A few notable point guards left...

[ALong13]

While looking for another center, I came across a few more points....

PG Jannero Pargo (Hornets--formal team) PPG 9.2 | APG 2.5 | SPG 0.6
PG Earl Boykins (Bucks--formal team) PPG 14.6 | APG 4.4 | SPG 0.8
PG Jeff McInnis (Bobcats--formal team) PPG 4.3 | APG 3.3 | SPG 0.4
PG Will Blalock (Pistons--formal team) PPG 1.8 | APG 1.2 | 3P% .200
PG Daniel Ewing (Clippers--formal team) PPG 2.9 | APG 1.5 | 3P% .318
PG Junior Harrington (Grizzlies--formal team) PPG 5.2 | APG 3.1 | SPG 0.7
PG Darrick Martin (Raptors--formal team) PPG 3 | APG 1.4 | SPG 0.1


I actually wouldn't mind Pargo from the Hornets, he made 1 million last year, so he wouldn't be too much and his season wasn't too bad...McInnis would be a bad guy to resign. Harrington either....

[dnbman]

Pargo would be a nice fit, as would his running mate, Devin Brown. I'd probably prefer Brown, but either would be nice if the price is right.

[Mustachio]

why is everyone so high on Devin Brown.... not that i disagree... i just dont know anything about him... care to enlighten?

[dav7z]

The guy can flat out fly . He would be great for a run a gun off. Hes just young a may make a lot of mistakes.He would be a great 3rd point. Hes got a lot of upside. I would still like to see Armstrong from Gastonia as a veteran back up.

[spectre]

Figuring we're going to have approx. 7 million to work with in getting both a big & a backup PG, what would it take to get Pargo, Brown or Armstrong salary wise?

[dnbman]

Devin Brown slipped off the radar two years ago when he signed with Utah. He broke out a little bit with San Antonio in 04-05, not playing consistently, but playing very well when he played. He was more of a shooting guard in San Antonio as he was in Utah. He couldn't quite get his game together and kind of disappeared. However, last year he had a nice little run starting for New Orleans. He got some nice assist numbers and was able to score.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3673/gamelog;_ylt=Amas..36Ep6i6d6OnuiTNVqkvLYF

I can't find the article, but I read somewhere that the Hornet coaches liked Brown better than Pargo because he was a little more steady. He started a lot of games for NO to.

By the way, I read that Pargo was looking for a 4 year deal in excess of the $1.05/Y he was getting. If we could sign either of those guys for $2/Y at three or four years, that would probably be alright.

I'd be happy with either as a backup, but if they were both going to be about the same price, we might as well get the one more favored by coaches.

[ALong13]

If Pargo would take a deal maybe 2-3 years at 1.25 million I say give it to him, he's be a nice back-up...

[dav7z]

I think about 1.25 might get Armstrong for one year vet mim.
Brown im not sure about like Pargo 1,25 for about 3 years.
Me i personally would rather go with a one year. With any of those three .
May be Armstrong for one and Brown for three years. Give brown a chance to get use to being the no. 2 point.
Or just Armstrong and draft say a TY,Lawson next year.
Geting a decent big scares me more than geting a back up point.

[Alex]

While looking for another center, I came across a few more points....

PG Jannero Pargo (Hornets--formal team) PPG 9.2 | APG 2.5 | SPG 0.6
PG Earl Boykins (Bucks--formal team) PPG 14.6 | APG 4.4 | SPG 0.8
PG Jeff McInnis (Bobcats--formal team) PPG 4.3 | APG 3.3 | SPG 0.4
PG Will Blalock (Pistons--formal team) PPG 1.8 | APG 1.2 | 3P% .200
PG Daniel Ewing (Clippers--formal team) PPG 2.9 | APG 1.5 | 3P% .318
PG Junior Harrington (Grizzlies--formal team) PPG 5.2 | APG 3.1 | SPG 0.7
PG Darrick Martin (Raptors--formal team) PPG 3 | APG 1.4 | SPG 0.1


Pargo is basically the only guy from that list that I would spend money on. I have no idea why Ewing is listed as a PG. He'll never make it at the 1 in the NBA, he wans't one in college.

[spectre]

Hey, those numbers look pretty good! If Armstrong would come for the vet minimum I'd like him for experience, and probably Pargo next and really look to lock him in as 2nd PG...esp. if we can get him that cheap.

Those look a heckuva lot better than the deals I've been seeing (Arroyo for 4, Rafer Alsten 3/15, etc.).

[Slam]

Devin Brown slipped off the radar two years ago when he signed with Utah. He broke out a little bit with San Antonio in 04-05, not playing consistently, but playing very well when he played. He was more of a shooting guard in San Antonio as he was in Utah. He couldn't quite get his game together and kind of disappeared. However, last year he had a nice little run starting for New Orleans. He got some nice assist numbers and was able to score.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3673/gamelog;_ylt=Amas..36Ep6i6d6OnuiTNVqkvLYF

I can't find the article, but I read somewhere that the Hornet coaches liked Brown better than Pargo because he was a little more steady. He started a lot of games for NO to.

By the way, I read that Pargo was looking for a 4 year deal in excess of the $1.05/Y he was getting. If we could sign either of those guys for $2/Y at three or four years, that would probably be alright.

I'd be happy with either as a backup, but if they were both going to be about the same price, we might as well get the one more favored by coaches.


Solid breakdown on Brown's game. I see him sort of like a more athletic Salmon's - someone who CAN play the point but shouldn't do it as his full time job. I also remember reading that Scott sat Pargo in favor of starting Brown at the point when Paul was out. He passed it off as wanting Pargo to get more comfortable with his original role as the bench PG for when Paul came back but I'm not so sure. Pargo is a bit of a shoot first PG which I don't dig, although I do like Pargo over all.

Fats (at RGM) has been thrashing Junior Harrington for a while - but I think they went to the same school or something? His numbers is ALong13 breakdown look ok though?

I like DJ Strawberry who was the 2nd to last pick in the draft for the Suns. He tore up the SL and really showed his stuff. He reminds me of a young DA. We sure could use his D and size!!

Here's some stuff on him:

http://www.nbadraft.net/admincp/profiles/djstrawberry.html

http://www.nba.com/summerleague2007/players/strawberry_071107.html

http://www.draftexpress.com/viewprofile.php?p=1076

http://www.draftexpress.com/viewarticle.php?a=2177

[jpf_v2.0]

I'd be all for Devin Brown. He could be very valuable as a back-up point & even play some 2 if we needed....especially as a defensive sub since none of our 2's are strong on that end of the floor.

[dnbman]

I'd be all for Devin Brown. He could be very valuable as a back-up point & even play some 2 if we needed....especially as a defensive sub since none of our 2's are strong on that end of the floor.


That's what I was thinking. Plus, if Felton plays good, he's somewhat of an iron man. So getting a little more value out of backup point couldn't hurt.

[jpf_v2.0]

I'd be all for Devin Brown. He could be very valuable as a back-up point & even play some 2 if we needed....especially as a defensive sub since none of our 2's are strong on that end of the floor.


That's what I was thinking. Plus, if Felton plays good, he's somewhat of an iron man. So getting a little more value out of backup point couldn't hurt.


Precisely!

[timang]

get 'em. my order of preference:

1. armstrong
2. brown
3. pargo

brown and armstrong are a close call for me though :g:

[x2pacalypse]

brown AND armstrong IMO

brown can play 1 or 2 so that provides even more depth

[tamburello]

I think Armstrong will be followed by a contender team, because he was a crucial reason for Dallas' final run in 2006. He's a wanted veteran presence in locker room.

To me, Jannero Pargo and Keith McLeod should be sensible destinations for Jordan S.S.

[dav7z]

I think Armstrong would jump on a chance to come back and play for his home town croud . I watched him play in high . And fight to make a pro team . He is a great locor room presence and can still get the job done. Out of all the points left he would be the biggest help to Felton under a new coach . Hes better than B.K. and one hell of a nice guy. Plus hes good for 500 more buts in the seats from Gastonia.

[jpf_v2.0]

There's 500 people in Gastonia? :g:


j/k

[123together]

PG Junior Harrington (Grizzlies--formal team) PPG 5.2 | APG 3.1 | SPG 0.7


harrington is the choice. he is a wingate alum ( i am a wingate student) so he obviously would be the best choice haha

[dav7z]

Heard hes going to be Belmont Abbys coach this year.
The job pays 10 k and all the mass time you want.Oh and free meals at the HEIDE . and a dorm room all to yourself.

[dav7z]

There's 500 people in Gastonia? :g:

If we count all the chickens and cows. lol


j/k

[Geraldmutumbo]

My choices:
Brown- very good long term prospect
Pargo- love his shooting
Boykins- love the chaos he creates on the court due to his size.
McInnis- He loves being here to much to cause any issues, and then you just got to love the size he gives you at the point.

[ziggy]

I actually like the job that Mcinnis did last year as a backup PG, and I'd like to see him backing up Ray for 10-15 minutes per game, but with Phil Ford on the bench, I just can't see it happening. With that being said, Boykins wouldn't be a bad pickup at PG, he'd be able to come in and maintain Ray's pace.

[dvdbumpus]

I actually like the job that Mcinnis did last year as a backup PG, and I'd like to see him backing up Ray for 10-15 minutes per game, but with Phil Ford on the bench, I just can't see it happening. With that being said, Boykins wouldn't be a bad pickup at PG, he'd be able to come in and maintain Ray's pace.


Agreed about Mcinnis. When he was in the game the team seemed to score tons of points and average nearly 55% FG. He did quite well when given minutes. However, that Phil Ford thing just won't work out.

[Dead_Real]

No confirmation on us signing Brown yet? and yea Jeff seemed like he didn't mind taking a back seat to Felton (well that's what he said in interviews) it just sucks that the heat with Ford will more than likely keep him off of the Bobcats.

[Mustachio]

why are we willing to give up Jeff McInnis for Phil Ford??

everyone seems to think that because they dont get along, that we cant have both of them
so if we gotta give up one, why wouldnt we give up the assistant point guard coach. because last time i checked, no assistant point guard coach has ever won a World Championship.

but i can think of several key backup point guards who led their teams when the starter went down, allowing the team to stay competitive while their floor general healed.

i think, believe it or not that Jeff was good for the locker room last year... he befriended Ammo and was there encouraging him when he had a bad night or a bad call, and was more than happy being the backup guard to Felton. and its not like jeff is gonna lose games... hes very efficient, nothing real flashy and he keeps things flowing.

in my opinion, we should just resign him and kick fords tail to the curb. if ford cant get over it.

[dav7z]

We just gave Ford a contract its no way Jeff comes back over him . Damn M.J and Bernie are not crazy. Its a dozen point guards out thair to fill that role. The team would have kept B.K. if the team wanted to take a chance on inturnal problems. Its just no way in hell Jeff ends up in Charlotte.

[timang]

guys by the way, what do you think of the rockets?

they're absolutely having a logjam at the point spot w/ five PG's currently on their roster (francis, james, alston, brooks, head) and i could sense that not all of them will be there this season. thoughts?

[dvdbumpus]

guys by the way, what do you think of the rockets?

they're absolutely having a logjam at the point spot w/ five PG's currently on their roster (francis, james, alston, brooks, head) and i could sense that not all of them will be there this season. thoughts?


I'd like to have Luther Head, but no way I'd want Francis, Mike James, Rafer Alston, or Brooks(?).

[timang]

aaron brooks (#26 draft pick) made a great showing at the summer league.

his stats: 21.4 pts, 3.2 rebs, 5.2 asts, .461 FG%, .419 3pt%, .857% from the line.

not that the summer league matters, but he's sure got game.

[dvdbumpus]

Those are pretty impressive stats for summer league.

[dav7z]

What do you guys think about Dee Brown . Hes cheap has some experiance . Has no team to play for now . The kid has jets on his feet . Just right for a run and gun offence . He should do great in Charlotte. His web site call him the one man fast break.
http://www.deebrown11.com/blog/
Whats you guys thoughts on him backing up Felton

[tamburello]

Dee Brown can be suitable for an up-tempo team. I hope we can land him.

[dvdbumpus]

A new poll was added so that we can organize everyone's opinion....

[ALong13]

If Boykins isn't going to sign with no body, and I haven't heard any teams talking to him, why not go after the veteran? Dee Brown would be my next pick, with that followed with Harrington, and finally Bobby Brown...

[jaxatax23]

i want dee brown real bad...when utah came to charlotte last year, he led the team during pre-game shoot arounds an was sick as hell...normally the teams would come out an do shooting drills with the other coach's but not utah...they just played a big game of follow the leader an it was led by dee brown...he's got the perfect speed and quickness for our offense...he didnt have many freak athletes in utah to have a fast break offense....but now he would have wallace an JRich...i cant even imagine how exciting that would be

a combo of him an felton at point would make defenses very tired...with that said, id also like to get mcinnis back...i think we could do this for a great price

[Muttley]

Yeah, Brown would be a good pick-up.

Also, Portland may be dropping a point guard from their roster:
http://blog.oregonlive.com/blazers/2007/07/to_the_point_1.html
Jack would be a good get, but Sergio Rodriguez doesn't look too bad either.

[fatlever]

i love junior for the bobcats. he's a local kid from wingate, he plays awesome defense and he's big enough (6'4") to defend both guard spots, if needed, plus he has some experience as a starter (for the nuggets) and a bench player (for the griz). however, he wont do anything flashy on offense and his jumper is questionable. he's not the answer to all our problems but he would be a solid addition.

[dnbman]

Fatlever from RealGM?

These boards are getting harder and harder to distinguish everyday!

BTW... I lurk a lot on RealGM's boards, but don't post. I'm pretty active everywhere else.

Welcome!

[Jonathanmartin7]

Back to the Rockets, I wonder if there is anyway to pry Head loose from them. I love his hustle, not to mention his jumper, that kid is spot on from 3 and to be as little as he is he's tuff as a nail. We should be able to swing something for him.

As for the whole thing about Phil and Jeff. That's been over a long time. I really don't see it being a problem if it was MJ would have already made it know that we weren't interested in resigning him. Which he has not done to my knowledge.

[TheBeagle]

guys by the way, what do you think of the rockets?

they're absolutely having a logjam at the point spot w/ five PG's currently on their roster (francis, james, alston, brooks, head) and i could sense that not all of them will be there this season. thoughts?
Good point. I think Brooks or Head would be a good addition. Also, if Alston wasn't such a headache for his coaching staff and some teammates, he'd be a great fit.

[WarioVsMooChicken]

Give me Earl Boykins, Bobby Brown, or Jeff Mcinnis...

[fatlever]

Fatlever from RealGM?

These boards are getting harder and harder to distinguish everyday!

BTW... I lurk a lot on RealGM's boards, but don't post. I'm pretty active everywhere else.

Welcome!


haha... yes, same fats... i go where the action is, lol. i read this board daily.

[dav7z]

Fats glad to have ya hear to . I read your post on RealGM and they damn good . Start some topics and or post hear more . Glad to have ya.

[ALong13]

Welcome and hope you stick around....

Minnesota just released veteran pg Troy Hudson, I'm sure we could get him at a reduce price, never watched any of him, so how would he fit in?

Edit: just saw that he was shooting 38% FG....not something I want on the team...