Allen Iverson Intrest?

[Dead_Real]

What would it take for us to pick up AI? I know he's up there in age 30 I think but I would trade BK and a 07 first round pick for Iverson you know how much they need a big down in Philly it would put them right back in the Oden sweepstakes.

PG : Ray Felton
SG: Allen Iverson
SF: Adam Morrison
PF: Sean May
C: Emeka Okafor

That starting line just looks to good to pass up on IMO thoughts

[ashy_larry]

AI still has some mileage left, but we can't possibly trade away our 2007 first rounder, Not with Greg Oden possibly being out there. No way.

[ziggy]

AI still has some mileage left, but we can't possibly trade away our 2007 first rounder, Not with Greg Oden possibly being out there. No way.
Or Kevin Durant. Either of these 2 can be stars that'll carry your team to the playoffs for the next 10 years.

[dvdbumpus]

While it'd be nice to have AI as our SG, it still wouldn't solve our defensive problems.


What do you think Iverson's value would be?

Brevin...Bernie lol.

I could see Brevin, Gerald wallace and a restricted 1st round pick. No way to that.

[tamburello]

I guess Minnesota will acquire him. There are some more candidates, but not us. Iverson wants a superstar to play along. Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce, Carmelo Anthony.. not Emeka Okafor or someone else who is Bobcat.

Marc Stein says Minnesota will send Randy Foye, Ricky Davis and some more pieces to complete this trade.

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I guess Minnesota will acquire him. There are some more candidates, but not us. Iverson wants a superstar to play along. Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce, Carmelo Anthony.. not Emeka Okafor or someone else who is Bobcat.

Marc Stein says Minnesota will send Randy Foye, Ricky Davis and some more pieces to complete this trade.
That would be a good deal on both sides. It gives the T-Wolves a chance to make a run for another 2 years and it gives the Sixers a team with a lot of quality young talent that they can keep or trade.

I doubt that the Bobcats would spend this kind of money, but what if we offered to let the Sixers dump the last year of Chris Webber's hideous contract on us next season in a deal if they can throw in one of those young talented players, Maybe Andre Iguadala or Rodney Carney.

[Jonathanmartin7]

ESPN said that we are in the AI sweepstakes. I don't think it would happen and wouldn't give up next years #1 pick. Swap picks possibly? Prosportsnews.com had an article that was headlined that he didn't care where he went, just wants to get out of philly.

[ziggy]

ESPN said that we are in the AI sweepstakes. I don't think it would happen and wouldn't give up next years #1 pick. Swap picks possibly? Prosportsnews.com had an article that was headlined that he didn't care where he went, just wants to get out of philly.
If it involves giving up our 1st round pick, or letting them have the option to swap picks, then we can't do it. Maybe if it were last year's draft we could do something like that, but the 2007 draft is shaping up to be Lebron-Carmelo-Wade type of draft.

[Jonathanmartin7]

I know it's gonna be a good draft with Oden, Durant, Noah probably coming out this year. But, I don't think that it's gonna be that great. Oden has only played to games in college and everybody is going crazy because he scores 16 pts on 8 for 8 shooting. Kwame Brown would have been able to do that, and he turned out to be a lousy pro. I know we need to protect our pick, but don't we need to try and start winning NOW. It's not like swapping picks would even get us out of the lottery. If the season ended today they'd have the 5 pick in the draft, or at least the 5th spot in the lottery. Without AI they are going to be worse than us, not better we might improve our chances by swapping picks with them. I'd trade them BK and Crash for AI and swap picks in a minute.
BK is taking up space and Crash is just flat out suicidal.
as for the picks theres not that much difference, If having the most balls in the lottery would guarantee us the #1 pick then I'd send Raymond, Sean, Mek and Adam to Hawaii and not win another game. Plus the spot that we need to fill more than any other is not C. Its SG and the draft doesn't have any D. Wade players in it.
A couple of Tim Duncan types but we have that in Mek.
I say pull the trigger and take a chance.

[tamburello]

I guess Minnesota will acquire him. There are some more candidates, but not us. Iverson wants a superstar to play along. Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce, Carmelo Anthony.. not Emeka Okafor or someone else who is Bobcat.


I don't believe the fact that we're one of leading candidates to land AI. Bernie said they'll chat with Jordan and decide what to do. These words mean to me "we're to do whatever is needed". If they both believe we can acquire him without touching youngsters and no. 1 pick, then let them execute. But there's no way, I believe. Iverson would help us to win maybe even 10 more games, however I'll always be against this trade. Even if we acquire, Bernie shouldn't let him shoot 30 times. But AI never listened to no-one's words thru his career, did whatever he wanted.

[ziggy]

I think that our best role in an Allen Iverson trade would be to act as a 3rd party facilitator.
We could let Iverson's target or destination team dump a big salary on our roster in exchange for a young talented player or a first round draft pick. Lord knows we have the cap space ::)

[Jonathanmartin7]

Who else do they have with a big contract other than Webber? and If we don't want AI then we damn sure don't want webber.

[Mustachio]

the observer is reporting (link on front page) that bernie and jordan are looking into gettin Allen Iverson.

I cant really make a solid decision here so ill list some of my pros and cons, and some of my opinions and you guys fill in and tell me what you all think of this potential move.

Pros:

- its allen iverson.
- 31 points a game THIS YEAR. hes still got it, might be in his prime right now.
- ticket sales will absolutely skyrocket.
- Jersey sales will absolutely skyrocket. as will other bobcats merch. mo money.
- hes a warrior, he gives us a scoring go to guy. he bring confidence and charisma to a young team.
- he gives the young team credibility. no more people thinkin they can push us over, and no more shitty calls from refs, just because we dont have a star.
- the win total would jump immediately in a very bad Eastern conference, makin the playoffs an attainable goal yet again.
- he fits into the mold of hard working and hustle in game situations.

Cons:

- Hes gonna come at a big price
- Not only is his salary gonna cut into our surplus, but hes gonna demand some good players in a trade to philly.
- We may have to give up a player like Crash.
- Hes been known to be a locker room cancer. and doesnt get along with coaches(could be a PRO if you ask me)
- doesnt practice hard (who freakin cares)
- it will seriously change our whole line up and sub situations. (which if your gettin blown out by 30 on a reg basis... its not a bad thing)
- really the only cons are his salary and losing players.


Summary:

I like AI. so this is biased. Hes a great talent attitude and all. a lot of people wont realize that just gettin rid of AI's salary would be considered an accomplishment for philly. hes a cap buster for those guys and that would be a great factor in the trade. so we take his salary, and give them Brevin, Ely and a second round pick. or maybe Brevin, Priimoz and a second. if thats what they would take... its a no brainer.
However, it would most likely unfold like this. Crash, Ely and a first. plus his salary.

this i do not like. we lose a first round pick and a young talent for an aging talent.
it keeps brevin knight on this team as well. Bernie would probally roll with this lineup.

Brevin (felton)
AI (Derek Anderson
Ammo (Bernard)
Okafor(May)
Primoz(Othella, Hollins)

this is gettin long so... ill stop... just discuss.

[Wallace15]

I dont think we should make the trade, but If we trade for A.I we most likely lose Wallace and a 1st round pick. If we lose Gerald what perimater defense will we have?
I say keep Wallace. Keep our 1st round pick. Who knows..maybe we'll get the 1st pick overall and have Oden.

Think about this line-up

Felton
Wallace
Morrison
Okafor
Oden

Then think about this line-up

Felton
AI
Morrison
May
Okafor

Which one would you rather have? I'll go with the 1st line-up

[Mustachio]

exactly its a move completly out of line with this management so far.

i guess the question is win now or later.

and you gotta think about at which point is it time to win now. do you think adding another unproven rookie, even as potentially awesome as greg oden would make this team a winner.

in my opinion you gotta get the best players when you can get em. we could pass on AI and then end up not getting greg oden, picking 14th and getting a guard with potential ya know.

or we could get AI and still get greg oden next year... you really never know.

all that said im still not sure if i would get AI.

but with crash... sure your losing a defensive perimeter guy, but your gaining 30 points a game at least. hes unstoppable. crash is far from a scoring threat. so you just gotta look at every thing and make a decision.

[ziggy]

FYI... I merged the 2 Iverson topics together.

[ziggy]

the observer is reporting (link on front page) that bernie and jordan are looking into gettin Allen Iverson.
...
Cons:

- Hes gonna come at a big price
- Not only is his salary gonna cut into our surplus, but hes gonna demand some good players in a trade to philly.
- We may have to give up a player like Crash.
- Hes been known to be a locker room cancer. and doesnt get along with coaches(could be a PRO if you ask me)
- doesnt practice hard (who freakin cares)
- it will seriously change our whole line up and sub situations. (which if your gettin blown out by 30 on a reg basis... its not a bad thing)
- really the only cons are his salary and losing players.

Another con to throw into the mix is that AI might not want to be here. I would imagine that at this point in his career that he would want to play for a contender... And even with A.I. we're not at that point yet.
If we acquire him when he doesn't want to be here, he'll probably sulk, underperform and destroy the lockeroom chemistry.

[Jonathanmartin7]

Sorry, I dissagree on all of those cons.
first of all giving up Crash is not bad. He is suicidal, and is not playing near as well as he should be.
As far as him comming at a big price 30 pts a night on a team that has more talent than us, will get more people to come watch and more wins.


I dont think we should make the trade, but If we trade for A.I we most likely lose Wallace and a 1st round pick. If we lose Gerald what perimater defense will we have?
I say keep Wallace. Keep our 1st round pick. Who knows..maybe we'll get the 1st pick overall and have Oden.

Think about this line-up

Felton
Wallace
Morrison
Okafor
Oden

Then think about this line-up

Felton
AI
Morrison
May
Okafor

Which one would you rather have? I'll go with the 1st line-up

yet again we might be able to swap picks with them right now they are just as bad as us.

[dvdbumpus]

yet again we might be able to swap picks with them right now they are just as bad as us.
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I doubt that they would allow a first round pick to go to another team with AI for a first round pick of ours and anything we'd offer, in all honesty.

[Keetch]

If our first round pick is traded or swapped around to get AI, then well, I'm done with this team. I think that would be an outstandingly dumb move.

With this dreadful season under way, at least I can look forward to seeing either Oden, Durant or Noah in a Bobcats jersey next season. I love AI, I really do, but not enough to give up that 1st pick. I'll be just horrified if they do that.

If it works, I'd trade Morrison (Heresy!); he's a great guy and all, but really his defense and reeallly poor shooting are hurting the team; and yet I bet he still has tremendous market value. LOL they couldn't trade AMMO tho because he's on nearly every piece of marketing material they've got....

[csquare016]

I think if we would get iverson, we would maybe start winning a few games. klately we have been losing by like a small margain.

[Jonathanmartin7]

Last loss was by 30 wasn't it?

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Last loss was by 30 wasn't it?
Yes sir.. 20-30-30 over the last 3 games. I think the technical term for whats happening to the Bobcats is "Getting our Asses kicked"

[Mustachio]

no need to worry now. weve been rejected like a fat girl at a middle school prom

[tamburello]

http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/sports/16217601.htm


PHILADELPHIA - For a while Monday, the 76ers were close to solving their Allen Iverson problem.

The Sixers, according to a source, were close to sending Iverson to the Charlotte Bobcats for a package of players Monday afternoon. But Iverson indicated his displeasure with being sent to the Bobcats - the league's newest team, having begun play in 2004 - and the deal died, the source said.

Iverson asked to be traded last week, and a source indicated that he didn't care where he was sent. But that apparently did not extend to the Bobcats, who are struggling to draw fans, and who would have difficulty bringing someone to Charlotte who didn't want to be there, and who would likely make that unhappiness known to the public.

With only a little more than $38 million in player salaries - forward Gerald Wallace is the team's highest-paid player, at just $5.5 million this season - Charlotte is about $15 million below the league's salary cap of $53.1 million and could make a major player acquisition easier than any team in the league.

The Bobcats also have players with short contracts, which fits the Sixers' desires. Philadelphia wants to trade Iverson for players whose deals expire either this season or after the 2007-08 season, when Chris Webber's contract ends and the Sixers expect to finally get under the salary cap.

Charlotte has a few players who fill that bill: veteran guard Brevin Knight, who makes $4.4 million this season on a contract that expires in 2008; forward Melvin Ely, whose $3.3 million contract ends after this season; forward Othella Harrington (2008, $2.2 million this season); and underrated center Primoz Brezec (2008, $2.75 million this season).

Dealing any or all of those players would not affect the Bobcats' core group: guard Raymond Felton, guard Adam Morrison, forward Sean May or center Emeka Okafor. The 24-year-old Wallace, who has become a much-improved player in Charlotte, would be attractive to the Sixers, but he's also part of that core.

At least one team believed the Bobcats were in the driver's seat earlier Monday. "It's Michael (Jordan)'s deal to turn down," said an executive of one team that is involved in the trade discussions, referring to Charlotte's new minority owner.

It is uncertain whether the proposed trade can be resurrected.

By David Aldridge - The Philadelphia Inquirer

If Mr. Aldridge is right, then we won't need to continue this topic anymore. AI is AI, I have also thought he will never show interest to join teams without superstars... like us.

[Mustachio]

the more i think about it, the more i wish he would have come here.

does anyone else think it might have something to do with the fact that BERNIE BICKERSTAFF is the coach here. anyone in the NBA knows bernie is a mediocre at best coach. never won anywhere. so its goes without saying that AI knows who bernie is.

i just think whatever we got aint working. so dealing players to get proven talent is a must at this point. not to mention there are just too many good things to go along with the signing. i mean its a big contract but would be worth it in the increase of fans showing up alone. i cant stand losing like this much longer and something has to be done!.... if theres a guy out there who is proven to get you AT LEAST 25 points a game every night and increase ticket and jersey sales. YOU HAVE TO SIGN HIM.

sure it can backfire in your face and he might be a cancer. but if this franchise is gonna go its whole life not taking chances then ill be done with them right now.


granted it looks like AI made this decision, if our organization had anything to do with it, id be upset. how long are they gonna keep bernie and how long are they gonna be content with mediocrity.

[dav7z]

I dont know what A.Is value is or what we should trade to get him.
All i know we are losing the sting to k.City in thet next week or so.
We need buts in the seats and the only way to do that is win.A.I. or not the Bobcats are going to have to do something. Its less buts at ever game and more pissed off people. The Bobcats need a shot in the arm of some kind by ,Trade, changing coaches,or just go on a winning streak. The one thing for sure is somthing has to happen soon.

[ziggy]

the more i think about it, the more i wish he would have come here.

does anyone else think it might have something to do with the fact that BERNIE BICKERSTAFF is the coach here. anyone in the NBA knows bernie is a mediocre at best coach. never won anywhere. so its goes without saying that AI knows who bernie is.

i just think whatever we got aint working. so dealing players to get proven talent is a must at this point. not to mention there are just too many good things to go along with the signing. i mean its a big contract but would be worth it in the increase of fans showing up alone. i cant stand losing like this much longer and something has to be done!.... if theres a guy out there who is proven to get you AT LEAST 25 points a game every night and increase ticket and jersey sales. YOU HAVE TO SIGN HIM.

sure it can backfire in your face and he might be a cancer. but if this franchise is gonna go its whole life not taking chances then ill be done with them right now.


granted it looks like AI made this decision, if our organization had anything to do with it, id be upset. how long are they gonna keep bernie and how long are they gonna be content with mediocrity.
I agree that we need to do SOMETHING. I don't think that Iverson would have been the right move but the fanbase can't take another year of Bernie coaching this squad to loss after loss, Raymond forced to play out of position, no significant trades and no relevant free agent pickups.

[dvdbumpus]

Yes, I don't want one stud for 3 years that does not make our team better. Give me 2-3 above average players that make our team better - T.J. Ford, Gerald Wallace, etc are guys that make their team better by team play.

I would like James Posey or someone similar to him to come off the bench for us.

[Wallace15]

Yes, I don't want one stud for 3 years that does not make our team better. Give me 2-3 above average players that make our team better - T.J. Ford, Gerald Wallace, etc are guys that make their team better by team play.

I would like James Posey or someone similar to him to come off the bench for us.


If we could get Posey somehow that would be the shit. I've always liked Poseys game.

[buckethead]

no need to worry now. weve been rejected like a fat girl at a middle school prom
I thought that Jordan's presence in the front office was supposed to make it easier for us to recruit players to come here to play. WTF happened to that idea ???

[Jonathanmartin7]

this is a qutoe from an article in the New York times.
The under-capped (14M) Bobcats never wanted Iverson in the first place thus they somehow resisted giving up Sean May, Raymond Felton and Gerald Wallace.

If that is what the sixers were actually offering, I think they'd have had a better chance at getting a 3 way deal between the heat, and magic. Where the heat get AI and the Magic get a 1st round pick. and the sixers get D-wade,Shaq and Howard! Lol sorry just couldn't resist.

[ziggy]

Yahoo is reporting (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=ApvP9hbvGWtF7eUQYuojXog5nYcB?slug=iverso n&prov=st&type=lgns)that A.I. is going to the Nuggets.


BRISTOL, CONNECTICUT (TICKER) -- The Denver Nuggets apparently have won the Allen Iverson sweepstakes.

According to a report on ESPN.com, the Nuggets on Tuesday reached an agreement in principle to acquire the superstar guard from the Philadelphia 76ers.

The report stated that pending league approval, the trade would send guard Andre Miller, forward Joe Smith and a pair of 2007 first-round draft picks to Philadelphia.

[dvdbumpus]

THe 76ers are sitting pretty getting those 2 picks and Andre Miller, who should be a good fit for the team. Joe Smith is a nice expiring contract.

[ziggy]

I'm glad Iverson is going to Denver... I'm afraid that if A.I. hung around long enough that Bernie might have made an offer so dumb that Philly may have taken him up on it.

For some odd reason, I think the combination of Iverson and carmel is going to work out. 'Melo moves well without the ball, and maybe this experience humbled Iverson enough to realize that he doesn't have to shoot the bll 28 times a game.

[dvdbumpus]

It should also help for the fact that AI should be able to trust the other players (melo, J.R. Smith, Camby) and not have to "shoulder the load"