The Official Fire Bernie thread [Archive]

Dead_Real

11-02-2006, 04:30 PM

Hell yeah I\'m with you I\'m tired of Felton playing off the ball when he is running the point we look like a different team. Remember those games when Ray would take over a game hell he dropped 31 on Steve Nash last year as a rookie, Felton earned his spot but he seems like he still doesn\'t know his place on the team because of Bernie.

Mustachio

11-02-2006, 09:52 PM

you know djack.... i felt the same way at the game last night.

i like bernie as a PR guy, a GM and a person for that matter(not that i know him). But last night i was dying. i know he lost Crash last night early and that changed his game plan im sure. But some of the combinations i couldnt even get in my head.

Bernard Robinson played for the entire 3rd Quarter and much of the 4th

look at the depth chart of minutes. othella, ely, and voskul all had under 10 minutes of PT. Why does he love going small ball so much.? i think our big guys handle themselve quite well down low, why does he not use that more.

i like the guy and maybe its too early to drop him, but its never to early to start looking.

ziggy

11-02-2006, 10:30 PM

Bernard Robinson getting 17 minutes was puzzling. Guys like B-Rob that are basically 11th or 12th man on the team should only get those kind of minutes if they\'re playing well and producing on the court. If they\'re stinking the place up (like Bernard was), then they should get pulled after 3 or 4 minutes.

Bernie sticks wih his favorites through Hell or high water.

tamburello

11-02-2006, 10:31 PM

If we have a quick alternative to replace Bernie, let\'s fire him. But who is the guy? Adelman? Brown? Montgomery? Again Tubby?

At the end of the season, Bernie will step down. We need to be a little more patient.

ashy_larry

11-02-2006, 10:40 PM

tamburello wrote:

...But who is the guy? Adelman? Brown? Montgomery? Again Tubby?

I\'ve always been a Paul Silas fan.

dvdbumpus

11-02-2006, 11:59 PM

I agree we could have used Harrington or Ely who is a good post up scorer rather than Robinson. It was killing me and I was just looking over the stats!!

I like Bernie as the coach for the 1st two years, but having Felton playing off the ball and playing over the hill (BK) no real future with the team guys is frustrating. We\'re supposed to be building off of last season (when Felton won like 4 of the last 5 even with injuries).

I think Bickerstaff is holding us back. Just pray to god not to get Larry Brown...however he was successful with college kids so with the young players it may work....

Mustachio

11-03-2006, 03:26 PM

Id like to see BK as the sixth man, i think the guy is pretty freakin good and would make a run at 6th man award. i think thats where he would shine.

And larry brown has done nothing but harm the teams hes coached so far. he won at detroit, but that team could win without a coach. he just rode it to victory.

id like to see a college coach try his hand in charlotte. We have a young team with players who loved the college experience and would probally gel quickly and effectively with a college coach... any ideas on who we could see in Orange next year?

djack

11-03-2006, 07:19 PM

Mustachio wrote:

Id like to see BK as the sixth man, i think the guy is pretty freakin good and would make a run at 6th man award. i think thats where he would shine.
You\'re right, Brevin Knight could be the 6th man of the year, but as long as Bernie Bickerstaff is on the sidelines, then Brevin is going to be chewing up 30 minutes a game at the PG spot, forcing Ray to play out of position which causes Adam Morrison to lose minutes on the court.
Him getting the starting PG spot causes a negative trickle down effect.

ziggy

11-04-2006, 10:48 AM

After seeing how Bernie coached the 4th quarter of last niht\'s game against the Grizzlies, I think that Bernies coaching days are numbered. Supposedly Michael Jordan truly has authority over basketball decisions and he couldn\'t be happy seeing:
* Ammo not getting the ball in the 4th quarter after being on fire the first 3.
* Sean May not getting minutes in the second half even though the Bobcats were in dire need of post scoring.
* Raymond being forced to play out of position.

Mustachio

11-04-2006, 08:04 PM

ok now im officially on the bandwagon to get him outta here

the memphis game was a terrible coaching display. and we should have won that game.

Bernie cannot make halftime adjustments, proper substitutions late in the game, and cant seem to calm his players down enough to play decent. He has developed a late game collapse which i can only describe as a lack of confidence.

We had a 10 point lead going into the 4th and lost by 13 points. THAT IS UNACCEPTABLE. losing a lead that big is one thing. but a one quarter 23 point collapse is ridiculous, SORRY IM PISSED

ashy_larry

11-04-2006, 08:42 PM

What frustrates me is that when the other team makes a run, he doesn\'t do anything. He just sits there, he doesn\'t pull the ineffective players from the game, slow things down, speed it up, Get a Tech, call a timeout.... Nothing.
He just sits there and watches it happen.

dvdbumpus

11-04-2006, 10:02 PM

ashy_larry wrote:

What frustrates me is that when the other team makes a run, he doesn\'t do anything. He just sits there, he doesn\'t pull the ineffective players from the game, slow things down, speed it up, Get a Tech, call a timeout.... Nothing.
He just sits there and watches it happen.

I know...absolutely disgraceful. How about Bobby Knight?? He wouldn\'t take ANY of that crap.

777rak

11-04-2006, 11:32 PM

Mustachio wrote:

Id like to see BK as the sixth man, i think the guy is pretty freakin good and would make a run at 6th man award. i think thats where he would shine.

And larry brown has done nothing but harm the teams hes coached so far. he won at detroit, but that team could win without a coach. he just rode it to victory.

id like to see a college coach try his hand in charlotte. We have a young team with players who loved the college experience and would probally gel quickly and effectively with a college coach... any ideas on who we could see in Orange next year?

That is not a bad idea. I like your thinking, a young college coach would work well with our youngs players. Though not certain what coach we should pick up

kbdiggity

11-05-2006, 03:43 AM

to hell with being patient. I\'m not gonna sit here and watch Bickerstaff waste an entire season of Ray Felton\'s career by playing him at SG.

That jerk needs to go NOW!!!!

Write the Charlotte Observer and let the city and the Bobcats brass know how you feel.

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djack

11-05-2006, 01:16 PM

Heres the latest from Rick Bonnell defending the Brevin Knight/Raymond Felton backcourt.:unsure:

dvdbumpus

11-06-2006, 01:37 AM

Tubby Smith, or Thad Matta from Ohio State. he made Xavier, XAVIER a powerhouse.

My number 1 coach pick would be: JIM CALHOUN because:

A. I\'m a monstrous Uconn fa, and how things are run there

B. He was Okafor and Voskhul\'s coach

C. He develops players, especially wing players(rip hamilton, caron Butler, Donyell Marshall, Ben Gordon, etc.

D. He\'s a WINNER!!

E. He\'s a great coach in every way.

heelfan

11-10-2006, 02:08 AM

dvdbumpus wrote:

Tubby Smith, or Thad Matta from Ohio State. he made Xavier, XAVIER a powerhouse.

My number 1 coach pick would be: JIM CALHOUN because:

A. I\'m a monstrous Uconn fa, and how things are run there

B. He was Okafor and Voskhul\'s coach

C. He develops players, especially wing players(rip hamilton, caron Butler, Donyell Marshall, Ben Gordon, etc.

D. He\'s a WINNER!!

E. He\'s a great coach in every way.

On 9 out of 10 occasions college coaches fail when they come up to the NBA. I wouldn\'t look towards getting a college coach.

Whats everyone\'s opinion on getting Larry Brown. Hes a great coach.... but a little goofy.

Mustachio

11-11-2006, 03:17 AM

i personally think larry brown isnt that great, hes left every franchise poorer and in worse shape than when he found it.

the only reason he won a national championship is because he had the pistons. that team could win with bernie coaching it. i wont say hes garbage, but he aint all that special. really just a name. but since he is a Tar Heel, you can bet the UNC/Bobcat love fest will continue and he will be the coach next year.

ziggy

11-11-2006, 10:08 AM

Mustachio wrote:

i personally think larry brown isnt that great, hes left every franchise poorer and in worse shape than when he found it.

the only reason he won a national championship is because he had the pistons. that team could win with bernie coaching it. i wont say hes garbage, but he aint all that special. really just a name. but since he is a Tar Heel, you can bet the UNC/Bobcat love fest will continue and he will be the coach next year.
Please don\'t make me have to stomach Larry Brown. He doesn\'t play his young players and he has a history of pissing off his players by calling them out in the press.
The one thing that might save us from getting him is that Brown will ask for big bucks, and the Bobcats\' owner isn\'t exactly a spendthrift.

Jonathanmartin7

11-13-2006, 10:58 PM

I don\'t have a favorite canadit in mind, but will anybody rather keep Bernie instead of Larry Brown?

heelfan

11-30-2006, 06:52 PM

This thread needed a bump. Especially since we\'re now 4-11 and tied with the Memphis Grizzlies for the WORST RECORD IN THE ENTIRE NBA!!!!

Gentlemen.... What can we do or who can we write to get this sorry assed coach off of our bench?

Mustachio

11-30-2006, 10:28 PM

im with you, Bernie got us this far with good drafts and pretty decent personell moves.

Its time to go. we now need to take the next step, past Bernies best ability to nurture the young franchise.

thats a pretty fluffy way of saying, we need someone who can get us into and through the playoffs.

unfortunately i think you can forget bernie leaving this year. for a coach to be fired in midseason, would take high expectations and some media pressure.

we have none of the above. no one believes the bobcats have what it takes to get there yet, so no one is gonna say fire bernie.
and the media pays very very very little attention to us if any at all.

while most of us think we have a great talent base, our fanbase is still too small to make that kind of push. basically i think we are gonna have to wait this one out.

end of the year. Paul Silas will be the next bobcats coach. its just too obvious.

ziggy

12-24-2006, 06:48 AM

After last night's 39 point blowout, this thread deserves to be stickied. We are in dire need of a new coach.

djack

12-24-2006, 10:24 AM

After last night's 39 point blowout, this thread deserves to be stickied. We are in dire need of a new coach.
Its an embarrasment. Unless some changes are made in this organization, I would be surprised if we are able to keep any of our players past their original contract. Emeka has had 3 years of this shit, why would he want to stay. Ray has been forced to play off the ball because of Bernie's affection for Brevin. And Ammo is playing like someone who has already been driven insane by the losing.

dvdbumpus

12-24-2006, 07:48 PM

This offseason is going to determine the future of the franchise.

BabyDoll

12-26-2006, 09:48 AM

Add my name to the list of people that want Bernie Bickerstaff bounced.

dav7z

12-28-2006, 01:55 PM

This offseason is going to determine the future of the franchise.
I agree , A LOT OF THINGS HAVE TO HAPEN
1. Bernie has to go along with his son
2. We need to hit a home run in the draft
3. We need to resign Wallace
4. We need at least 2 good free agent pick ups.
5 Dont resign thease players with bad contracts, Like B.K. Ely, Anderson,Robinson Premo. to name a few
But JUST GET RID OF BERNIE 1st

ziggy

12-28-2006, 02:50 PM

1. Bernie has to go along with his son

That part is going to get tricky. Any coach worth having is going to want to get JB Bickerstaff off his staff or at the very least demote him to a level thats more in line with his experience. But will Bernie as GM be willing to hire a coach that will let his son go??? I don't know.

dvdbumpus

01-03-2007, 04:19 PM

Once again, fire Bernie!

CaptainCrunch

01-06-2007, 07:04 PM

Bernie does have to go bring in John Blair.

CaptainCrunch

01-06-2007, 07:05 PM

just kiding

ziggy

01-06-2007, 07:18 PM

just kiding
whew ::) I thought you had lost your mind.

123together

01-11-2007, 02:58 PM

i think bernie has a good plan as a GM but his coaching strategy needs some work. we are in great salary cap condition, and can get 1 top flight free agent this offseason, and then maybe a mid level free agent as well as resign G-Force. but on the floor, we need a true proven coach, hopefully rick carlilse or someone like that would be attracted to the bobcats

Jonathanmartin7

01-14-2007, 09:50 PM

ziggy

01-20-2007, 10:37 AM

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DaFlameking

01-25-2007, 11:22 PM

LOL. that was funny. fortunately we won the game. lol.

Bernie Bickerstaff is just useless. The history that he coached the Sonics back in the playoffs way back doesnt prove he's a good coach.

I got pissed as hell back at the end of the second season. Why? Well Jason Kapono contract had ended and he was offered a higher salary at the Miami Heat. He did not accept and held it off for a week telling Bernie that he would stay with the team even if Bernie didnt give him a bigger contract than what was offered. As long as he played for the bobcats, he said he would be happy.

What did Bernie Bickerstaff do?

He said to Jason to go to Miami "You can win a ring there"

What evidently happened was Jason Kapono won a ring and got a championship under his belt. Now Jason Kapono is an active off the bench player much more than he was last year and is doing very well for the Heat by scoring.

We could have used this but Bernie does not care. I dont even know why J.B. Bickerstaff is even assistant head coach. He does nothing!!!

I say get rid of the bickerstaff family out of charlottle. They're just wasting the players and the fans' time

dvdbumpus

01-25-2007, 11:30 PM

Welcome to the board DaFlameKing.

Yes, I would like Bernie and JP GONE.

It sure would be nice to have that career 45% 3 point shooter on the roster huh? What drives me most insane is that he cares too much about the players, rather than the team as a whole. This is a business buddy. George Steinbrenner and all the great GM's never won rings and succeeded by being suckers for players and telling them what's best for them. They did what's best for the team. To an extent, I can understand, but come on, Mark Cuban even realizes this is a business.

DaFlameking

01-25-2007, 11:59 PM

Thanks for the welcome :biggrin:

I totally agree he is too personal with his players. He choses favorites day in an day out. He's too soft in my opinion to tell players strictly how they are supposed to play and what to do and improve in. I think this is why Kareem Rush acted up and didnt even care about the future of the team or his future playing basketball. In the end result, if we dont move Bernie fast enough, the rest of the players will end up like this (Primoz Brezec is kinda doing that now) and become weak minded and soft.

berniemustgo

01-27-2007, 11:10 AM

count me in. the bobcats have to much talent to be where they are bernie is a terrible coach he shouldn't even be in the freckin NBA. I don't know what you all think but i think Reggie Miller whould make a great coach. Can you imagine drunk bobcats shouting REGGIE REGGIE REGGIE that would put butts in the seats and better players to the bobcats.
P.S. Im glad to be here and to be a bobcats fan GO BOBCATS

ziggy

01-27-2007, 11:22 AM

berniemustgo,
Welcome to BobcatsPlanet :biggrin:
It looks like we have one more on the bandwago to get Bernie out of here and get a real coach in place. Reggie Miller though? thats open to debate, however there are rumors that next season we'll be seeing a lot of the old school NBA stars in the Bobcats front office.

Also, check your PM, I sent you a message. :)

DaFlameking

01-27-2007, 12:11 PM

notice after every game, win or lose when he talks to the press or in the nba articles, he refers to everyone on the team as kids instead of guys, players or men. He's acting like he's coaching the NCAA!!! thats not right

Mustachio

02-01-2007, 08:54 AM

if we keep playing like this... does bernie need to go?

and if so... i say STEPHANIE READY FOR COACH

ziggy

02-01-2007, 11:25 AM

Bernie still needs to go, this just buys him more time.

I hope that the Bobcats have a plan in place to replace him with a more long term coach this off season... Hes done an adequate jhob as a GM, but we DO NOT need him to be our coach going into what should be a pivotal 4th season.

dav7z

02-08-2007, 10:32 AM

Ive not said much on this but ill say a couple things now.
1. I have never seen a head coach for get to put a player on a roster and then try and put him in a game. College coaches are not that stupid.Ihave not even seen a high school coach do it. Then say it was a flaw in the system. That tells me if the system has that big of flaw some ones head needs to roll. M.J . where are you
2. Hurt players are we running a day care center or a basketball team. Thease guys get payed mills. A turned ankle 6 months . A bone bruise now 8 weeks and counting
B. K laughing and playing around at half time , on and on we the most wossy team in the league. Dam Bernie tell the ones not hurt that bad to play sorry i ment LET.
3. Plays thet work why do we not use all the time like ever game. I dont rem seeing the high screen and roll from the top of the key once. Dam thats our most productive play. M.J. tell us why we didnt run our best play on offence
4 Bernies actions are filtering down to the players . Wallace and Okafor were laughing and playing during the 4th quartor with out a care in the world. Do you think if that was a U.Conn game Okafor would have been siting on the beanch for a quartor and 3 mins. BERNIE i blame you for most of this and i truely belive you tanked the game last night or at best didnt give a dam. MJ. Bernies actions are filtering down to the players and his attitude can hurt the team for years to come. Charlotte fans are not fools if you are not going to try and win Hell we want support the team.
SO BOB and M.J. if you two are willing to put up with Bernies crap and stupity you two as owners want have a market very long. And the both of you know the Charlotte market is shaky at best. Thats why as fans we dont need the wool pulled over our eyes. Try to win or not none of this half ass stuff.

Mustachio

02-08-2007, 10:54 AM

i agree bernie has to go not necessarily because of his poor job so far though.

i mean we are an expansion franchise and we arent gonna win the title in our first three years.

he has to go because i think hes done all he can do here. raised them up right and now we need a guy to take them to the next level. doug collins is an intriguing prospect... but not necessarily my fave choice.

i know this is gonna sound crazy. and i know this has been refuted several times. but what about MJ for coach... i know he is a perfectionist and most people think he would be a terrible coach, and he probally doesnt wanna coach.

but would it be so bad to have a guy coaching that demands perfection. i mean one of bernies key faults is that he gives guys too much slack. he has this defeatist attitude all the time like he believes we are too young to win 2 games all season. someone who demanded respect and all out effort from his team, would be a great fit here. lot of young guys looking for that push, what do you think?

dav7z

02-08-2007, 11:19 AM

I agree with you on some points about M.J. . One being demanding respect and better play , Making your team mate better and to strive for perfection. But i dont konw as tough as he would be would be in the best instrest of the team for the long run. I just dont know.
You used the words raised them up right talking of the players.What kind of a example is it when you tell your players sit WE CANT WIN sit hear the next quarter and a half. We cant win so we quit.....................

dvdbumpus

02-10-2007, 01:43 AM

GET RID OF Bernie!!! Please stop giving up in games and stop humping Brevin Knight's leg an play what's best for the team. DAMMIT! BAH!

DaFlameking

02-10-2007, 05:42 PM

there has to be a way to get the fan's voice to either the owner or MJ. We need bickerstaff out and his son. Get a real coach and assistant coach please. Hopefully by the all star break we have some offers =(

and the owner might like bernie bickstaff because he's cheap and bernie doesnt want much money and bernie offers to do 2 jobs in one. =(

Come On!