Top Rookie Performers of SL

[DashGlobal]

No surprise who is leading the way in ppg.

Lillard - 26ppg

J. Lamb 20ppg

MKG - 18ppg

Barnes - 17ppg

Beal - 17ppg

Will be interesting to see who ends up as the top 5 at the end of the season.

[Black]

I really wish he would have played in at least one more game, but I understand why they held him out.

When does training camp start?

[BlockParty]

Late september most likely

2010's dates: Sept. 28-Oct. 4 Wilmington
2009's dates: Sept. 29-Oct. 4 Charlotte
2008's dates: Sept. 30-Oct. 5 Wilmington

[DashGlobal]

Portland struck gold with Lillard. Cant believe people didnt see him as a top 5 pick. Good size, Great finisher with either hand, Great shoooter, Pure scorer.

[Chef]

Portland struck gold with Lillard. Cant believe people didnt see him as a top 5 pick. Good size, Great finisher with either hand, Great shoooter, Pure scorer.

again, take it easy it is just summer league. he is old (true graduated senior) and playing against inferior competition. if he had a poor summer league, it would be huge red flags, but a good summer league does not mean he is going to be a stud. it also doesn't mean he won't.

[DashGlobal]

again, take it easy it is just summer league. he is old (true graduated senior) and playing against inferior competition. if he had a poor summer league, it would be huge red flags, but a good summer league does not mean he is going to be a stud. it also doesn't mean he won't.

i was saying this dude was a stud / star before the draft. summer league means little to me. i go off off his skill set, physical tools, and college production.

pretty much a given he would light up the summer league given minutes just like i think it is a given he will average close to 20ppg this season with starter minutes.

most complete (safest) player in the draft imo

Aint a single other player in the draft that could check off yes to all of these

1) Good Size
2) Great Scorer
3) Great Shooter
4) Dominated College
5) Great Handle
6) Great Finisher

[Whiz Kid]

Damian Lillard will be the Rookie of the Year, honestly. It's not where you come from, or who you play against, it's how you individually do. Damian Lillard is for real.

[DashGlobal]

Damian Lillard will be the Rookie of the Year, honestly. It's not where you come from, or who you play against, it's how you individually do. Damian Lillard is for real.

Glad I am not the only one to see this.

This dude is the truth.

Amazed GM's that didnt have a franchise PG passed this guy up!

[Mustachio]

Reggie williams was the second leading scorer in the 2010 summer league. He is now the third string sg on a 7 win team.

[DashGlobal]

Reggie williams was the second leading scorer in the 2010 summer league. He is now the third string sg on a 7 win team.

Lol at the Reggie Williams comparison

He dominate college?

He is a great scorer?

He is great shooter?

Has great size?

Athletic?

Great handle?

Great finisher?

Stats means little without the substance for sustainability....

[Mustachio]

Lol at the Reggie Williams comparison?

He dominate college?
P
He is a great scorer?

He is great shooter?

Has great size?

Athletic?

Great handle?

Great finisher?

Stats means little without the substance for sustainability....

Umm yes, all of the above. he led the NCAA in scoring TWO years in a row. Hows that for a little substance.

[DashGlobal]

Umm yes, all of the above. he led the NCAA in scoring TWO years in a row. Hows that for a little substance.

I assume you missed all the other points....

Leading the ncaa in scoring means little as many of them have holes in their game (not athletic, to small, not quick, lacking in either shooting or handle, ect)

[Mustachio]

Since you insist.

"Lol at the Reggie Williams comparison

He dominate college? two time ncaa scoring leader....check

He is a great scorer? see above, and averaged 22.6 ppg ncaa career to lillards 18.9...check

He is great shooter? shot 48.8% in college to lillards 44.25%... checkaroo

Has great size? 6'6-6'7 shooting guard. Perfect size ....check

Athletic? 37" vert to lillards 39", but benched more, equal lane agility and ran the sprint faster. So fine athlete.....checkarooski

Great handle? sg to pg comp but they had identical turnover rates and both averaged around 3.5 assit per game...seems reggie may have been a better point guard playing sg than lillard was a shooting guard playing point

Great finisher? unquantifiable but you dont lead the league in scoring twice, without being a finisher...check!

Stats means little without the substance for sustainability....[/QUOTE]


Besides SOUNDLY destroying your argument, I only mean to say that summer league stats are all but meaningless to the nba transition... especially when the guy in question is in his mid 20s playing against d-leaguers and 19 year olds. Its not to say he wont be a good player in the nba, im just saying much better players than him didnt make the transition and even college all star summer leauge performers fail sometimes.

[Ghost Kat]

playing against inferior competition.


I wonder why Kemba didn't play better if that was the case

[DashGlobal]

Besides SOUNDLY destroying your argument, I only mean to say that summer league stats are all but meaningless to the nba transition... especially when the guy in question is in his mid 20s playing against d-leaguers and 19 year olds. Its not to say he wont be a good player in the nba, im just saying much better players than him didnt make the transition and even college all star summer leauge performers fail sometimes.


No way you can destroy my argument as I never actually said anything specific in regards to Williams (never watched him play in college, as I mealy asked ?'s) and on top of that even if everything did check out, some people are just busts.

Now in regards to Williams.

DraftExpress lists his pre draft height as 6'3.25 - So if that is accurate he was UNDERSIZED coming into the draft.

Also shows a no step vert of 31' - Not athletic (certainly nothing impressive)

Turnover rates and assists don't equate to a players handle. One can easily see how good of handle a person has by watching them play.

Leading the league in scoring also does not equate to being a great finisher.

On top of all that not sure what your point is as I never said Lillard is a star because he did X in the SL.

[Black]

Dash....come on man.

[DashGlobal]

Dash....come on man.

Come on what?

Sorry if you cant see Lillard is a stud. It is what it is.

[captaincrunk]

On top of all that not sure what your point is as I never said Lillard is a star because he did X in the SL.

you called him a franchise PG

[Mustachio]

No way you can destroy my argument as I never actually said anything specific in regards to Williams (never watched him play in college, as I mealy asked ?'s) and on top of that even if everything did check out, some people are just busts.

Now in regards to Williams.

DraftExpress lists his pre draft height as 6'3.25 - So if that is accurate he was UNDERSIZED coming into the draft.

Also shows a no step vert of 31' - Not athletic (certainly nothing impressive)

Turnover rates and assists don't equate to a players handle. One can easily see how good of handle a person has by watching them play.

Leading the league in scoring also does not equate to being a great finisher.

On top of all that not sure what your point is as I never said Lillard is a star because he did X in the SL.


You lol'ed at my Williams comparison. Another small school 4 year player, scoring guard.

And you used the lowest number possible height without shoes for Williams yet say a 6'1.75" shoeless Lillard posesses "great size". So how exactly does one scoring guard at 6'2 posess great size while another scoring guard at 6'3" shoeless is undersized?

and before you reply with but but but lillard is a point guard. Really, is he? What good is a "great handle" if it doesnt translate to more assist or less turnovers? because it looks better on a highlight reel? Reggie at shooting guard had similar assist and turnover numbers, to lillard at point.
So I think its more than fair to throw out those labels and call them scoring guards.

No step vert of 31" (ignoring that no step vert for a guard maybe the most useless measurable around) lillard was only 3" better in that category, same as I conceded in his real true vert. Lillard can jump 3" higher, cool congrats. He is still smaller, weaker and slower than lol williams. If williams isnt athletic, Lillard isnt either.

And you have said numerous times that Lillard is a stud and WILL be a star. Hes only been in college and summer league so thats all you have to base on, so technically you did say Lillard will be a star because he did x at sl. In fact im 99% sure its why you started the thread.

[gamecocksmitty4]

This is an entertaining thread.

[Plowright]

All I will say is Rashard Mccants scored 30 in a half at summer league and look at him now

[DashGlobal]

And you used the lowest number possible height without shoes for Williams yet say a 6'1.75" shoeless Lillard posesses "great size". So how exactly does one scoring guard at 6'2 posess great size while another scoring guard at 6'3" shoeless is undersized?

He is essentially 6'2 which is good size for a PG. Reggie was essentially 6'4 and was undersized for a SG.


and before you reply with but but but lillard is a point guard. Really, is he? What good is a "great handle" if it doesnt translate to more assist or less turnovers? because it looks better on a highlight reel? Reggie at shooting guard had similar assist and turnover numbers, to lillard at point.
So I think its more than fair to throw out those labels and call them scoring guards.

Yea he is. He plays PG last I checked. He just happens to be a scoring PG.



No step vert of 31" (ignoring that no step vert for a guard maybe the most useless measurable around) lillard was only 3" better in that category, same as I conceded in his real true vert. Lillard can jump 3" higher, cool congrats. He is still smaller, weaker and slower than lol williams. If williams isnt athletic, Lillard isnt either.


Either way Lillard is more athletic.



And you have said numerous times that Lillard is a stud and WILL be a star. Hes only been in college and summer league so thats all you have to base on, so technically you did say Lillard will be a star because he did x at sl. In fact im 99% sure its why you started the thread.

No, I said Lillard is a stud based on his skills, physical tools, and college production.

SL doesnt mean anything to me. He only did what I knew he was gonna do. Show out.

[Chef]

I wonder why Kemba didn't play better if that was the case

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[BrotherDave]

Anyone who thinks Williams and Lillard were comparable as draft prospects is sniffing glue.

[Chef]

Anyone who thinks Williams and Lillard were comparable as draft prospects is sniffing glue.

no more than anyone who proclaims a rookie a franchise cornerstone based on his summer league performance

[DashGlobal]

no more than anyone who proclaims a rookie a franchise cornerstone based on his summer league performance


who is doing that?

[Chef]

who is doing that?

your post on the first page #8. i misinterpreted your meaning to read that he is a franchise pg instead of the actual meaning that if the team didn't have a franchise pg they should have taken him.

my bad.

i still think there is not much to be learned from this particular player and his summer league performance. we will know if he is as good as you think by the all-star break though.

[DashGlobal]

your post on the first page #8. i misinterpreted your meaning to read that he is a franchise pg instead of the actual meaning that if the team didn't have a franchise pg they should have taken him.

my bad.

i still think there is not much to be learned from this particular player and his summer league performance. we will know if he is as good as you think by the all-star break though.

You must def have misinterpreted mine or another posters post. I don't recall anyone anointing this kid due to his summer league play. I think he is a stud / franchise player, but it doesnt have anything to do with his SL stats. Has everything to do with his skills, physical tools, and college production. I just happen to point out him leading the SL scoring was no surprise. (atleast to me)

[adam187]

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hey, he led the summer league in assists right? that's a pretty good accomplishment.

[Mustachio]

hey, he led the summer league in assists right? that's a pretty good accomplishment.


Led the league in assists despite not having one in the final game, shot better, scored at will, looked quicker than ever, handle looked better than ever. Still has work to do obviously, but this was his first real NBA offseason and you really have to try hard not to find the positives in Kembas Summer League performance. I'm really not sure how he could have played better short of nightly triple doubles, ps. something nobody does not even in SL. Some people just get their preconceived notions of players and never let them die. They would rather Kemba be a bust than concede they had him pegged wrong.

[Chef]

Led the league in assists despite not having one in the final game, shot better, scored at will, looked quicker than ever, handle looked better than ever. Still has work to do obviously, but this was his first real NBA offseason and you really have to try hard not to find the positives in Kembas Summer League performance. I'm really not sure how he could have played better short of nightly triple doubles, ps. something nobody does not even in SL. Some people just get their preconceived notions of players and never let them die. They would rather Kemba be a bust than concede they had him pegged wrong.

come on mustachio. i have already said i am not commenting on kemba until after the season. i have already stated the many problems with his game as a point guard. i am reserving my final judgement until after the season. i just can't stand reading and writing the same shit over and over again and this debate has been hashed and rehased. as for summer league, he still can't execute a pass to the roll man on a pick and roll, sees most passes too late and has issues with his jump shot. and i refuse to get excited about a pg who avg'd less than 6 assists per game and led a league. not that it is an indictment of the player but of the quality of the league.

[gamecocksmitty4]

Why make the pass on a PNR when the guy is just going to brick the layup?

[SWedd523]

Why make the pass on a PNR when the guy is just going to brick the layup?
Layups are higher percentage shots than the contested jumpers

[Plowright]

http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2012/7/23/3173543/nba-summer-league-2012-rankings-rookies-damian-lillard

Ranks all the rookies at Vegas and Orlando, the Bobcat's rookies get pretty dam good reviews!

MKG: Ranked number 2 behind Lillard

2. Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, Bobcats

He played just one game, but he so thoroughly dominated it that the Bobcats really saw all they needed to see. There was no point risking further injury to his knee after he controlled the defense and the tempo of the game in a blowout win over the Kings.

Jeff Taylor:13. Jeff Taylor, Bobcats

Already an elite defender, Taylor is a perfect fit in new coach Mike Dunlap's system. He is extremely quick sliding his feet, and he has great length to contest shots. In a full-court game, Taylor will thrive. He also flashed a pretty good three-point stroke, as well as a nice shot-fake, dribble pull-up game. The shots didn't always go down, but he was making all the right plays. He reminded me a lot of Thabo Sefolosha, except with better three-point capabilities

This just adds to my excitement and anticipation to watch these two guys play this season

[dnbman]

This just adds to my excitement and anticipation to watch these two guys play this season

Definitely makes you feel good about the picks. I agree. Very excited.

[JohnnyTimmons]

Some people just get their preconceived notions of players and never let them die. They would rather Kemba be a bust than concede they had him pegged wrong.

This. Kemba is going to become a decent outside shooter and playmaker, Bismack is going to develop a couple scoring weapons, Henderson is going to develops a 3, and Gilchrist is going to make shooting a part of his game. All these things will happen to some degree.

The sooner we all start realizing players development is fluid the better. Kemba won't be what he was last year, or what he was in this summer league. Even Tyrus Thomas COULD be an allstar this year.

Basically, things change, people have break-out seasons and terrible slumps/injuries. Take what you got as you get it. Kemba was disapointing last season but with some bright spots. He looks fun and exciting this summer leage. Lets see whether he is looking down or up on the first game of the season and start from there.

Then accept what you are seeing without saying "it can't be real, I read somewhere he can't drive right, so obviously this is a mirage we are seeing."

[gamecocksmitty4]

Layups are higher percentage shots than the contested jumpers

Not when Biz, Thomas, DJW, etc. are taking those layups...

[Mustachio]

This. Kemba is going to become a decent outside shooter and playmaker, Bismack is going to develop a couple scoring weapons, Henderson is going to develops a 3, and Gilchrist is going to make shooting a part of his game. All these things will happen to some degree.

The sooner we all start realizing players development is fluid the better. Kemba won't be what he was last year, or what he was in this summer league. Even Tyrus Thomas COULD be an allstar this year.

Basically, things change, people have break-out seasons and terrible slumps/injuries. Take what you got as you get it. Kemba was disapointing last season but with some bright spots. He looks fun and exciting this summer leage. Lets see whether he is looking down or up on the first game of the season and start from there.

Then accept what you are seeing without saying "it can't be real, I read somewhere he can't drive right, so obviously this is a mirage we are seeing."


tis my only point. Talent is not fixed, it isn't static.

[BIGCatBobcat]

You guys are idiots.

[SWedd523]

Not when Biz, Thomas, DJW, etc. are taking those layups...
Kemba shot 37.9% from 10-15 feet and shot 33.9% from 16-3pt


White shot 70.2% at the rim (layups)
Bismack shot 61.9% at the rim (layups)
Tyrus shot 47.9% at the rim (layups)


So.....

[gamecocksmitty4]

Kemba shot 37.9% from 10-15 feet and shot 33.9% from 16-3pt


White shot 70.2% at the rim (layups)
Bismack shot 61.9% at the rim (layups)
Tyrus shot 47.9% at the rim (layups)


So.....

My part was mostly a joke, but since we're going there....

Those statistics don't consider how many are open dunks and layups off of non-PNR plays. It also doesn't consider how many shots are blocked, players turning the ball over, or doing something else stupid.

[SWedd523]

It also doesn't consider how many of Kemba's jumpers are off non-PNR plays. It also doesn't consider how many of his shots were blocked, how many times he turned it over, or doing something else stupid.


From a pure statistical standpoint, any player taking a shot at the rim is going to be more efficient/effective than a long two. Kemba would look like a much better player if he force fed players in the paint instead of taking contested jumpers because a contested layup is still, you guessed it, better than a contested jumper.

[gamecocksmitty4]

OK. I give up. It's hard to make an argument (especially considering it was a joke to start off with) with a guy who obviously hates Kemba.

Short rant time (not directed specifically at you, Swedd): It is kinda annoying how many people want Kemba and other Bobcats to fail just so that they can say "I told you so" or whatever kind of joy they can get from them failing. It's a bit ridiculous when guys go out of their way to find stats to say how bad someone sucks while they will blindly praise and hope for the success of other players. It's just really annoying. I'm not calling Kemba a star. I'm not saying he was even good. But geez it's ridiculous how many Bobcats "fans" want Kemba to fail. /rant

[dnbman]

OK. I give up. It's hard to make an argument (especially considering it was a joke to start off with) with a guy who obviously hates Kemba.

Short rant time (not directed specifically at you, Swedd): It is kinda annoying how many people want Kemba and other Bobcats to fail just so that they can say "I told you so" or whatever kind of joy they can get from them failing. It's a bit ridiculous when guys go out of their way to find stats to say how bad someone sucks while they will blindly praise and hope for the success of other players. It's just really annoying. I'm not calling Kemba a star. I'm not saying he was even good. But geez it's ridiculous how many Bobcats "fans" want Kemba to fail. /rant

In general, I think you have a point: there are weird allegiances to players on this board, leading to uneven applications of logic and evidence to support or destroy a given player. That being said, I think all Swedd was doing was pointing out that those bigs underneath weren't as terrible as you were making them out to be; they're much more efficient around the rim than Kemba is shooting from outside. Until he improves his shooting better, which I think will happen, we're better off with him going inside to guys more often than not. Suffice to say though, if you want to make one player out to be good by saying that other Bobcats aren't so good, you better be on the money or people are going to call you on it.

The good news for Kemba (and Kemba and Bobcat fans alike) is that he showed how he can be very effective by driving and dishing in one of the last summer league games. He had a double-double (me thinks. too lazy to look) and we got a lot of buckets from penetration and interior passing. I and a few others noticed a striking resemblance to how Tony Parker plays, cutting up an offense with speed and finding open targets when he can't get his own shot.

[Black]

I for one, think Kemba will have the best statistical season of any point guard we've ever had next year.

[SWedd523]

OK. I give up. It's hard to make an argument (especially considering it was a joke to start off with) with a guy who obviously hates Kemba.
Aren't you the guy who took exception to the "you must be related to Jenkins" statement? Seems ironic you'd say something so completely definite and clearly... wrong.

If it was a joke, it was a bad one.



Short rant time (not directed specifically at you, Swedd): It is kinda annoying how many people want Kemba and other Bobcats to fail just so that they can say "I told you so" or whatever kind of joy they can get from them failing. It's a bit ridiculous when guys go out of their way to find stats to say how bad someone sucks while they will blindly praise and hope for the success of other players. It's just really annoying. I'm not calling Kemba a star. I'm not saying he was even good. But geez it's ridiculous how many Bobcats "fans" want Kemba to fail. /rant

I most certainly don't want Kemba to fail. I pray to God (not really) that he'll be a great player because I think MJ needs all the validation and vindication he can get. We desperately need a PG who can be a top 10-15 player since that position is so vitally important and it would make me so happy to see Kemba (and MJ by proxy) prove so many people wrong. But I'm not going to go out of my way to bash any player on the team and I won't go out of my way to praise any player (not named Bismack) either. Kemba played pretty bad last year, so as of now, he has a lot to prove. That's a pretty fair and rational approach to his upcoming season.

The stats I "went out of my way" to get are easily accessible on basketball-reference and I really only looked them up because I was curious to see how well Bismack finished at the rim vs. Kemba shooting from mid range... and was more of a general, and usually true, statement that big men are far more efficient at the rim than a guard taking mid range jumpers (especially one who can't shoot very well in Kemba).


Seems like people confuse reality and reason with either blind hate/love depending on where they personally stand on a player.

[BrotherDave]

OK. I give up. It's hard to make an argument (especially considering it was a joke to start off with) with a guy who obviously hates Kemba.


Nope, you just plain got pwned. It's okay scamp, it happens to the best of us sometimes.

*tussles gamcocksmitty4's hair*

*gives him a Werther's Original*

[QC Thundercats]

In general, I think you have a point: there are weird allegiances to players on this board, leading to uneven applications of logic and evidence to support or destroy a given player.

I'm thinking its not necessarily any weird allegiances (although there are definitely some overzealous mancrushes that go with being a fan of a team), or hoping that a particular player fails, but maybe its more based on people's perspectives and how they frame their viewpoint.

Listening to sports radio, you always hear a broad spectrum of fans who either think their team is going to make some incredible, Lifetime movie run to a championship, or where they think that every player on the team is an absolute bum with no hope of ever succeeding unless the team does exactly everything that they propose to improve. It amazes me how negative some fans can be, where they pretty much criticize and completely hate every thing their team does, even though its allegedly their favorite team and they spend all their time following them. I would think that people would rather spend their free time in a more positive endeavor where they can escape the harsh realities of life and hope for the best. To each their own.

Regarding Kemba, you can tell the fans who are generally more optimistic think he still has tons of potential to be a star, whereas the more critical posters tend to focus on his flaws and how he is bound to fail unless he can achieve certain things. The thing in this case is, both sides are right because Kemba does just enough promising things (triple double, elite quickness, elusiveness, handle) that we can project him to be an unguardable PG who can lead the team for a decade, but he also has a lot of glaring weaknesses (shot selection, shooting percentage, decision making) that we can also compare him to similar players who have failed miserably as well. So Kemba conveniently sits comfortably into both sides of the argument, thus creating a never ending bickering war on a player we should all appreciate for what he is and hope he can become.

I think we all should give Kemba the benefit of the doubt. Looking objectively on the season, it wasn't a good year for a player we want as a starting point guard. But you can also say that Kemba did have a good year "considering..." Because it was such an odd, if not unprecedented situation, he did well considering... no offseason workouts, no acclimation, no practice time during the season, extreme fatigue due to condensed season, being thrust into feature role because of injuries, despite no time to learn or adjust to anything, lame duck coach who checked out early, poor supporting cast, and worst team performance in NBA history. Most average PGs would've had a bad year, let alone a rookie PG without much of a chance for preparation or reformation of his game during the year.

[JohnnyTimmons]

I'm thinking its not necessarily any weird allegiances (although there are definitely some overzealous mancrushes that go with being a fan of a team), or hoping that a particular player fails, but maybe its more based on people's perspectives and how they frame their viewpoint.

Listening to sports radio, you always hear a broad spectrum of fans who either think their team is going to make some incredible, Lifetime movie run to a championship, or where they think that every player on the team is an absolute bum with no hope of ever succeeding unless the team does exactly everything that they propose to improve. It amazes me how negative some fans can be, where they pretty much criticize and completely hate every thing their team does, even though its allegedly their favorite team and they spend all their time following them. I would think that people would rather spend their free time in a more positive endeavor where they can escape the harsh realities of life and hope for the best. To each their own.

Regarding Kemba, you can tell the fans who are generally more optimistic think he still has tons of potential to be a star, whereas the more critical posters tend to focus on his flaws and how he is bound to fail unless he can achieve certain things. The thing in this case is, both sides are right because Kemba does just enough promising things (triple double, elite quickness, elusiveness, handle) that we can project him to be an unguardable PG who can lead the team for a decade, but he also has a lot of glaring weaknesses (shot selection, shooting percentage, decision making) that we can also compare him to similar players who have failed miserably as well. So Kemba conveniently sits comfortably into both sides of the argument, thus creating a never ending bickering war on a player we should all appreciate for what he is and hope he can become.

I think we all should give Kemba the benefit of the doubt. Looking objectively on the season, it wasn't a good year for a player we want as a starting point guard. But you can also say that Kemba did have a good year "considering..." Because it was such an odd, if not unprecedented situation, he did well considering... no offseason workouts, no acclimation, no practice time during the season, extreme fatigue due to condensed season, being thrust into feature role because of injuries, despite no time to learn or adjust to anything, lame duck coach who checked out early, poor supporting cast, and worst team performance in NBA history. Most average PGs would've had a bad year, let alone a rookie PG without much of a chance for preparation or reformation of his game during the year.

I think you have it pegged here. There are two types of fans: the more realistic fans that guard their enthusiasm and expectations, and those likrnme who's heads are a bit more in the clouds and choose to always be optimistic. My type may seem unrealistic or dumb, but It is how we choose to enjoy the team. We will probably be wrong more in the long run with our optimism, but I think both sides could look at the opposite's point of view a bit harder some times.

[gamecocksmitty4]

Aren't you the guy who took exception to the "you must be related to Jenkins" statement? Seems ironic you'd say something so completely definite and clearly... wrong.

Logic = I think John Jenkins is a good shooting guard. Therefore, I must be related to John Jenkins. Brilliant!

If that's the case, what does that make you? Mrs. Wayne Ellington?

In response to the whole thing, those stats are flawed. But either way, I said from the very beginning that it was a joke. A light-hearted jab at the struggles of the Cats team last year. You took it WAAAAAAY too seriously.

[SWedd523]

Logic = I think Kemba is a bad shooter. Therefore, I must hate him and want him to fail. Brilliant!

You can call me Mrs. Wayne Ellington all you want, but I think my buddy Dash would fight for that title.

And like I already said, it was a bad joke. Not my fault

[teej]

Logic = I think John Jenkins is a good shooting guard. Therefore, I must be related to John Jenkins. Brilliant!

Logic = I think Kemba is better than Bismack so even when I'm wrong I'll make it relevant by calling it a joke.

We had a 66-game sample size of glorified streetball. NOBODY is going to look good in that. Why do you think Maggette and DJ sat out as many games as they could? Bismack looked bad most of the time, Kemba looked bad most of the time. In fact, the only person who looked good most of the time was Stephanie Ready...

[westbrook08]

This is literally one of the dumbest threads i have ever seen.No one one knows what a player is gonna be in the NBA,till he does it in the NBA.Period! Argument over.And as far as the opinions on kemba go, i don't think he was drafted to be our franchise guy or starting point guard even.He was drafted by us because we needed scoring bad and he was the best scorer available at the 9 pick that year.If he earns a bigger role than just a bench scorer on this team long term then it's on him.Even if he's starting now,it doesn't mean anything until he proves he can do it consistently.

[cltblkhscoach]

Logic = I think Kemba is better than Bismack so even when I'm wrong I'll make it relevant by calling it a joke.

We had a 66-game sample size of glorified streetball. NOBODY is going to look good in that. Why do you think Maggette and DJ sat out as many games as they could? Bismack looked bad most of the time, Kemba looked bad most of the time. In fact, the only person who looked good most of the time was Stephanie Ready...

Stephanie Ready looks good ALL of the time buddy, she can have my check anytime lol.

[Whiz Kid]

I originally thought this thread was a good thread. In the beginning it was basically only "Hey, look how the rookies are doing in the summer league, I wonder who will be the top rookies at the end of the season." Then peoples' differing opinions came and it turned for the worse.

[captaincrunk]

My part was mostly a joke, but since we're going there....

Those statistics don't consider how many are open dunks and layups off of non-PNR plays. It also doesn't consider how many shots are blocked, players turning the ball over, or doing something else stupid.

Actually it does include blocked shots. I'm pretty sure blocked shots are recorded as a miss, thereby affecting percentages.

[teej]

captaincrunk is correct. Blocks are included in all shooting numbers. That's why GW has always had a lower percentage than you'd think.

[captaincrunk]

captaincrunk is correct.

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