Ideal 2013 Bobcats Draft

[EmmaCat]

Let's say the Bobcats have the #1 Overall Pick and get the #13 Overall Pick from Portland. What is your ideal combination of picks?

[gamecocksmitty4]

Not sure if either guy would be there at 13, but if they were, I would pair Noel with either Oladipo or Smart.

[SWedd523]

I'm really starting to lean towards the Draft Noel camp recently. He's shown to be an equal talent to guys like McLemore and Shabazz, so going with the "you can't teach size" adage, I'd take him.


Assuming we get Noel with the 1, we can go a couple of different ways. We can pick up another big and use Viking and whoever else at the 2 for next year while we wait for the Wiggins sweepstakes, or we can take a wing and have more options next year.


Using DX as a guide and looking at #12 (to allow a little deviation) and beyond, I'd rank my top 3 outcomes as:

1. Noel and Goodwin (Goodwin plays like a dummy, but he's a phenomenal athlete, has great size/length, and has as much potential as a pseudo-PG/volume scorer as anybody else in the draft. I don't want to be high on him, but I'd hate to pass on him and he end up being a new age Sprewell)

2. Noel and Olynyk (I'm hesitant to pick a guy who isn't a fantastic athlete in the current NBA, but Olynyk has so much skill and can score from all over the floor that I think he'd be a great role player. you hope for more than that with a lottery pick, but he could look really good on a team in a Nick Collison role)

3. Noel and Oladipo (you want bench players to be great in individual roles. Oladipo would be an excellent defender AND shooter so he'd have a lot of value. Him and Taylor are similar players, sure, but you really can't have enough guys in that mld)

[gamecocksmitty4]

Based on his shooting %'s, AST/TO ratio, and the way he's killing his team that is filled with talent, I would be very much against Goodwin.

The only thing I like is his FTA's (although he has an awful FT%) and his athleticism. His inability to shoot the long ball would also hurt being alongside Kemba and MKG.

[SWedd523]

You're certainly right, and I'm not going to argue with you too much about it. I will say, though, that his 2P% is solid at 46.9%, his overall is just dragged down because he doesn't have any range. His game is very similar to Westbrook in that he is in constant attack the rim mode. It took Westbrook a few years to develop his jumper (and to be completely honest he still isn't there yet).

Like I said, he plays like a dummy, and I really don't want to like him. But you (universal you, not you you) can't help but see he has all of the physical tools necessary to be a great NBA player. We're going to have to take a chance on the second pick no matter which direction we go. Olynyk has questions, Poythress has questions, Porter, Oladipo, Robinson, Hardaway, etc all have questions. It's certainly a risk, but I'm of the belief that if you're going to take a risk on a player, it's hard to fault taking that risk on a guy who has probably the best physical tools of any guard in the draft.

[gamecocksmitty4]

I would say his TO's might go down if he was put at SG and wasn't asked to facilitate, but so would his assists. I'm just not seeing much out of Goodwin that you can't get out of a guy like Oladipo other than his ability to get to the line. Plus, with Dipo, you get elite level defense. A potential (occasional) lineup of Kemba-Oladipo-MKG/Taylor-Noel-Biz defense would smother opponents. That would be an AWFUL offense though. Either way, I think Oladipo is better in both the short run and the long run.

[jmanvelocity]

1. Mclemore/Olynyk
2. Bazzy/Olynyk

[CampNightmare8]

Lol the wiggins sweepstakes.

But I want either

Noel/Oladipo
Big Bazz/Olynyk
Noel/Olynyk

I really think that Oladipo kid can be something special he's a defensive monster
I'm also looking at Goodwin & Cauley-Stein.

[BrotherDave]

Poll fail: Too much McAdoo.

Right now (which means little to nothing) I'm going with Noel/Oladipo or Shabazz/Cauley-Stein. I'd be fine going big/big as well but we need to get at least one of them.

[GoBobs]

Noel/Gobert

or

Noel/Austin

possible trade up from 18 to 6-10 combining the detroit and portland pick which I think will be possible given the depth in this draft. Gobert and Austin both have big bust potential but you can't teach size and they both have huge upside also.

[Bogg]

Are we assuming that Carter-Williams has played his way out of the bottom of the lottery and into the top ten?

[CampNightmare8]

Lol nobody said Mcadoo yet

[Veteran_Picksetter]

I'm really starting to lean towards the Draft Noel camp recently. He's shown to be an equal talent to guys like McLemore and Shabazz, so going with the "you can't teach size" adage, I'd take him.


Assuming we get Noel with the 1, we can go a couple of different ways. We can pick up another big and use Viking and whoever else at the 2 for next year while we wait for the Wiggins sweepstakes, or we can take a wing and have more options next year.


Using DX as a guide and looking at #12 (to allow a little deviation) and beyond, I'd rank my top 3 outcomes as:

1. Noel and Goodwin (Goodwin plays like a dummy, but he's a phenomenal athlete, has great size/length, and has as much potential as a pseudo-PG/volume scorer as anybody else in the draft. I don't want to be high on him, but I'd hate to pass on him and he end up being a new age Sprewell)

2. Noel and Olynyk (I'm hesitant to pick a guy who isn't a fantastic athlete in the current NBA, but Olynyk has so much skill and can score from all over the floor that I think he'd be a great role player. you hope for more than that with a lottery pick, but he could look really good on a team in a Nick Collison role)

3. Noel and Oladipo (you want bench players to be great in individual roles. Oladipo would be an excellent defender AND shooter so he'd have a lot of value. Him and Taylor are similar players, sure, but you really can't have enough guys in that mld)

#2. Assuming Noel/Olynyk continue to impress this year, what a nice longterm big man duo that could be. So many skills are represented in those 2 players, especially if they both keep improving their post moves.

[ohara831]

I love McLemore, but I am starting to move in the direction of Noel. Not there yet, but trending for sure.

[Bosnian-Bobcats-Fan]

Poll fail: Too much McAdoo.

Right now (which means little to nothing) I'm going with Noel/Oladipo or Shabazz/Cauley-Stein. I'd be fine going big/big as well but we need to get at least one of them.

I 2nd this.....these are my 2 choices as well

[Bogg]

Gonna be honest, without another trade, I'm growing pretty sure the Bobcats only have one pick this summer.

[Pepperz]

im liking a UK draft with noel and goodwin. noel is going to be a force on the D while goodwin can become a solid scorer. goodwin can even be a solid 6th man for hes really good at iso and can get to the line often.

[Bosnian-Bobcats-Fan]

yeah i wouldnt mind goodwin with our 2nd pick...be that combo guard 6th man type scorer off the bench...would make ben gordon expendable..maybe get another pick for him who knows

[gamecocksmitty4]

I also wouldn't mind Bennett/Oladipoh. I honestly think Oladipoh could be a solid starter in this league and a lockdown defender. Bennett would be a good compliment to Biz down low (size...I know) and Oladipoh could be a perfect fit between Kemba and MKG. Especially if he can keep getting his shot up.

Bennett and Kemba could be the two go-to guys with Sessions (cringe) coming off the bench and adding points. We will also have plenty of $$ and another high pick in 2014 to add to the lineup.

Summary: I'm extremely fickle and have no idea what I want.

[BrotherDave]

Goodwin has shown me nothing that would suggest he'd be ready to contribute in the NBA in less than at least 2 years. He is that raw in understanding how to play. If he was born in the Congo he'd be the 2 guard version of Biz.

[Pepperz]

youre right in about goodwin there. very raw but has a top 5 potential that we can get in the teens. he has wesrbrooke potential. i would love a lineup like....

kemba
goodwin
mkg
biz/mully (dependin on the matcup)
noel

[gamecocksmitty4]

I don't understand the Westbrook comparisons. Goodwin is hot garbage.

[CampNightmare8]

I don't understand the Westbrook comparisons. Goodwin is hot garbage.

He plays exactly like him. Maybe he won't be the great defender Westbrook is but offensively he has the potential.

[CampNightmare8]

Changed my mind after watching oladipo against Illinois.

Noel/Goodwin
Big Bazz/Olynyk
Noel/Olynyk
Big Bazz/Cauley-Stein

[BrotherDave]

I don't understand the Westbrook comparisons. Goodwin is hot garbage.

I don't either. He has John Wall on a bad day potential. Terrible IQ, selfish, and can't shoot for shit.

[Potato]

McLemore
Plumlee

Kemba
McLemore
MKG
Plumlee
Bizz

???? Not a bad core, no star though

[DashGlobal]

McClemore or Bazz with the 1st pick and Plumlee or McCollum with the 2nd.

We need to trade Sessions, Gordon, or Hendo for a solid rebounding defensive big.

Then next year get Wiggins or Parker. Then I guess we would need to trade MKG.....

[CampNightmare8]

McClemore or Bazz with the 1st pick and Plumlee or McCollum with the 2nd.

We need to trade Sessions, Gordon, or Hendo for a solid rebounding defensive big.

Then next year get Wiggins or Parker. Then I guess we would need to trade MKG.....

Lol thinking about trading MKG already? I couldn't see it happening. If anything I think if we got Wiggins or Parker that MKG would just come off the bench.

[DashGlobal]

Lol thinking about trading MKG already? I couldn't see it happening. If anything I think if we got Wiggins or Parker that MKG would just come off the bench.

2nd overall pick as a career backup? Fug that. Trade him for another young talent on a position of need. Preferably a big.

[BrotherDave]

Man, Plumlee has career journeyman written all over him. The mere fact that he's in the convo for Portland's pick tells you that we need to trade that pick for something of value.

[CampNightmare8]

2nd overall pick as a career backup? Fug that. Trade him for another young talent on a position of need. Preferably a big.

Yeah I guess you're right. Just feeling weird thinking about that this early lol.

[DashGlobal]

Yeah I guess you're right. Just feeling weird thinking about that this early lol.

Its crucial we get Wiggins or Parker next year. Wiggins will be a superstar and Parker will be an All Star. Something we dont have and need. MKG will have to come off the bench. Hopefully we can get a nice big for him.

[CampNightmare8]

Its crucial we get Wiggins or Parker next year. Wiggins will be a superstar and Parker will be an All Star. Something we dont have and need. MKG will have to come off the bench. Hopefully we can get a nice big for him.

Agreed. But You don't think Jabari will be a superstar? Dude has a lot of talent, he's just as good as Wiggins is now we just know Wiggy will turn out better.

[SWedd523]

Parker is not even in the same discussion as Wiggins.

Wiggins would eat Parker's lunch then poop it back out on his head after dunking on him.

[DashGlobal]

Parker is not even in the same discussion as Wiggins.

Wiggins would eat Parker's lunch then poop it back out on his head after dunking on him.

Im a Wiggins fan and would take him number 1 but having said that Parker is more skilled right now. Wiggins is a lot more athletic and has a higher ceiling though.

[CampNightmare8]

Im a Wiggins fan and would take him number 1 but having said that Parker is more skilled right now. Wiggins is a lot more athletic and has a higher ceiling though.

yeah this is what I was saying.

[SWedd523]

Im a Wiggins fan and would take him number 1 but having said that Parker is more skilled right now. Wiggins is a lot more athletic and has a higher ceiling though.

What does being more skilled right now have anything to do with anything? We won't be seeing either one of them in an NBA uniform for at least two years.

And what does being more skilled matter in general? Kobe is more skilled than LeBron, who would you rather have?

[SWedd523]

yeah this is what I was saying.

And I'm saying even now, he's nowhere near as good as Wiggins. The kid just went for 57 and 13 on 85.7% FG. Last time I saw Parker he was fat, soft, slow, and him team got beat

[CampNightmare8]

what does being more skilled right now have anything to do with anything? We won't be seeing either one of them in an nba uniform for at least two years.

And what does being more skilled matter in general? kobe is more skilled than lebron, who would you rather have?

what!? Trolllllllllll

[CampNightmare8]

And I'm saying even now, he's nowhere near as good as Wiggins. The kid just went for 57 and 13 on 85.7% FG. Last time I saw Parker he was fat, soft, slow, and him team got beat

I guess it doesn't matter i'm not saying I want Parker over Wiggins, i'm just saying Parker isn't a damn scrub. Dude is a dog. There's no certainty that we get the #1 2014 draft so if we wind up getting Parker or Randle or someone like that I wouldn't be upset. I would actually be stoked.

[SWedd523]

I guess it doesn't matter i'm not saying I want Parker over Wiggins, i'm just saying Parker isn't a damn scrub. Dude is a dog. There's no certainty that we get the #1 2014 draft so if we wind up getting Parker or Randle or someone like that I wouldn't be upset. I would actually be stoked.

I'm not saying Parker sucks, just that Wiggins is on such another level compared to his age group that he makes them look like a bunch on Stan Podolaks

[CampNightmare8]

I'm not saying Parker sucks, just that Wiggins is on such another level compared to his age group that he makes them look like a bunch on Stan Podolaks

Haha, I knew Wiggy scored 57 but didn't know he shot 85% DAMN!

http://m.theglobeandmail.com/migration_catalog/article4068215.ece/BINARY/w620/Hoop3

WIGGY HAPPY

[DashGlobal]

What does being more skilled right now have anything to do with anything? We won't be seeing either one of them in an NBA uniform for at least two years.

And what does being more skilled matter in general? Kobe is more skilled than LeBron, who would you rather have?

Skill is an important attribute in basketball, probably the most important. Just like athletic ability is important as well, along with bball IQ. All of it is important. Not that Wiggins is a slouch skill wise, its just Parker is more skilled at present. Im not sure id say Kobe is more skilled than Lebron. Lebron is highly skilled passer, ball handler, rebounder, ect and esp when you consider his size.

Not a good comparison imo

With that said id still take Wiggins over Parker as his combination of skill and athletic ability makes him a better overall player.

[SJackson1]

McLemore or Muhammed are good picks

[Wi11iWii]

The Bobcats should probably get Mclemore with the first pick being that he is a very unique combination of shooting ability and athleticism. He has good length too and is the ideal height for a 2. Just has tons of potential and can help them right from the start on both sides of the ball. He is the best player available and could fill a gaping hole at the 2 if Henderson walks as the Bobcats have to get rid of Ben Gordon now. They should then use the Portland pick to get a big. I really like Mullens at the 4 as he continues to get better throughout the season and Biyombo is a great defender but other than that they are very thin in the front court. I'd take Isaiah Austin if he's still on the board. He and Mullens are both interchangeable at the 4 and 5. And Austin has great potential but the Bobcats will have to be patient with his development as he bulks up and increases his skill. Kelly Olynyk is another option although he is almost purely an offensive player albeit a great and versatile one. He can't rebound and is a liability on defense, both due to his nearly non-existent athleticism. Either that or go Nerlens Noel with the first pick and take Victor Oladipo with the Portland pick.

[DashGlobal]

Oladipo wont be there with the Portland pick

[Wi11iWii]

All depends on who's draft board you're looking at. Some boards i've seen have him in the top ten others have him at the bottom of the draft lottery. The tournament will determine where everyone falls in the end.

[DashGlobal]

Oladipo is rising and rising fast. Will be gone. You can bank on it.