Who Wants Vince Carter?

[dvdbumpus]

Think about it.

PG: Raymond
SG: Vinsanity
SF: Crash
PF: okafor or draft
C: Okafor or draft

Largely it hinges on what we pick up in the draft. If we can get Oden, definitely grab Carter and keep Crash.

If we get Durant, however, sign either VC or Crash.

[ziggy]

I'd like to have Vince at SG, but I'm not willing to invest a max contract to get him.
Vince is about 31 and players like him that rely on their athleticism usually have a signifcant drop off in production right about.......... Now.

[CaptainCrunch]

Draft Durant, resign G-Force and sign Vince Carter and win the NBA championship in 3 years

[123together]

if we could somehow sign carter for 3 years that would be awesome. he would be out of his contract at 34 and would just be beginning to decline. if we can sign him to a shorter deal and give us a perennial all star, we should do it.

[dav7z]

I would like to have Vince to . But i wouldnt want to go over 4years with a team opt for a 5th..
I still look to see Jamison . Hes going to be a BOBCAT great vetran leader ship at a reduced price. He will be great coming off the beanch and starting if some one is hurt . Good player at a cheap price . HES COMING HOME

[Mustachio]

you guys do realize the NBA allows players that DID NOT attend the university of north carolina to play for the bobcats right?

[sc0Nes]

you guys do realize the NBA allows players that DID NOT attend the university of north carolina to play for the bobcats right?


haha seriously! i honestly would not want vince on the team. this has not been his best year and he is getting O-L-D-E-R. plus he just doesn't seem to win much, especially in playoffs.

[dvdbumpus]

I would like to have Vince to . But i wouldnt want to go over 4years with a team opt for a 5th..
I still look to see Jamison . Hes going to be a BOBCAT great vetran leader ship at a reduced price. He will be great coming off the beanch and starting if some one is hurt . Good player at a cheap price . HES COMING HOME


Jamison would be a great replacement of Sean May (unless he miraculously is healed) and could play the PF position while Okafor is the biggy.

Crash and Okafor's defense will counter Jamison's so-so defense, all the while his offense will boost both of their's. It'd be good to have players compliment each other so well (on paper).

[Dead_Real]

I would like to have Vince to . But i wouldnt want to go over 4years with a team opt for a 5th..
I still look to see Jamison . Hes going to be a BOBCAT great vetran leader ship at a reduced price. He will be great coming off the beanch and starting if some one is hurt . Good player at a cheap price . HES COMING HOME

Not to long ago I read that he wanted to play here or something along those lines.

[Slam]

I'd have him - but not for $15 mil a year.

I'd take him for a front loaded contract starting at 11 reducing every season

[tamburello]

I'd have him - but not for $15 mil a year.

I'd take him for a front loaded contract starting at 11 reducing every season

If he accepts that, I'd happily do it. But it's unlikely that he'll give up on 16 millions and settle for 11 millions which will lessen in the following years.

[Mustachio]

id much rather spend money on a guy like Rashard lewis than an aging Vince Carter and a downright average Jamison. Neither guys have been leaders or winners in their respective careers.

saying that id still take VC. seems like a decent dude and can still play at a very high level. i dont even think age is killin him as much as it could be really. hes got a few more left in him.

but im just sayin if were gonna pay a huge salary... put it on someone whos young and up and coming. someone we know can score points and someone we can count on. not a couple of guys who might be past their prime.

[dav7z]

I agree with you about spending money on Lewis over Carter.
But Jameison is going to be cheap . you right hes average or a little better .
The thing that makes Jameison so atractive , is his leader ship skills and hes not out to make a killing. IM just guessing but i bet we could sign him for 4 mil or less per year on a short term contract.

[Mustachio]

i gotcha im cool with jamison for cheap... and vince too..... but rashard would be even better.

[Slam]

I'd have him - but not for $15 mil a year.

I'd take him for a front loaded contract starting at 11 reducing every season

If he accepts that, I'd happily do it. But it's unlikely that he'll give up on 16 millions and settle for 11 millions which will lessen in the following years.


Not if you consider the options.

Let's say he doesn't opt out and takes his $16 mil. Lets say his numbers and effect on a game drops off by this time next year or that there isn't the money for teams like us to spend.

Then he might price himself out.

Dude is almost 32 (I think). Anyone who signs him to a max 5 year deal is off their dial.

You want to be paying him $16 mil when he is 37?

[dvdbumpus]

Vince carter just turned 30 on January 26th.

[dav7z]

If Jameison wanted any where near that its no way i would sign him . You right hes about 32 . 3or4 years at 4 mil per mil would land him i think .
I think hes about ready to retire and wants to finish at home.

[dvdbumpus]

If Jameison wanted any where near that its no way i would sign him . You right hes about 32 . 3or4 years at 4 mil per mil would land him i think .
I think hes about ready to retire and wants to finish at home.


I hope so, but just think, Jerome James makes 6 million a year.

Vince Carter >>>>>> Jerome James.

[tamburello]

I'd have him - but not for $15 mil a year.

I'd take him for a front loaded contract starting at 11 reducing every season

If he accepts that, I'd happily do it. But it's unlikely that he'll give up on 16 millions and settle for 11 millions which will lessen in the following years.


Not if you consider the options.

Let's say he doesn't opt out and takes his $16 mil. Lets say his numbers and effect on a game drops off by this time next year or that there isn't the money for teams like us to spend.

Then he might price himself out.

Dude is almost 32 (I think). Anyone who signs him to a max 5 year deal is off their dial.

You want to be paying him $16 mil when he is 37?

Of course not, but I just don't think that he'll decline dramatically in one year. There wouldn't be so much difference for him to be free agent either this year or next year IMO.

In Carter's situation, Kidd's future will also be a factor. If Kidd is traded before deadline, Carter's effect on floor may drop by half in the second half of the season. If his value decreases, he may not opt out. Kidd is the most important factor on Carter's boosted stats.

[rallydurham]

Look guys lets be serious here. It's a waste of time & energy to pretend that any of these guys are going for below market value.

There is absolutely no way Carter goes for less than 5 years, $70 million this offseason. In fact, I'd expect him to be 5 years, $80 million. He's not at the point in his career where he'd even settle for a midlevel exception to go to a contender. The man wants to get paid. The bidding will likely be between Charlotte, Orlando, and NJN... maybe someone else has enough cap space/interest to get in the mix that I don't know about... If we landed Carter at this price I would be pretty excited. We need shooting AND scoring badly and Carter would provide both. Sure he might not be worth his salary 4-5 seasons from now but he would provide us a huge expiring contract that could garner some younger decent talent through a trade.

Antawn Jamison will easily get $5 years, $50 million and likely 5 years, $60-65 million. Washington will make a serious effort to re-sign him (esp if they put up a good fight in the playoffs) and we will also throw some big bills at him if we miss out on Carter and/or Lewis. Jamison is a terrific offensive player which we sorely lack, but we'd be ridiculously undersized if we put him and Okafor at PF/C. I think Jamsion COULD work out in a bobcats uni, but there are some lineup issues if we do get him...

I think we'll make a play for Rashard Lewis if we cant land Carter/Jamison and I'm not sure Seattle is willing to pay for him (they have a lot of issues with ownership/arena financing right now). I have a feeling they'd lay him off to us in exchange for a trade exception much like the way Indiana moved Peja to NO/Okl last offseason.

The upside to Rashard is that he is younger. The downside is that he has always been a 2nd banana, is injury prone, and doesn't have a killer instinct.

[ziggy]

I want no part of Vince at 5 years for 80 million. Years 4 and 5, hes going to be done as a top level player.

I'd much rather have Jamison at 5/50 or Rashard Lewis at something comparable.

[rallydurham]

Eh, if he gives us three strong years and we make the playoffs all three I'll be okay if he doesn't play at an elite level in year four.

Year five he becomes a valuable trading commodity (~$18 million expiring deal) or we just have a down year.

You gotta pay to play. It's not everyday an elite player that can sell tickets comes along on the FA market. I don't love Carter but he definitely fills our needs better than anyone else that will likely be available.

People think of Carter as a leaper and athlete but fail to realize what a great jump shooter he has become. Jump shooting is usually the last thing to go.

[Slam]

I'd rather trade for JRich, who is younger and cheaper than Carter, than sell the farm on a dude like Carter.

I'd also rather wait for a guy like Iggy to get to the end of his rookie contract and throw money at him rather than Carter.

I just don't like the idea of paying over the top for a guy of Carters age - although he would put bums in seats.

[rallydurham]

#1) Igoudala won't be available. That's a pipedream and not really worth mentioning. Philly isn't letting him leave as a free agent that's for sure.

#2) Jason Richardson has 4 years, $51 million left on his deal. He's more injury prone than Vince Carter and not as good as Vince Carter. Also, we'd have to give up a commodity in order to work the trade out with Golden State. If we go after Vince as a FA we don't have to trade away anything.

[Slam]

1. Read my post again - it says a guy LIKE Iggy.

2. in 10 years Carter has had 5 seasons of 60 or less games.

In 5 years Richardson has (excluding this season) had a year of less than 72 games.

Richardson isn't as good as Carter? Apart from FT's, in what way? Richardson is also a lot younger and about to head into his prime where as Carter is headed for the twighlight of his career.

You might be suprised at what the GSW's would accept for Richardson without having to take contracts back. I bet the Raps pick and McMay would be a soild start and might get them to bite.

Sure Richardson has 51 and 4 left on his contract, but I'd MUCH rather that on the book than the 90 and 5 that Carter might want/get.

Woudln't you?????

[dvdbumpus]

Getting J-Rich would be awesome because his value is low, the Warriors have excess guards that are more than capable, is a guard version of Crash, and can shoot the 3.

I would love to have him on the team.

May, Morrison, and the spurs pick would get them talkin.

They're near the salary cap, so we have plenty of cash to spend.

[ziggy]

If you throw J-Rich in the mix this off season, then I would order my wishlist like this:

1. J-Rich
2. Rashard Lewis
3. Antowain Jamison
4. Vince

[dvdbumpus]

If you throw J-Rich in the mix this off season, then I would order my wishlist like this:

1. J-Rich
2. Rashard Lewis
3. Antowain Jamison
4. Vince


I agree with you with all but one.

Instead:

#2 Resign Wallace

[rallydurham]

Just passing on the latest from SI...



There was a lot of talk about the Bobcats becoming a big free-agent player this summer after co-owner Michael Jordan sent a letter to his ticket-holders promising to increase the payroll.

"I don't believe this talk that Charlotte is going to spend its cap space this summer to sign Vince Carter,'' a Western Conference exec said. "They still must re-up [Emeka] Okafor, and they've still got to decide what to do with Gerald Wallace. They're losing millions with the lowest payroll in the league. I think Vince Carter is going to end up in New York. The concern throughout the league is money, and New York and the Lakers are two of the teams that don't have to worry about that.


I'm cool either way. I think Vince is a decent investment but he's definitely risky. I just think he'd make the Bobcats instantly relevant and that is a risk I'd be willing to take.

[King Taharqa]

People would love Vince being here the 1st year. But after the reality sets in that adding him wont get us out of the 1st round, people would quickly grow tired. Vince has never won anything, he's not gonna make us 1 of the top 4 eastern teams if he comes here, so giving him the house would be a mistake IMO. I'd rather take a chance on Rashard Lewis, but even before that, re-sign G Force and think about extending Okafor. The best thing this organization can do in the offseason is bring in a better head coach (hopefully one who stresses team D).

[rallydurham]

Vince has never been on a very good team...

He did take the 76ers (who made it to the FInals) to 7 games in the 2nd round one year but then T-mac defected through free agency and the Raps were never competitive again

We're missing two things. A center and a scorer. I say grab Vince but I'm not sure our financial situation will allow us to... we need to start selling some tickets

[Slam]

The Nets don't have talent?

[dvdbumpus]

The Nets don't have talent?


They have some, but not much.

Hassan Adams - bench player at best

Josh Boone - Potential but raw and has had problems with passion.

Vince - well, it's VC

Jason Collins - please.

Eddie House - 7th - 8th man at best

Mile Ilic - huh? ill-lick?

Richard Jefferson - Good, but can't carry a team and season enders 2 of last 3 years.

Jason Kidd - Stud, but he's nearly 34 and has shabby knees

Nenad Krstic - decent with some more upside, but he's done for the year

Mikki Moore 0 ::) I can't take anyone with the name Mikki seriously.

Bostjan Nachbar - next.

Bernard Robinson - Best spin movejump hook super secret special shot that won't go in move. ::)

Clifford Robinson - Get the metamucil, please.

Marcus Williams - I like him. He could be a good replacement for Kidd. He could also be a bum that has had off-court issues and conditioning problems.

Antoine Wright - ??? I know nothing of this dude.

[dav7z]

Im sorry but i changed my mind at his age its no way hes worht a 100mil . I WAS THINKING MORE A LONG THE LINES OF 4 years 60 mil at best.

[spectre]

Is the assumption that we'd have to offer VC 5 (or 6 if we do a S&T) just to get him to come to Charlotte?

I read the other day that the Nets' President said he really wanted to hang onto him, and the contract that they were contemplating was around 3 years, 13-14 each.

What if we did 3 at 45-50? He shouldn't be going downhill in 2 years and in the 3rd he'd be an expiring. This way we'd only be paying for "prime" VC.

[rallydurham]

I really doubt Vince will sign for less than 5 years.

He knows he wont be in his prime 3 years from now and he wont be able to get another big deal.

He's going to want a 5 year deal, this is his last big contract no way he's dumb enough to take 3

[dvdbumpus]

I changed my mind, I would like him until he was about 33 and dead weight. If I could find some way out of that, I certainly would. Give me Lewis and make him learn defense...hell if the pistons players can learn it, we can.

[dav7z]

I dont think either one is worth a 100 mil. I THINK ONLY A FOOL WOULD GIVE EITHER ONE OF THOSE TWO A 100 MIL

[Mustachio]

vince carter has never lived up to his own legend. hes a great dunker and an exciting player... but hes not worth that much money.

plain and simple hes not the answer for the bobcats. hes already past his prime... which was while he was in toronto if you ask me. and hes never been a winner.

100 million is so outrageous its not funny. this isnt gonna happen.

[Slam]

Signing Carter, Lewis (or anyone for that matter) for that amount of coin would cripple the franchise and no doubt lead to busting up our core of EO50, Crash and Felts.

I'm not feeling that at all.

If I'm going to spend $18 million, I'd want to spread it across 2 or 3 players - not just one

[Mustachio]

and thats exactly what i hope they do big slam..... i dont want jordan to spend money just to appease fans... so he can say sorry we didnt win... but i spent money just like you wanted.

i think we sign some key guys that are young and grow with us.... keep drafting well and build a solid starting core.

in my opinion theres not many star free agents that push us over the top... so why spend the money on em.

[Slam]

I've been thinking the same thing Mustachio. I have a real fear that with all this noise that MJ has been making about promising to spend money, we are going to end up with some bad contracts that might weigh us down for years (like Simmons with the Bucks, Hughes with the Cavs etc).

I want change, I want improvement, but I don't want black holes of contracts and guy's that can't live up to them.

[dav7z]

Well put guys was exactly the same things i was thinking, We all want to use the cap money but we dont just want to through it away.

[tamburello]

I have parallel thoughts with all you, I wish we won't bury zillions to a bust(I don't mean an exact name, like Carter or Lewis). Our "building through draft" strategy worked generally well, although some arguably wrong choices(not much doubt on May, but still early to decide on Morrison). And the decision to follow cheaper FA's will support our strategy.

However, I cannot reassure myself that we'd be able to sign 2 or 3 very quality MLE players. That's also a risk. Recall Marcus Banks, Brian Cardinal, Stromile Swift and the other MLE busts. Their teams maybe will never get rid of these contracts. How can we guarantee that Varejao will be playing as tough as now after signing deal? That's not because I personally hate Varejao(Brazil-Turkey rivalry has been so intense in last 4-5 years). Because he is a physical player as Gerald Wallace. You'll agree, signing these kind of players are always risky.

What I mean is that when you sign 2-3 players, there is little chance that each one will match the expectations.

[Slam]

You drop $18 mil on one guy and he doesn't work out - you're stuck with him.

You spend $8-$10 mil on two guy's and if one doesn't work out he's easier to move.

[rallydurham]

I just think its odd that you'd rather spend $10 mil a piece on guys like Darko, Bobby Simmons, etc than $18 million on Vince Carter.

The guy is a perennial 25 ppg, 6 reb, 4 ast, 1 stl.... he shoots the three ball well, has a good FG% for a guard, and is a big game player.

Not to mention the revenue and excitement he'd generate as well as filling our biggest position of need (SG) and our biggest team needs (shooting and scoring).

He's the perfect fit. He's only 30. He's got at least 3 good seasons left in him and then 2 okay ones probably. We'd be a legitimate playoff team for the next three seasons for sure. If he died at the end of his deal we might taper off for 1-2 seasons before he came off the books and then boom we have cap room to replace him with.

If we land a decent big in the draft and sign VC, we're one of the best teams in the East immediately. What's wrong with that??

[dav7z]

I would not mind giving V/C a reverse contract. And if we going to sign him thats the way to go . Say give him a big chunk the 1st year and then drop that amount each year til the contract is over . That way we still have money to add to the team each year like add OK5O , TO A LONG TERM. But right now i would reather have ok50 than V/C ANY WAY.

[Slam]

I just think its odd that you'd rather spend $10 mil a piece on guys like Darko, Bobby Simmons, etc than $18 million on Vince Carter.

The guy is a perennial 25 ppg, 6 reb, 4 ast, 1 stl.... he shoots the three ball well, has a good FG% for a guard, and is a big game player.

Not to mention the revenue and excitement he'd generate as well as filling our biggest position of need (SG) and our biggest team needs (shooting and scoring).

He's the perfect fit. He's only 30. He's got at least 3 good seasons left in him and then 2 okay ones probably. We'd be a legitimate playoff team for the next three seasons for sure. If he died at the end of his deal we might taper off for 1-2 seasons before he came off the books and then boom we have cap room to replace him with.

If we land a decent big in the draft and sign VC, we're one of the best teams in the East immediately. What's wrong with that??


Oh, don't get me wrong, I'm not about to just start dialing out "Knicks" type contracts. I'm thinking guy's like Joe Johnson, Andre Iguodala, Michael Redd, Gerald Wallace etc. They are the types I would sink money into.

I wouldn't dig sinking that sort of cash into dudes like Simmons or Darko.

[rallydurham]

Johnson - 2nd year of a megadeal

Igoudala - about to get a huge extension

Redd - 2nd (or third?) year of a megadeal


Guys like this just aren't avail. through free agency.


VC is a special case because the Nets are an aging, fairly uncompetitive team that doesn't wanna go far over the luxury tax.

This is the best player on the free agent market in the next 5 years probably.

This "building through the draft" thing is one way to play it but so far in 4 first round picks we have one fucking player (okafor), one maybe (Felton), one role player (Morrison), and one bust (May)...

If you guys are really serious about building through the draft then don't be upset if five years from now we're still in the same boat. We're not going anywhere through the draft unless we eventually land a stud. Maybe this year is the year... maybe not...



and ^^ I cant think of any professional sports that allow for reverse contracts. There are minimum % increases in contracts.

[ziggy]

I have no problem with them spending money in free agency, but in my opinion Vinsanity isn't the guy to spend crazy money on. Guys who rely almost exclusively on their athleticism usually start to slip significantly around 32, and that would give Vince about 1 solid season with the Bobcats before he has big time slippage...
Plus has he ever made his team better? In New Jersey, I would say that its Jason Kidd thats responsible for most of their wins.

[dav7z]

I agree with a lot of what you just said but it is a lot of contracts where the money is paid up frunt just for cap reasons.. We get two good draft picks this year and one good free agent pick up and we in the play offs . Had rerun not eat to many k cream dougnuts this year we would have been close as hell to the play offs. NO Carter is not worth 100 mil at age 30 people are not stupid i hope .
But Carter is a special player and would put buts in the seats. Im just hoping we can sign him to like a 4 yrar 60 mil gig. with a team opt for a fifth.

[rallydurham]

The last i saw NJ was prepared to offer VC like 3 years 41 million

He isnt gonna get anywhere close to $100 million.i dont think

Theres just not enough teams that can afford him

I think 5 years, 70 million puts him in a Bobcats uniform and i hope it happens...

If not i hope we keep losing and end up with durant/oden :biggrin:

[dav7z]

I would rather go a four year but i would do a five for that price. Thats five years at 14 mil . I wouuld still try to get him down to four years

[Slam]

Johnson - 2nd year of a megadeal
Igoudala - about to get a huge extension
Redd - 2nd (or third?) year of a megadeal

Guys like this just aren't avail. through free agency.

Guy's like that are available every single year. Might not be through FA, but they can be had via trade. You sink the cap space you have into a guy like Carter and that handicaps you for the duration of his contract.


VC is a special case because the Nets are an aging, fairly uncompetitive team that doesn't wanna go far over the luxury tax.

They are aging.............and he's one of the reasons for that. They are uncompetitive and again, he's one of the reasons for that. And you want him that bad??


This is the best player on the free agent market in the next 5 years probably.

What do you base that on? Every year, without fail, there are big name players to be had via FA. Last summer it was Ben Wallace and Peja for eg. This summer there's Carter, Billups, Crash, Jamison etc. Next year there is potentially Iggy, Barron, Gordon, Brand, Gilbert, Jermaine, Josh Smith and Childress, Kevin Martin, Deng, Rip, Matrix and Duncan (to name a few)


This "building through the draft" thing is one way to play it but so far in 4 first round picks we have one fucking player (okafor), one maybe (Felton), one role player (Morrison), and one bust (May)...

I agree with you. I think after this year the whole "building through the draft" thing should be a wash. I said from the start it's a crap shot and didn't like it, but it is what it has been.


If you guys are really serious about building through the draft then don't be upset if five years from now we're still in the same boat. We're not going anywhere through the draft unless we eventually land a stud. Maybe this year is the year... maybe not...

The worse thing is - if our draft picks actually pan out and all become studs, in 5 years time, how the heck do we afford to keep them all when they all want chunky contracts???


and ^^ I cant think of any professional sports that allow for reverse contracts. There are minimum % increases in contracts.

Again, I agree. Any player in their right mind woud NEVER accept a front loaded contract.

Might work in video games, but this is the real world.

[dav7z]

Dam with all them quotes just tell us do you want V\C or not

[spectre]

Again, I agree. Any player in their right mind woud NEVER accept a front loaded contract.

Why? It would seem getting it today vs. tomorrow would always be a good thing.

We discussed this last year on another forum, and I'm not sure if we came up with anyone that has had a frontloaded contract in the NBA. Do we know for a fact that it can even be done?

[dav7z]

From what i just read a team can frunt load a contract. It can give the player 25 percent of the contract as a sign on bonus , P lus an additional 70 percent of his first years salery. But the artical did say that kind of contract isnt done often

[Slam]

Why? It would seem getting it today vs. tomorrow would always be a good thing.

We discussed this last year on another forum, and I'm not sure if we came up with anyone that has had a frontloaded contract in the NBA. Do we know for a fact that it can even be done?

A player taking a front loaded contract is an acknowledgement by the player that the are about to deteriorate as a player - which in turn means that they have black balled themselves for any further contract negotiations after their contract expires.

It's like financial suicide.

[Mustachio]

building through the draft is a great way to do things. WE ARE A THIRD YEAR EXPANSION TEAM. we are not gonna win a championship in three years... its just not possible.

quietly build through the draft, get a solid core of great players which i think we have done. Okafor is by far the cream of the crop, but hes also in his third year. you gotta give em time. I honestly think Morrison is gonna develop into a very good player. and Felton is gonna be a point guard in this league for a long time.

Like Jordan said in his interview. the core is there.. and when you have a good core..you can plug in peices to make the team great. and he also said (and i cant tell you how much i agree) you dont just spend money to be spending money.

Sign VC for a lot of money and thats less you have to resign your core guys. VC is not the guy thats gonna push this team over the edge to a championship. hes never made any team hes been on better, an aging 25 points a game player isnt something you financially wreck a franchise for
and as far as putting butts in the seats, i could give a rats ass about VC anymore... he is old news. nothing really exciting about him anymore. plenty of good dunkers out there for cheaper if thats what you want.

[rallydurham]

Last summer it was Ben Wallace and Peja for eg. This summer there's Carter, Billups, Crash, Jamison etc. Next year there is potentially Iggy, Barron, Gordon, Brand, Gilbert, Jermaine, Josh Smith and Childress, Kevin Martin, Deng, Rip, Matrix and Duncan (to name a few)


Ben Wallace- He actually handicapped the Pistons in the playoffs last season. They nearly lost to Cleveland because he was so inept. He's finished in this league as an impact player. The Bulls are already regretting the signing, so imagine how worthless he'll be 4 years from now.

Peja- He's played like 10 games this season. Another horrible signing.

Igoudala - Nope. He's not hitting the market.

Baron - Worthless. He doesnt pass he jsut dribbles out the shot clock and launches a bad three. They've been trying to move him with no luck.

Gordon - He might be available... not sure

Brand - Wont hit the market.

Gilbert - No way.

Jermaine - Nope.

Smith - Energy player but his shooting is awful. He's no Vince.

Childress - still hasnt put it all together, not even close to VC's level.

Kevin Martin - You kidding? Sac's best player is not available

Deng- they wouldnt even give him up for Gasol

Rip- doubt it, he's no VC anyway

Matrix - theres a possibility but i really doubt theyd let him go

Duncan- Um, no. Don't be the next Rick Pitino.

[Slam]

You seem to be missing the point.

Your statement was:

"Guys like this just aren't avail. through free agency."

and

"This is the best player on the free agent market in the next 5 years probably."

and I proved that you were incorrect. Players, through FA, through trade or through S&T are ALWAYS available.

Don't make it like Carter is the last drink of water before you start a trek through the desert.

[tray]

I'd rather have JR Smith from Denver. Give me a young guy, and let's build a team.

Felton
JR Smith
Morrison
Okafor
**Greg Oden**

[dvdbumpus]

I'd rather have JR Smith from Denver. Give me a young guy, and let's build a team.

Felton
JR Smith
Morrison
Okafor
**Greg Oden**


I like J.R. Smith but he's had multiple character issues:

New Orleans fiasco
Denver/New York Fight

[dav7z]

I would reather have childers I may be overrateing him. But i think he would work out great in our system.

[rallydurham]

Well you certainly didn't "prove" me incorrect. The only thing you "proved" is that we disagree on quite a few points.

You listed a lot of players.

Then one by one i broke down ones who absolutely will NOT be available through free agency (Kevin Martin for instance).

And I also listed that many of them were not as good as Vince Carter (which alludes to my "he may be the best FA in the next 5 years" comment).


I think some of you are sorely underestimating a guy who averages 25 ppg, 4 ast


And yes we may be able to acquire someone through a sign and trade but that means we'd have to give assets up so thats clearly not the same as signing a FA. So that comment is not comparing apples to apples and doesn't refute my statements at all.

[dav7z]

Hell i say let BOB HAVE HIS 1st big signing. BOBCATS sign V\C to a two year contract for 200 mil ..................

[rallydurham]

He didn't look too washed up last night when he dropped 40 on us.

[ziggy]

He isn't washed up yet... But in 2 or 3 years, he'll be lucky if hes getting 18ppg for whoever hes playing for.

[tamburello]

Vince Carter's agent had a brief meeting with Nets owner Bruce Ratner on Wednesday night at the Meadowlands, and though little came of it, it was made clear to Ratner that Carter would like to proceed with discussions on a contract extension that will keep him with the Nets through the 2010-2011 season.

Agent Kurt Schoeppler, who has not returned phone calls all season, is presumably authorized to ask the Nets for the same three-year, $60 million extension Paul Pierce received last summer, according to industry sources who demanded anonymity so that they do not influence the negotiation.

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/45509/20070406/carter_wants_pierce_money/

If that's true, we should already give up looking for him. I doubt any team(including Nets) would be willing to pay him that money.

[dav7z]

ive even read Jordon didnt want him Carter said . He said that Carter couldnt play defence seven years a go whats makes him think he can play defence now. He said he had no instrest in Carter.
6O MIL three years is way to much in my opinion thats over a third of your salery cap. for 1 player.

[dvdbumpus]

Anyone that was worried about Vince coming here should read this quote to alleviate the worry:


Charlotte? It is well established that the Bobcats' major domo, Michael Jordan, is not a Carter fan -- Carter himself has alluded to this on a number of occasions. And it is far more likely Jordan will go after Rashard Lewis or Chauncey Billups.



http://www.nj.com/sports/ledger/index.ssf?/base/sports-1/117963548745470.xml&coll=1

[Slam]

I'd rather Carter than Billups and if we sign Lewis then Ammo has to go.

End of the day, I dont want Carter, Billups OR Lewis though.

I'd rather JRich or Gasol.

[ziggy]

I'm not a Vinsanity fan in the least, I don't want him on the Bobcats roster unless they are practically giving him away.

[Wallace15]

Never wanted VC and still don't, but it would be awesome to get JRich though.

[Slam]

I'm not a Vinsanity fan in the least, I don't want him on the Bobcats roster unless they are practically giving him away.

Agreed Zig. If he was happy to come for $10-$12 mil a year over 4 years I'd be ok with signing him, but by all reports he's going to want PP type money ($20 mil a year) so I would take a wide berth of him.gg

[dvdbumpus]

I'm not a Vinsanity fan in the least, I don't want him on the Bobcats roster unless they are practically giving him away.

Agreed Zig. If he was happy to come for $10-$12 mil a year over 4 years I'd be ok with signing him, but by all reports he's going to want PP type money ($20 mil a year) so I would take a wide berth of him.gg


I agree I'd trade for J-rich instead.

[dav7z]

No way is him or Lewis worth 20 mil a year. None of the free agents are worth that this year.
I look for us to only pick up one free agent this year and thats Jaminson. And i look to see him sign with us at something like a three year 15 mil contract or less.

[Jonathanmartin7]

No way is him or Lewis worth 20 mil a year. None of the free agents are worth that this year.
I look for us to only pick up one free agent this year and thats Jaminson. And i look to see him sign with us at something like a three year 15 mil contract or less.

What makes you think that Jamison would come that cheap?
As far as any FA being worth 20 mil a season, I've never seen one that was worth that. Except for MJ and he wasn't worth it, if he'd not taken so little before hand. He got his 30 mil, and then 36mil as ballon payments for deeds already done.
look what he made that last year.
He made 439,024per game.
109,756 per quarter.
9,146 per minute.
152.60 per second.
That is if he played ever second of every game in the regular season. Nobody is worth that much money to put a ball through a hoop. He did more than that I know but still that's just too much money!

[dav7z]

Jameison has stated more than once he wants to come back home. Hes all so stated he would like to finish his carer at home. Hes made his money so i think he comes to the Bobcats just to be close to home.

[Jonathanmartin7]

I would flat out love to have him on the Bobcats. Unselfish, and the quickest damn release I've ever seen. Will do everything that is asked of him. I can see shelling out 7-10 mil for him for say the next 3 or 4 years.

[123together]

apparently 3 years 60 million will get it done (with NJ at least). thats a lot, but it won't kill our salary cap for too many years

[Jonathanmartin7]

I was typing about Jamison. I'd not pay 20 mil a season for carter.

[Mustachio]

Carter will set this team back. Financially, Growth wise, and attitude wise.

He doesnt make us instant contenders so why pay him instant contender money.

Jamison i could get on board with at the right price... just for some experience and leadership, but in 6th man role.

[Dead_Real]

Carter will set this team back. Financially, Growth wise, and attitude wise.

He doesnt make us instant contenders so why pay him instant contender money.

Jamison i could get on board with at the right price... just for some experience and leadership, but in 6th man role.

If we could pick up Jamison along with Brewer and another big in the draft I'll be happy.

[Jonathanmartin7]

Carter will set this team back. Financially, Growth wise, and attitude wise.

He doesnt make us instant contenders so why pay him instant contender money.

Jamison i could get on board with at the right price... just for some experience and leadership, but in 6th man role.

Who would you start b4 Jamison? I mean if you are saying that you'd start Oak first at the PF position, I'll go with that. Wallace at the SF, about equal but I'd probably stick with Crash. Still It would be better to move Oak to the C position and play all 3 of them on the front line wouldn't it. Ray at PG and whoever is playing hard at the SG. That's what I'd do anyway, not that many have been agreeing with me lately on much of anything.

[dav7z]

John i agree with you . Jamison can play the three or four position while OK50 was a top 10 center last year. Hes a perfect fit to give our new big a chance to get adjusted to the game. He could all so be a perfect mintor to Walter. I think he would bring a calming affect to the team during tough straches.I all so think he could have a positive influnce on May to help him lose wight and get his mind in the game and to be a NBA star if he does all the right things. He adds dept if Wallace or any two, three ,or for gets hurt. Another thing hes good on the boards can shoot the long ball, and can be a go to man if he has to. In my mind he is the best free agent choice on the market for our needs.

[Mustachio]

I dont necessarily mean by 6th man that Jamison would be comin off the bench exclusively i just mean he wouldnt have a set starting spot. I think he could start at either the 2 3 or 4 or he could just rotate between them giving others breathers.
depending on the opponent, we could go with several combos... and i think thats whats good about having several good options in the 2-4 range. I just dont see him as a guy you want to take minutes away from the younger more potential players like adam walter and crash.
Jamison is good but i dont think he is as good as wallace. So he would be able to play any spot between 2 3 or 4. depending on where wallace isnt playing/

Just thinkin about some of the combos we could roll with is making me think that Jamison is the one guy we should definetly look at in Free Agency. He gives us quality quality depth, and would be a huge asset in the locker room.

so tell me this guys. if we got Jamison, Brewer, and a big say Hawes/splitter/tomic. (this combo is very possible) how would our starters line up and where do you see the bench.

[ziggy]

so tell me this guys. if we got Jamison, Brewer, and a big say Hawes/splitter/tomic. (this combo is very possible) how would our starters line up and where do you see the bench.
I think 1 thru 5 our starters would be Felton/Brewer/Crash/Jamison/Okafor.
This would be a lineup built to outrun everybody.

[dav7z]

I would like that starting five a lot its speed on speed. We would have lock down defence and a lot of fast breaks. and a balanced off threat in the half court.
We would all so have one of the strongest beanchs in the NBA. Just think coming off the beanch , Matt a solid three point threat at the two.Walter solid all around player coming in at 3 or 4 . May if healthy a very solid four coming in off the beanch about 20 mins a game.The newly drafted five to give OK50 a blow.We all so have Morrison i about for got about and B. K . damn we would be deap. or any combo of the above. Damn we need Jamison he would be the key.

[Mustachio]

I dont much like that starting lineup..too small... but dav is right... i freakin love the depth and talented depth at that.

if we get Brewer, Tomic, and Jamison during the offseason... i would see that as the best possible FEASIBLE scenario

[rallydurham]

All the discussion about Jamison is pretty much a pipe dream. I haven't seen any indication that the Wizards don't want Jamison back...

He doesn't really fit our team needs anyway we need a SG or a C. We'll only enter the market for Jamison if Wallace left via free agency and that wouldn't be good news.


The guys on the market are Vince Carter and Rashard Lewis (already being offered in sign & trades).

Hopefully we'll work things out with Gerald and Emeka, fill our needs in the draft and then look for some cheap additions like Azubuike, Barnes, etc

[tray]

I want JR Smith from Denver. We are building a team, not trying to be the next stop for a wuss like Vince Carter.

I want Carter and Kevin Garnett to go to Miami so that both of them can win a Championship last year.

The Bobcats won't win one next year, regardless. The Bobcats need to build a team that will be a winner. With a young backcourt of Felton and Smith, they would be on their way.

Then the SF could be either Morrison or Wallace, even though I fully expect Wallace to not resign with the Bobcats.

[dav7z]

Tray i disagree with you . Wallace will be resigned so will Ok50. Smith is a decent player but i think Jamison is a much better fit for the team with his vateran leadership. Brewer and all the other younger players games would step just because of his abilitys and leadership.I would rather us draft Brewer than give give up big bucks for a trubled SMITH . This team dont need that type of player.