Ely traded for Eric Williams (Spurs)

[Slam]

Just another non-event in the trading history of the Bobcats.

[ziggy]

2.6ppg and 0.9rpg and hes 34 or 35 years old... Nice work Bernie :banghead:

[dvdbumpus]

wow. I can't believe we got so little in return for him. We couldn't score a 2nd round pick from anyone at all??



Just another non-event in the trading history of the Bobcats.



yep. This trade seems familiar to the Lonny Baxter trade. WHat does he bring to the team? Metamucil?

[ziggy]

According to this link from the Charlotte Observer (http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/sports/basketball/nba/charlotte_bobcats/16689620.htm) we're also receiving a 2009 second round pick and cash compensation.

I'm so sick of these non-event trades. Dealing one scrub and receiving another in return.

[tamburello]

Spurs' 2009 2nd round pick will likely be about 55-60. I agree, nice job Bernie. :mad: :mad: :mad:

[dav7z]

[ Another great trade for us we just rape thease teams out of thair best players for nothing]. It does remind you of the Baxter deal. Hell it dont much matter Ely never got to play this year any way. I WISH ELY THE BEST and hope he does good for the spurs . He deserves another chance and is a much better player than numbers say hes done this year.

[CaptainCrunch]

i like the 09 second round pick we got out of this

[dvdbumpus]

Well cash and a 2nd rounder makes it not quite as bad as initially thought.

I guarantee these items get packaged for a larger deal at the draft.

[Slam]

Spurs' 2009 2nd round pick will likely be about 55-60

which is the equivilent of signing an undrafted rookie FA.

[ziggy]

Spurs' 2009 2nd round pick will likely be about 55-60

which is the equivilent of signing an undrafted rookie FA.

Which leads me to believe that cheapskate Bob Johnson and company made the move specifically for the "Cash considerations" that they received.

If they awarded championships based on who had the most cap space, We would be a dynasty :(

[dvdbumpus]

I wonder if Bob, Bernie, or Michael initiated the trade.

[Mustachio]

this has got to be about a deadline deal or a draft time deal eric williams brings nothing to this team,

[dav7z]

I think it was done to give Ely another chance[ good luck Mel] Its a trade that means nothing like SLAM said . We get a late 2nd rounder which is no better than a free agent draft pick.
Good Luck Ely thats the only reason i dont mind this.

[Slam]

I wonder if Bob, Bernie, or Michael initiated the trade.

Jordan signs off on all deals.

I guess this is how he "spends like a champion"?

[ziggy]

I wonder if Bob, Bernie, or Michael initiated the trade.

Jordan signs off on all deals.

I guess this is how he "spends like a champion"?

Slam, I just sent you a PM

It seems as though this deal was done as a personal favor to benefit Melvin Ely. but its time that the Bobcats front office start making deals that are solely for the benefit of our win/loss column.

[dvdbumpus]

Agreed. I'm tired of trades not being treated as a business.

When I read Bernie asked Brevin if he wanted to stay here, or go to a contender....actually ASKING the player what he'd like to do for the franchise instead of accepting what's given, I about fell off the floor.

Brevin's thoughts:

"Hmm, I can either be the starter for a coach that loves me, which in turn will lead to a larger contract somewhere else eventually....OR I can be at the back of the roster of some championship team that will never play me which will equal less money somewhere else. Hell, I might not even win that championship! I'll take the money and coach man-love"

[spectre]

It seems as though this deal was done as a personal favor to benefit Melvin Ely. but its time that the Bobcats front office start making deals that are solely for the benefit of our win/loss column.

Yup, agreed. We're only a 3rd year franchise and have way too little assets to always be the "good guy". Though 2nds (actual 2nds...not a pick or so away from undrafted) aren't usually worth that much they are great fillers for a bigger trade.

We will have a bigger trade one day...right?

BTW, 1st post...nice site Ziggy.

[ziggy]

It seems as though this deal was done as a personal favor to benefit Melvin Ely. but its time that the Bobcats front office start making deals that are solely for the benefit of our win/loss column.

Yup, agreed. We're only a 3rd year franchise and have way too little assets to always be the "good guy". Though 2nds (actual 2nds...not a pick or so away from undrafted) aren't usually worth that much they are great fillers for a bigger trade.

We will have a bigger trade one day...right?

BTW, 1st post...nice site Ziggy.


Thanks spectre :biggrin: and Welcome to BobcatsPlanet!
Feel free to make yourself at home.

[dav7z]

BUMP i understand what you saying . and i agree with you a 100 per cent deals l;ike that cant just be made. Im glad for Ely after the crap Bernies put him through . But the favor crap has to stop


BTW nice post and welcome to the board.

[dav7z]

sorry nice post spectre

[dvdbumpus]

Welcome to the board spectre!

Agreed.

[buckethead]

Agreed. I'm tired of trades not being treated as a business.

When I read Bernie asked Brevin if he wanted to stay here, or go to a contender....actually ASKING the player what he'd like to do for the franchise instead of accepting what's given, I about fell off the floor.

Brevin's thoughts:

"Hmm, I can either be the starter for a coach that loves me, which in turn will lead to a larger contract somewhere else eventually....OR I can be at the back of the roster of some championship team that will never play me which will equal less money somewhere else. Hell, I might not even win that championship! I'll take the money and coach man-love"

Letting Brevin veto a trade last season still pisses my off :blowup:
I've always been in favor of letting Bernie Bickerstaff stick around as GM, but useless deals like this that have NO benefits to the Bobcats make hope that they fire him from both jobs.

[DaFlameking]

dude. i went beserk when i saw this trade on the bobcats official site. ytf are you trading for lower ranked players. Is your mind rotting or something.

This trade that we sent Ely off for a worse player is gonna make Ely win a ring, just like Bernie made Kapono win a ring.

[tamburello]

I'm not sure if someone has mentioned before but I've just learned that we acquired the originally Hornets' pick. Not as bad as I thought. But still this trade sucks.


The San Antonio Spurs acquired Melvin Ely from the Charlotte Bobcats for Eric Williams and New Orleans own 2009 2nd round pick to Charlotte via Toronto and San Antonio.

http://www.realgm.com/src_recent_transactions/2007/02/

[ziggy]

I'm not sure if someone has mentioned before but I've just learned that we acquired the originally Hornets' pick. Not as bad as I thought. But still this trade sucks.


The San Antonio Spurs acquired Melvin Ely from the Charlotte Bobcats for Eric Williams and New Orleans own 2009 2nd round pick to Charlotte via Toronto and San Antonio.

http://www.realgm.com/src_recent_transactions/2007/02/
That makes the deal a little better, but still not as good of a deal that we could have had if we dealt him last season :-\

[spectre]

I'm not sure if someone has mentioned before but I've just learned that we acquired the originally Hornets' pick. Not as bad as I thought. But still this trade sucks.


The San Antonio Spurs acquired Melvin Ely from the Charlotte Bobcats for Eric Williams and New Orleans own 2009 2nd round pick to Charlotte via Toronto and San Antonio.

http://www.realgm.com/src_recent_transactions/2007/02/
That makes the deal a little better, but still not as good of a deal that we could have had if we dealt him last season :-\


Agreed on that Zig, but the Hornet's 2nd is far and away better than the SAS 2nd...this year we're talking 43rd vs. 58th.

If Bernie was looking to deal him he should have given him more PT, simple as that. We're probably lucky to get what we did.

[rallydurham]

Ugh, you guys are really failing to see the bigger picture here. The deal was good for us. Don't be so quick to jump on Bernie's back if you aren't going to take the time to analyze the deal correctly.

Let me refer you to Rick Bonnell's blog on the trade:


It's not about Eric Williams
I received an e-mail or two today asking why the Bobcats would want Eric Williams.

What makes you think that trade Tuesday was about Eric Williams?

The trade, from the Bobcats perspective, was moving Melvin Ely for a second-round pick. Williams $4.3 million salary had to be included in the deal to balance off Elys $3.3 million. The Spurs will compensate the Bobcats for the difference in the two salaries, pro-rated for the rest of the season.

Williams is at the end of his career. If he helps, then fine. If he doesnt, then his contract expires at the end of the season, and the Bobcats bank a 2009 second-round pick. This trade wont be of great benefit or a great detriment, however it works out.

It really came down to this: Ely wasnt playing and wasnt happy. His trade value was virtually non-existent. The Bobcats werent going to re-sign him so they took a second-round pick for him now, rather than wait until July and get nothing.

[ziggy]

At this point a mid 2nd round pick was the best that we could do. My problem is the timing of the trade, they should have made a deal last year when Mel had some value. It was clear then that he would never get any serious minutes playing behind Emeka or Sean.

[Mustachio]

i wish we would have just gotten the pick... eric williams blows.

i also wish we facilitated a trade and gave up some quick cap space before the deadline... we could have squeezed a draft pick out of someone in this very deep draft and helped the team better than getting eric williams. but bernies GMing has been aight so ill let it lay... maybe he didnt get anyoffers

[rallydurham]

^ That isn't possible.

We couldn't get the pick without taking Eric Williams in return. You have to make the salaries match and the salary value of a draft pick is $0.00

Ely had another year on his deal. Eric Williams deal expires at the end of this season. We just freed up $3.3 million for next years salary cap and we received a 2nd round pick.

It was a good trade, period. Perhaps we could have gotten more for him last year but with May's future uncertain maybe we thought we could use him more.

The only trade I really wish we could take back was the Zaza Pachulia trade. He definitely could have given us some valuable minutes the past two years.

[Slam]

Ely DOESN'T have a year left on his contract - he signed the QO last summer making him an UFA at the end of this season.

And Ely would be getting more burn this year than that fat sack McMay is getting at the moment with his arse firmly planted on the pine in his lounge suit.

[rallydurham]

you're right, my mistake he would be a UFA at the end of the season.

Anyway, what's the problem? We got a 2nd round pick for free. How is that a bad thing?