Matt Carroll's role.

[dvdbumpus]

He's seemed to deem himself worthy of a 6th man/starting gig with his performances of late. He provides the spark, the outside shot, and the consistant jumper we've been lacking at the 2. Does anyone feel Matt and Adam deserve to split the role as the starting 2? Once Brevin comes back he's definitely out a starting gig, Wallace fills the role of SF nicely, May/Okafor man the PF spot like studs, and Okafor/everyone else at the C. I almost forgot the big one - RAYMOND IS THE STARTING PG!!

So all in all, does anyone agree with me that Matt/Ammo should be our starters, with the person performing better starting? I've also enjoyed when both of them are on the floor, because Matt seems to take pressure off of Ammo and lets him calm down and get into a groove.

IMO, Matt has been a godsend for us from what he's provided. Steady production and a versatile guy.

P.S. On another note, I've enjoyed Matt's lack of turnovers. He's averaging .8 TO's per game. I thoroughly enjoy that stat.

[dav7z]

Anderson is the one who shuld come off the beanch.
Matt if he had a starting role and 30 mins per game . He would ave 20pts per game. Morrison is good to and can score you 10pts in 5 mins . Hes a great lift coming in off the beanch. But Morrison shuld start til Wallace comes back...

[ziggy]

With Crash being out, I actually like both Adam and Matt in the starting lineup at the same time. Matt at SG and Adam at SF. You run into trouble however when you have a high powered offensive minded SF on the opposing team.

[dvdbumpus]

With Crash being out, I actually like both Adam and Matt in the starting lineup at the same time. Matt at SG and Adam at SF. You run into trouble however when you have a high powered offensive minded SF on the opposing team.




Definitely true. The big names that come to mind here are Lebron and Caron Butler. Both can light up at any moment, and are in need of a crash to defend them. Adam did, however, shut down Lebron earlier in the year.

[Slam]

The ongoing stellar play of the Hammer (it's nothing new, he's been doing it here the moment we picked him up from the D) has made the need for Ammo redundant.

We should look to trade Ammo post haste and cash in while we still can.

[ziggy]

The ongoing stellar play of the Hammer (it's nothing new, he's been doing it here the moment we picked him up from the D) has made the need for Ammo redundant.

We should look to trade Ammo post haste and cash in while we still can.

Its waaaaaaaaaaaay to early to consider trading away Adam. Just 30 games into the season, hes barely scratched the surface of the player that hes going to become.

We know that Matt is and will always be solid, but he won't be a star. Adam might be a star down the road.

[dav7z]

ZIGGY i agree and disagree with you.
Right now Matt is better in every aspect of the game. And if give 30 mins a game he will ave 20pts at worst. He could be a star if given the chance. He can get his shot off quicker than Dell curry. I allso think its a better shot than Curry.He all so handles the ball and draws fouls better than Dell.
Morrison is a scorer if hes on he can drop 15 on you in a few mins.
His defence has to and will get better. Hes a rookie a could be a star once he becomes more consistant.
But right now Matt is the better player.

[ziggy]

I'm 98% in agreement with you :P

The way that I view it, If the Bobcats were making a legitimate run this season, then I would use Matt as my starting SG and give him the bulk of the minutes, because today, he is the superior player.

But when we're making a run two or three years from now ( I hope ), Matt won't be able to hold a candle to what I believe Adam will become.

Right now Adam seems to be on maybe 1/2 or 1/3 of the games. I'd imagine that next season he'll become more consistant and be on 2/3 of the games, the season out of that maybe 3/4 of the games.

[Slam]

Adam Morrison will only ever be a 6th man and can never log big time mins.

He's too much of a defensive liability.

If all he is ever going to be is an impact bench player, then I'd rather have the Hammer for that role who is a hell of a lot cheaper and a hell of a lot more effective.

If we trade Ammo now we have a chance to get at least equal value back.

The Hammer wouldn't attract that great a deal.

That being the case it would make MUCH more sense to retain the Hammer and trade Ammo.

Make sense?

[dvdbumpus]

Isn't Matt Carroll just as much of a defensive liability with a lower ceiling than AMMO?

[tamburello]

OMG! Trading Adam? After 31 matches? He played only one game with new ball. Give him more time to adjust NBA lifestyle.

About Matt, I have some mixed ideas. Yes, he's playing awesome this season, especially in last few weeks. But could he be one season wonder? He's in his contract year, 26 years old, maybe this is last chance of him(since he's playing for Bobcats). He has to play well if he wants to guarantee a spot in the league for a few more years. If goes on like this, he'll sign a contract about MLE next year. With us, or with another team.

For now, I'm enthusiastic about the idea of starting Adam and Matt toogether. But once Gerald comes back, Matt should go to bench again IMHO. If Adam plays horrible, I'd put Matt on the floor in crunch time. If not, I'd split the time between them.

[Slam]

About Matt, I have some mixed ideas. Yes, he's playing awesome this season, especially in last few weeks. But could he be one season wonder? He's in his contract year, 26 years old, maybe this is last chance of him(since he's playing for Bobcats). He has to play well if he wants to guarantee a spot in the league for a few more years. If goes on like this, he'll sign a contract about MLE next year. With us, or with another team.

Don't paint the Hammers current form out as an abnormality.
He's scored the 2nd most pts in the entire state of PA - 2nd only to Kobe.
He was the D-League's MVP which lead us to pick him up.
When ever he has been given PT, he has delivered.
He never pisses, moans or complains.
He is ALWAYS ready to play and doesn't need time to get a feel for the game, he just subs in and starts producing.
The only reason that he's only done it in spurts in the past is because BB has had his pets (http://toys-for-pets.net)like Slay, Rush and more recently played Felts out of position at the 2 and the Hammer has been burried in the depth chart - even though he is the most suited as the 2.


OMG! Trading Adam? After 31 matches? He played only one game with new ball. Give him more time to adjust NBA lifestyle.I fail to see what the ball has to do with anything. Considering Ammo has never played comp with with a leather ball in his life, he should have been more comfortable with the composite ball


For now, I'm enthusiastic about the idea of starting Adam and Matt toogether.So other teams can score 200pts on us a game? We can only play these two together for limited mins because as Bumpus said, they are both defensive liabilities.

It's not about me not liking Ammo or not seeing his potential, it's about balance and what's better for the team. If we traded Ammo we would more than likely get something of equal value back - a young stud with potential, a high draft pick, you get the idea. If we traded the Hammer we would more than likely get much less back.

Having them both on the roster does not make sense.

And no, I don't think the Hammer should start. He serves a much greater purpose coming off the bench as an impact player - just like Ammo. So what's the point in having two of those?

Shouldn't we concentrate on a starting 5 first??

[tamburello]

I never complained about Matt Carroll's work ethic. And I know that he was co-MVP of NBDL with Cory Alexander when we acquired him. But each player would be boosted at contract year. That's quite normal. Nothing against Matt.

Morrison and Matt are same type guys, I know. They have defensive liabilities, I know. They are completely same at many aspects. What I mean by mentioning "starting together" is just until Gerald's comeback, which is likely to happen in 1 or 2 matches. For long term, of course it's expendable.

Suppose that we traded Morrison. We'll start Matt until end of the season. But he'll be a free-agent and I'm sure Bob Johnson won't give him enough money to keep. Because he's playing for at least MLE now.

And I don't mean that after old ball's coming, Morrison will score 35 a night. I just tried to say it's too early to comment in another way. He needs time, just like other rookies.

Maybe you'll be right, Big Slam. But I prefer to wait until the end of season to make any further comments.

[dav7z]

Isn't Matt Carroll just as much of a defensive liability with a lower ceiling than AMMO?

Bumpus you must not go to many games Matt is GOOD defender no not a all srat defender . But hes better than ave in the league.

Starters shuld be Matt yes Matt , Morrison, May. ok50 ,Felton.
And when B.K. comes back he shuld come off the beanch to give felton a blow.
And when Wallace comes back he shuld come off the beanch for thease reasons
his health mabe comeing off the beanch would add lenth to his carer.
The other reason is hes the only one who can play the 2,3,4 with out a drop off. Have him play at the end of the the game for match up reasons..........

[Jonathanmartin7]

I'd split the time between them. I wouldn't trade Adam away until he's at least had 2 season's to get used to the life style and flow of the NBA game. I really think he's going to be an All star in the future, I also think that he is getting better NOW on D. He'll be much better next year and the year after. Especialy if we get a coach that can do just that coach.

[dvdbumpus]

Isn't Matt Carroll just as much of a defensive liability with a lower ceiling than AMMO?

Bumpus you must not go to many games Matt is GOOD defender no not a all srat defender . But hes better than ave in the league

You're right, Unfortunately I do not. I have never actually been to a cats game, just watched as many as possible on TV. It's hard when I live in Ohio, in the domain of Lebron. I have to go to my work (Best Buy) which has Direct tv and watch the games there when I can.

I'm gonna go to a cavs home game and watch them play - I'll be the lone orange shirted guy in a crowd of anderson varajao wigs.

[dav7z]

Hate to hrar you cant go to all the games .but hope you have fun in the cavs game. Watch MATTS OVER ALL GAMEnot just his shot whitch i think is better tham Dell Crrrys, The catch and shoot is one of ithe quickest ive seen .
They will have him on king James he want stop him but that give you a idea...
1. What should Matts role be.
2. Does anyone have a quicker release than Matt in the league.

[Slam]

Watch MATTS OVER ALL GAME not just his shot whitch i think is better tham Dell Crrrys, The catch and shoot is one of ithe quickest ive seen .
They will have him on king James he want stop him but that give you a idea...

1. What should Matts role be.
2. Does anyone have a quicker release than Matt in the league.



The Hammer will not play on James - Crash will.

And I agree - his shot is "blink of the eye" quick. He's quicker than Redd at getting a shot off and his acuracy with it which considering how quick Redd is is quite amazing.

That is just another thing he has over Ammo. Although Ammo has a better release point (it's higher) he takes too long to get it off allowing his defender to close on him and disrupte him.

The Hammer gets it off so quick that it makes defending his shot (unless you are right up in his grill before he even gets the ball) next to impossible to do

[Dead_Real]

The numbers don't lie with extended minutes Carroll produces which is something I haven't seen from Ammo yet. With 33 minutes in Minn. he put up 28 and 27 against the Lakers why isn't he getting consistent minutes is the question I must ask with 20+ a night he could be averaging more than just 9.3 a game.

Start Matt over Ammo!

[Keetch]

Matt's awesome when he plays within his limits and strengths, which seems to be spotting up on the perimeter off picks and screens for open looks. He's deadly when he's able to face up and shoot open shots.

But he's not one to create his own shot and really shouldn't dribble it too much. During the recent Wolves game he came apart at the end by dribbling/driving underneath (and getting stuffed bad) and then dribbling it around the key and throwing it away to a cutter that was cutting the opposite direction of Matt's pass. I think that he'd had such an awesome game that at crunch time he thought he could take the game home himself. :P Who knows...but it didn't work out.

I think Matt's great, and gives the Bobcats a dangerous outside shooter.

Of course, its definitely better for Ray and Matt to be on the court than Ray and DA...When those 2 are announced at the beginning of the game, I just have to drop my head be sad.....

[Slam]

1. The Hammer was fouled hard on that drive by THREE Wolves players in the paint and there was no call (which is typical when our young guy's drive - they rarely get calls).

2. It was McMay that rolled to the wrong direction on that post up (he rolled right to the middle instead of to the left to the base). It's a play we use quite often. We clog the middle of the paint, post either EO50, McMay, Crash and sometimes Ely up on the weak side and have them spin baseline for an uncontested lay up.

[ziggy]

This isn't a knock against Matt by any stretch, but it troubles me that on a team with 4 lottery picks along with Gerald Wallace that the player that is our go-to guy ( and with his play he IS desrving of it ) is a guy that we snagged out of the NBDL.

Does this bug anybody else, or is it just me???

[Slam]

This isn't a knock against Matt by any stretch, but it troubles me that on a team with 4 lottery picks along with Gerald Wallace that the player that is our go-to guy ( and with his play he IS desrving of it ) is a guy that we snagged out of the NBDL.

Does this bug anybody else, or is it just me???




It bothers me more that after 3 years, 4 lotto picks (three of which were top 5), two summers of free agency and opportunity to trade that we STILL don't have a starting 5.

[dvdbumpus]

I don't care where they came from, as long as they can produce.

I think a lot of the reason we don't have a starting 5 is because of injuries, our age, and Bernie being stupid about who deserves to start.

I find it funny how when Raymond starts he produces better than both Chris Paul or Deron Williams. It just shows how stupid Bernie is.

[123together]

matt carroll should start at SG until we find someone better for next year like the aformentioned richard roby (colorado) compared to allan houston. Carroll is wet from everywhere, only if adam morrison was as efficient as matt carroll is

[dougcoats]

Every team in the nba needs a fine gentleman such as matt carroll. he may not be the most flashy player, but he exhudes a confidence that lets other players know he is no joke. his j is unmatched on the bobcats roster and deserves to be in the lineup when down w/ less than 2 minutes to play so he can hit that big shot. also he is better than his brother, pat.

[Dead_Real]

This isn't a knock against Matt by any stretch, but it troubles me that on a team with 4 lottery picks along with Gerald Wallace that the player that is our go-to guy ( and with his play he IS desrving of it ) is a guy that we snagged out of the NBDL.

Does this bug anybody else, or is it just me???



It doesn't bother me one bit because we have picked up a solid core of players in previous drafts. I agree with what Slam stated about not having a legit starting five worries me more than anything.

[dav7z]

Dead i agree we need a liget starting five . All this crap started with BERNIE trying to play a Felton , B,K back court, and has screwed up the whole season.