The Definitive Trade Ideas Thread

[SWedd523]

Have a totally awesome trade idea? Got something you want opinions on? Think you know just what the team needs? This is the place for you.

Use this thread for all manner of trade ideas, whether realistic or not.

-ESPN's Trade Machine is a great place to start to help organize/visualize your ideas http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine
-Try to be as clear as possible when describing the players, picks, or money going either way
-Add a description if you can on why you think the trade should go down

[Chef]

1. reason why it will not happen. okc and miami are not interested in helping each other out.

cats out: diop (7.6 expiring), blazers pick
cats in: joel anthony (3.8 for 3y), mike miller (6.2 avg for 3 y), raptors pick (top 3, top 2, top 1 and unprotected by year) from okc, jeremy lamb or perry jones (okc chooses)

miami out: anthony, miller and philly pick
miami in: kendrick perkins (8.5 avg for 3 years)

okc out: perkins, either jones or lamb, raptors pick
okc in: diop, philly pick (lotto protected 3 years, then it becomes 2 seconds in 2015 and 16), blazers pick

potential changes: i would add mulley back to thunder if they give us the choice of pj or lamb or switch it to the detroit pick and mulley for both players.

why for cats: take on salary but get a much better draft pick. potential two top 5 picks in either this draft or next. we need to spend the money anyway and this keeps us from playing ourselves out of the top 10 picks. we could probably arrange a favorable buyout for miller and/or anthony or trade anthony later. plus we add one (maybe two) great young assets.

why for miami: lose dead weight salary. miller is completely redundant and injury prone and at 6 mil for three years very expensive with miami already in the LT. add perkins who is one of the better interior big defenders for the playoffs, when size matters (grizz in particular). don't think they have a problem giving up philly's pick as it will either be not used or be a late first which are expensive when you are already in the LT.

why for okc: get out of perk's deal to save money later on and keep from having to amnesty him. reposition assets. they get a little less exciting as assets but the move saves a ton of money and gives added flexibility for title runs now.

[isguros]

Great deal for the Bobcats and the Heat, not so sure if the Thunder would go through with it. Perkins deserves more credit than you gave him.

[isguros]

What about this one?

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=c8pax33

Bobcats out: Gerald Henderson, DeSagana Diop
Bobcats in : Travis Outlaw, James Johnson, Tony Wroten

Sacramento out: Demarcus Cousins, Travis Outlaw, James Johnson
Sacramento in : Kendrick Perkins, Gerald Henderson, Quincy Pondexter, Perry Jones III

Oklahoma City out: Kendrick Perkins, Nick Collison, Perry Jones III
Oklahoma City in : Desagana Diop, Demarcus Cousins

Memphis out: Quincy Pondexter, Tony Wroten
Memphis in : Nick Collison

I know this trade is doomed to fail, mainly because Cousins is in it, but I like it for the Bobcats.

[Chef]

What about this one?

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=c8pax33

Bobcats out: Gerald Henderson, DeSagana Diop
Bobcats in : Travis Outlaw, James Johnson, Tony Wroten

Sacramento out: Demarcus Cousins, Travis Outlaw, James Johnson
Sacramento in : Kendrick Perkins, Gerald Wallace, Quincy Pondexter, Perry Jones III

Oklahoma City out: Kendrick Perkins, Nick Collison, Perry Jones III
Oklahoma City in : Desagana Diop, Demarcus Cousins

Memphis out: Quincy Pondexter, Tony Wroten
Memphis in : Nick Collison

I know this trade is doomed to fail, mainly because Cousins is in it, but I like it for the Bobcats.

i was so confused as to where gerald wallace came from then clicked the link and see you meant hendo.

as it is,
terrible for the kings. one because of cousins and only getting back perkins. but they are overfilled at sg so hendo is of no use to them. they would also need the toronto pick from okc to even consider it. maybe swap out tyreke to us? don't think they go for it, evans is crazy overrated for all the garbage he brings.

basically, this is horrible for us outside of the prospect of wroten. we would need at least a pick from okc or a stashed pick from memphis for facilitating this trade. okc makes out like bandits. basically a terrible contract in perkins and an enormous upgrade at center and all they have to throw in is pj3.

[Chef]

Great deal for the Bobcats and the Heat, not so sure if the Thunder would go through with it. Perkins deserves more credit than you gave him.

they are seriously considering amnestying him next year to avoid the tax

[SWedd523]

Chef, no way OKC gives up all of that just to clear some cap room.

Isguros, I don't think there's any way SAC considers that trade for Cousins

[Chef]

Chef, no way OKC gives up all of that just to clear some cap room.

Isguros, I don't think there's any way SAC considers that trade for Cousins

what if a 4th team was added.
we ship hendo to the wolves and derrick williams goes to okc. the philly pick goes to minn.

so if you are okc it is: perkins, lamb and toronto pick for diop, williams and blazers pick.

for us it is: hendo and diop and blazers pick for anthony, miller, lamb and toronto pick.

for minn: it is derrick williams for hendo and philly pick

for miami: anthony, miller and philly pick for perkins

i think that is beneficial for everyone involved.

[SWedd523]

Well I look at OKC being the main sticking point in that deal.


Lamb and the Raptors pick are the most valuable trade pieces in that deal, so OKC would have to get some serious return on that investment. The Philly and Blazers picks don't do them much good because they really aren't in stockpile picks mode and the two combined are still less valuable than the one they're sending out. If they're that desperate to cut Perkins, I imagine they'd simply rather amnesty him and keep more value.

Williams' value is so low now that he really wouldn't help the case much

[Chef]

Well I look at OKC being the main sticking point in that deal.


Lamb and the Raptors pick are the most valuable trade pieces in that deal, so OKC would have to get some serious return on that investment. The Philly and Blazers picks don't do them much good because they really aren't in stockpile picks mode and the two combined are still less valuable than the one they're sending out. If they're that desperate to cut Perkins, I imagine they'd simply rather amnesty him and keep more value.

Williams' value is so low now that he really wouldn't help the case much

last try. same as above. cut out lamb and the blazers pick. they keep 2nd most valuable asset we keep the pick. i think everyone around the league knows that williams isn't a stud but also is now way under-valued on the wolves. as a second unit guy and small ball guy he could be very good on the thunder.

essentially, they dump a ton of salary/LT without amnesty (i think this is more important to the owners than any fan acknowledges) and only give up toronto pick.

as for us, we pay about 18 mil over two years for a top 5 pick either this year, next or the year after.

[CampNightmare8]

What about this one?

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=c8pax33

Bobcats out: Gerald Henderson, DeSagana Diop
Bobcats in : Travis Outlaw, James Johnson, Tony Wroten

Sacramento out: Demarcus Cousins, Travis Outlaw, James Johnson
Sacramento in : Kendrick Perkins, Gerald Henderson, Quincy Pondexter, Perry Jones III

Oklahoma City out: Kendrick Perkins, Nick Collison, Perry Jones III
Oklahoma City in : Desagana Diop, Demarcus Cousins

Memphis out: Quincy Pondexter, Tony Wroten
Memphis in : Nick Collison

I know this trade is doomed to fail, mainly because Cousins is in it, but I like it for the Bobcats.

I like this trade a lot for us. But no way the kings will get rid of Big Cuz, dude has hella potential he's the 2nd best center in the league (minus Bynum)

[Plowright]

Why does anyone like this trade? Outlaw is an average underachiever. James Johnson turning into a journeyman and doesnt add that much. Wroten is an okay prospect but nothing special. I know this gets us rid of Diop, but why not just wait and amnesty him next year.

Also lets not forget about Perkins, OKC were happier to get rid of Harden than trade or Amnesty Perks. He is massive to that team in more ways than numbers, he has taught the team toughness and togetherness. There would be a lockeroom revolt if he was simply traded away for a headcase like Cousins.


On other news, anyone see the Kings being interested in a simple swap of Henderson for T- Robinson?

They have Thompson locked up long term and don't really have a strong defensive 2 guard- I am not sure how much the Kings like Robinson with his below average start to the season.

[isguros]

On my last try I was a bit too ambitious, sorry for that, perhaps it'll be better this time around:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=bqgetm7

Bobcats out: Reggie Williams
Bobcats in : James Johnson

Sacramento out: James Johnson, Francisco Garcia, Travis Outlaw
Sacramento in : Reggie Williams, Drew Gooden

Milwaukee out: Drew Gooden
Milwaukee in : Francisco Garcia, Travis Outlaw


P.S.: is this the thread for definitive trade ideas or the definitive thread for trade ideas?

[adam187]

can't happen for another 2 weeks but i would consider some sort of trade with the bulls with sessions:

sessions for hinrich, nazr, and our pick back?

bulls don't really have many guys i'm that interested in, maybe marquis teague. thought they had stashed some european big man, but looks like i was wrong about that. but they would be a logical landing place for sessions or even gerald henderson, maybe somebody can figure out a 3rd team to bring in.

[SWedd523]

That might be a bit much for Chicago but I think it has some possibility.

In order to get our pick back, we'd probably have to take a bad contract (Boozer).

Sessions and Tyrus for Boozer and our pick might work.
Sessions and Diop for Boozer and our pick would definitely work, but that's one hell of a price.

Sessions and Gordon for Boozer, Hinrich, and our pick would probably work too, but that's still a huge price.



I'd do Sessions and Tyrus, but the others I probably wouldn't.

[Chef]

That might be a bit much for Chicago but I think it has some possibility.

In order to get our pick back, we'd probably have to take a bad contract (Boozer).

Sessions and Tyrus for Boozer and our pick might work.
Sessions and Diop for Boozer and our pick would definitely work, but that's one hell of a price.

Sessions and Gordon for Boozer, Hinrich, and our pick would probably work too, but that's still a huge price.



I'd do Sessions and Tyrus, but the others I probably wouldn't.

are the bulls trying to hold serve until rose gets back or are they resigned to sitting rose all year (the most prudent thing and the thing i would do without question or hesitation)? if they are just playing out the season, they won't give our pick back unless we did sessions and diop for boozer and pick. then again, can't they amnesty boozer?

even though both teams gm's know the pick will probably end up being a mid to late lottery or worse by the time it is used, chicago would be foolish to let it go unless they had a good free agent plan for boozer's salary.

i would also prefer getting assets with sessions not erasing mistakes. let the pick go and pray we improve enough to make it only an "ok" pick.

[murphman]

The Bulls are holding serve until a more definite timetable for a Rose return can be set. It is loosely estimated to be in mid March right now. If the Bulls are hanging tough around .500 at the trade deadline, I think they will keep the team intact except for a minor trade involving a rarely used bench player or two. This way, if Rose comes back and gets into form by the playoffs, the Bulls will be a tough out even against Miami or NY.

[SWedd523]

i would also prefer getting assets with sessions not erasing mistakes. let the pick go and pray we improve enough to make it only an "ok" pick.
Can't really say I disagree with you, I was just throwing out a number of scenarios I see as most likely in a trade with Chicago.

Now that I look at Boozer's salary commitment, I probably spoke too freely saying I'd do the Sessions and Tyrus for Boozer and our pick deal. He would, though, go a long way into alleviating our post scoring woes. That might not be something I'd do now because it seems a bit "win now", but I think it gets more enticing next year depending on how well our draft goes.


Or we could just amnesty Tyrus and be done with it

[Plowright]

I have lost track which trade thread this should go in, so just going to put it in both. Come at me Mods!

TRADE 1:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ayaojaj

Bobcats in: Arnett Moultrie/76ers 2014 1st rounder/ Sacremento 2013 2nd rounder

Bobcats Out: Gerald Henderson


76ers in: Henderson/ James Johnson

76ers out: 2014 1st round pick/ Arnett Moultrie/ Dorrell Wright


Sacremento in: Dorrell Wright

Sacremento out: James Johnson/ 2013 2nd rounder


Maybe get a 2nd for Sacremento from somewhere... not sure if they do that but I like the framework. Got the idea after Doug Collins came out saying he wanted some bench scoring, at first I thought Gordon but his salary didn't fit for anyone so went onto Hendo.

TRADE 2:

I can't trade machine this one as Sessions is not tradable until the 15th of Dec but the details are below, little more simplistic than the one above.

I have been thinking about Tyreke for Hendo a lot to be honest. I am a massive fan of Evans, I know his game doesn't fit any system and he doesn't have a position but didn't people say similar things about Kemba? I think Dunlap would go back to Evan's rookie year and break down the tape to see his strengths, much like he did with Kemba at UCon.

I keep hearing Evans is on the block (along with Jimmer and James Johnson). Plus Sacremento doesn't really have a good defensive two guard, they have however recently given Thornton a 7.5 3 year contract though, but they are bringing him off the bench at the moment, my guess is he got a contract and got lazy- he seems to fit that character from what I have seen of him. Hendo could also play some 3 for them as at the moment none of their small forwards are anything to write home about ( Salmons, Outlaw, Honeycutt, Garcia).

But anyway, ontot the trade. Somethin like:

Hendo/Sessions

Tyreke/James Johnson

This would allow us to play with Tyreke as ball handler and let kemba play off the ball (like we do with sessions) but gain in the the height/ rebounding/ which would help us quite a bit. Tyreke would pretty much just fill the role Sessions has now but give us more on the defensive side and give us some more ft attepmts (Dunlap's own form of Viagra it appears).

James Johnson is a decent defender and gives us another PF who can do some good things, I have always been impressed with him when I have seen him play. But I am sure theres a reason he has never cracked a rotation in SAC and been on 3 teams in 4 years.

Feel free to give or take from this trade, even add another team in if you want but I like it :smilie:

Only negative is we could lose Tyreke to FA for nothing...

[RMT]

If The Kings Offered it?

Cats Get: Cousins & Robinson

Kings Get:Biz,Jeff Taylor,and Mullens + Blazers & Pistons Pick.

New Roster:
PG:Kemba/Sessons
SG:Henderson/Gordon
SF:MKG/Williams
PF:Robinson/Tyrus/Warick
C:Cousins/Haywood/Diop

To me I would do it easy it would suck to lose Biz but to get a center like Cousins would make up for it.

[isguros]

Definitely, but I doubt the kings will offer it.

[SWedd523]

I'd move this deal to the trade thread stickied at the top of the correct section

[SWedd523]

As for the trade, we're giving up a TON to get basically Cousins, because Robinson hasn't been very impressive thus far.


While Cousins is a great young player, he has an attitude problem and Bismack (worth a lottery pick), Taylor (should've been a lottery pick), and two potential lottery picks PLUS Mully is too rich a price. Only way I trade for Cousins is if we keep Bismack and let him and MKG punk Cousins into dropping his attitude issues

EDIT: The trade I'd consider for Cousins is http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=czyxegx


Cousins + Salmons

for

Hendo + Mully + Diop + Detroit 1st



Fair price IMO but they probably wouldn't consider it because a $1 talent is more valuable than 3 $.50 pieces. I'd consider switching Diop and the DET pick for Sessions and POR but then we're getting into a situation where Kemba has no backup other than Higgins

[Chef]

I have lost track which trade thread this should go in, so just going to put it in both. Come at me Mods!

TRADE 1:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ayaojaj

Bobcats in: Arnett Moultrie/76ers 2014 1st rounder/ Sacremento 2013 2nd rounder

Bobcats Out: Gerald Henderson


76ers in: Henderson/ James Johnson

76ers out: 2014 1st round pick/ Arnett Moultrie/ Dorrell Wright


Sacremento in: Dorrell Wright

Sacremento out: James Johnson/ 2013 2nd rounder


Maybe get a 2nd for Sacremento from somewhere... not sure if they do that but I like the framework. Got the idea after Doug Collins came out saying he wanted some bench scoring, at first I thought Gordon but his salary didn't fit for anyone so went onto Hendo.

TRADE 2:

I can't trade machine this one as Sessions is not tradable until the 15th of Dec but the details are below, little more simplistic than the one above.

I have been thinking about Tyreke for Hendo a lot to be honest. I am a massive fan of Evans, I know his game doesn't fit any system and he doesn't have a position but didn't people say similar things about Kemba? I think Dunlap would go back to Evan's rookie year and break down the tape to see his strengths, much like he did with Kemba at UCon.

I keep hearing Evans is on the block (along with Jimmer and James Johnson). Plus Sacremento doesn't really have a good defensive two guard, they have however recently given Thornton a 7.5 3 year contract though, but they are bringing him off the bench at the moment, my guess is he got a contract and got lazy- he seems to fit that character from what I have seen of him. Hendo could also play some 3 for them as at the moment none of their small forwards are anything to write home about ( Salmons, Outlaw, Honeycutt, Garcia).

But anyway, ontot the trade. Somethin like:

Hendo/Sessions

Tyreke/James Johnson

This would allow us to play with Tyreke as ball handler and let kemba play off the ball (like we do with sessions) but gain in the the height/ rebounding/ which would help us quite a bit. Tyreke would pretty much just fill the role Sessions has now but give us more on the defensive side and give us some more ft attepmts (Dunlap's own form of Viagra it appears).

James Johnson is a decent defender and gives us another PF who can do some good things, I have always been impressed with him when I have seen him play. But I am sure theres a reason he has never cracked a rotation in SAC and been on 3 teams in 4 years.

Feel free to give or take from this trade, even add another team in if you want but I like it :smilie:

Only negative is we could lose Tyreke to FA for nothing...

philly has already traded 2013 pick to miami. means they can't trade another until it is conveyed.

[Chef]

As for the trade, we're giving up a TON to get basically Cousins, because Robinson hasn't been very impressive thus far.


While Cousins is a great young player, he has an attitude problem and Bismack (worth a lottery pick), Taylor (should've been a lottery pick), and two potential lottery picks PLUS Mully is too rich a price. Only way I trade for Cousins is if we keep Bismack and let him and MKG punk Cousins into dropping his attitude issues

EDIT: The trade I'd consider for Cousins is http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=czyxegx


Cousins + Salmons

for

Hendo + Mully + Diop + Detroit 1st



Fair price IMO but they probably wouldn't consider it because a $1 talent is more valuable than 3 $.50 pieces. I'd consider switching Diop and the DET pick for Sessions and POR but then we're getting into a situation where Kemba has no backup other than Higgins

i don't think it is a fair price. we are making out too good. cousins in such a good talent. that said, i think the price is too high to acquire cousins. he really needs to go to a veteran team where he is either made to fall in line or shows himself out of the league.

[SWedd523]

Yeah it would hinge on their desire to rid the locker room of knuckleheads. Theoretically guys like Tyreke are first to go, but Cousins has already had a blowup with a previous coach so it's not out of the realm of possibility. He's just not a good target for us at this point unless we get a steal

[Bogg]

Sacramento isn't trading Cousins for anything less than a perennial all-star just entering his prime, and they aren't moving Thomas Robinson for a guard of similar value. If we're going to talk Sacramento, the trade to be made is a risk-reward deal for Tyreke Evans, most likely built around Henderson. Henderson will never be the type of scorer that Evans has the talent to be, but you're betting that Evans gets his head screwed on straight and won't wind up a cautionary tale. Charlotte also gives up a good amount of defense and maturity, and you'll have to pay Evans more in free agency than you would Henderson.

[RMT]

Bobcats Get:J.Valanciunas & Ed Davis

Raptors Get:Jeff Taylor,Byron Mullens,and Biz + Blazers Pick.

Raptors get 2 young studs in Biz & Taylor to rebuild around and we get our francise center in Valanciunas.

Bobcats New Lineup.
PG:Kemba/Sessons
SG:Henderson/Gordon
SF:MKG/Reggie Williams
PF: Davis/Tyrus/Adrien
C:Valanciunas/Haywood/Diop

[Plowright]

I am not really an ed davis fan, but I do like Valanciunas... Something tells me the Raps didnt draft him and then wait for a year to then just trade him away during his rookie season

[Bogg]

Raptors get 2 young studs in Biz & Taylor to rebuild around and we get our francise center in Valanciunas.


Raptors get a project and a rotation guy for a project with a higher ceiling. They hang up.

[SWedd523]

http://www.bobcatsplanet.com/vb/showthread.php?14553-The-Definitive-Trade-Ideas-Thread

[murphman]

Kevin Love & Wolves are not happy. We have known this for a year and this article sheds some light on it.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--kevin-love-remains-unsure-about-timberwolves--future-200009299.html

I say we go after Love. Kahn will want the world for him and Cho will have to offer a lot and take back some junk for him. Plus there is the risk that it could be only for two years if it doesnt work out. I think it is absolutely worth the risk. A starting five of BB, Love, MKG, Taylor & Kemba. And Love, at age 24, would be the oldest of them.

The ESPN trade machine will not work because some of the Minny players are not eligible to be traded until later this month.

Charlotte in: Love (13.7 million), Ridnour (4 million), Amdunson (1.1 million), Stiemsma (2.5 million)

Charlotte out: Diop (7.3 million), Henderson (3.1 mil.), Mullens (2.3 mil.), Williams (2.5 mil.), Warrik (4 mil.), Portlands 1st round pick, Detroits 1st round pick.

Minny gets all expirings and they control the tenders of Henderson & Mullens.

Charlotte loses almost all of their available cap next summer, especially if they opt to keep Stiemsma. Assuming Ben Gordon stays, these 11 players will have about a 61 million cap hit.

Kemba, Sessions, Ridnour
Taylor, Gordon
MKG
Love, Tyrus
BB, Haywood, Stiemsma

^ 2013-2014 roster not counting the draft.

[Plowright]

I like the thinking, but I think Minni is done rebuilding, they want to win now and see what the Love- Rubio era can bring them. Plus, I don't think were giving up enough for Love in that trade, I reckon we have to throw our own first in there for Minn to bite, thats if they were to at all

[Bogg]

Love's biggest complaint over the last two years has been that his Team USA teammates are contending for titles while he hasn't seen the playoffs yet. If he's unhappy in Minnesota, he won't even report to Charlotte

[SWedd523]

I like the thinking, but I think Minni is done rebuilding, they want to win now and see what the Love- Rubio era can bring them. Plus, I don't think were giving up enough for Love in that trade, I reckon we have to throw our own first in there for Minn to bite, thats if they were to at all

Can't trade our own pick

[Plowright]

Oh yeah forgot about that, well we could once we definitely have it back from Chicago couldn't we?

[Bogg]

Charlotte has to draft the player, but can trade his contract rights afterward, so any deal involving this years' pick has to happen over the summer.

[SWedd523]

Charlotte has to draft the player, but can trade his contract rights afterward, so any deal involving this years' pick has to happen over the summer.

They should be able to trade the pick on draft night without having to select a player

[Chef]

They should be able to trade the pick on draft night without having to select a player

i don't know. if next year the bulls get the cats pick, it would violate the can't trade your pick two years in a row rule, right?

[spectre]

i don't know. if next year the bulls get the cats pick, it would violate the can't trade your pick two years in a row rule, right?

Right, we'd have to physically select the player first.

We still have the POR pick in play. That sucker is like top 12 protected for a while right? I move that for the right deal but I wouldn't move the DET pick for anything short of a home run.

[SWedd523]

That's probably right, but at any rate they'd be able to have a deal in place for the pick (like the Bismack deal) which is essentially the same thing

[Bogg]

Right, we'd have to physically select the player first.

We still have the POR pick in play. That sucker is like top 12 protected for a while right? I move that for the right deal but I wouldn't move the DET pick for anything short of a home run.

Portland's top-12 protected through 2015 and unprotected in 2016. The Detroit pick is nice, but with Brandon Knight promising, Drummond looking like he's going to be the real deal, and Greg Monroe doing Greg Monroe things, it's probably pick ten or eleven in next years' draft more than anything else.

I have Kemba and MKG as keepers, and I have Biyombo and Taylor worth more as a project and competent bench help than they have in trade value. This years' pick needs to produce a starting big man or all-star swingman. Other than that, I'd be looking at including anyone else and either of the extra picks in the right trade for a potential 20 ppg guy.

[spectre]

Portland's top-12 protected through 2015 and unprotected in 2016. The Detroit pick is nice, but with Brandon Knight promising, Drummond looking like he's going to be the real deal, and Greg Monroe doing Greg Monroe things, it's probably pick ten or eleven in next years' draft more than anything else.

I have Kemba and MKG as keepers, and I have Biyombo and Taylor worth more as a project and competent bench help than they have in trade value. This years' pick needs to produce a starting big man or all-star swingman. Other than that, I'd be looking at including anyone else and either of the extra picks in the right trade for a potential 20 ppg guy.

I didn't realize the POR went unprotected in 2016 (the 2 sites I went to only mentioned top 12 thru 2015 leading to the assumption it then goes unprotected) but still I wouldn't imagine them staying lotto that long. Never know though.

Detroit is a hot mess (coach sucks, Dumars sucks) so I'd still wager that picks stays better...but you never know.

I'm not ready to move any of the guys still on rookie deals and I'd keep Mully if the price is right. Hendo I'm still up in the air on.

[Bogg]

You don't want to become Portland, holding onto your chips for WAY too long and handicapping yourself in the process. Charlotte's coming up on just the right time to make two or three big moves, so you need to identify a couple of core guys and put everyone else on the table. Someone good, who also makes sense, is going to come up available between now and February 2014, and the next 14 months are going to be make or break for the next iteration of the Bobcats.

Detroit's in better shape than they seem. They have three really good young guys in Monroe, Drummond, and Knight with some cap space on the near horizon. It's highly unlikely that pick winds up any higher than eighth in 2015.

[Chef]

if the stars align properly, we cash in all of our owed lottery karma and win it in 2014. draft wiggins at the same time realizing both the portland (#12) and detroit (#8) picks. trading those up for another say #4 or #5 pick.

in the meantime, we turn any combination of hendo, diop, gordon, mulley into at least 1 more pick.

i can dream, right?

[mrtarheel]

Most people want to build thru the draft but I say we have draft well and it's time to go out and get some players. There are players being talked about now that will help us and we could keep them and lock them in for long term. Tyreke Evans, Bargs, Derrick Williams, Love (but he wouldn't come)

[SWedd523]

The problem is none of Tyreke, Bargnani, or Williams would help us compete for a title

[Bogg]

The problem is none of Tyreke, Bargnani, or Williams would help us compete for a title

Tyreke could help anyone if he got his head screwed on straight, but I don't think that this Charlotte squad is the place for him to do it. What I would be interested in is a three team deal that brings Evans to Minny, Williams here, and sends Sessions and two firsts (one of Charlottes' extras and Memphis' pick via Minny) to Sacramento

[mrtarheel]

All it takes is for the player to be in right place, right team. Who would have that Ben
Wallace or Dennis Rodman help bring teams titles. Those guys alone won't bring you one but as a team no one knows what can happen. We need talent and those guys have talent some untapped talent. Dunlap is a teacher and he has guys playing this year where as last everyone competes.

[Aircat]

Alright, now here comes a conroversial one:

Thomas and Gordon for Boozer, Hamilton, our pick back and the Euro Forward stashed in Spain by the Bulls. Too much?

[Bogg]

They won't take Thomas and his contract because it kills any cap space they create by getting rid of Boozer, to say nothing of the fact that they got rid of him because they didn't want him back when he wasn't wildly overpaid. Take out Thomas and Rip's expiring deal (which gets you to the original version of this that I posted) and you might have something on your hands.

[Aircat]

Yes, you're propsal inspired the trade.. Yeah i guess u're right the inclusion of TT would kill the trade.

Anyway, was just reading who is on the trading block. Not that the Cats are willing to part with their assets to join the trade talks concerning big time players, still im curious if the Cats play a fascilitator role if a 3rd team is needed to make the numbers match.t

[Bogg]

I actually think Charlotte needs to identify two or three guys they want to build with (likely Kemba+MKG plus a coach's favorite or two) and put anything and everything else on the table this summer. They badly need two top guys, you have to hope they pick one in the draft, and the other guy is going to have to come from making a major move.

EDIT: Just to be clear, I wasn't calling you out for trying to steal the trade idea or anything, I just don't think Chicago accepts any deal with Tyrus involved.

[Plowright]

Alright, now here comes a conroversial one:

Thomas and Gordon for Boozer, Hamilton, our pick back and the Euro Forward stashed in Spain by the Bulls. Too much?

That won't be happening anytime soon... Literally the best deal ever for us.

[ohara831]

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/225035/Bobcats_Interested_In_Trading_Henderson

This is where I am so pleased we have Cho running the show. I trust him to make the right call. Either keep him, or trade him for an offer that benefits us.

[Cort]

Out: Kemba Walker, Gerald Henderson, First round pick. In: Glen Davis, 2nd Round Pick 2014, Ish Smith.

I'm not a huge fan of Kemba. I understand the toughness factor, the leadership, and the volume scoring...but he provides weak distribution of the basket-ball, his natural tendancy is ISO, and regardless of his defensive efforts, there will be a mediocre ceiling to his defensive effectiveness in contesting shots and preventing penetration. I beleive MKG has equal, if not more natural leadership than Kemba..still instilling the same hustle and toughness..he seems more like a small ego, encouraging type of leader as opposed to put the team on his back on the floor leader, which I think is crucial given the amount of young talent on the team. He also needs to get the ball more to improve to gain experience and become a more polished scorer, which I don't see really happening.

Ramon Sessions is not only an effective distributor, but a nice scoring option as well. He is not as "sexy" in terms of being a fan favorite...but his pure point guard pedigree is unquestionable, he shows balance at the position, and he provides veteran leadership.

Henderson is great mid-range, great near the rim, and is the team captain. That being said, Jeffery Taylor is an absolute steal..great beyond the arc, athletic, a great perpetrator, and another big contract to avoid, which Jordan favors. I believe our veterans in Sessions, Haywood, and Gordon can hold the fort in terms of leadership, along with MKG. It's not that I'm not a fan of Hendo, he is an above average talent...but we added value to our guard talent in drafting Taylor, why not fill a team need via trade when we have big potential in Taylor?

Glen Davis is a rock, solid center in the league. There is not enough talent (including 2013 draft pick) we can afford to lose in order to trade in a top ten center in the league. He provides a much needed upgrade in rebounding, decrease in opponent in-the-paint scoring as well as a legitamate scoring threat to counter Mullen's outside scoring tendency and Bismak's limited scoring capabilities. He is also young, which is a must since we want our core of young talent to peak at the same general time for our playoff hopes. I will also say he fits the Bobcat's brand in toughness in hustle. He is right now, the missing piece to our team.

[StitchJones]

Horrible trade. Kemba, Gerald AND a first round pick? GTFOH. Are you an Orladno plant or something?

Glen davis is at best a marginal starter. Ish Smith is garbage. I'd want Cho fired immediately if he did that trade.

[Chef]

Out: Kemba Walker, Gerald Henderson, First round pick. In: Glen Davis, 2nd Round Pick 2014, Ish Smith.

I'm not a huge fan of Kemba. I understand the toughness factor, the leadership, and the volume scoring...but he provides weak distribution of the basket-ball, his natural tendancy is ISO, and regardless of his defensive efforts, there will be a mediocre ceiling to his defensive effectiveness in contesting shots and preventing penetration. I beleive MKG has equal, if not more natural leadership than Kemba..still instilling the same hustle and toughness..he seems more like a small ego, encouraging type of leader as opposed to put the team on his back on the floor leader, which I think is crucial given the amount of young talent on the team. He also needs to get the ball more to improve to gain experience and become a more polished scorer, which I don't see really happening.

Ramon Sessions is not only an effective distributor, but a nice scoring option as well. He is not as "sexy" in terms of being a fan favorite...but his pure point guard pedigree is unquestionable, he shows balance at the position, and he provides veteran leadership.

Henderson is great mid-range, great near the rim, and is the team captain. That being said, Jeffery Taylor is an absolute steal..great beyond the arc, athletic, a great perpetrator, and another big contract to avoid, which Jordan favors. I believe our veterans in Sessions, Haywood, and Gordon can hold the fort in terms of leadership, along with MKG. It's not that I'm not a fan of Hendo, he is an above average talent...but we added value to our guard talent in drafting Taylor, why not fill a team need via trade when we have big potential in Taylor?

Glen Davis is a rock, solid center in the league. There is not enough talent (including 2013 draft pick) we can afford to lose in order to trade in a top ten center in the league. He provides a much needed upgrade in rebounding, decrease in opponent in-the-paint scoring as well as a legitamate scoring threat to counter Mullen's outside scoring tendency and Bismak's limited scoring capabilities. He is also young, which is a must since we want our core of young talent to peak at the same general time for our playoff hopes. I will also say he fits the Bobcat's brand in toughness in hustle. He is right now, the missing piece to our team.

this a joke right?

oh yeah, welcome to the planet! post away. take solace in knowing you have posted the least homerish trade ever!

[SWedd523]

I appreciate all the effort going into your first post. But that is a truly bad trade.


I do want to say welcome to BCP though, and don't be discouraged by the responses that proposal is bound to receive

[mrtarheel]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1426153-3-players-the-minnesota-timberwolves-should-pursue-before-the-trade-deadline#/articles/1426153-3-players-the-minnesota-timberwolves-should-pursue-before-the-trade-deadline/page/3
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=cmbgp94
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=c27ca8g

With these trades we come up with a more balanced lineup and same firepower with some low post help. Most of these players are under contract for a couple years and are on low salaries that in the off season could be move if need be and we still have cap space.

Kemba, Sessions
Hendo, Brooks, Bogans
MKG, Taylor, Buds
Thompson, Thomas, Williams
Haywood, Biz, Diop

[ohara831]

Welcome to BCP Cort. Appreciate the post, but that trade will never happen for Charlotte while Cho is in charge. It may have happened in the past, but no longer.

[Cort]

Thank you for the welcome.

[Plowright]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=csgdl8y

Cha In: Paul Millsap & Derrick Williams

Utah In: Mullens & Steimsma & Portland 1st rounder (from Cha)

Minni In: Henderson & Diop

thoughts? Is that legit you reckon? Was trying to make something happen by using players taken from the Yahoo article about players on the trade block

[Cort]

1) Thanks to all for the welcome

2) I did not thoroughly read the instructions. The trade machine along with the "PER" stat is very insightful

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=bpbmb2h

Walker
Mullens
Thomas

Varejao
Jeremy Pargo
S. Samules

Hollinger's Analysis: Bobcats +4 Wins . Cleveland: -7 Wins. Cho should take notes.

[Aircat]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=cxceu7o

So, it is:

CHA gets Millsap, Meeks, and Duhon
UTA gets Hendo, Sessions, and R.Williams
LAL gets Bell

[Plowright]

We would have to send LA another pick with that deal, plus they are not going to make that trade with Nash and Blake out

[mrfargo]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=csor2t3

what about this one.....

[Plowright]

I think I have posted that trade before, I like that trade.

[CampNightmare8]

1) Thanks to all for the welcome

2) I did not thoroughly read the instructions. The trade machine along with the "PER" stat is very insightful

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=bpbmb2h

Walker
Mullens
Thomas

Varejao
Jeremy Pargo
S. Samules

Hollinger's Analysis: Bobcats +4 Wins . Cleveland: -7 Wins. Cho should take notes.

Are you out of your mind?

[Plowright]

Cort is new and is still trying to get to grips to player value so lets give him a break.

[murphman]

Was trying to make something happen by using players taken from the Yahoo article about players on the trade block

Did you notice Kevin Love was listed in that article? That is the one guy I really want to get and I am willing to put both our Portland & Detroit picks plus the entire roster on the block to get him except MKG, Kemba & BB (although Sessions and Taylor will only be thrown in if absolutley necessary).

[Plowright]

Kevin Love is NOT available according to all reports apart from that article. Minni are not letting him go unless its for a star of equal measure. I would throw everything at him as well, but mini have lost for long enough and want to win now with love as the face of the franchise. Even if he's not happy with his situation.

[Plowright]

For all of those who are thinking Henderson is going to be traded (including me) I just got tweeted by Steve Kyler and he says nothing is happening

Steve Kyler ‏@stevekylerNBA (https://twitter.com/stevekylerNBA) RT @jamesplowright (https://twitter.com/jamesplowright): --> Bobcats keep saying Gerald Henderson in their plans... same with the Wolves.

Expand (https://twitter.com/stevekylerNBA/status/280826136773132288)
2m (https://twitter.com/stevekylerNBA/status/280826000596692993) https://si0.twimg.com/profile_images/1279223402/Steve_Twitter_normal.jpg Steve Kyler ‏@stevekylerNBA (https://twitter.com/stevekylerNBA)
RT @jamesplowright (https://twitter.com/jamesplowright): Derrick Williams for Gerald Henderson and Reggie Williams? ---> Not anything either team is talking about.

[Chef]

hendo will be traded. book it.

[Chef]

somebody help me come up with deals (most likely multi teamers) to get either of these two:

marshon brooks
eric bledsoe

i believe brooks could be had for portland pick and salary relief as part of a three teamer.
i think it will take both the portland and detroit pick to get bledsoe, but i am willing to give them both up for him.

i would think both brook and lac would be looking for a better than avg front court player. brook probably a pf to come off the bench behind blatche (probably also have us take back kardashian). perhaps a two teamer with diop and mullens or hendo for hump and brooks could get it done. clipps would probably like a low cost center to spot start for jordan and definitely play off the bench. don't think diop, mullens and a first and second pick for odom and bledsoe would get it done.

[spectre]

Looking at the MIL/trade boards on RGM I think the Bucks' fans are interested in Hendo & BKN is interested in Ilyasova...so some kind of 3 way with Hendo/Brooks/Ily as the base. We were interested in Hump last year so maybe toss him in for salary purposes.

Cha out: Hendo/Diop
Cha in: Hump/Brooks

MIL out Ilyasova/Gooden
MIL in: Hendo/Diop

BKN out: Brooks/Hump
BKN in: Gooden/Ilyasova

I know this can't be completed til after January 15th because of Ilyasova. A couple others are grayed out on the ESPN as well so I'm not sure if this works financially and I don't have time to do it by hand. We do have some fillers in Warrick tho so I think it can be made to work if need be.

[Chef]

Looking at the MIL/trade boards on RGM I think the Bucks' fans are interested in Hendo & BKN is interested in Ilyasova...so some kind of 3 way with Hendo/Brooks/Ily as the base. We were interested in Hump last year so maybe toss him in for salary purposes.

Cha out: Hendo/Diop
Cha in: Hump/Brooks

MIL out Ilyasova/Gooden
MIL in: Hendo/Diop

BKN out: Brooks/Hump
BKN in: Gooden/Ilyasova

I know this can't be completed til after January 15th because of Ilyasova. A couple others are grayed out on the ESPN as well so I'm not sure if this works financially and I don't have time to do it by hand. We do have some fillers in Warrick tho so I think it can be made to work if need be.

i am definitely down with that. next year move hump for more assets. love it.

[spectre]

i am definitely down with that. next year move hump for more assets. love it.

There's a thread on the trade board with a BKN fan asking what it'd take (BKN interest is a rumor thrown out by some MIL newscasters a couple days ago and they wanted to sign Ily last season as a FA) and their offer is Hump/Brooks and taking on Gooden but MIL fans aren't interested in Hump. On the MIL board they discuss taking on Hendo based off that RGM wiretap from the other day.

[/URL]Hearing BK is interested in Ilyasova (http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1220626) - RGM Trade thread.

[URL="http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=1220236"]Trade ideas of Dalembert to Philly(or Henderson CHA) (http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=1220236) - Milwaukee board.

[Roon]

I am not sure if we could get Derrick Williams for just Gerald Henderson. I think Henderson for Tyler Hansbrough and 1st rounder would be a more likely scenario. But if the Wolves did offer us Williams for Henderson, we would be foolish not to jump all over that.

[mrtarheel]

I am not sure if we could get Derrick Williams for just Gerald Henderson. I think Henderson for Tyler Hansbrough and 1st rounder would be a more likely scenario. But if the Wolves did offer us Williams for Henderson, we would be foolish not to jump all over that.
Williams isn't wanted in Minny, why would we offer someone that we have playing for him. I think he could be had for an expiring contract to give them money to bring in a free agent.

[Bogg]

Williams isn't wanted in Minny, why would we offer someone that we have playing for him. I think he could be had for an expiring contract to give them money to bring in a free agent.

Minnesota isn't trading last years' second overall pick for an expiring contract. Teams are going to have to step to the plate with a good starting two-guard (NOT Henderson) or multiple first round picks, or they shouldn't even bother picking up the phone.

[Plowright]

So it sounds like rip Hamilton is also on the block. Do you guys think he fetches more than Henderson in the trade market?

[iowabobcat]

I think the Thunder could use a better backup pg and Sessions would be a good option. I'm not sure about the exact details about the trade but we could trade Sessions and maybe another player for Maynor and possibly another player but their 1st round pick would have to be included in the trade. I wish there would be a way for us to acquire the Toronto pick that they own that's top 3 and 15-30 protected this year, but I highly doubt that we could offer something so enticing that they would give up that. If anybody has any definitive trade ideas involving this idea I would love to hear them.

[Bogg]

OKC management likes Maynor, they're not interested in moving him with a draft pick so they can pay Sessions twice as much to play 12 minutes a night. With Westbrook at point they just need someone with a low price tag who doesn't turn the ball over often. If Maynor gets an offer of any substance in free agency they probably just let him walk and give Reggie Jackson his playing time.

[adam187]

antawn jamison and earl clark (salary filler) for reggie williams.

both guys are better than simply bench material, swapping teams lets them play to their strengths.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=bs44osw

[Bogg]

antawn jamison and earl clark (salary filler) for reggie williams.

both guys are better than simply bench material, swapping teams lets them play to their strengths.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=bs44osw

Lakers hang up the phone quick on you, and Jamison doesn't want to be in Charlotte anyway. He's put up stats on bad teams his whole career, the guy's trying to piggyback his way to a ring in the next two years before retiring.

[Plowright]

Well he said he would like to play for Charlotte before he retires so I wouldn't say he doesnt want to come here... But yes the Lakers hang up on you unless we give up a pick which we shouldnt

[adam187]

you really think so? i'm working under the impression antawn is slowly becoming the odd man out.

http://www.insidesocal.com/lakers/2012/12/19/antawn-jamison-perplexed-by-reduced-role-vows-to-stay-positive/


Lakers hang up the phone quick on you, and Jamison doesn't want to be in Charlotte anyway. He's put up stats on bad teams his whole career, the guy's trying to piggyback his way to a ring in the next two years before retiring.

this was from tuesday:


“I have another couple of years in this body. If they want me, I’d have no reservations about putting on a Bobcats uniform.”

Read more here: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2012/12/18/3734388/antawn-jamison-gets-more-than.html#storylink=cpy

and i hate to be the one to break it to yah, but the lakers aren't winning a title this year.

[ohara831]

Need to find a way to get that psycho Cousins from Sac. They have suspended him indefinitely. They will part ways with him. Bobcats need to get him. It would take both the Portland and Detroit 1sts we hold, but I would love to get him here. That would give us a solid starter at 3 positions at PG, SF and C. Use our 2013 own 1st for a PF or SG, and we are in business in 2013.

[StitchJones]

I don't think Sacramento is going to trade Cousins, but if they are willing to, i would trade anything not named Kemba, MKG, or this years first rounder for him. he has some attitude issues, but part of it is his competitive nature. He reminds me of Steve Smith except he has never gotten physical with coaches or teammates. A core of Kemb, MKG, Cousins, and the 2013 first rounder would be nice. And if we could keep Biz in the process, we would really be looking nice headed into next season.

[SWedd523]

We can't trade our 2013 pick at the moment anyway so unless we trade for him on draft night, we'll be fine with that.

Kemba
2013 pick (McLemore, Goodwin, or Shabazz)
MKG
Cousins
Bismack


That's a filthy young team as long as Cousins doesn't blow his top. Easily one of the best young groups in the league

[Bogg]

you really think so? i'm working under the impression antawn is slowly becoming the odd man out.

http://www.insidesocal.com/lakers/2012/12/19/antawn-jamison-perplexed-by-reduced-role-vows-to-stay-positive/



this was from tuesday:



and i hate to be the one to break it to yah, but the lakers aren't winning a title this year.

If Jamison wanted to be in Charlotte more than he wanted to compete for titles, he would have signed the offer the Bobcats put on the table. He'd report to the team if he got traded, and I'm sure he'd play hard, but it says in the article you linked he didn't come here because he's tired of putting up stats on bad teams. Regardless, Reggie Williams doesn't offer the Lakers anything they need, and they aren't dumping Jamison just to be rid of him because he's on a minimum deal.

[ohara831]

We can't trade our 2013 pick at the moment anyway so unless we trade for him on draft night, we'll be fine with that.

Kemba
2013 pick (McLemore, Goodwin, or Shabazz)
MKG
Cousins
Bismack


That's a filthy young team as long as Cousins doesn't blow his top. Easily one of the best young groups in the league

If we did this, and ended up with Shabazz as our 2013 1st, that would have me crying tears of joy. That would indeed be a filthy young team that could make some noise in the Playoffs for several years.

[Plowright]

I run teams for a job and having someone like Cousins is a nightmare, the entire atmosphere of the team is effected. I feel for T Rob being stuck on the kings with Cousins, he was a great guy and will have to put up with Cousin's shit. Count me off the Cousins bandwagon, I just hate guys who have terrible attitude, guess I get that from being a coach.

[Keetch]

If the Bobcats were to pick up Cousins I would stop following them immediately.

[SWedd523]

I run teams for a job and having someone like Cousins is a nightmare, the entire atmosphere of the team is effected. I feel for T Rob being stuck on the kings with Cousins, he was a great guy and will have to put up with Cousin's shit. Count me off the Cousins bandwagon, I just hate guys who have terrible attitude, guess I get that from being a coach.

Fantasy teams don't count Dale

[isguros]

At least Cousins is one of those guys who do want to win.

[Roon]

So it sounds like rip Hamilton is also on the block. Do you guys think he fetches more than Henderson in the trade market?


I think Henderson could get more just because he has more years in front of him.

[Roon]

OKC management likes Maynor, they're not interested in moving him with a draft pick so they can pay Sessions twice as much to play 12 minutes a night. With Westbrook at point they just need someone with a low price tag who doesn't turn the ball over often. If Maynor gets an offer of any substance in free agency they probably just let him walk and give Reggie Jackson his playing time.

Bogg knows what he is talking about. In fact, popular belief states that the Thunder traded Harden so they could afford to keep role players like Maynor around. I don't think they would value Sessions more than Maynor.

[Roon]

Need to find a way to get that psycho Cousins from Sac. They have suspended him indefinitely. They will part ways with him. Bobcats need to get him. It would take both the Portland and Detroit 1sts we hold, but I would love to get him here. That would give us a solid starter at 3 positions at PG, SF and C. Use our 2013 own 1st for a PF or SG, and we are in business in 2013.

Really? Don't think Cousins fits in with the Rich Cho model, nor should he. The kid just doesn't get it and I am not sure he ever will.

[Plowright]

Dam, but my fantasy football team is 18,000 out of 2.5 million!

[isguros]

Dam, but my fantasy football team is 18,000 out of 2.5 million!

Football or football?

[Plowright]

The one the Americans suck at

[Chef]

I don't think Sacramento is going to trade Cousins, but if they are willing to, i would trade anything not named Kemba, MKG, or this years first rounder for him. he has some attitude issues, but part of it is his competitive nature. He reminds me of Steve Smith except he has never gotten physical with coaches or teammates. A core of Kemb, MKG, Cousins, and the 2013 first rounder would be nice. And if we could keep Biz in the process, we would really be looking nice headed into next season.

best i would do:
hendo, mullens, diop, portland and detroit picks plus the right to swap firsts this year (if we win lotto excluded) for salmons and cousins

[polarcat]

I think Cousins will be made available at some point and we should jump in the sweepstakes. I like your trade offer and think that would be a solid score for them considering what they are giving up. They get a young talented SG, a bench PF that has range and could do spot starting duties, a serious expiring, multiple mid-first round picks and a way of moving up in the first this year.

[mrtarheel]

I think we can make two trades and make us a decent team but one has to be done after the 15th of Jan. Trade Ben Gordan to Minny cause Roy is done for D Williams. The injury insurance will pay the rest of Roy's contract to they will be able to absorb the rest of the money for Ben's contract http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=bgjdrdx. The we send Mullens and Diop to Brooklyn for Hump and Brooks.
Walker, Sessions
Hendo, Brooks, Willliams (Reggie)
MKG, Taylor,
Hump, TT, Williams (Derrick)
Haywood, Biz
Sign a D League C and go with it

[JamieMcNeill]

Sam Amico is tweeting that we made an offer that would be very hard for the Kings to turn down for Demarcus Cousins.

https://twitter.com/SamAmicoFSO/status/285589119151771648

[polarcat]

I wonder what it would take to land JJ Hickson? 24 years old, great in the paint PF on the boards and scoring. Wish we would've landed him off waivers, but now we would have to trade for him from Portland. With his increased productivity, I wonder what PDX would ask for. Better question is would we be satisfied with him as our "ideal" PF of the future, or do we have our expectations higher for a true dominating stud? I don't see there being a true young dominating PF available via trade/FA.

[isguros]

I liked Hickson.Too bad he's playing this good, otherwise we would be able to acquire him. Now I'm not so sure we could land him due to his performances and other suiters. The only thing we can do now is go after Thabeet.

[Aircat]

To GSW

T Thomas and B Gordon

To CHA

R Jefferson and A Biedrins

We would get slightly more rebounding, save 1 year of TT's contract, and a veteran mentor for MKG....

GSW would get points from Gordon and taking a chance on TT....

No picks involved....

[gamecocksmitty4]

I wouldn't be surprised to see us facilitate a trade between OKC and Boston that sends Sessions and KG to OKC.

[Bogg]

OKC doesn't need Sessions, but KG would be a decent fit there. Pierce, if he's traded, could be the one who lands in OKC, however.

[Chef]

OKC doesn't need Sessions, but KG would be a decent fit there. Pierce, if he's traded, could be the one who lands in OKC, however.

i disagree. kg would be the final piece they do need. defensive coordinator. paint anchor and very capable offensive player. it would be crucial for the spurs, grizz and clips in the playoffs and would all but seal a victory over the heat. but, they won't be able to get him unless they can find a third team to accept perkins.

[Bogg]

i disagree. kg would be the final piece they do need. defensive coordinator. paint anchor and very capable offensive player. it would be crucial for the spurs, grizz and clips in the playoffs and would all but seal a victory over the heat. but, they won't be able to get him unless they can find a third team to accept perkins.

A Pierce/Terry for Martin/Maynor(out of the rotation)/Lamb/one more contract trade works financially, and gives OKC the option of replying to Miami's smallball lineup with Westbrook-Terry/Sefolosha-Pierce-Durant-Ibaka, which matches up better. Either way, that Toronto lottery pick and Jeremy Lamb make OKC an interesting trade partner for Boston if they blow things up.

[iowabobcat]

OKC doesn't need Sessions, but KG would be a decent fit there. Pierce, if he's traded, could be the one who lands in OKC, however.

I actually think OKC would benefit a lot especially late in games if they had Sessions. Westbrook is just to self centered running the point late in games and doesn't facilitate the ball to teammates enough. Sessions could play the point late in games and facilitate the ball more and they could move Westbrook over to SG. Also the Thunder could use a back up PG that can give them some good minutes because right now Maynor isn't playing good.

[Chef]

raps and grizz looking for a third team:

we step in
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ade7njl

[Bogg]

I actually think OKC would benefit a lot especially late in games if they had Sessions. Westbrook is just to self centered running the point late in games and doesn't facilitate the ball to teammates enough. Sessions could play the point late in games and facilitate the ball more and they could move Westbrook over to SG. Also the Thunder could use a back up PG that can give them some good minutes because right now Maynor isn't playing good.

You're not taking the ball away from Westbrook to give it to Sessions in the Finals. Ramon's a decent journeyman, but nothing more(we saw that last year in LA). I'd be looking to spin him off to Utah for another draft pick or Boston in some sort of three-team trade (no reason to take back Brandon Bass' contract, who they'll be looking to unload).

[gamecocksmitty4]

Sessions is utter garbage. I hope we can trade him while his value is relatively high.

[jmanvelocity]

Sessions is utter garbage. I hope we can trade him while his value is relatively high.

Sessions is garbage? the only competent player at consisitently scoring at a nice clip. godon is garbage..

[gamecocksmitty4]

He can't even make a fastbreak layup to save his life.

[Jerp]

Alex Kennedy ‏@AlexKennedyNBA
I was told that three teams - the Phoenix Suns, Houston Rockets and Charlotte Bobcats - had exploratory talks with the Atlanta Hawks.
doesn't mean much, but always encouraging to hear they're exploring options

[SWedd523]

If were having talks with them about anybody, it better be Al Horford.

[Chef]

If were having talks with them about anybody, it better be Al Horford.

unless we are willing to send mkg to them to replace smith, they aren't talking to us at all. we have nothing they want for a player like horford.

[polarcat]

unless we are willing to send mkg to them to replace smith, they aren't talking to us at all. we have nothing they want for a player like horford.


I agree with this sentiment with it starting with either MKG or Kemba, but I almost wonder if they would be looking at stacking draft picks in order to lure D Howard from LA. Maybe multiple draft picks and Hendo/Taylor for Horford?

[Chef]

I agree with this sentiment with it starting with either MKG or Kemba, but I almost wonder if they would be looking at stacking draft picks in order to lure D Howard from LA. Maybe multiple draft picks and Hendo/Taylor for Horford?

if that is the case they would call okc and say horford for perry jones, lamb and toronto and okc picks. we still don't have the assets (that we want to give up).

[SWedd523]

if that is the case they would call okc and say horford for perry jones, lamb and toronto and okc picks. we still don't have the assets (that we want to give up).

Sure they could, but OKC would hang up the phone

[Plowright]

Henderson and Portland's first rounder for Jeremy Lamb?

Pretty sure I will get jumped on for this, not even sure if I like it to be honest...

[Chef]

Sure they could, but OKC would hang up the phone

really, you think? i would think they would jump at that. a lineup where they could go with two of the three of horford, ibaka and perk would absolutely get them a championship.

[isguros]

Something tells me we're talking to Atlanta about Morrow.

[RMT]

Cats Get:Gasol & Steve Blake.

Lakers Get: Ramon Sessons,Ben Gordon,and Hakim Warrick.

We Get a Big we need badly and Lakers get much needed bench help for their playoff run.

2.off season we Draft Shabazz & Sign Jefferson In FA.

2013 Roster:
PG:Kemba/Blake
SG:Shabazz/Taylor
SF:MKG/Adrien
PF:Gasol/Mullens
C:Jefferson/Biz/Haywood

What u Think?

[Proudiddy]

Could you please not lead me to believe we were on the verge of a deal with your misleading thread title? Thanks.

[RMT]

Could you please not lead me to believe we were on the verge of a deal with your misleading thread title? Thanks.

sorry I fix it

[Roon]

Not to say I believe this, but there is a lot of smoke surrounding Gasol to the Bobcats.

[RMT]

Not to say I believe this, but there is a lot of smoke surrounding Gasol to the Bobcats.

its not offical or anything something I just cooked up by messing with the trade machine.

[SWedd523]

let's put trade ideas in the stickied trade ideas thread in the trade forum

[jmanvelocity]

He can't even make a fastbreak layup to save his life.

u gotta be kiddiing me man...

[mrtarheel]

I say we make a run at Gortat. He still has another year on his contract at 7 mil and is a decent big that boards and scores. After Gortat make a play for Humphries and Brooks from the Nets. Don't know what we have that they would want that could net us those players but with the right pieces left we would have a decent team.

[Bogg]

Gortat could be had if Cho's willing to put some combination of Diop's expiring, a pick or two, and one or two young guys on the table. He's not a "turn the franchise" around kind of guy, but he's a serviceable center on a friendly contract. I don't hate that pickup. I don't think that the team has the right assets to make a trade for Humphries and Brooks, though.

[gamecocksmitty4]

u gotta be kiddiing me man...

Not kidding at all. He has at least one a game. Just missed another one as I'm typing.

[spectre]

Andrea Bargnani for Carlos Boozer trade rumour: Why would Raptors want Bulls forward? Smith (http://www.thestar.com/sports/raptors/2013/02/08/andrea_bargnani_for_carlos_boozer_trade_rumour_why _would_raptors_want_bulls_forward_smith.html)

This is a "bump" for our earlier discussions about swapping a guy like Gordon for Boozer + our pick back. The thought was that they'd move Hamilton before Booz but it looks like Jerry wants to dump the long term bucks more.

We could do Gordon/Williams for Booz/Hamilton and that loses them 4,987,500 (they're 4,638,230 over the LT limit) and a total of 24 million over 3 years.

In the Bargs trade they'd lose 14.1 million over the 3 years.

For that kind of salary I don't think our pick back would be enough. Add in their pick? We could also do:

Booz/Hamilton/Butler/CHA 1st/CHI 1st for Gordon/Warrick. That still gets them under the LT limit (-4,665,920) and also gives them basically 24 million in savings.

Throwing in Butler might be overkill, but regardless it appears that IF we want our pick back badly enough we could do a Booz trade and not give up anything of real value other than the capspace.

[iowabobcat]

Legion Sports is reporting that the 76ers are exploring the market for Evan Turner. I would love if we were able to trade for him. He's averaging 13.7 PPG, 6.6 RPG, 4.5 APG. With the addition of Turner we would be able to focusing our 1st pick in the draft on a big like Noel or Bennett then our 2nd first on a guard or even another big.

[BrotherDave]

Legion Sports is reporting that the 76ers are exploring the market for Evan Turner. I would love if we were able to trade for him. He's averaging 13.7 PPG, 6.6 RPG, 4.5 APG. With the addition of Turner we would be able to focusing our 1st pick in the draft on a big like Noel or Bennett then our 2nd first on a guard or even another big.
Interesting. Really good rebounder for his position but a streaky shooter. Philly could use a SG now that J-Rich is out, maybe Hendo and Reggie for Turner?

Kemba
Turner
MKG
Mullens
Biyombo = solid defense and rebounding but offensively inept. I'd still do it.

We get to see him firsthand tonight against the Bobcats.

[Roon]

Susan Bible covers the OKC Thunder and is also a columnist on Hoopsworld. She said in a chat today that the Thunder are thinking about packaging Eric Maynor, Jeremy Lamb, and Perry Jones III for a veteran back-up point guard so the Thunder can prepare for a championship run. Enter the Bobcats! Sessions would be a great pickup for the Thunder and would definitely bolster their bench. Now, I'm not sure if we could get all three players for Sessions, but I think this would be a lights-out deal for our squad and would give us instant, young depth.

[iowabobcat]

Susan Bible covers the OKC Thunder and is also a columnist on Hoopsworld. She said in a chat today that the Thunder are thinking about packaging Eric Maynor, Jeremy Lamb, and Perry Jones III for a veteran back-up point guard so the Thunder can prepare for a championship run. Enter the Bobcats! Sessions would be a great pickup for the Thunder and would definitely bolster their bench. Now, I'm not sure if we could get all three players for Sessions, but I think this would be a lights-out deal for our squad and would give us instant, young depth.

I would do that trade in a heartbeat! Numbers would work and would give the Thunder a projected 3 more wins while giving us 3 more losses. http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine

[spectre]

I've only really seen him play against us but he looked fantastic. Obviously that wasn't the norm else they wouldn't have him on the block. I'd move anyone besides our core players for him. I'd rather keep Mully but since he does play Hendo's position I'd be amenable to move him for Turner. What'll be tricky is the picks they'd want included.

[SWedd523]

Do the same thing we do with any other asset. Keep him unless we get a great deal.

Something where we get Lamb and Maynor/Jones in return qualifies as a great deal. I doubt OKC would do it though.

[ziggy]

Susan Bible covers the OKC Thunder and is also a columnist on Hoopsworld. She said in a chat today that the Thunder are thinking about packaging Eric Maynor, Jeremy Lamb, and Perry Jones III for a veteran back-up point guard so the Thunder can prepare for a championship run. Enter the Bobcats! Sessions would be a great pickup for the Thunder and would definitely bolster their bench. Now, I'm not sure if we could get all three players for Sessions, but I think this would be a lights-out deal for our squad and would give us instant, young depth.


For God's sake, please don't tease my like this. The Thunder couldn't possibly give us a haul like that for Sessions could they?

[gamecocksmitty4]

For God's sake, please don't tease my like this. The Thunder couldn't possibly give us a haul like that for Sessions could they?

Heck, I'd do it straight up for Lamb.

[polarcat]

I would love that haul from OKC, but something would have to be going back with Sessions. No way OKC gives up essentially 2 first rounders from '12 draft and Maynor. Granted, Sessions is one of the most talented back-up veteran PGs in the league that has been in playoff situations before, so I could see the Thunder interested in Ramon.

[Bogg]

I would love that haul from OKC, but something would have to be going back with Sessions. No way OKC gives up essentially 2 first rounders from '12 draft and Maynor. Granted, Sessions is one of the most talented back-up veteran PGs in the league that has been in playoff situations before, so I could see the Thunder interested in Ramon.

Sessions has been to the playoffs exactly once, where he spent the post-season essentially melting down and getting abused by Ty Lawson and Russel Westbrook. OKC already has Westbrook, they don't want another small guard who needs the ball to be effective. They may be interested in Henderson and Jeff Taylor, however.

If you want to deal Sessions you essentially have to underbid Utah what Minnesota wants for Ridnour.

[Roon]

For God's sake, please don't tease my like this. The Thunder couldn't possibly give us a haul like that for Sessions could they?

Bible said JJ Barea's name referring to the Lamb/Jones/Maynor package. IMO, Sessions is a better option that Barea and has the versatility to play both guard positions. Lamb hasn't gotten much time this year and PJ3 seems stuck at the end of the rotation. Maynor is seems to no longer be a factor in OKC due to the emergence of Reggie Jackson, so if they could turn those three into Ramon Sessions (who they would also have under contract for next year) I don't think they would hesitate doing the deal if they feel that Sessions could be that push to get them their championship. Let's not forget they will have two 1st rounders in this draft (including one that could be a top 10 pick) and two picks in next year's draft. They will have plenty of opportunity to replenish and possibly even upgrade their roster with those picks. The trade might actually make more sense than people think as the Thunder would be taking three non-contributors and turning it into someone who would be a major part of their rotation.

[Plowright]

This is a best writer, if you ask Geoff Petrie you would get a different answer.

[SWedd523]

Why would it matter what a Kings executive has to say about a deal between us and the Thunder?

[Ezell]

Not sure what it would take from us but Im pretty sure we could get Timofey Mozgov.
...Idk what yalls opinion of him is but a 7'1 fluid, coordinated athletic center at a low cost is exactly what this team needs IMO And he seems available pretty cheap. Also Dunlap's freindship with the nuggets may help pull it off?:g:

[Plowright]

Yeah, can't explain that one... Just thought he was the Thunder GM for some weird reason, my bad.

[Bogg]

Presti and Petrie sound very similar. I assume that's the cause of the mix-up.

[isguros]

If you'd asked me, I would say there is no way the Thunder is interested in Sessions. Maynor is a good guard, but the main reason for the Thunder to keep him is that he brings something else to the table than Westbrook does. Westbrook, like so many point guards in the league, is a score-first point guard; he is quick, he can drive through the lane, he has an O.K. shot and doesn't pass the ball as much as he should do (don't let his assist numbers fool you). does this remind you of someone? Maynor fits Oklahoma perfectly; he has the tendency to pass the ball more than Westbrook does, but that's about it.. And to everyone who thinks Ramon's got the edge because of his playoff "experience": Maynor played 11 more playoff games. To even think that Oklahoma would trade Maynor along with two of this years first round draft picks (Lamb and Jones) for just Sessions is crazy talk.

[SWedd523]

Well lets not confuse ourselves here. Just because Maynor plays for OKC doesn't mean he's good.

He has a career fg% below 40 and a dismal 31.3 this year. He's also not a particularly good shooter from range and plays around 10 minutes a game so it's not like his tendency to pass is going to manifest itself into any real tangible value to the team because he's simply not good enough to be out there long enough to display it.

Sessions is a clearly better PG so that upgrade would be a no brainier. The question comes in with adding guys like Lamb and Jones, which certainly does skew the value back in our favor.

If we offered up something like Sessions and one of the picks we own for Maynor and Lamb, they might consider it. They don't necessarily value developing youth like we do and they still own Toronto's pick (top 3 protected) that could be used on a guy like Marcus Smart.

[Bogg]

If they trade Lamb it's going to be for a guy who excels playing off the ball, like a Jason Terry or Avery Bradley, because Westbrook is going to play 40 minutes a night in the playoff and he's always going to be OKC's best guard. They aren't taking the ball out of his hands to give it to Sessions.

[isguros]

Just for the f*ck of it: Byron Mullens shot a career average of 0.340 from the floor (16 of 47) when we acquired him, so that don't have to mean anything. What's more interesting is that Maynor shoots 27% of his shots from 3-point range (230 out of 855), that's a lot compared to Sessions' 8% (256 out of 3,366). That's not only a reason for Maynor's below average shooting percentage, but it also shows that he is confident in his 3-point shot (a career average of 0.348 isn't bad). Also; Maynor gets 10,6 mpg this season, on a team that will contend for the title, as Russell Westbrook's backup. If that doesn't say he's good, I don't know what will.

[Jerp]

Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine
All-Star Weekend trade rumble: Charlotte's growing determination to move Ben Gordon has presented Toronto w/another Andrea Bargnani suitor


Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine
Sense I get, though, is that Toronto ain't gonna bite on Bargs-for-Gordon deal. Raps have Terrence Ross & Alan Anderson playing well there


Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine
Gordon easier to take back $-wise than Boozer w/one less year on deal, but Raps unlikely to just trade ex-No. 1 overall pick for sake of it

not really a fan of this, Bargs is basically the euro Mullens, so unless they throw in a young guy like Terrence Ross, maybe.

[Bogg]

Just for the f*ck of it: Byron Mullens shot a career average of 0.340 from the floor (16 of 47) when we acquired him, so that don't have to mean anything. What's more interesting is that Maynor shoots 27% of his shots from 3-point range (230 out of 855), that's a lot compared to Sessions' 8% (256 out of 3,366). That's not only a reason for Maynor's below average shooting percentage, but it also shows that he is confident in his 3-point shot (a career average of 0.348 isn't bad). Also; Maynor gets 10,6 mpg this season, on a team that will contend for the title, as Russell Westbrook's backup. If that doesn't say he's good, I don't know what will.


Eric Maynor was a very good backup until he blew out his knee last year. This season he's lost his spot in the rotation to Reggie Jackson and won't be brought back next year, as Jackson will still be on his rookie deal. Maynor's an expiring contract who can be easily had in free agency this summer.


not really a fan of this, Bargs is basically the euro Mullens, so unless they throw in a young guy like Terrence Ross, maybe.

Bargnani is a much better scorer than Mullens is, although he doesn't rebound as well. If Byron had put together a string of seasons like the last few years Bargs has we'd be hearing things like "franchise forward" thrown around on this board. He'd help the team just by evening things out in the rotation and opening lanes up for MKG and the guards. Not a franchise-changer, but if you can get him on the cheap he'd help some.

[Twan's Kin]

It looks like the Clippers and Utah are discussing an Eric Bledsoe for Paul Millsap swap. It seems to me like Sessions would be able to help Utah more than Bledsoe, even though Bledsoe is a much younger player.

Would y'all send Sessions out in exchange for Millsap?

[Roon]

If I were the Jazz I would rather have Bledsoe.

[SWedd523]

trade ideas --> trade idea thread

[Mustachio]

Bargnani is a much better scorer than Mullens is, although he doesn't rebound as well. If Byron had put together a string of seasons like the last few years Bargs has we'd be hearing things like "franchise forward" thrown around on this board. He'd help the team just by evening things out in the rotation and opening lanes up for MKG and the guards. Not a franchise-changer, but if you can get him on the cheap he'd help some.

?

He is averaging 3 more points a game than Mully. He is rebounding at literally half the amount that Mully is rebounding. he is older and he gets paid 11 million per year. Charlotte Mully and First Two years Bargs numbers are very very similiar. Mullens can do anything Bargs would do for us and more and make WAY WAY WAY WAY less money doing it. And his potential is on an upward curve where as Bargs if anything is declining. Not a franchise changer, and getting him on the cheap is literally impossible when he makes 10.75 mil per over the next 3 years.


Bargnani better not get anywhere near this team. Its the worst trade imaginable in my opinion.

[walkerisai]

The bucks have been linked to trading for JJ Redick for Mbah a Moute and a first round pick. They say the Bucks would like to find a home for Monta Ellis. There would be a second scoring option. Could trade Henderson and expiring contact Diop for Ellis! What is your thoughts on that? Then of course we would have to move Gordon!

[Felton for Prez]

pass. to me, he's basically an older kemba with a bad attitude.

[BlockParty]

pass. to me, he's basically an older kemba with a bad attitude.

This...plus much more expensive...the OKC-like rebuild project is not about bringing in fat contracts.

I'm fine with bringing in a big contract that is still a good investment, but Monta's is not one of them.

[Chef]

The bucks have been linked to trading for JJ Redick for Mbah a Moute and a first round pick. They say the Bucks would like to find a home for Monta Ellis. There would be a second scoring option. Could trade Henderson and expiring contact Diop for Ellis! What is your thoughts on that? Then of course we would have to move Gordon!

the rumors are for josh smith. don't think the glorious package of diop and hendo would tickle their fancy.

[walkerisai]

the rumors are for josh smith. don't think the glorious package of diop and hendo would tickle their fancy.

http://nba.si.com/2013/02/19/jj-redick-monta-ellis-nba-trade-rumors-milwaukee-bucks-orlando-magic/

[Bogg]

No thank you. He's not the guy that people wanted him to turn into when he was 21, he's an undersized shooting guard who doesn't score at a franchise level, defend, or make anyone better. If you need a game-changing scorer off the bench then he's your guy, but if you're rebuilding from scratch there's no reason to let him soak up all the possessions.

[Roon]

Nope. He's opting out of his last year and will seek a lot of money this offseason. Would rather draft a two and spend money on a big. Pass, pass, pass.

[Fred Williamson]

no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no

[ohara831]

no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no

I'm sorry, I think you were too vague. Can you please clarify your answer? Thanks!

[Plowright]

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

*cough cough*

nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[Scrapper1]

A bad attitude can harm a team as much as anything.. plus, he will opt out of his contract. Cho should just sit on them pics as he planned and build thru the draft. Mclemore this draft, Wiggins next draft...drooling at the possibilities

[SWedd523]

http://images.wikia.com/glee/images/6/68/Umno.gif


merging into the trade ideas thread

[dnbman]

http://scm-l3.technorati.com/12/12/09/73733/negative-reviews.jpg?t=20121209105942

[BrotherDave]

I'm fine with getting Monta Ellis for garbage expiring players. Monta Ellis have it all.

[spectre]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine/?tradeId=aj53p2r

Henderson/Sessions for Bradley/Bass/BOS 1st.

Don't like Bass' contract at all but I really like Bradley.

[Bogg]

?

He is averaging 3 more points a game than Mully. He is rebounding at literally half the amount that Mully is rebounding. he is older and he gets paid 11 million per year. Charlotte Mully and First Two years Bargs numbers are very very similiar. Mullens can do anything Bargs would do for us and more and make WAY WAY WAY WAY less money doing it. And his potential is on an upward curve where as Bargs if anything is declining. Not a franchise changer, and getting him on the cheap is literally impossible when he makes 10.75 mil per over the next 3 years.


Bargnani better not get anywhere near this team. Its the worst trade imaginable in my opinion.

Bargnani just came off a three-year run of averaging close to 20 a game and is much better at creating his own shot off the dribble than Mullens is. He's arguably a better scorer than Kemba, if you go off of numbers alone. If you can get Bargs on the cheap, with something built around Gordon's contract, he'd go a long way to balancing the teams' scoring issues and filling out the frontcourt in the short-term.

[ohara831]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine/?tradeId=aj53p2r

Henderson/Sessions for Bradley/Bass/BOS 1st.

Don't like Bass' contract at all but I really like Bradley.

I can see this being something Cho does.

[Mustachio]

Bargnani just came off a three-year run of averaging close to 20 a game and is much better at creating his own shot off the dribble than Mullens is. He's arguably a better scorer than Kemba, if you go off of numbers alone. If you can get Bargs on the cheap, with something built around Gordon's contract, he'd go a long way to balancing the teams' scoring issues and filling out the frontcourt in the short-term.


Again.... you cant get him on the cheap. He's 10 million or more a year for the next 3 years. For a 7 footer who doesnt rebound, and who as of late isn't scoring all that much either.

Its a lateral cap killing move. We don't get any better, sure we might score 3 points a game more but we lose rebounding and any stitch of interior defense we have, and we burn up a shit ton of cap space.

Mullens can do anything Bargnani can do, and do it cheaper. The only thing we accomplish by taking on Bargs is the 10th spot, out side of the playoffs and with a shitty pick and no cap space.

[Bogg]

Again.... you cant get him on the cheap. He's 10 million or more a year for the next 3 years. For a 7 footer who doesnt rebound, and who as of late isn't scoring all that much either.

On the cheap talentwise. Because it's a trade. Talking about Ben Gordon straight up, or throwing in Reggie Williams as well and eating the last year of Linas Kleiza's contract.


Its a lateral cap killing move. We don't get any better, sure we might score 3 points a game more but we lose rebounding and any stitch of interior defense we have, and we burn up a shit ton of cap space.

Bargnani makes less than Ben Gordon this year and next - it doesn't really affect the cap, and Ben isn't doing much in the way of shotblocking or hitting the boards.


Mullens can do anything Bargnani can do, and do it cheaper. The only thing we accomplish by taking on Bargs is the 10th spot, out side of the playoffs and with a shitty pick and no cap space.

"He's worse than the guys already on the team, and his presence will singlehandedly vault us from the worst team in the league to a borderline playoff squad!".......Really?

I hate to be the one to break it to you, but nobody's taking Charlotte from worst to a tie with Philly over the next two months. I mean, you can't argue that he's no better than who's on the roster and then say that he's going to take a fifteen-win team and make them a thirty-five-win team. To say nothing of the fact that it doesn't affect cap space, because the contracts have to match and Gordon has an additional year left on his deal.

[mrtarheel]

I can see sending Sessions to Boston maybe trying to add TT with him for Courtney Lee and Bass. This sheds them some long term money as both are signed up for 4 yrs. Then we flip Hendo and Williams for Maynor, Lamb, and PJIII. Brooklyn will come around and take Gordon for Hump and we will have change the outlook of the team will remaining competitive.

[Bogg]

I can see sending Sessions to Boston maybe trying to add TT with him for Courtney Lee and Bass. This sheds them some long term money as both are signed up for 4 yrs. Then we flip Hendo and Williams for Maynor, Lamb, and PJIII. Brooklyn will come around and take Gordon for Hump and we will have change the outlook of the team will remaining competitive.

Boston isn't looking to shed money. They're looking to upgrade their bench with a fourth guard and a rotation big. IF they were looking to shed money, they hang up on that offer.

[Aircat]

So a new trade proposal;

Knicks get Gordon and Thomas
Cats get Stoudamire and NY 2013 first rounder (spot 24).

Do u think thats reasonable? Cats would take on about 12 million. With the 24 spot one could draft a big like Withey - best case scenario - or a Guard someone like Hardaway Jr., Crabbe, or Schroeder...

Is this a feasible trade for both teams?

i know STAT got broke knees, but his leadership could support the culture change of the franchise...

[Aircat]

So a new trade proposal;

Knicks get Gordon and Thomas
Cats get Stoudamire and NY 2013 first rounder (spot 24).

Do u think thats reasonable? Cats would take on about 12 million. With the 24 spot one could draft a big like Withey - best case scenario - or a Guard someone like Hardaway Jr., Crabbe, or Schroeder...

Is this a feasible trade for both teams?

i know STAT got broke knees, but his leadership could support the culture change of the franchise...

[spectre]

Unlike the DET pick I don't think 24th is worth the extra salary. I also think Stoudamire would be a detriment to the locker room.

[Bogg]

It's a shame that Golden State doesn't have any attractive picks in the next two or three drafts or a good prospect they'd be willing to give up, because they're in for a major cap crunch with Jack and Landry both possibly up for new contracts this summer. Would not mind picking up a good young player just for eating the last year of Biedrins' contract, but there's not way they give up Thompson or Barnes, and Green or Ezeli just don't do it for me.

[Aircat]

I would also trade Gordon for Bidriens, but i dont see GS parting ways with Rush to make the money work.

Still, from my point of view Cho should resign Hendo and draft McLemore. Thus Gordon would be the odd SG out. But what team would take on his 13,2 for next year? Maybe a sign-and-trade with the Jazz for Millsap (55 mio for 4 years?) or with POR for Hickson (40 mio for 3 years?).

The straight up deal Gordon for Humphries, i dont see happening anymore since they r looking to sign and trade for J-Smoove... I guess ATL would prefer Hump since they just moved on from their own overprized SG.

[Bogg]

If the Warriors are intent on keeping the band together this summer, I'd bet that Rush could be had for next to nothing, with Lacob just happy to get the $4 million commitment off the books and put toward paying Landry/Jack. I just don't see a reason for the already perimeter-heavy Bobcats to move for a swingman coming off a blown-out knee. Portland and Utah, or any team really, isn't going to be interested in Ben Gordon unless Charlotte is taking back a worse contract.

[Chef]

So a new trade proposal;

Knicks get Gordon and Thomas
Cats get Stoudamire and NY 2013 first rounder (spot 24).

Do u think thats reasonable? Cats would take on about 12 million. With the 24 spot one could draft a big like Withey - best case scenario - or a Guard someone like Hardaway Jr., Crabbe, or Schroeder...

Is this a feasible trade for both teams?

i know STAT got broke knees, but his leadership could support the culture change of the franchise...

no owner in the league (especially mj) is taking on amare's uninsured contract with at least $60 mil remaining. especially in your scenario where we could just amnesty tyrus. short of giving away a top 5 pick in next years draft with amare, they won't find a taker.

[Aircat]

I agree with you guys, its just that i try to find a way to shed the contracts of TT and BG in order to improve the team somewhat but not that much to endanger a top 4 pick next season.

Its a tough task, Cho really deserves his paycheck :-)

Im just thinking about the position of Kemba, Biz and MKG aka The Future of this franchise. They are sharing a locker room with a guy like TT who apparently doesnt put in the same effort as the core 3, soon to be core four... Nor do i believe MJ will amnesty him next season.

so, lets try to find a taker for TT...

at this point i wouldnt mind trading TT for Harrington or Gooden. These 2 seem to quality veteran locker room guys. Though i dont know what Gooden did in MIL to get DNPed for that many games.

[Bogg]

Nobody's giving anything up for Thomas unless Charlotte's taking back an even worse contract. If there was ever a guy to just amnesty and be done with, it's him. As far as Gordon goes, nobody's actually going to give up any value for him, unless, again, Charlotte takes back a worse contract (or set of contracts). Probably best to hold on to Gordon as salary filler while Cho shops around for a trade, and then buy him out after the deadline if he's still around. Seeing as Carlos Boozer sort of earned his keep this year in Chicago, a salary dump where Charlotte gets him and an asset or two is off the table. The best hope that Cho has is probably the Pelicans getting scared off of Eric Gordon's knee and giving him away for something like Ben Gordon and the Portland pick.

[BPfromfrance]

No reason to panic with TT's contract

In 2014/2015, he'll be a 10M expiring contract ad can become a good asset, and by then we have a lot of cap space

[dav7z]

TT is in a contract year . I think he plays to get paid. I think hes a much better player than we all think . He reminds me of a person who likes to sit on his ass a collect a pay check. Keep him and see what he does next year . He might be come a nice asset by trade deadline if not he comes off the books.

[Bogg]

TT is in a contract year . I think he plays to get paid. I think hes a much better player than we all think . He reminds me of a person who likes to sit on his ass a collect a pay check. Keep him and see what he does next year . He might be come a nice asset by trade deadline if not he comes off the books.

Is the 2014-2015 year on his contract not guaranteed?

[Chef]

Is the 2014-2015 year on his contract not guaranteed?

he is on the books for this year and next. signed a 5 year guaranteed deal.

[Bogg]

he is on the books for this year and next. signed a 5 year guaranteed deal.

That's what I thought. He's not in a contract year, he's got two years left on his deal.

[Aircat]

Another try...

3 way trade

Cats: Gooden, Hayes, 1st round pick from Bucks - either future pick with protection or number 15 in this year's draft.

Bucks: Salmons, 2nd round pick from Kings - either future pick with protection or number 36 in this year's draft.

Kings: Thomas

Why would these teams do that?

Bucks save 5.5 mil. of salary over the next 2 years by avoiding to amnesty Gooden.

Kings save about 1.2 mil. of salary.

Cats get rid off TT and get another first rounder. They take on about 6.7 million of salary over the next 2 years. Hayes and Gooden are 2 (kinda) serviceable veterans needed.

As a point for comparison:
when the Grizzlies traded with the Cavs to attain 6,28 Mil. cap space, "the draft pick Cleveland acquires is protected 1-5 and 15-30 in 2015 and 2016 and protected 1-5 in 2017 and 2018. If Cleveland does not get the pick by 2018, it is unprotected in 2019."