Adam Morrison or Gerald Wallace

[tray]

Which one do we get rid of in the offseason?

The Bobcats need a "true Shooting Guard," and Wallace and Morrison are both Small Forwards, just with two different styles. Morrison is a Larry Bird-type, stiff shooter, and Wallace is an athletic grinder who can't shoot, and surprises you when he actually makes a shot.

You can't really play both at the same time, and you don't, and Felton needs a "real shooting guard" beside him.

So, assuming that the Bobcats get a real shooting guard in the offseason (JR Smith will be available), do they keep Wallace or Morrison?

I say, for purely financial reasons, they keep Morrison, because Wallace is a free agent, and a certain "demographic" in Charlotte would lose its "financial" mind if the Bobcats got rid of Adam Morrison.

[nckat291]

Darn.... that's a rough one. I say Morrison, sorry Gerald (not that I don't love you!!!). I just really like watching Morrison and can get into pulling for him.

[Mustachio]

id rather see adam starting a SG. you dont always have to think inside the current box. just because Ammo isnt 6'3 or 6'4 doesnt mean he cant play SG. weve gone small for so long i dont see why playing several players above 6'7 is bad. GO BIG he makes the off the ball runs like a SG. and isnt rebounding as well in the NBA as i had hoped. so i think he has played more like a SG to date anyway. Id like to see Felton, Ammo, Wallace, Okafor, someone else.

[Mustachio]

sorry i didnt mean to sound like i wanted wallace to be cut. i dont want either of them to be cut. However, if you are put in the situation where someone has to get cut, they both have their advantages.

Adam - Cheaper(allows for getting more good players)
Lots of Potential
Ticket sales
Franchise Face
Gerald - Proven player, star in the making
still really has lots of potential
better defensively right now, and probally as long as they both play

id just like to see us keep em both.

[dvdbumpus]

Crash. He's a more rounded player, is improving his shot every year, can defend ANYONE. Is much more versatile, a better rebounder, and has a winner's instinct(although Adam does too).


Crash's hustle style just defines the bobcats. Take a look at the "bobcats elimination thread" and you see where the fans stand. Currently it's Crash @ 15 and Adam @ 5.

Adam will be a good possibly all star player in the future, but Crash is more the face of the franchise. That hustle all out style of play has won over many fans.

[dav7z]

Its no way we get rid of Wallace, and if we get rid of Morrison hes going to have to be packaged with first round draft picks to pick up Derant or Olden. Why not keep both. Morrison is going into just his 2nd year. And Wallace is a top choice to be a ALL STAR next year. As for a two guard we have the hammer and 2 first round picks in a deep draft. All so the team has a truck load of cap space so they can pick up any body they want including JR. Smith. Either way you look at it we going to be good and going to be a very deep team

[Mustachio]

I disagree with you bump about the face of the franchise.

Ever since Adam got here hes been on the promotional items and interviews and all kinds of stuff... while i dont think Gerald has ever done an ESPN interview ever.

What im sayin is. I know and you know and everyone here knows that the Gerald Wallace is the guts and heart and embodies this teams spirit. He is the hustle, he is the determination. However die hard bobcat fans like ourselves are very rare to find. we just dont have a huge diehard fan base yet. Most people that go to games are just there for business or to get drunk (which i cant argue with) I guarentee unless someone is an NBA fanatic or lives in Charlotte, they dont know who Gerald Wallace is. But everyone knows who Morrison is.

I think that shows how much we need them both. Adam gives us the face(as ugly as that mug may be) and Wallace gives us that drive and deterimination we desperately need.

[tamburello]

I can't understand that why we should give up one of them. Why should we make a choice among em? Are they very similar players? No. Then.. to make room for JR Smith?

[ammofan]

I think that we should keep Morrison. He has a lot of potential and I think he is the franchise face. I know alot of people who only go to Bobcats games to see morrison.
Wallace is good on both ends of the court but I think that ammo fits in better with the other players(okafor, felton, fabio, etc.)

[walkerl]

I think that we should keep Morrison. He has a lot of potential and I think he is the franchise face. I know alot of people who only go to Bobcats games to see morrison.
Wallace is good on both ends of the court but I think that ammo fits in better with the other players(okafor, felton, fabio, etc.)


Are you guys smoking dope, I would take GW over AMMO any day of the week, and I'm sure that every GM in the league would do the same. GW puts up numbers in every column, every night, I could care less who does the interviews or sells the most T shirts, I want WINS, and GW is giving us that. Hell, I would take Fabio over Ammo, he is a better shooter, rebounder and defender.....I can't believe we are even having this conversation.

[spectre]

I think that we should keep Morrison. He has a lot of potential and I think he is the franchise face. I know alot of people who only go to Bobcats games to see morrison.
Wallace is good on both ends of the court but I think that ammo fits in better with the other players(okafor, felton, fabio, etc.)


Are you guys smoking dope, I would take GW over AMMO any day of the week, and I'm sure that every GM in the league would do the same. GW puts up numbers in every column, every night, I could care less who does the interviews or sells the most T shirts, I want WINS, and GW is giving us that. Hell, I would take Fabio over Ammo, he is a better shooter, rebounder and defender.....I can't believe we are even having this conversation.


Thank God...thought I was in Bizarro World there for a second!

Crash = borderline all star
Ammo = borderline bust

At BEST Ammo will be Matt Carroll. The big problem is everyone else knows it too, so his value is basicly crap. We'll hold onto both and hope Ammo can eventually raise his value to a future 1st from someone. Right now he's nothing but "filler".

[dav7z]

I cant belive we having this conversation either .....
1. Its no way we giving up Wallace next year . Right now hes the best player we got including Okafor.
2 Its no way we giving up Morrison unless a great trade comes our way.
3. As for a 2 guard we got enough cap space to sign any one out thair.
Its not a dam thing in the rule book they cant play on the same team.. Wallace plays a 2 3 and 4 at times that leaves a lot of time for Morrison. If MORRISON is Charlotte give him time to get better. Then after a year or two more he diont get better . We trade him then . Think we have to have more than one three.Besides Wallace plays a lot of 4 to. .

[Mustachio]

explain to me how adam morrison is a borderline bust or "just filler" dont just say shit cause you hear it around the internet or think thats what everyone else thinks. freakin prove it
at best adam can be matt carroll?? how bout at best adam morrison can be larry bird, and at worst he can be matt carroll. their numbers are quite similiar right now and Carroll has been in pro ball for like 4 years now. i can not emphasize enough, how retarded you must be to label someone a bust in their first year.
and as far as no one caring about selling shoes, shirts, hats and interviews, i think a guy named Bob Johnson cares a whole lot. and so does every owner in the league. bottom line is always the bottom line in the NBA. and as far as crash giving us wins, its a team not just him and we only have 30 so far anyway so your point is invalid.
its obvious Crash is more valuable to any team RIGHT NOW. no one is arguing that at all. but he will also cost a ton to keep. is he the best long term solution, is he worth the huge contract, blah blah blah.

i think he is worth everything we do, and keeping adam is a forgone conclusion. basically
if anyone goes it will be Crash because of contract issues. I think he will be here. but adam is a lock to stay here.
Dav is right, theres plenty of minutes to go around even if Crash and Ammo play the same spot. and theres enough money to bring in someone else too. i think we need more big men instead of worrying about guards and small forwards. like JR Smith

[spectre]

Climb off your homer wagon for just a second. That is if you aren't really Ammo, cuz you sure seemed to take it personally.

First off, I've seen every pro game he's played but 2...so cut it with the "on the internet" crap. If you've seen every game I wouldn't have to prove it...but regardless:

Morrison is slow footed, doesn't give all his effort and can't defend for crap. The ONLY thing the boy brings is shooting, and right now that's at a stellar 37.7%, 33% from 3! Actually I take that back...he is a great passer, so that makes 2 things he can do. Too bad he doesn't have any handles to speak of or else he could be our 3rd string PG.

Has he ever drawn a charge? Has he ever actually tried to get in front of another player on a breakout? Doesn't it piss you off too when he reaches out and pushes the opponent's arm on a layup, giving him an "and one"?

Has he ever broken a sweat?

Please find me ONE legitimate article that says Ammo can be Larry Bird. Hell, find me one article that says Ammo's been anything BUT a disappointment this year.

[Slam]

How is this even a thread????

It's a no brainer. Ammo will be lucky to reach the level of the Hammer. Ammo has more natual ability, but he will never reach it.

Ammo has set the franchise back years - Crash has given it an identity.

There would be a revolt against the team if they choose Ammo over Crash.

[dav7z]

Slam said hows this even a thread.

All i know is Ammo makes the best hotdogs for my swiet and Wallace makes the best Club sandwichs
And May keeps us suplyed in doughnuts and Okafor likes to go party with my boy .They went out clubing just once and Okafor took home two wemon. NO LIE the hot dogs is the best ive ever eat.

[walkerl]

explain to me how adam morrison is a borderline bust or "just filler" dont just say shit cause you hear it around the internet or think thats what everyone else thinks. freakin prove it
at best adam can be matt carroll?? how bout at best adam morrison can be larry bird, and at worst he can be matt carroll. their numbers are quite similiar right now and Carroll has been in pro ball for like 4 years now. i can not emphasize enough, how retarded you must be to label someone a bust in their first year.
and as far as no one caring about selling shoes, shirts, hats and interviews, i think a guy named Bob Johnson cares a whole lot. and so does every owner in the league. bottom line is always the bottom line in the NBA. and as far as crash giving us wins, its a team not just him and we only have 30 so far anyway so your point is invalid.
its obvious Crash is more valuable to any team RIGHT NOW. no one is arguing that at all. but he will also cost a ton to keep. is he the best long term solution, is he worth the huge contract, blah blah blah.

i think he is worth everything we do, and keeping adam is a forgone conclusion. basically
if anyone goes it will be Crash because of contract issues. I think he will be here. but adam is a lock to stay here.
Dav is right, theres plenty of minutes to go around even if Crash and Ammo play the same spot. and theres enough money to bring in someone else too. i think we need more big men instead of worrying about guards and small forwards. like JR Smith


Sorry, if you are offended but you are trippin. Ammo, is not even close to GW. He has the 3rd worst PER rating for a SF (76 of 78), GW is 17th. Ammo has only 6 (GW has 66) blocks for the entire season and averages 3 boards a game (GW 7.1). Ammo also has the lowest shooting % at SF in the league.

Now I would not call him a bust yet, but to say that he is in the same class as GW is crazy. Ammo is not better than Walter H. at this point. I do think that they should keep both, but if would had to go, It would be Ammo, Jordan isnt crazy.

Also the Cats are so far under the cap, they could resign wallace for anything he wanted, so money is not an issue. If wallace was in mid to large market he would be an allstar.

[Keetch]

Agree Agree Agree that this is a silly thread. It's no contest. Gerald Wallace Gerald Wallace Gerald Wallace.

No Brainer for sure, but people can have their opinions; even if they're whacked out wrong ::)

And anyways, neither are SG's. We need to solve that problem elsewhere's.

[dvdbumpus]

I disagree with you bump about the face of the franchise.

Ever since Adam got here hes been on the promotional items and interviews and all kinds of stuff... while i dont think Gerald has ever done an ESPN interview ever.

What im sayin is. I know and you know and everyone here knows that the Gerald Wallace is the guts and heart and embodies this teams spirit. He is the hustle, he is the determination. However die hard bobcat fans like ourselves are very rare to find. we just dont have a huge diehard fan base yet. Most people that go to games are just there for business or to get drunk (which i cant argue with) I guarentee unless someone is an NBA fanatic or lives in Charlotte, they dont know who Gerald Wallace is. But everyone knows who Morrison is.

I think that shows how much we need them both. Adam gives us the face(as ugly as that mug may be) and Wallace gives us that drive and deterimination we desperately need.


Big reason for all this was his college hype. He did great in Gonzaga, but so did J.J. Redick - and is he even considered the face of their franchise?

Faces of the franchise: Emeka, Gerald, Adam, Raymond. Crash brings W's, Adam brings hype. Wins are the long run bottom line everytime.

AMMO was a #3 pick, and Matt Carroll was an undrafted FA. They're absolutely not in the same league. Let's have him in the same league @ Mike Dunleavy with the potential to be Larry Bird but probably will not be. I sure hope so, though.

If crash is the heart of the team, he's more than worth the money to be their heart and soul. Adam has not earned his stripes or more undying respect. He might eventually, he might not.

[123together]

keep wallace no matter what it takes

morrison has been a bust so far this season, but he can be better, but next year wallace could put up an all-star campaign type season

[cltblkhscoach]

Come on guys aren't we being a little harsh on Morrison here? They guy is a rookie averaging around 13 points a game the last time we checked and we all know rookies have trouble adjusting to that 82 game season after college, especially a rookie with diabetes who moved halfway across the world from where he's from. The good thing about this is that Wallace probably isn't the type where he's going to opt out of his contract this summer for a big payday, even though if he chooses to he more than deserves it. They can definitely play both together, Adam at the 2 and Gerald at the 3, and I'm sure that's the plan going into next season with Carroll and Hermann coming off the bench lightin it up from deep. But to answer the original question, definitely CRASH!

[spectre]

keep wallace no matter what it takes

morrison has been a bust so far this season, but he can be better, but next year wallace could put up an all-star campaign type season


Agreed. Notice in my original post I said "borderline" bust...and right now that's exactly what he looks like. He can turn it around...but it's all on him.

BTW, what makes Hammer superior is his EFFORT while on the court...he works his ass off. Until Ammo starts to demonstrate some of that, esp. on this team where they've made that their mantra...he's going to stand out in a negative way.

Well, that and the atrocious FG%...Hammer's been blowing him away there too. In that though I feel he can and will get better.

[Mustachio]

i never ever ever ever ever evere vere verasdfasdf said Ammo was better than Gerald.

NEVER

and again.. your an idiot in every aspect of the word if you label adam morrison an outright bust at this point.

[spectre]

And again...do you understand that "right now he is a BORDERLINE bust" is not the same as "outright bust"?

You need to stop with the insults, else I'll be inclined to start throwing them right back at you...and I'd rather not do that.

[spectre]

We're all pulling for the same team here, and believe it or not I want Ammo to become the next Bird just as much as you or anyone else besides his mother does too. I'm just looking at what's "there" and I can't just go on blind faith; there's been way too many failures in the history of the league that the odds are against it. Hopefully the faith will win out.

[CaptainCrunch]

well the correct answer is to get rid of both of them. Hopefully someone can answer this question for me. Why is it that a "professional" basketball player who makes millions of dollars has a problem with hitting free-throws? cough cough...G-Force. and don't even get me started on Adam Morrison who is so overrated! Charlotte should have just got a baseball team bc basketball already failed once in this city and NBA sucks anyways....the worst professional sport out there. they barely ever hustle and if that ever happened in any other sport you would get fucked up especially in hockey or football. :afro:

[Mustachio]

whatever.

hey i dont know if this means anything at all, at all. BUT last nights crazy fred special of the night was, Gerald Wallace authentic jerseys for 40 dollars.

is this any indication that Gerald Wallace wont be in a Bobcats uniform next year?

[dvdbumpus]

whatever.

hey i dont know if this means anything at all, at all. BUT last nights crazy fred special of the night was, Gerald Wallace authentic jerseys for 40 dollars.

is this any indication that Gerald Wallace wont be in a Bobcats uniform next year?



It's said he has mad loyalty for the team and the town. I was reading that his contract status hinges on Bernie and how he plays into the talks.

[tray]

If the Bobcats have Adam Morrison playing SG, they will never make the playoffs. Have you seen SGs in the NBA these days, like Kobe Bryant, Tracy McGrady, Michael Redd, etc. Morrison can't guard any of those guys, and he's too slow to be able to do anything to them when on offense.

If the 'Cats are smart, they will go out and get the very young JR Smith and let him develop beside Felton as a 6'6 athletic SG (who can shoot).

Then the question becomes who plays the SF. It has to either be Morrison or Wallace or Hermann. Wallace probably won't stay in Charlotte, and after that Hermann is better than Morrison is, regardless of whether or not he has an ugly mustache that makes him "eccentric", as if that wins you games.

[dvdbumpus]

Herrmann could very well play some PF to go along with SF. If Crash stays (which I hope he will) we can have the Okafor/Herrmann PF combo, to go along with the Crash/Herrmann combo. He could backup both Forward spots.


As for J.R. Smith, I like his game a lot I just think he's a punk. After the New Orleans debacle with his attitude and then the Denver/New York fight, I'm questionable on him based on this teams view of importance for character.

[tamburello]

I don't understand the logic between the idea of getting JR Smith while you also have Matt Carroll. If you think that we should get rid of Matt, and then acquire JR, it's OK, no problem.

But having both of these players just doesn't make me sense, although they're completely different type of players. Their averages are quite close to each other, as well as percentages. But I noticed a detail. This season JR shot 370 3s out of 625 total FG's. Matt shot 267 3s out of 658 total FG attempts. Matt is actually known as spot-shooter, but we see that's not the fact in this case.

These stats mean that JR generally waits for 3s, rather than driving. I admit that he plays with other type of scorers, like post scorer Carmelo and slasher Iverson. So he needs to be settled with 3s. But anyway that's too much. He has much more room to develop than Matt, much more potential to fulfill, much more athletism to explode. But his work ethic is very questionable. You gotta remember his problems with Byron Scott, those lead him to be traded twice. We'll probably get that type of coach, for example Sam Mitchell is just like Scott.

And work ethic is what Matt has loads of. Also he really likes to stay in Charlotte. JR Smith is not a free agent this season, and Denver may sign him to multi year extension this summer, just like we'll do with Emeka. All of this factors lead me to totally forget about JR, to keep our(maybe poor man's JR) Matt.

[spectre]

"I was reading that his contract status hinges on Bernie and how he plays into the talks."

Bumpus...where did you see that?

[dvdbumpus]

"I was reading that his contract status hinges on Bernie and how he plays into the talks."

Bumpus...where did you see that?


Right here:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AvbpOJIosSUNV.0Vzq8ioaakvLYF?slug=ap-bobcats-wallace&prov=ap&type=lgns


A factor in Wallace's decision could rest on who replaces Bickerstaff as coach. Wallace has great respect for Bickerstaff, who is expected to stay with the Bobcats in the general manager's role and could be involved in Wallace's contract negotiations.

"I don't think the words can say what he's done for me as far as my career goes," Wallace said. "Him taking a chance on me says it all. He gave me an opportunity."

[spectre]

Thanks Bumpus. Y'know I read that article but I didn't remember that part.

That could make it interesting. What if Bernie isn't given the GM role? Will Crash not redo his contract until we hire a new coach? It'd really hurt if we ended up losing him.