html

The triple double whore....lololololololol Best part is when he asks Yi to let him get the rebound.

[cltblkhscoach]

Landry stated that his decision was because he didn't want to play for a team playing for a draft pick. Stay classy Carl.

http://www.insidebayarea.com/warriors/ci_21213899/golden-state-warriors-general-manager-bob-myers-cautiously

[Proudiddy]

I hope they suck this year, and I like a lot of their players and Mark Jackson.

[Scrapper1]

Gotta admit, GSW looks pretty damn good on paper. Curry, Thompson, Barnes, Lee and Bogut.. with Ezeli, Landry, Jefferson, Green and Jack off the bench. Mark coaching too.. They may snag a 7 or 8 spot. Will have to see their game.. Klay Thompson gonna be a star one day..true story.

@ND22-LOL,He was thirsty for that rebound.. Never seen that in my life,lol. Funny thing is, he probably would had got it if he just played the game normally.

[TheBeagle]

Landry stated that his decision was because he didn't want to play for a team playing for a draft pick. Stay classy Carl.

http://www.insidebayarea.com/warriors/ci_21213899/golden-state-warriors-general-manager-bob-myers-cautiously Meh. I frankly didn't want him here anyway, so it looks like it's win-win. I appreciate the way he plays the game but he's only a placeholder, and less expensive options exist. Plus, he's not totally off-base with his assesment.

[G Wuh Wuh Wuh Wallace]

The 2012-2013 Warriors = The 2009-2010 Charlotte Bobcats......all that money for a 7th seed and and ass pounding by the Lakers or Thunder. Good try but not good enough.

[ND22]

The 2012-2013 Warriors = The 2009-2010 Charlotte Bobcats......all that money for a 7th seed and and ass pounding by the Lakers or Thunder. Good try but not good enough.

Right on the money.

[DY_nasty]

Why get mad about this?

He's not wrong.

[Chef]

Meh. I frankly didn't want him here anyway, so it looks like it's win-win. I appreciate the way he plays the game but he's only a placeholder, and less expensive options exist. Plus, he's not totally off-base with his assesment.

my thoughts exactly. especially with the last part. if i were a older free agent with options, i would avoid the bobcats unless they way overpaid too. landry doesn't have that many more chances during his career. yes, the warriors are probably no better than a 1st round loss, but that is better than a top 5 lottery team.