Morrison thread

[dav7z]

Its ALL STAR break time and by now we should have some iidea about the kind of player Adam Morrison is going to be.
1 Do tou think hes a good pick
2 Hes a better player than thought
3 Hes not as good as thought.
4 Is he a player we should get rid of while he still has value.
5 Be a ALL STAR player in a year or two.
6 Is he a big flop .
THOUGHTS

[ziggy]

With last year's draft being so weak, I still think Adam was a good pick. You could make an argument that Brandon Roy was a better pick, but hes had his own injury issues which in my opinion raise a red flag

There are things that Adam needs to improve on, namely defense, ball handling and getting physically stronger, but areas that I've been pleasantly surprised with are his passing and his ability to get his shot off whenever he wants it. Right now, the shots aren't dropping, but that will come in time.

I also believe that Adam in particular and some of the other players in general will show significant improvement once we get better coaching... Honestly, who has Bernie Bickerstaff and the rest of his staff really "coached up" and improved over the last 3 seasons?

I still think he was a good pick, but he can't excel in this environment of erratic minutes and crappy coaching.

Good thread Dave. :)

[Slam]

1 No - he has no right to be a top 10 pick in any draft
2 No - thought he was over hyped and would struggle in the NBA and he has
3 No - he is worse than I thought. I at least thought he would hit open J's
4 Yes - but he has no value what so ever.
5 No - not so long as his ass points to the ground.
6 Yes - and the rest of the NBA is laughing at us.

[ziggy]

1 No - he has no right to be a top 10 pick in any draft
2 No - thought he was over hyped and would struggle in the NBA and he has
3 No - he is worse than I thought. I at least thought he would hit open J's
4 Yes - but he has no value what so ever.
5 No - not so long as his ass points to the ground.
6 Yes - and the rest of the NBA is laughing at us.

Slam, I don't see nything in Adam's game that can't be corrected with more time in the weight room, more time in the gym and DECENT COACHING.
He is by far not the reason that other teams might be laughing at us.

[Slam]

1 No - he has no right to be a top 10 pick in any draft
2 No - thought he was over hyped and would struggle in the NBA and he has
3 No - he is worse than I thought. I at least thought he would hit open J's
4 Yes - but he has no value what so ever.
5 No - not so long as his ass points to the ground.
6 Yes - and the rest of the NBA is laughing at us.

Slam, I don't see nything in Adam's game that can't be corrected with more time in the weight room, more time in the gym and DECENT COACHING.
He is by far not the reason that other teams might be laughing at us.



Zig, you know I respect your opinion a lot, but you are way off if you think that time and muscle is all it's going to take to improve Ammo.

He'll never play D. Never.

He might actually "try" one day many years from now, but even then, it wont be good enough. He's a 30mpg type player at best because he only plays one end. You have to keep subbing him out down the stretch of a close game because he is a liability.

He's never going faster. He's not going to get smarter (must admit he is already a super smart ball player though). He's not going to do anything more than he already does other than maybe hit at a better clip.

What more could any coach do to improve Ammo? He gets open looks. He gets iso's. He gets the ball in the post. He's been given the golden ticket and can't come up.

Dont want to hear that he is a rookie and blah, blah, blah. That's BS. Granted I don't expect him to come in and set the world on fire, but I expect him to at least look ike he knows what he is doing. To at least look like he has a chance.

I found this interesting in a Durant Vs Oden piece when talking about a players "basement"

"But lost in the upside/ceiling talk is a concept I believe is far more important when judging a potential draft pick's NBA impact: the "basement."

Barring injury, what is the worst-case scenario for a prospect's NBA chances?

The captain of the All-Basement Team is obviously Michael Olowokandi. The Kandiman is arguably the biggest draft bust of his generation and serves as a cautionary tale for anyone thinking of drafting an unproven big man from a small school.

Another basement example: During the 2002 draft, every commentator was too busy touting Mike Dunleavy's alleged Larry Bird ceiling (too ridiculous to even comment on) without analyzing what his basement might be. Fact of the matter is there were legitimate concerns about Dunleavy's foot-speed and his ability to athletically adapt to the next level. Now, he's done underachieving for the Golden State Warriors and is continuing his struggles for the Indiana Pacers."

Replace the name Dunleavy with Morrison.

Morrison is Dunleavy V.2

I just hope management don't get fooled like the GSW's did and throw the money at him that Dunleavy had.

[123together]

I honestly am shocked at the lack of production from morrison right now. He seems to be able to do what he wants to do on offense, he just misses shots. he misses open threes, floaters in the lane and is a poor finisher around the goal. its frustrating because we all know he can make those shots but he just isn't making them right now. hopefully that will turn around and he'll be able to shoot 45% some day and be a decent scoring threat. i think it will come in a year or two.

[ziggy]

1 No - he has no right to be a top 10 pick in any draft
2 No - thought he was over hyped and would struggle in the NBA and he has
3 No - he is worse than I thought. I at least thought he would hit open J's
4 Yes - but he has no value what so ever.
5 No - not so long as his ass points to the ground.
6 Yes - and the rest of the NBA is laughing at us.

Slam, I don't see nything in Adam's game that can't be corrected with more time in the weight room, more time in the gym and DECENT COACHING.
He is by far not the reason that other teams might be laughing at us.



Zig, you know I respect your opinion a lot, but you are way off if you think that time and muscle is all it's going to take to improve Ammo.

He'll never play D. Never.

He might actually "try" one day many years from now, but even then, it wont be good enough. He's a 30mpg type player at best because he only plays one end. You have to keep subbing him out down the stretch of a close game because he is a liability.

He's never going faster. He's not going to get smarter (must admit he is already a super smart ball player though). He's not going to do anything more than he already does other than maybe hit at a better clip.

What more could any coach do to improve Ammo? He gets open looks. He gets iso's. He gets the ball in the post. He's been given the golden ticket and can't come up.

Dont want to hear that he is a rookie and blah, blah, blah. That's BS. Granted I don't expect him to come in and set the world on fire, but I expect him to at least look ike he knows what he is doing. To at least look like he has a chance.

I found this interesting in a Durant Vs Oden piece when talking about a players "basement"

"But lost in the upside/ceiling talk is a concept I believe is far more important when judging a potential draft pick's NBA impact: the "basement."

Barring injury, what is the worst-case scenario for a prospect's NBA chances?

The captain of the All-Basement Team is obviously Michael Olowokandi. The Kandiman is arguably the biggest draft bust of his generation and serves as a cautionary tale for anyone thinking of drafting an unproven big man from a small school.

Another basement example: During the 2002 draft, every commentator was too busy touting Mike Dunleavy's alleged Larry Bird ceiling (too ridiculous to even comment on) without analyzing what his basement might be. Fact of the matter is there were legitimate concerns about Dunleavy's foot-speed and his ability to athletically adapt to the next level. Now, he's done underachieving for the Golden State Warriors and is continuing his struggles for the Indiana Pacers."

Replace the name Dunleavy with Morrison.

Morrison is Dunleavy V.2

I just hope management don't get fooled like the GSW's did and throw the money at him that Dunleavy had.
Defense is an obvious problem, I can't argue with you on that, but the right coach that can do 2 things can get that solved fairly quickly.
* First they have to be able to coach him up on the defensive end. To my eye, it looks like Adam's defensive problems aren't related to foot speed or athleticism, he just contantly seems to be out of position. If the coaches can't itake a player and make him a better player, then what good are they.
* Second the coach has to be willing to put his foot squarely in Adam's ass when he isn't working hard enough on the defensive end. If he isn't giving 100% on the defensive end, then the coach needs to make sure that his ass is firmly rooted on the bench until he gets the point.
Plus, he still needs time. If hes putting up the same type of numbers by the end of his 2nd season, then I'll be the first to admit that drafting him was a mistake.

[Slam]

*If the coaches can't itake a player and make him a better player, then what good are they.

You can't make a peanut butter sandwhich out of cow shit.

[dvdbumpus]

Its ALL STAR break time and by now we should have some iidea about the kind of player Adam Morrison is going to be.
1 Do tou think hes a good pick
2 Hes a better player than thought
3 Hes not as good as thought.
4 Is he a player we should get rid of while he still has value.
5 Be a ALL STAR player in a year or two.
6 Is he a big flop .
THOUGHTS


1. He's potentially a good pick. I would have preferred Rudy Gay instead
2. No, but I can't make an informed decison until year 2-3
3. He's not as good of a player right off the bat as thought
4. Yes, depending on what we can get
5. He will not be an all star, but potentially a higher tier player
6. So far, somewhat, but based on the draft's weakness and so on so forth, it wasn't a bad pick.

[Mustachio]

Big slam i think your usually right on, smart guy good insight. but your killin me with the morrison talk. your killin him and hes a rookie.

he is not a bust.
simply because there are only 2 players you would have taken other than him in that draft and they arent blowing the world up.

sure i wish he came in and we won a championship with him... but that doesnt happen.

he will be an upper level player, get off his jock.

[ziggy]

*If the coaches can't itake a player and make him a better player, then what good are they.

You can't make a peanut butter sandwhich out of cow shit.

True... but quality coaching should be able to take a rookie thats played half a season that averages 13ppg, shoots 37% from the field and is a poor defender and by his 3rd season, turn him into a 17ppg scorer that shoots 44% from the field and is an average defender (which in today's NBA is a borderline All-Star).
Until we get some quality coaching, we'll never truly know what we have with our young players.

[Dead_Real]

Ammo is playing with more confidence and desire as of late loving what I'm seeing he'll win ROY if he continues to play more consistent.

[AUando]

Ammo is a basketball player, but yeah he's a young guy at the same time. He is learning every night and frankly I am really impressed with his learning curve. Some guys don't learn to play defense at all....ie, Vince Carter. He has to work on his mobility and be able to guard small forwards, but let's give him some time to work on that. He is a scorer and there is no doubt he will be a top scorer in years to come. As far as defense goes, it will take time, but if he is dedicated to his craft like I think he is, he will get better. Bottom line is, he is going to be a GREAT player and will improve on both sides of the ball year after year.

[Fromage]

I think his D has improved considerably over the past few weeks. This guys is right on track. Hope he's still cooking tonight.

[Dead_Real]

If he learns to shoot the ball more consistantly the entire 4 quarters he'll be fine can't wait to see how he plays tonight against Philly where going to need him.

[ziggy]

I think his D has improved considerably over the past few weeks. This guys is right on track. Hope he's still cooking tonight.
I've noticed that Adam is showing more effort on the defensive end lately also. The first few weeks of the season his man was taking him at will, now hes putting up more of a fight.

[dvdbumpus]

I think his D has improved considerably over the past few weeks. This guys is right on track. Hope he's still cooking tonight.
I've noticed that Adam is showing more effort on the defensive end lately also. The first few weeks of the season his man was taking him at will, now hes putting up more of a fight.


If the effort is there, defense usually will come to a player. Hopefully he keeps it up, because with some seasoning and effort, he should be average defensively: I'm fine with that from him.