Restructuring the Roster

[tray]

This team is never going to be a winner with the current roster make up.

As much as we may like some players, the team needs to be restructured to get some offensive capability.

We need to be rid of Brezec and Brevin Knight definitely, but the guy who's most in the way of this team winning is the guy who gives his all every night...Gerald Wallace.

I say the team could strike a deal to get something in return for some of those guys in the offseason. We should go after Denver's "J.R. Smith". J.R. Smith is from Durham, NC, and he would definitely give the Bobcats serious consideration. His contract ends at the end of this season.

Your lineup would be:

Felton
J.R. Smith
Adam Morrison
Okafor (May)
Greg Oden (hopefully)

There is some serious young talent to build on there, and some serious offensive ability. But if you take out Joe Smith and move up Adam Morrison to the two, even with Greg Oden, the team still sucks offensively.

Having a real backcourt of a 6'1 Felton & 6'6 Smith, a SF of 6'8 Morrison would be a lethal perimeter threat.

This roster needs to be restructured. Sadly, that means that Wallace has to go if the scenario I just mentioned presents itself, and it could easily:

1) If we suck all season, we could end up with the #1 draft pick and get Greg Oden.
2) J.R. Smith is from Durham so Charlotte could go after him hard.
3) There are some teams out there that would take BK, GW, Primo, Eli, Matt Carroll in different combinations depending on what they needed.

The team needs to be restructured:

Felton
J.R. Smith
Adam Morrison
Okafor
(Oden)

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/jr_smith/index.html?nav=page

http://youtube.com/watch?v=PC9uOj7DHP8&mode=related&search=

http://youtube.com/watch?v=kHesQoJ3QPc&mode=related&search=

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[ziggy]

Welcome back Tray,

Do you have Joe Smith (PF Height: 6-10 Weight: 225) mixed up with Joe Johnson or Josh Smith?

[tray]

Welcome back Tray,

Do you have Joe Smith (PF Height: 6-10 Weight: 225) mixed up with Joe Johnson or Josh Smith?
No, I mixed him up with J.R. Smith. The guy who got to fighting the other night in New York.

JR Smith is from Durham, NC, and has shown a lot of promise over the last two seasons. He's been shipped around recently, from New Orleans to Denver. I think he may be ready to come home now.

With Iverson, Denver may look to ship JR Smith. Bobcats should offer Gerald Wallace and someone else for JR Smith, because Smith could be a star at Shooting Guard in Charlotte between Felton and Morrison.

How's it going, ziggy. I see you fixed the place up a little. When the 'Cats start winning, it's going to get packed in here.

[ziggy]

No, I mixed him up with J.R. Smith. The guy who got to fighting the other night in New York.

Ohhhh OK. If thats the case, then yes I'd move Crash for J.R. Smith. In fact, I think the Bobcats could have got him for less than Wallace if they had seriously pursued him over the summer. This summer New Orleans was begging for someone to take him.


How's it going, ziggy. I see you fixed the place up a little. When the 'Cats start winning, it's going to get packed in here.

The old forum software really, really bugged me. It was lacking in a lot features that I wanted. I bit the bullet and upgraded about a month ago, and I'm glad that I did.

[buckethead]

Hows it going Tray :biggrin:

The only thing that scares me about JR is the attitude. Up until the fight he hasn't been much trouble for the Nuggets because all was going well. My question is, how would he be as a Bobcat having to endure Bernie Bickerstaff's questionable coaching and lame brained rotation patterns. When things don't go well for JR he has a history of sulking and being a malcontent, I could definitely see that happening in this environment.

[dvdbumpus]

I wouldn't blame J.R. for the fight. Mardy Collins had that deutsche bag foul. I think I would get in his face for that too. It was all calm until 'melo came in and stirred the pot.

I don't think we should get rid of Wallace, but relegate him to 6th man duty. He's a vital piece, but as a energy catalyst like a Ben Gordon (except defensively). I think we should keep him, but make him an important piece off the bench. He would be lethal.

J.R. Smith, I've been a fan of him since he came into the league. He's only 21 and will grow up. I think having Okafor and some other young guys that have good personalities will definitely help. Othella Harrington would definitely be useful as an older brother like figure, like he is for the rest of the team.

THe 2 spot is our definite need of improvement, along with the center position. Improve either/both and we'll improve drastically. Get one through the draft, and the other through FA. It all depends on our spot in the draft as well. If we have a top 5, get our big guy, if not, look for a stud shooter then a risk/reward big man.


On a side note, Hello Tray. Never met you before, but HI! I'm a Bobcats fan in the midst of the Lebron/Cavs lovefest here in Central Ohio. Where you from?

[Dead_Real]

Welcome back Tray!

First of all I would do this trade in a minute I've always said Bernie needs to take a chance on some other players we could have got Smith for little to nothing when he left the Hornets but Bernie never took a chance on a player like him who might have some questionable attitude problems but like some others have said he has been great under a veteran coach in Denver so Bernie probaly could handle him as well. Sometimes Bernie has to take a chance on some guys other than choir boys.

Also the combo of Felton and JR Smith would be fun as hell to watch.

[heelfan]

Theres no way that Denver gives him up now. Hes been playing too well, and with an Iverson/Carmelo/J.R. core, they have the tools to make a serious run out west.

Woulda been nice to get him here this summer though.

[tray]

I wouldn't blame J.R. for the fight. Mardy Collins had that deutsche bag foul. I think I would get in his face for that too. It was all calm until 'melo came in and stirred the pot.

I don't think we should get rid of Wallace, but relegate him to 6th man duty. He's a vital piece, but as a energy catalyst like a Ben Gordon (except defensively). I think we should keep him, but make him an important piece off the bench. He would be lethal.

J.R. Smith, I've been a fan of him since he came into the league. He's only 21 and will grow up. I think having Okafor and some other young guys that have good personalities will definitely help. Othella Harrington would definitely be useful as an older brother like figure, like he is for the rest of the team.

THe 2 spot is our definite need of improvement, along with the center position. Improve either/both and we'll improve drastically. Get one through the draft, and the other through FA. It all depends on our spot in the draft as well. If we have a top 5, get our big guy, if not, look for a stud shooter then a risk/reward big man.


On a side note, Hello Tray. Never met you before, but HI! I'm a Bobcats fan in the midst of the Lebron/Cavs lovefest here in Central Ohio. Where you from?
I'm over in Raleigh, NC.

I think Wallace would rather be traded than fall to 6th man status. That's why I say he doesn't fit.

Felton
Smith
Morrison
Okafor
(Oden or a serviceable center who is not Primo) would be a great starting 5 to build a team around.

G. Wallace would rather be traded than a 6th man, I think. I think the Bobcats have more than enough players to shop around to construct a team around the 4 I mentioned, because they could get Smith if they want him (don't know if they'll get Oden).

[tray]

Theres no way that Denver gives him up now. Hes been playing too well, and with an Iverson/Carmelo/J.R. core, they have the tools to make a serious run out west.

Woulda been nice to get him here this summer though.

I think Denver wants to get rid of him, unless Iverson is going to play the point.

I think we could give up Brevin Knight to Denver for JR Smith. Probably Knight and Ely or Primo. I think they'd jump at that.

Hello, all.

[buckethead]

The Nuggets need a backup point guard since they traded away Andre Miller. I'd be willing to deal Brevin and Ely to get JR Smith, but I think its going to take more than that to get him.

[dvdbumpus]

I'm over in Raleigh, NC.

I think Wallace would rather be traded than fall to 6th man status. That's why I say he doesn't fit.
Felton
Smith
Morrison
Okafor
(Oden or a serviceable center who is not Primo) would be a great starting 5 to build a team around.

G. Wallace would rather be traded than a 6th man, I think. I think the Bobcats have more than enough players to shop around to construct a team around the 4 I mentioned, because they could get Smith if they want him (don't know if they'll get Oden).


Wishful thinking.

[heelfan]

I wonder if there are any other teams out there dumb/desperate enough for center, that they would offer us something to take Primoz Brezec off of our hands.
I don't see Primoz being a significant contributer to this team next season if we get an Oden, Thabeet or Noah.

[tray]

I wonder if there are any other teams out there dumb/desperate enough for center, that they would offer us something to take Primoz Brezec off of our hands.
I don't see Primoz being a significant contributer to this team next season if we get an Oden, Thabeet or Noah.


Anyone but Noah. He's not a center in the NBA, and he's worse than Okafor and May.

[tray]

I'm over in Raleigh, NC.

I think Wallace would rather be traded than fall to 6th man status. That's why I say he doesn't fit.
Felton
Smith
Morrison
Okafor
(Oden or a serviceable center who is not Primo) would be a great starting 5 to build a team around.

G. Wallace would rather be traded than a 6th man, I think. I think the Bobcats have more than enough players to shop around to construct a team around the 4 I mentioned, because they could get Smith if they want him (don't know if they'll get Oden).


Wishful thinking.
Getting JR Smith is not "wishful thinking," it's a possibility if the Bobcats' management had a brain. As for Greg Oden, its always a possibility depending on where you land in the lottery. Because there is an NBA lottery, you don't have to be the worst team in the league to get the top pick.

This scenario is possible.

[buckethead]

I just ran across this link (http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/index.php?sty=81021).
It talks about Phoenix Suns interest in BK or Melvin Ely. Moving either/both of those guys would be a good starting point for getting this roster restructured.

[dvdbumpus]

I'm over in Raleigh, NC.

I think Wallace would rather be traded than fall to 6th man status. That's why I say he doesn't fit.
Felton
Smith
Morrison
Okafor
(Oden or a serviceable center who is not Primo) would be a great starting 5 to build a team around.

G. Wallace would rather be traded than a 6th man, I think. I think the Bobcats have more than enough players to shop around to construct a team around the 4 I mentioned, because they could get Smith if they want him (don't know if they'll get Oden).


Wishful thinking.
Getting JR Smith is not "wishful thinking," it's a possibility if the Bobcats' management had a brain. As for Greg Oden, its always a possibility depending on where you land in the lottery. Because there is an NBA lottery, you don't have to be the worst team in the league to get the top pick.

This scenario is possible.


I'm sorry let me rephrase. It would be wishful thinking that Gerald Wallace would be happy to let us use him as a 6th man. I agree that it would be entirely possible, and probable.

Oh, and on your thought of Noah being crap, I agree with you 100%

[ziggy]

In my opinion Joakim Noah doesn't weigh enough to compete at center in the NBA.

Maybe he can change my mind if he gets the best of Greg Oden in this afternoon's Florida/Ohio St. game

[dvdbumpus]

In my opinion Joakim Noah doesn't weigh enough to compete at center in the NBA.

Maybe he can change my mind if he gets the best of Greg Oden in this afternoon's Florida/Ohio St. game



Didn't do anything to impress. Neither did Oden. Get him some more games and the ability to use 2 hands and we'll start talkin.

[dav7z]

I wonder if there are any other teams out there dumb/desperate enough for center, that they would offer us something to take Primoz Brezec off of our hands.
I don't see Primoz being a significant contributer to this team next season if we get an Oden, Thabeet or Noah.


Primoz Brezec is gone next year . I think this is the last year of his contract and as bad as he has played this year. i dont think we could get a high school player for him. I still think Ely has some value but not a lot with his lack of mins.
We have very few players with any trade value. Wallace mabe in a sign and trade. OK50 for a good mid level player, Felton , May, Morrison . The rest very little trade value at all .
But the good news is they are at least 10 players comeing out next year thets is as good as the no 1 pick this year.

[ziggy]

Since Primoz has done next to nothing this season. What do you think about putting him back on the inactive list and giving his minutes to Ryan Hollins... I know hes just a raw athelete, but he can't hurt us any more than Primoz is.

[dav7z]

Since Primoz has done next to nothing this season. What do you think about putting him back on the inactive list and giving his minutes to Ryan Hollins... I know hes just a raw athelete, but he can't hurt us any more than Primoz is.
You mean MATCH STICK MAN thats what my wife calls him. He needs to get a chance to show what he can do . As tall as this guy is and the way he can jump [ They say he can jump over the backboard ] Primoz or Ely who gets no mins any way needs to give Hollins a chance. HELL he may be a diamond in the rough.

[dvdbumpus]

I'd love to see him play, but I don't see him coming off the inactive list until after the all star break. Similar to what Felton did, but to a harsher degree. Either that or if a biggy gets hurt, and with the ones we've got, who knows ::)


I doubt Hollins would be replaced by Hollins, largely in part because he's another one of "Bernie's guys" and we all know he loves his veterans!

[Slam]

I haven't been around in a while (love what you have done with the place ziggy, it looks tight) but it's good to see that some things never change.

Tray is still going on and on about that over rated, high self opinionated little punk JR Smith and calling him the next coming.

A line up of Smith and Ammo would give up 120pts per night. It would be like playing the Suns every single night. They are both defensively challenged and streaky on offense to say the LEAST!!

With the whispers that Gerald Green is on the block, I thought Tray would be screaming his name from the mountain tops because at one stage he wanted us to trade the whole team along with any future 1st round pick we ever owned for him!!

While I agree that Green would be fantastic here, we would be stupid to sell our souls for him.

The big thing we need is help for EO50. McMay has been solid of late but like everyone on the team not nammed Felton and Okafor (and Wallace when it comes to help D only) McMay SUCKS on D.

We still need a Steven Hunter/Stro Swift/Diop/Sene type to help out our big guy.

Next year if we can walk away with Oden or Durant it would be a great draft.

If we could walk away with either Oden and Durant AND Marcus Williams from Arizona, I might just pee my pants!!

[ziggy]

I haven't been around in a while (love what you have done with the place ziggy, it looks tight) but it's good to see that some things never change.
Thanks for the compliment Slam :biggrin: About a month ago I bit the bullet and changed out the forum software. It was well worth it in my opinion. Good to have you back!!!

I've been listening to some of those Gerald Green rumblings too, and I can't imagine that Doc Rivers and Danny Ainge would be crazy enough to trade him away. In another 2 years this kid is going to be an All-Star. With that being said I wouldn't give up any of our 1st round picks or Emeka, Ray or Adam for him. But I would give up Wallace, only because I get the feeling that the Bobcats aren't going to pony up the big bucks to sign Crash at the end of this season anyway.

[Slam]

Good to be back mate.

I agree with Green - the kid is going to be a bonified super star. Love his game, love his attitude, love his upbringing (all things JR Smith fail miserably at).

Like you, I wouldn't give up our core of Felts, EO50 or Felts away to get him and like you I am pretty worried about where we will stand with Crash over the summer.

He's either going to want to play for a bigger market team, have Top Bpb not willing to pay him what he is worth or even worse, over pay for him.

I wonder if the Celts would do:

Green, Ratliff and a 1st round pick (unprotected)

for

Crash and Ely?

They need a PF to compliment Jefferson and Perkins, PP and Crash would me amazing together and they give up the pick to get rid of Ratliff's massive contract.

[dvdbumpus]

Good to be back mate.

I agree with Green - the kid is going to be a bonified super star. Love his game, love his attitude, love his upbringing (all things JR Smith fail miserably at).

Like you, I wouldn't give up our core of Felts, EO50 or Felts away to get him and like you I am pretty worried about where we will stand with Crash over the summer.

He's either going to want to play for a bigger market team, have Top Bpb not willing to pay him what he is worth or even worse, over pay for him.

I wonder if the Celts would do:

Green, Ratliff and a 1st round pick (unprotected)

for

Crash and Ely?

They need a PF to compliment Jefferson and Perkins, PP and Crash would me amazing together and they give up the pick to get rid of Ratliff's massive contract.



I think the Celts would want more. I'd say they'd go after Primo or May to go along with crash for Green, Ratliff and the pick. I wouldn't do that.

Get me Kevin Martin.