Very Weak Draft!!!

[CharlotteNBATeamFan]

This is just a thread I wanted to use to vent about the so called analyst, experts and fans every year who definitively make comments about drafts and how strong or weak they are.

There have been many times these analyst, fans and so called experts have made definitive statements about the talent coming out of a draft class and they were proven wrong.

I do not mind analyst, fans or draft experts making a statement that says a draft "looks" to be weak or however they deem the draft to be. However when people make definitive statements like the upcoming draft IS very weak or "whatever other way they feel the draft will be," it would seem they think they are psychic. Psychics do not exist. If they did they would all have all the worlds power and wealth.

Just as many times people get certain player evaluations wrong they do the same thing with many of these draft classes.

While I do not see a draft class that offers up many future stars I do see one that could offer up some depth in the way of average to good performers and contributors. However that is simply my observation. I could be way wrong just as the overall consensus of people could be wrong about this draft.

From my experience it usually takes at least three years to grade an overall draft class. One can surmise what they think a draft class will be like in the future but they can not know for sure.

Blanket statements are sheer ignorance and many times arrogance. :rolleyes:

[BrotherDave]

This is a weak draft.

[dnbman]

And 911 is a joke!

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[adam187]

This is just a thread I wanted to use to vent about the so called analyst, experts and fans every year who definitively make comments about drafts and how strong or weak they are.

There have been many times these analyst, fans and so called experts have made definitive statements about the talent coming out of a draft class and they were proven wrong.

I do not mind analyst, fans or draft experts making a statement that says a draft "looks" to be weak or however they deem the draft to be. However when people make definitive statements like the upcoming draft IS very weak or "whatever other way they feel the draft will be," it would seem they think they are psychic. Psychics do not exist. If they did they would all have all the worlds power and wealth.

Just as many times people get certain player evaluations wrong they do the same thing with many of these draft classes.

While I do not see a draft class that offers up many future stars I do see one that could offer up some depth in the way of average to good performers and contributors. However that is simply my observation. I could be way wrong just as the overall consensus of people could be wrong about this draft.

From my experience it usually takes at least three years to grade an overall draft class. One can surmise what they think a draft class will be like in the future but they can not know for sure.

Blanket statements are sheer ignorance and many times arrogance. :rolleyes:

based on the title of this thread, i thought you were gonna be making a huge complaint about how bag this draft was.

i totally agree, by the way. only time will tell how good a draft usually is. and i could give a crap about the talent level as a whole of a draft class. all you need is one player and every draft has at least one or two very strong players.

2012 (still watching): davis, drummond, lillard early candidates
2011 (still watching): irving, and a whole bunch of dudes who might continue to blossom
2010: wall, favors, cousins, monroe, paul george, larry sanders
2009: blake griffin, harden, steph curry, holiday
2008: rose, westbrook, kevin love, brook lopez, perkovic
2007: durant, al horford, joakim noah, marc gasol

no, not all of those guys are "franchise players." but even still, you put a couple of them on the same team and you are looking good. it's really about selecting the right guy and then putting him in an environment to succeed. so i'm not too stressed.

also, it seems like every year they always say the draft is going to be weak, but maybe i'm just imagining it.

[CampNightmare8]

I could care less if this was a weak draft anyway. We're drafting around 1-3 range so it'll be really hard for us to screw up our draft pick. We all know that Shabazz Muhammad, Cody Zeller, Ben McLemore & Nerlens Noel will not upset anyone who gets them, & that's not even naming the other prospects that are playing well this year.

Yes, your also correct that they say the draft is going to be weak every year. I don't let analyst's opinions change mine. I agree with more people on this forum than I do with ESPN analyst, most of them have no idea what they are talking about and just base stuff off of player popularity and stuff like that.

For an example..Let's go with a recent fuck-up when nor Shaq or Charles drafted Kemba and he was the 2nd/3rd best player on the board (I think he's better than Lillard).

Oh and another example...Today Stephen A. & Skip said if Mike suited up at 50 years old,(as of this weekend) out of shape and all, that he would average 15 PPG, 7 RBS, & 4 AST. Need I say more?

[BrotherDave]

The only danger of picking high in a weak draft is ending up with someone like Bargnani. Between McLemore, Muhammad, Noel, Bennett, and hell I'll even throw in Zeller and Smart, I doubt that happens.

[CampNightmare8]

The only danger of picking high in a weak draft is ending up with someone like Bargnani. Between McLemore, Muhammad, Noel, Bennett, and hell I'll even throw in Zeller and Smart, I doubt that happens.

Yeah I agree. None of those players seem like "risk" players to me.

[CharlotteNBATeamFan]

This is a weak draft.Since you can say that definitively maybe you can definitively tell us what teams will be in this years NBA conference finals, who is in the title game and who wins it, how many titles Lebron James will win, whether the Bobcats ever become the Hornets and will they win a title before the 2020-2021 season? Oh and let us not forget the NCAA tournament. Who will be in the final four and who will be in the championship as well as who will win it all?

No offense but to make blanket statements is indicative of someone thinking they know everything and can tell us what will happen in life. If you do and you can you should be the richest man on earth.

Weak drafts have turned out better than people thought they would be and vice versa.

Far more often than not people are correct but the fact that they sometimes are proven wrong means that blanket statements are for foolish people.

Not to mention even in the instance of strong drafts it usually takes about three years to judge a complete draft class.

If this draft is so weak perhaps only the top five picks should be made. I mean everybody else is deep bench talent and most teams have those spots solidified.

Let the experts determine how deep this draft is and scratch all the drafting of "weak" players unworthy of doing much of anything in the NBA.

You and all the experts can nominate players members of the HOF before they even play a game in the NBA. Since everybody has the answers.

[BrotherDave]

Hook, line and sinker.

It is a weak draft though. That's not a definitive statement, it's a relative one. All you need is a decent eye for basketball talent/ability and experience for reference points to see that this draft doesn't stack up all that well compared to ones like 2003 or 1984.

[SWedd523]

Anybody else curious how CharlotteNBATeamFan feels about people cling this draft weak?

[CharlotteNBATeamFan]

I have no problem with people calling the draft weak when comparing it to some of the great drafts of the past based on the eye test. However I do find some of the know it all statements as to weakness or strength of a draft in comparative terms to MOST drafts is ignorant.

I will say this draft looks to be weaker than many but I will not swear to it. I don't care how many years someone has played, coached or watched basketball, nobody can definitively say what will become of a draft class. Also just because a draft does not have a poop load of players who will shine in the NBA from season one does not make it weak. Some drafts are not so much weak but are slower to progress to the point of giving a fair grade to. This draft looks weak. I can not say matter as a matter of fact that is. Nobody can definitively know how a draft class will turn out.

This draft class in not some draft class near and dear to my heart but I am not a prophet or psychic and there is no such thing in real life so I will not make blanket statements about anything I could not possibly know for certain. Over and out.

[westbrook08]

There's no such thing as a weak draft for a team that needs everything. It's doubtful we find a franchise guy in this draft but getting a guy who can be a legit stater on a playoff team is very likely and would be a good start.

[BrotherDave]

There's no such thing as a weak draft for a team that needs everything. It's doubtful we find a franchise guy in this draft but getting a guy who can be a legit stater on a playoff team is very likely and would be a good start.
I'm sure Toronto were telling themselves the same thing when they drafted Bargnani.

[Potato]

I was talking to my friends though... I think we'll start seeing more and more drafts like this on paper. 1 year of college ball isn't enough to tell if a player has potential to be a "star" in the nba

e: i mean at 18-19 how the hell can you tell a kids potential

[kitch0202]

I was talking to my friends though... I think we'll start seeing more and more drafts like this on paper. 1 year of college ball isn't enough to tell if a player has potential to be a "star" in the nba

e: i mean at 18-19 how the hell can you tell a kids potential

It certainly is a worry and I for one would like the rules to change to see a minimum of two years of college ball prior to declaring ... once we're no longer a certainty to be picking in the lottery that is ;)

[westbrook08]

I'm sure Toronto were telling themselves the same thing when they drafted Bargnani.

I doubt it. From what i read around the draft that year, Colangelo had a boner for Bargnani for years before they drafted him. That was "his guy". Most other gm's didn't see it that way. But who knows. Biz was Cho's guy all the way and so far it's looking like we burned a top 10 pick on Ian Mahimi's little brother! lol.

[Bogg]

The two biggest things going into this draft are to make sure to not whiff on a guy and wind up with nothing, and to not get too hung up on what a guy drafted #1-4 is "supposed" to be. The rap on this draft, for a while, has been that while there may not be even a single franchise guy, there's plenty of solid NBA players to be had. Just like MKG is unlikely to ever be a franchise player, even though he was taken second overall, the team may need to be okay with taking a borderline all-star in the top three and not judge him based on his draft position.

[Scrapper1]

I like Mclemore