Is Adam Morrison the worst #3 pick of the modern era?

[Slam]

'93: Anfernee Hardaway

'94: Grant Hill

'95: Jerry Stackhouse

'96: Sharef Abdur-Rahim

'97: Chauncey Billups

'98: Raef LaFrentz

'99: Baron Davis

'00: Darius Miles

'01: Pau Gasol

'02: *Mike Dunleavy

'03: Carmelo Anothny

'04: Ben Gordon

'05: Deron Williams

'06: The Great White Chump

* = "Maybe" the exception - but at least Dunleavy shows hustle and heart

[dav7z]

Damn thats a nice bunch of players, Morrison is just going into his 2nd year and i hope to see that fire and shooting touch he had in college. But to be honest the only one RIGHT now is Mike Dunleavy.
But im like Ziggy i hope a new coach brings out the college Morrison.

[ziggy]

I'd take Adam over Dunleavy, Miles and Raef Laefrenz.

Maybe Adam will fall into the category of guys like Chauncey Billups & Deron Williams. Guys that didn't look that great their rookie season but turned out to be solid players.

[Keetch]

I'm sorry but there is NOBODY worse than Darius ("I Overslept") Miles. :D

Case closed

[Fromage]

yeah, Ammo's career is over ... may as well retire now. maybe we should just shoot him.

[ziggy]

Slam, I'll be the first person to admit that his play has been far less than what I hoped for when he was drafted, but its too early to declare him a failure... Now if he shoots 37% next season, then I'm on board with you.

I still don't understand why we don't get these exact same gripes over Ray's shooting. And hes shot under 40% for 2 seasons now.

[dvdbumpus]

At least Adam isn't a cancer like Darius Miles or just so so throughout the pro's like Dunleavy, so I would say he's not the worst pick, but things could change. Hell, he could turn out to be one of the best, although I have my doubts.

[123together]

i'd say dunleavy and lafrentz have been bigger busts than morrison, but i have noticed it seems that morrison rarely hustles down the floor and (obviously) doesn't seem to try very hard on defense. maybe if he tried harder he would be better.

[Fromage]

i'm taking names of the adam bashers. they'll be made to eat their words.

[cltblkhscoach]

I'm with you Fromage, the kid has a great competitive spirit and he's just a rookie making huge adjustments, bigger than most with the diabetes and moving across country. Of course most of the guys on that list are going to look better than Adam right now, but a more fair comparison would be comparing these guys' rookie seasons to Adam's. I can definitely remember Baron Davis coming off the bench in those Hornet playoff years and not being able to hit an open jump shot to save his life while averaging 7-8 points a game. Give Adam a break.

[dvdbumpus]

I believe in Adam, but I want some effort and some signs of improvement.

[Mustachio]

Dear Bobcat fans,

Im sorry i wasnt good enough in my first year. I should have won the Rookie of the Year AND MVP. it took steve nash 4 years to even be considered a player in the NBA, but i should have been MVP in my first season. While im at it, i would also like to apologize about not winning the NBA Championship and being the tournament MVP while doing it. I know some of you sensible intelligent people realize that i play on a 3rd year franchise going on 30 wins, but thats no excuse... when your white and drafted 3rd overall.... you better win it all or else your a bust. The speed of the NBA, the extended three point line, the new shot clock, constant travel, media demands, riches, groupies, incompetent coaches,and NBA egos should all be second to nature for me and i whole heartedly appologize for being such a complete failure.
NEXT YEAR, i promise to continue to be in the lead pack of my peers in scoring, assist and rebounds, i promise i will win games all by myself as i proved i can do in minnesota when givin the chance. I promise ill try to get a tan next year, so that my skin color wont make me a bust even when compared to Jerry Stackhouse or Grant Hill who hasnt done a thing in his whole entire career but is argued to be a better third pick. In fact i think ive already played in more games than Grant Hill has combined. BUT anyway i will try and do better next year.

Yours Truly,
Adam Morrison

[Keetch]

Adam:

its not your skin color bro...pls don't make the excuse that your problem is that you're white. Hey I'm white too! So I can sympathize, but you just got to get by with it.

I'm worried about you man. I want you to succeed, and I hope that you do.

But I gotta say it as I sees it for now.

so prove me wrong.....

[spectre]

Heh!

Like 123 & Bumpus said, the lack of effort is what's pushing a lot of this. If he didn't play defense so haflheartedly and be such a liability to the team it'd be easier to stomach. In one of the games vs. the Wiz Ammo had a nice little offensive run, only to pretty much give it right back by allowing Stevenson 2 consecutive uncontested 3s.

He can still turn it around, and he'll get that chance with us...but I'll admit my original thoughts on his potential has lowered somewhat. As it stands right now though Ammo is definitely in the bottom 3 out of that list. There's just no denying it.

[Slam]

Slam, I'll be the first person to admit that his play has been far less than what I hoped for when he was drafted, but its too early to declare him a failure... Now if he shoots 37% next season, then I'm on board with you.

I still don't understand why we don't get these exact same gripes over Ray's shooting. And hes shot under 40% for 2 seasons now.


I've been down on Felts inability to finish at the rim all year Zig - but at least Felts has other dimensions to his game. He sets others up, he plays solid defense, he's a solid 3pt shooter with his feet set and he never, EVER stops trying.

He's on my shit list for not finishing, but you can't deny that at the very least, he plays with a lot of heart.

[Mustachio]

im not making excuses.... adam has a lot to do before hes gonna be an all star. IM NOT SAYING HES AN ALL STAR

and i agree with the effort thing. the thing that pisses me off about him is that he does show hustle and aggression and ability, only to follow it up with the lack of all those things. he is inconsitent. but its his first year. i just dont see anything at all that is gonna prevent him from getting better every year and being a star. when a player can have games like he did in minnesota and have assist games like the last one against washington where he was tied with Felton with 7 assist. theres talent there hes just gonna have to be more consistent.

and thats gonna come with a coach that gives him a role, be it the man, or the second man. whatever. Bernie hasnt done that... hes played him spotty inconsitent minutes switched in and out with Matt Carrol and Gerald Wallace... two completly differnt players and expects him to flip and flop between the styles. that shit aint gonna work with any rookie.

considering our team inexperience... shady coaching, and the standard NBA hurdles rookies go through... id say adam has done pretty damn well. Im not jumping up and down about how great he is, and in fact i wonder if hes gonna be able to be that guy... but to label him a bust at this current level is the stupidest freakin thing i have ever heard seen or imagined.


you cant just go around saying hes a bust. give me stats and theories.. dont just say hes a bust.

[dav7z]

Must . Morrison is not a bust . He just needs different coaching , a role defined. As far as hustle thats the damnest thing . See him in person he looks like hes hustling . See him on t/v he looks like hes loafing any one else noticed that. its wild. Thats not saying he dont need work on his defence he needs that bad . Hes got to learn angels in the off season that will help him a lot. He all so needs to play in the sumer league again to get some of his confidence back up .

You cant go from shooting like he did in college to shooting like he did last year.
Being a rookie has played a big part of it as well as coaching as well as his comifidence witch he has to get back him self . Ammo can become a good player , but not in one night . Its giong to take work and time thats whats the NBA is all about

[dvdbumpus]

I agree he's not a bust, just has lots to prove still.

[Mustachio]

what did the five fingers say to the face?

[Jonathanmartin7]

Hardaway 16.0ppg 3.6tos 0.6bpg 6.6apg 5.4reb 2.3spg
Hill 19.9pts 2.9tos 0.9bpg 5.0apg 6.4reb 1.8 spg
Stackhouse 19.2 pts 3.5to's1.1bpg 3.9apg 3.7reb 1.1 spg
abdur 18.7ppt 3.1 to's 1 bpg 2.2apg 6.9reb 1.0 spg
billups 11.1pg 2.2 to's 0 bpg 4.3apg 2.2reb 1.5spg
Lafrentz 13.8ppg 0.8 tos 1.4bpg 0.7apg 7.6reb 0.8spg
Davis 5.9ppg 1.7 tos 0.2bpg 3.8apg 2.0reb 1.2spg
Miles 9.4ppg 1.8tos 1.5bpg 1.2apg 5.9reb 0.6spg
Gasol 17.6ppg 2.7to's 2.1bpg 2.7apg 8.9reb 0.5spg
Dunleavy 5.7ppg 1.0tos 0.2bpg 1.3apg 2.6reb 0.6spg
Anthony 21.0ppg 3.0tos 0.5bpg 2.8apg 6.1reb 1.2spg
Gordon 15.1ppg 2.3tos 0.1bpg 2.0apg 2.6reb 0.6spg
williams 10.8ppg 1.8tos 0.2bpg 4.5apg 2.4reb 0.8spg
Morrison 11.9ppg 1.7tos 0.1bpg 2.1apg 3.0reb 0.4spg

So out of the 14 he ranks 9th in ppg. would be tied for 2nd best in tos. tied for 12th in blocks. 11th in assist. 9th in rebounding and last in steals.
But when you think about it Stackhouse was playing with AI and was not being double teamed ever. Neither was Hardaway as he was dishing it to Shaq.
and his stats are almost dead on with Deron Williams, who people seem to think is going to be such a great player. Out standing no, average for a 3rd pick on a team that rarely had the same 5 on the floor for a stretch of a week yes. I still say he's going to be an all star.

[Dead_Real]

Like many have already stated I can't call  him a bust this early but you have to admit that he is has been way to inconsistent his first year. He'll put up 20 points and than he'll follow that up with a 4 point night thats one thing I hope improves in Ammo's game next season.

[Jonathanmartin7]

No I don't have to admit that, the rookies that don't do that played with the same line up most of the year. They still had shitty nights, hell everybody in the league still does, he's going to be a really good player. If our lineup were consistent, then he'd me more consistent. I'd trade Oakafor if he misses another 25 or 30 games next year, and may as well. Hell the only fucker on the team that plays ever game is Raymond. Bad luck maybe, I hope so.
But you put those guys on the floor with Gerald and Adam and watch and see if he doesn't find his shooting touch and play with more hustle. Kinda hard to do that when everybody out there with you isn't drawing attention.

[Mustachio]

jmart that was awesome. stats speak louder than biased opinion. POM nominee and you got some rep.

and as to his consitency i agree, he needs to solidify that part of his game. But its pretty hard to be consistent when your coach is bernie bickerstaff and you get the most random collection of minutes in the NBA. (not just ammo, but the whole team get random weird minutes)

[ziggy]

and as to his consitency i agree, he needs to solidify that part of his game. But its pretty hard to be consistent when your coach is bernie bickerstaff and you get the most random collection of minutes in the NBA.

AMEN on That!

[CaptainCrunch]

hes still a rookie give him another year or so before making comments like that

[Fromage]

Anyone who's ready to write Ammo off before he finishes his first season doesn't have a clue.

[Slam]

Hardaway 16.0ppg 3.6tos 0.6bpg 6.6apg 5.4reb 2.3spg
Hill 19.9pts 2.9tos 0.9bpg 5.0apg 6.4reb 1.8 spg
Stackhouse 19.2 pts 3.5to's1.1bpg 3.9apg 3.7reb 1.1 spg
abdur 18.7ppt 3.1 to's 1 bpg 2.2apg 6.9reb 1.0 spg
billups 11.1pg 2.2 to's 0 bpg 4.3apg 2.2reb 1.5spg
Lafrentz 13.8ppg 0.8 tos 1.4bpg 0.7apg 7.6reb 0.8spg
Davis 5.9ppg 1.7 tos 0.2bpg 3.8apg 2.0reb 1.2spg
Miles 9.4ppg 1.8tos 1.5bpg 1.2apg 5.9reb 0.6spg
Gasol 17.6ppg 2.7to's 2.1bpg 2.7apg 8.9reb 0.5spg
Dunleavy 5.7ppg 1.0tos 0.2bpg 1.3apg 2.6reb 0.6spg
Anthony 21.0ppg 3.0tos 0.5bpg 2.8apg 6.1reb 1.2spg
Gordon 15.1ppg 2.3tos 0.1bpg 2.0apg 2.6reb 0.6spg
williams 10.8ppg 1.8tos 0.2bpg 4.5apg 2.4reb 0.8spg
Morrison 11.9ppg 1.7tos 0.1bpg 2.1apg 3.0reb 0.4spg

So out of the 14 he ranks 9th in ppg. would be tied for 2nd best in tos. tied for 12th in blocks. 11th in assist. 9th in rebounding and last in steals.
But when you think about it Stackhouse was playing with AI and was not being double teamed ever. Neither was Hardaway as he was dishing it to Shaq.
and his stats are almost dead on with Deron Williams, who people seem to think is going to be such a great player. Out standing no, average for a 3rd pick on a team that rarely had the same 5 on the floor for a stretch of a week yes. I still say he's going to be an all star.

Ammo's fg % = 37
Ammo's shots per game = 13
Ammo's mpg = 31

You want to compare someone like D.Williams rookie year?
Williams fg% = 42
Williams shots per game = 10
Williams mpg = 28

Oh yeah, and Williams also averaged 41% from the 3pt line, 2.5 boards, 4.5 assists, a steal and only 2 turn overs a game all while having Sloan keep him on the pine because of his famous "rookie" rule.

Ammo has had the green light from day #1

And remember - he was the one that was touted as being THE most "NBA ready" of that draft class.

It's not always about what you do. Sometimes it's more about the way you do it.

Keep in mind, the title of this thread isn't "Is Ammo a bust". It's "Is Ammo the most dissapointing 3rd overall pick of the modern era".

I would have be thrilled to draft Ammo.................................outside the top 10 - just like Redick.

[Mustachio]

im fine with where we drafted Ammo
.
firs off 31 minutes is a myth. sure hes played those, but its been in weird stretches subbing for two entirely different players.

theres no other player that was drafted that year that i would rather have on this team

andrea bargani maybe but he was drafted before we could get him same with aldridge... and they are arguably the two big men we could use right now. but theres nothing we could do about that.

Brandon Roy, but hes gettin startes minutes and has a specified role within the team AND has the green light. i would have liked to draft him, but theres no substantial evidence that he will be leaps and bounds better than morrison in the long run.

Gay, less than spectacular season.

bottom line is with all things considered. Ammo is in the top 10 in most stat lines and second in scoring. That shit alone means he is not a bust. wether he was drafted 3rd or 19th.... using your logic.... Rudy gay is a major bust as well. Just because they dont win Rookie of the Year, or step into michael jordans shoes, doesnt mean they are bust.

[spectre]

I have to think you mean top 10 in rookies and not the NBA?

http://www.nba.com/rookies/rankings.html

Yah, Gay sucks. He's only 2nd in the race for ROY averaging 11 ppg on 43% shooting in 27 mpg (consistency actually means something...a thought Felton needs to grasp as well).

But obviously those guys are idiots as they have Morrison ranked 9th...and in no way should the next Larry Bird be ranked that low regardless of what he actually does (or doesn't do) on the court.

[Mustachio]

i didnt say gay sucks... i said he isnt a world killer right now, hes good but hes not leaps and bounds more productive or more potential laden than Morrison.

again im not saying Ammo is the greatest rookie ever or even that im impressed with his play so far. ALL im saying is. He is not a bust. and even if he turns out to be a bust. you can not say after the first year (especially when he at worst the 6-7 best rookie) that he is a bust.

[ziggy]

For me its hard to judge his talent level with Bickerstaff and Co. as the coaching staff. I'll wait to pass judgement after seeing Adam play under a real coach

[tray]

Well, the last draft was one of the worst overall drafts ever, so relatively speaking, he was about as good as you were going to get out of it.

[supadiscofly]

I agree with Ziggy. I'm actually a big Adam Morrison supporter and think he is an asset to the Bobcats. With a little more experience and better coaching, I think he will have a lot more to offer the team.

[Jonathanmartin7]

I'm still saying he'll be an all star as soon as he has a consistent group of players around him.