A deal with the Nets is almost done.

[Slam]

McInnis

for

Brj.

Hopefully they are including a 2nd round pick.

[dvdbumpus]

Brj as in the only Brj I can think of, as in, Bernard Robinson?? if so, I'll pack his bags. Hopefully we can send Ely and finagle a first rounder out of them too. :biggrin:

Oh, and might you have a source?

[dvdbumpus]

Never mind, found it!

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2717921&campaign=rss&source=NBAHeadlines

[dvdbumpus]

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[ziggy]

Bernard Robinson... And thats it ??? Amazing.

[tamburello]

I'll be looking forward to see the happy news as soon as possible. We'll get rid of Brj and his ttwo year contract. And after that, we still have Ely as a trade piece to move. Just let it flow, Bernie.

[Slam]

I'll be looking forward to see the happy news as soon as possible. We'll get rid of Brj and his ttwo year contract. And after that, we still have Ely as a trade piece to move. Just let it flow, Bernie.


Brj only earns $1 mil a year so it's not like his contract is a burdon to us but I do agree - doing this deal hopefully means that we will move Ely for something more substantial at a later date.

Ely and Knight
for
Marcus Banks, James Jones and a pick works for me!!

[Jonathanmartin7]

I'll be looking forward to see the happy news as soon as possible. We'll get rid of Brj and his ttwo year contract. And after that, we still have Ely as a trade piece to move. Just let it flow, Bernie.

Sounds like a great deal. Just let it flow? almost sounds like somebody not bashing Bernie.

[Slam]

It's done. No picks or extra players involved, just some cash.

Brj
for
McCancer

We got hosed on this one (again)

::)

[dav7z]

I would have liked a second round pick to .

what you got hear is nothing for nothing in this trade.
We get a point and out of a 2nd year contract with B-rob
They get rid or 3. 3 on JEFF and dont have to pay lux tax for him
It just sounds to me like two teams taking out the trash...........

[Slam]

Except we have just given the Nets a get out of jail free card by allowing them to give up a player who:

1. Was told not to even report this year (even though they were having to pay him)
2. Would have cost them clost to $8 mil in salary and luxury tax penalties

For us it's taking out the trash but for the Nets it's a huge savings without having to give up a thing in return.

We got hosed.

[dav7z]

You said we got cash two , Bet anything Bob johnson likes the deal . LOL

[dvdbumpus]

Yep. It's official.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AubQ0qQ2WQ21d60igZqiHGu8vLYF?slug=ap-nets-bobcatstrade&prov=ap&type=lgns

I like the deal. We get rid of B-rob and his 2 year contract. As long as Mcinnis stays in check(being a 1 year deal he definitely will to impress teams). It's also his home so he'll probably be happier too, I know if my family lived where i worked I would be.

Besides, after this year he's gone opening up a couple more bucks for Free Agency/finding someone better. Here's the biggest upside to the deal:

IT ALLOWS BREVIN TO BECOME EXPENDABLE!!!!!!

[Slam]

1. How does it make Brevin expendable? If we did trade Knight and McInnis is to leave at the end of season because his contract is up - wouldn't that put us in an even worse situation?

2. Considering we are currently about $20 million under the cap I don't think that clearing McInnis' $3 mil coming off the books will have that greater impact on our flexability when it comes to signing a FA this summer.

[dvdbumpus]

1. How does it make Brevin expendable? If we did trade Knight and McInnis is to leave at the end of season because his contract is up - wouldn't that put us in an even worse situation?

2. Considering we are currently about $20 million under the cap I don't think that clearing McInnis' $3 mil coming off the books will have that greater impact on our flexability when it comes to signing a FA this summer.


Both are FA at the end of the season. At least Mcinnis knows his role. We are NOT re-signing Brevin to his team option of 4.2 mil. He wants to start, and be on a contender. If we don't trade him he'll walk regardless. Having the 3 mil, Bernard, and Brevin off the books means salary strap bob will sign someone with his extra 8 mil, and with the extra money we can get improved role players and spend ELSEWHERE :biggrin:

Any extra money that we have will be a help when we are as cash strapped as this team is.

All in all, we trade high on Brevin or lose him in FA, or we attempt to keep a player who wants to start when we have a star in the making. OR we can sign a risk/reward player who NEEDS to prove himself or call it a career, get rid of BR(near worthless), and start a potential flow of talent in here when these players leave. I'd rather get rid of Mcinnis/Brevin/Ely and trade/sign/draft better players after this year is over. When they leave, however, is the question.

And let's not forget, trading BRj was not a loss. People vying for a 2nd rounder as well, lest we forget how worthless Bernard was? That horrid jump shot and patented never working spin move. I've also read that everyone thought he was a bully and not really a team guy.

[dav7z]

I agree Bumpus its a good trade. This team will look a lot different next year. As far as im concerned we dont have over SEVEN keepers.
And getting rid of B rob helps get rid of some dead wood,

ANY ONE WANT B.K. PIIZMOZ , ELY, in a trade or be willing to Harrington off our hands . Harrington has another year left to.

[dvdbumpus]

Players I see as "keepers" to potentials

Matt
Raymond
Emeka
Gerald
Ammo
McMay
Hollins - potential man
Draft Pick


I see 4-5 guys being adjusted into the lineup, either by trade, drafting, FA, or resigning.

Replaced:
Derek Anderson
Jeff Mcinnis
Melvin Ely

Possibly gone(trade or decline of option)
Brevin
Primoz

[ziggy]

It's done. No picks or extra players involved, just some cash.

Brj
for
McCancer

We got hosed on this one (again)

::)

Maybe we could have squeezed a 2nd round pick out of the Nets... But I'm just glad that I don't have to see Bernard's funky and inneffective spin move in a Bobcats uniform ever again.

[dvdbumpus]

It's done. No picks or extra players involved, just some cash.

Brj
for
McCancer

We got hosed on this one (again)

::)

Maybe we could have squeezed a 2nd round pick out of the Nets... But I'm just glad that I don't have to see Bernard's funky and inneffective spin move in a Bobcats uniform ever again.


Once again, amen to that.

[dav7z]

Players I see as "keepers" to potentials

Matt
Raymond
Emeka
Gerald
Ammo
McMay
Hollins - potential man
Draft Pick







Bump you just named my 7 keepers and even named the draft pick.. Olden would nice . But if we dont get Olden we need a center in this years draft..We need to resign Matt and Wallace . I think the other 5 has some contract left. We should be able to sign at least two stars and rest role players next year with that truck load of cap space, With that being said we could cotend for the champion ship the year after next.

[Jonathanmartin7]

Think the trade helps more than it hurts.
I'm not sure I'd put wallace in with my keepers.

I know he had an outstanding year last year and all, but dang it he's like Dan Morgan of the Panthers. Loads and Loads of potential, but always hurt.

[ziggy]

I know he had an outstanding year last year and all, but dang it he's like Dan Morgan of the Panthers. Loads and Loads of potential, but always hurt.

Gerald Wallace = Dan Morgan
Thats the best comparison that I've seen. Sooner or later Gerald is going to take one of those wicked falls and never be the same level of player again. I'd rather get equal value for him now instead of nothing later.

[dvdbumpus]

I know he had an outstanding year last year and all, but dang it he's like Dan Morgan of the Panthers. Loads and Loads of potential, but always hurt.

Gerald Wallace = Dan Morgan
Thats the best comparison that I've seen. Sooner or later Gerald is going to take one of those wicked falls and never be the same level of player again. I'd rather get equal value for him now instead of nothing later.


Agreed, but lately with how he's been it's such a hard thing to give him up.

[dav7z]

Agreed, but lately with how he's been it's such a hard thing to give him up.
[/quote]
I say hes a keeper a spark off the beanch 25 mins a game or so. Belive me he can do a lot in 25 mins . Hes not top dollar long term contract though. Hs a upper mid four no more than 3 years . whit a team opt. for a 4th.

[Slam]

Agreed, but lately with how he's been it's such a hard thing to give him up.

I say hes a keeper a spark off the beanch 25 mins a game or so. Belive me he can do a lot in 25 mins . Hes not top dollar long term contract though. Hs a upper mid four no more than 3 years . whit a team opt. for a 4th.
[/quote]

Maybe THE most floolish thing I have read since being back here.

So you are suggesting that Crash's new contract should be for less than he is currently being paid and that he is only useful for 25mpg even though he is our heart and soul, a team captain, achieved something that only 2 other players in the history of the NBA has done, is only 24 and is just starting to come into his prime?

I can't believe what I am reading here.

[dav7z]

Slam surely you dont know much about this . A shoulder seperation ITS NOT LIKE A BROKE ARM OR A ANKEE SPRING. Once the arm seperates the first time its giing to happen again and again til wou have seregy. Each time it comes out of joint the muscle around get loser and breaks down. The seregy calls for about a 3/4 inch screw to hold the joint toghter. After seregy it takes about six months to get to start moving the arm good again . Even with that you never have the same range of motion. And even with seregy it may not fix the problem.
I know about this because ive had over 50 shoulder seperations and three sergerys on my right shoulder.
Sorry SLAM but the mins and the way Wallace plays is going to have to be cut back or HES going to have a very short carer.

Hope im just stupid. But i think i know a little about a shoulder seperation.

[dav7z]

SO SLAM YOU SAYING GIVE HIM A 89 MIL CONTRACT LET HIM FINISH HIS CARER IN ONE YEAR. AND LET HIM SIT ON THE BEANCH FOR THE 4 YEARS.
AND YOU SAID I SOUND FOOLISH.

[Slam]

1. It's a partial seperation that does not require surgery. The main root cause of his injury is the rib contusion he suffered from Foster sitting on him.

There was no ligament damage, no structural, compound or socket damage. What you are talking about is more than a seperation, more than a dislocation, more like an extensive shoulder dislocation with extreme ligament damage.

A shoulder separation is an injury to the acromioclavicular joint on the top of the shoulder. The shoulder joint is formed at the junction of three bones: the collarbone (clavicle), the shoulder blade (scapula), and the arm bone (humerus). The scapula and clavicle form the socket of the joint, and the humerus has a round head that fits within this socket.

Is a shoulder separation the same as a shoulder dislocation?
No! These two injuries are commonly confused, but they are very different conditions. As described above, the shoulder joint is located at the junction of three different bones: the clavicle, the scapula, and the humerus.

In a shoulder separation, the junction of the clavicle and scapula is disrupted. In a shoulder dislocation, the humerus (arm bone) is displaced from the socket. Not only are the injuries different in anatomic terms, but the implications for treatment, recovery, and complications are also different.

Crash sufferd a mild Type I Shoulder Separation meaning an injury to the capsule that surrounds the AC joint. The bones are not out of position and the primary symptom is pain.

What you are talking about is a Type VI Shoulder Separation which is exceedingly rare. In this type of injury the clavicle is pushed downwards, and becomes lodged below the corocoid (part of the scapula)

AND

Who the hell said $89 million over 5 years?

You want to pay him $18 mil a year? Are you out of your cotton picking mind?

He has a player option for the final year of his contract for $6 mil and to resign him you expect to get him for $4.5 a year? Not only is he not worth that little, it's an insult to him and what he has done for us.

If he could remain healthy he would be a $10 mil a year player (keep in mind, the contracts of other like level players dictate the market and Josh Howard, Tayshaun Prince and Boris Diaw have all recently signed $10 mill dollar mutil year contracts).

Crash is worth $8 mil ranging to $10 mill a year over 5.

Simple as that.

P.S. Based on your logic, Amare is worth only a buck 20 because he has just come back from a career ending surgery. What about Chris Paul? He's out for a month with an ankle. Maybe we will be able to pick him up for the league minimum? Or Yao, should be able to grab him for about $500,000 a year?

[dav7z]

So i see you read up on dislocation a little. I SAW the sholder when it HAPPEN. You can call it a seperation if you want. But his arm was dislocated . If you watched the game you could see it with your own eyes. And yes once it gets put back in joint the pain is not that bad.Hell mine would come out of joint at work and me and my boss would put back in joint. And i would keep working. The reason Wallace is wareing that sholder brace is to give the mussles and ligaments time to heal other wise he shuld be playing .
You the one who said i was foolish to offer him so little. Sounded like you wanted to give him a L.J. contract,
So i still say a 4 year contract With 5th year team opt. at 8 mil per year.If he wants or gets more than that let some one else have him .
And yes im still saying watch his mins he gets hurt way to often.

[Slam]

I saw the injury.

If it was the way you are portraying it to be he would have been shut down and be put under the knife and have pins put in it by now, not out for 10 days.

[ziggy]

Its true that the shoulder looked real abnormal after the injury, but all we have to go on is the information that the Bobcats staff is willing to release about it. Right now they say it isn't that bad... But these are the same people that were telling us that it was an ankle sprain that caused Emeka to miss 50 games last year. I'm still not buying that one ::)

It wouldn't shock me if they were BSing us about the severity of the injury.

[dvdbumpus]

Its true that the shoulder looked real abnormal after the injury, but all we have to go on is the information that the Bobcats staff is willing to release about it. Right now they say it isn't that bad... But these are the same people that were telling us that it was an ankle sprain that caused Emeka to miss 50 games last year. I'm still not buying that one ::)

It wouldn't shock me if they were BSing us about the severity of the injury.




Maybe they're Bs'ing with Brevin's injury and he's gone for the year?

[ziggy]

Maybe they're Bs'ing with Brevin's injury and he's gone for the year?

That wouldn't shock me either. :-\ I think hes going to stay injured just long enough to screw up any potential trade possibilities.

[dvdbumpus]

Maybe they're Bs'ing with Brevin's injury and he's gone for the year?

That wouldn't shock me either. :-\ I think hes going to stay injured just long enough to screw up any potential trade possibilities.


On Bernie's or his behalf?

[ziggy]

A side note on the Bernard Robinson / Jeff Mcinnis trade.

Chris Sheridan is reporting that the Nets could have had Walter Hermann (http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=2720104&searchName=sheridan_chris&campaign=rsssrch&source=chris_sheridan&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fesp n%2fblog%2findex%3fentryID%3d2720104%26searchName% 3dsheridan_chris%26campaign%3drsssrch%26source%3dc hris_sheridan) instead of Bernard. With that being the case, I'm a little surprised that they didn't take Walter

[Mustachio]

haha SLAM very nice. Crash is worth at least 8-10 mil a season. hes as good if not better than most of the players slam mentioned of his same prototype and is in fact the heart and soul of this team. he is hustle and hard work and the under dog. unless we get a crazy ridiculous deal for him, i hope he stays a bobcat as long as he wants.


as for the bernard jeff trade. ive been trying to hold off on it, cause i dont know but its all kinda pissing me off.

first off, Bernie drafted this guy, secondly he played for him while in washington, so bernie CLEARLY has a hard on for a player no other team can seem to live with.

Bernies croneyism is hurting this team. starting players like brevin and signing players like jeff mcinnis and kevin burleson just because he likes the guys. not because they are good ball players.

granted there is no real downfall to losing bernard and we needed a point guard. but the freakin NETS stand to gain so much from this its not funny. Bernie the genius just saved the Nets 5 million dollars in cap space. Money that they can now use to help keep Vince Carter in their uniform. Vince Carter was one of the free agents people were speculating we would make a run for. but bernie goes and make this brilliant move giving them the upper hand. ive been ok with most of his GM decisions and was kind of excited to see that we got anything out of B-rob. But moves like this do nothing for us and was absolutely unnessacary. especially with a guy like jay williams floating around for much cheaper.

i dont neccesarily want vince carter here, but its just not smart to put yourself in that position and to show your hand. Now if we wanted Vince or wanted to run the market up on him so that his contract would hurt another team, Bernie made it harder by making it more possible for the Nets to resign him.

i hope i get proven wrong.

[Mustachio]

also apparently they were interested in Melvin Ely. i would have been pissed if bernie would have gotten mcinnis for Ely.



Charlotte became interested in McInnis after its point guard, Brevin Knight, tore an abdominal muscle, an injury that is expected to keep him out for about a month. The Nets were originally interested in forward Melvin Ely, but the teams could not agree on a deal.

Robinson, a third-year player, is expected to report to the Nets today.


heres the link to all this http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/04/sports/basketball/04nets.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

[ziggy]

haha SLAM very nice. Crash is worth at least 8-10 mil a season. hes as good if not better than most of the players slam mentioned of his same prototype and is in fact the heart and soul of this team. he is hustle and hard work and the under dog. unless we get a crazy ridiculous deal for him, i hope he stays a bobcat as long as he wants.


as for the bernard jeff trade. ive been trying to hold off on it, cause i dont know but its all kinda pissing me off.

first off, Bernie drafted this guy, secondly he played for him while in washington, so bernie CLEARLY has a hard on for a player no other team can seem to live with.

Bernies croneyism is hurting this team. starting players like brevin and signing players like jeff mcinnis and kevin burleson just because he likes the guys. not because they are good ball players.

granted there is no real downfall to losing bernard and we needed a point guard. but the freakin NETS stand to gain so much from this its not funny. Bernie the genius just saved the Nets 5 million dollars in cap space. Money that they can now use to help keep Vince Carter in their uniform. Vince Carter was one of the free agents people were speculating we would make a run for. but bernie goes and make this brilliant move giving them the upper hand. ive been ok with most of his GM decisions and was kind of excited to see that we got anything out of B-rob. But moves like this do nothing for us and was absolutely unnessacary. especially with a guy like jay williams floating around for much cheaper.

i dont neccesarily want vince carter here, but its just not smart to put yourself in that position and to show your hand. Now if we wanted Vince or wanted to run the market up on him so that his contract would hurt another team, Bernie made it harder by making it more possible for the Nets to resign him.

i hope i get proven wrong.




Excellent points Mustachio.
Initially I was excited about getting anything for B-Rob myself, but the more that I think about it, We did more to help New Jersey's cap situation than we did to help the talent level on our team.