Goodbye Mr. Voskuhl! [Archive] - Bobcatsplanet Forum

ALong13

07-19-2007, 10:35 AM

So much for that long-term commitment he wanted...Here's a few guys left...put formal teams in parentheses...

Chris Mihm (LAL)
Anderson Varejao (Cle)
Pat Burke (Pho)
Scott Pollard (Cle)
Kevin Willis (Dal)
Chris Webber (Det)
Clifford Robbinson (NJ [too old IMO])
Dikembe Mutombo (Hou [too old IMO])
Pape Sow (Tor)

dav7z

07-19-2007, 10:40 AM

dnbman

07-19-2007, 11:23 AM

I don't understand it . He could of got that hear . He must have got mad because we didn't offer him long term.
Its not like hes going to be hard to replace. If no one else we can get mel back for less than 3 mil .

I'm not sure we would have given him $3 a year, even if it was one year.

It's probably good for both sides. Now Hollins has to step up.

I'm curious to see who we'll get to fill out the roster though.

ziggy

07-19-2007, 12:23 PM

Mustachio

07-19-2007, 12:26 PM

that is strange...

i really wouldnt mind any of those guys on the list cause they would all be pretty cheap and at least as effective as Jake.

ziggy

07-19-2007, 12:30 PM

I lied :) On the list, the only one that I could possibly tolerate is Varejo. He would bring no offense whatsoever, but he would grab some boards and play some D.

spectre

07-19-2007, 12:52 PM

Who's the next most aggressive defensive big behind Mek?

After you answer that one I don't think losing Jake looks all that good. No doubt Jake is realistically a 3rd C in a rotation, but our problem was we had no 2nd to beat him out. Primoz is all offense and flat out nasty D, Twiggy is at least another year away and Davidson seems to not be a banger either. If (God forbid) Mek goes down every opponent over 6-9 with an inside game is going to look like an all star against us.

dav7z

07-19-2007, 01:34 PM

I dont think Jake is going to make or break us. Its a lot more bigs out thair than on that list. We just got to pick the one who fits our team the best. I agree scoring is not much of a factor. We just need a defenceive persence.
Any ideas guys.
Hears a few more names i just dont know who could play defence.

http://www.hoopsworld.com/article_22323.shtml

dav7z

07-19-2007, 01:59 PM

hears a few more , some may be the same
Olowokandi, Sweetney p/f Pollard , JONES, Verjao, cavs K. Willis, Vanhorn p/f J.Sampson Dallas, D . Davis, Amir Johnson, Mihm, Marc Jackson,K, Cato, BO Outlaw p/f
, Calvin Booth.

spectre

07-19-2007, 02:18 PM

dav it breaks us only if we don't go after a replacement. I was thinking we could probably squeak by with the status quo IF we brought back Jake; now I think we have no choice. It was bad enough last year...this year we'd definitely be worse without something other than what we're standing with.

Alexander Johnson (cut by the Griz) might be an idea. Another could be Steven Hunter of the Sixers...that would require a trade but they're loaded with mediocre big guys and they approved a trade killed by a physical where they only received 2 2nd rounders.

Mustachio

07-19-2007, 02:21 PM

ummm... i highly disagree with trading away two 2nd rounders for a third string big man to replace Jake... especially when there are a ton more options that are free agents and better, and cheaper.

WarioVsMooChicken

07-19-2007, 02:27 PM

Should have resigned Voskul...

dnbman

07-19-2007, 02:34 PM

We'll get another player, and I don't think we'll have to sign him for $3M/Y. Jake would have been more than 6 fouls for us, but not much more. There are plenty of guys who can come in for 10-15 minutes a night and be rough and tumble.

We'll be o.k. without him, although we'd be smart to have one other veteran big on the roster, even if he's cheap.

dav7z

07-19-2007, 02:41 PM

I agree with both of you guys. We have to replace Jake with a vetran some how ,free agent. trade , what ever . We need Insurance. At this point i might sign two free agent bigs just for insurance. But that would mean Davidson goes to the D LEAGUE for a year. Its a lot of bigs left but are any of the ones we see .. worth a damn . Thoughts

Alex

07-19-2007, 03:24 PM

I say we go after the Brazillian Sideshow Bob.

Mustachio

07-19-2007, 03:26 PM

screw it... let davidson and hollins learn from experience. baptism by fire i say. no time like the present.

spectre

07-19-2007, 03:41 PM

screw it... let davidson and hollins learn from experience. baptism by fire i say. no time like the present.

Davidson isn't a banger and Hollins can't stay on the court without getting into foul trouble. We have NO bigs other than Emeka that can actually belly up against an opposing defender with any success.

If Mek goes down we're looking at Primoz being our main big guy...does that not scare the crap out of everyone else??? IMO we went in needing help and instead we lost the only guy who had a chance on defense other than Mek.

ummm... i highly disagree with trading away two 2nd rounders for a third string big man to replace Jake... especially when there are a ton more options that are free agents and better, and cheaper.

Hunter's career FG% is 57% and averages over a block a game. He's also known for doing pretty well in defending the paint, and he's only 26. Who could come in at a cheaper cost and contribute as well?

Not saying they aren't out there, but it's not like Hunter is worthless (not to mention we treat 2nd rd picks like they're nothing).

ALong13

07-19-2007, 03:44 PM

meh if we want to go after Hunter, I say we send them some expiring contracts that are really no use and will see limited time...

spectre

07-19-2007, 03:47 PM

I'm not dying for Hunter at all, but my main concern is obviously defense, and for that to happen the guy has to be smart enough not to foul out in 30 seconds (a problem with unexperienced guys). By going the undrafted/NBDL route I'm afraid that we'll get one of the latter guys. Hunter at least has experience and can stay on the court.

Slam

07-19-2007, 03:47 PM

screw it... let davidson and hollins learn from experience. baptism by fire i say. no time like the present.

Because that worked so well with Ammo - who was "meant" to actually be NBA ready?

I'd love to get Hunter in here. I wanted him back in '05 when he was a FA but the Sixers grabbed him.

He'd be ideal in the up tempo style we are hopefully going to play and provide coverage if EO50 gets drawn out of the paint.

And I'd sure and heck rather the 7 foot, 240lb athletic Hunter trying to guard Jermine, KG, Bosh's etc of the NBA than the 6'9" 220lb Fabio (who I like a lot but don't want to see abused at the 4)

dvdbumpus

07-19-2007, 05:33 PM

I'll take Scot Pollard 1 year vet minimum. He can run the floor and play banger defense...

All of them though...blech.

Chris Mihm if he's healthy maybe?

Chris#3

07-19-2007, 06:14 PM

I don't know about you guys, but I say we go after C-Webb. He ain't the old C-Webb, but he'll bring veteran leadership. He is still one of the best passing big man in the league and he still has his offense(just not athletic though as he once was). We put Mek at the 5 and Webb at the 4. We'll finally have a big man that can pass and score. That's alot of dishes to g-dub and J-rich. Think about it. :g:

jaxatax23

07-19-2007, 06:22 PM

yea c-web would be nice but how much is he askin for??? i think its gunna be more than we could offer.....i still say we package ammo an a draft pick for a solid big man

Chris#3

07-19-2007, 06:30 PM

Let's give Morrison 1 more season and see how he progresses. He only struggled in his
rookie season. Many nice players struggled in their rookie season. Let's just see what happens next season.

dav7z

07-19-2007, 06:31 PM

Chris#3

07-19-2007, 06:39 PM

Thank you Dav7z

123together

07-19-2007, 06:53 PM

if i had to choose a person from that list it would be chris mihm

dvdbumpus

07-19-2007, 07:17 PM

Once again another good post . And i like to hear all ideas hear . Its a lot smart posters hear on this site . Im not one but some of these guys are smarter than the news media. Welcome once again.

I kinda like it Webber it would cost . I dont know what kind of contract hes looking for, how much etc
Good thought.WHAT YOU GUYS THINK

You mean the Chris Webber that is 35 with multiple previous injuries, including knee surgery? The same Chris Webber with previous legal problems, has a tendency to not give 100%, and has lost his quickness? he was good, but is suited for a half-court offense like Detroit.

P.S. We're keeping Morrison and I don't see us trading him until the midseason at least. Versatile forwards are more important than big men in the supposed run and gun small ball offense that Vincent is supposedly going to run.

Phoenix only has 1 legit big man in Amare, and Golden State has Biedrins and not much other size. Okafor is better defensively than both.

Dead_Real

07-19-2007, 08:27 PM

Any update on Varejao? last I heard was that he got a pretty big contract offer from the Cavs to return but nothing was confirmed with him signing I wouldn't mind bringing him in as a back up.

dav7z

07-19-2007, 10:27 PM

Any update on Varejao? last I heard was that he got a pretty big contract offer from the Cavs to return but nothing was confirmed with him signing I wouldn't mind bringing him in as a back up.

I dont think we have enough money to sign Varejao under the cap.
After Wallace and Carroll we about six milion under the cap.We still have to sign three players . Either 2 points , and a big or 2 bigs and a point,with the six milion. Id prefer it all to be one year contracts. A veteran back up point and a rookie say a Bobby Brown. We can get that done for 2 milion i think that leaves us four milion for a big.
The Hunter thing sounds like it might work if hes a good defencive player. I dont know him would 4 milion get him or is that to high. Its just two areas we have to address befor season starts.

timang

07-20-2007, 12:12 AM

update: mihm just got signed back by the lakers...

http://www.nba.com/lakers/news/070719mihm.html

didn't you ever guys wondered why webber went to the pistons? and as much as i would like to have him here, probably he wouldn't. he's the type to want to get a ring now than to play for an up-and-coming team :mad: :(

tamburello

07-20-2007, 09:11 AM

didn't you ever guys wondered why webber went to the pistons? and as much as i would like to have him here, probably he wouldn't. he's the type to want to get a ring now than to play for an up-and-coming team :mad: :(

That's it. Even mentioning players like Webber is not good because of that.

As we're losing time, I think we'll go to players like Kelvin Cato. He might be an option for us. Or a rookie who showed a good performance in summer league, but wasn't signed by a club. We can find our Louis Amundson.

Steven Hunter is not a good defensive player, as well as not a good half-court offensive gun. But he's very suitable for an uptempo transition team. If we'll turn into one of them, we'd better begin preparing a package, or a second rounder for him.

Slam

07-20-2007, 09:35 AM

Steven Hunter is not a good defensive player
??????????

NOT a good defensive player?

Tell Seattle that (who he had 6 blocks against) or San An that who he had 15 boards against!!

ALong13

07-20-2007, 11:15 AM

Jermareo Davidson is pretty good at Defense, if he can bring it to the pro level, in college he averaged 14 ppg, 1.5 apg 8.2 rpg and 2.5 bpg....If he could bring the 2-3 blocks per game to the league, he could do very well...He was never a huge fouling guy, as last year he only averaged 1.8 fouls per game and only fouled out 5 times in his 126 career NCAA games...

tamburello

07-20-2007, 11:37 AM

I don't agree with you Big Slam. Doing such stats in a match or two or 82 shouldn't mean that a player is a good defensive player. He's a very soft big man as far as I know. He can be a great back up for a team like Suns(he was decent when he was with them).

Mustachio

07-20-2007, 01:21 PM

Steven Hunter is not a good defensive player
??????????

NOT a good defensive player?

Tell Seattle that (who he had 6 blocks against) or San An that who he had 15 boards against!!
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adam morrison not a good player???

tell indiana that, 30 pts 6 boards. ask NJ nets 27 points, 6 assist, 4 boards. tell minnesota that after he closed out the game with the last 26 points.
see i can do it too.

adam morrison has a lot more games that he was a good player than Steven hunter has as a defensive standout, i know that.
except it was morrisons first year in the league with a coach who gave him sporadic minutes.
but seriously... go look through adams rookie year game log.
he has the ability. look at the minutes and how their fluxuation accounts for his inconsitent play. Bernie coached him irratically and his numbers prove it.

dav7z

07-20-2007, 01:46 PM

Must you funny as hell , lol
Look at this guys i say we going after a big time big this year. Just because the way Wallaces contract is laided out.
http://www.hoopshype.com/salaries/charlotte.htm

WE going to make a move and we got about 8 milion to sign a point and a big a cheap point and even a long term big.
Trade , Free agent, somthings up look at Wallaces contract

Slam

07-20-2007, 02:24 PM

Steven Hunter is not a good defensive player
??????????

NOT a good defensive player?

Tell Seattle that (who he had 6 blocks against) or San An that who he had 15 boards against!!

adam morrison not a good player???

tell indiana that, 30 pts 6 boards. ask NJ nets 27 points, 6 assist, 4 boards. tell minnesota that after he closed out the game with the last 26 points.
see i can do it too.

adam morrison has a lot more games that he was a good player than Steven hunter has as a defensive standout, i know that.
except it was morrisons first year in the league with a coach who gave him sporadic minutes.
but seriously... go look through adams rookie year game log.
he has the ability. look at the minutes and how their fluxuation accounts for his inconsitent play. Bernie coached him irratically and his numbers prove it.
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Wow - how did this become ANOTHER Ammo thread??

Ammo was taken #3 over all. You'd bet your arse he'd want to be a lot better than a dude like Hunter.

All we are suggesting to give up to get Hunter is Harrington and a 2nd or two.

That's a whole lot better than using the #3 overall pick on a guy who starred in school but who's game and attitude can't cut it in the NBA.

Geraldmutumbo

07-22-2007, 10:54 AM

I don't think that Jake really fits into the uptempo style we will be using next season, so it was likely our decision not to bring him back.

timang

07-22-2007, 08:31 PM

I don't think that Jake really fits into the uptempo style we will be using next season, so it was likely our decision not to bring him back.

geraldmutombo, welcome to bocbatsplanet! nice name... :wink:

most probably, but his crazy foul-everybody-on-the-way game will be sorely missed this coming season. :P :biggrin: