I think we should trade with Seattle.

[dvdbumpus]

Apparantly Nick Collison, Earl Watson, and Luke Ridnour are on the trade block, as they are trading away players for the future.

I would really like to have Nick Collison and Earl Watson. That would solve two of our problems - a big that can start and score in the post as well as a backup PG that can defend.

Collison did well last year when given the oppertunity(when Ray Allen went down with injury), averaging 15 points and 11 boards for the month of January (to go along with a block and only 1 TO average). He's also athletic and can run the floor, so I think he would excel with us.

With Seattle rebuilding, what do you think it would take to get 1 or 2 of the players mentioned? I could/would offer picks, Hollins, as well as expiring contracts (since they just did the same with Kurt Thomas) like Othella, etc. I'd consider Dudley as well.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/sports/2003799227_soni21.html

[twebb]

I think that we should hold on to dudley at least for a year. These guys would be great backups, especially ridnour at the point, but you never know about an unproven rook.

[dvdbumpus]

I think that we should hold on to dudley at least for a year. These guys would be great backups, especially ridnour at the point, but you never know about an unproven rook.


agreed about the rook, and I would like to hold onto him if possible. But to get a consistant double double threat that can run the floor, I'd strongly consider it.

[123together]

i would think collison would be a great addition to the team. i would take ridnour over watson tho cuz ridnour runs a better uptempo style offense. at oregon, he was the reason they were top 5 in the nation in scoring before him and luke jackson left for the league. with vincent going uptempo, i'd like ridnour as a backup ( he is horrible on D tho)

[tamburello]

I like Ridnour as a PG and take him over Watson any day. But I don't think he'll settle for back-up PG role. He's still 26 and I'm sure he wants to run a team on floor. That would cause a problem, just like Sonics faced last season between Watson and Ridnour.

But I don't think picks would work to set up a deal. Because Seattle has 5 first round picks in the next 3 years. They shouldn't be wanting more picks.

[Geraldmutumbo]

Honestly I do not really want to pursue anyone as high profile as Earl Watson as our back up. I would rather just sign a solid vet who can come in and hold us down for a year or two and search for a long term solution with our next draft pick. :burp:

[dvdbumpus]

ok, How about Nick Collison and Delonte West then? I'd like grabbing those two players. I can also pretty much assure that West doesn't have any misconceptions about thinking he's starter material. Now, what would that take?

Now, I hate to bring up Adam as he's always in talks, but I know he's probably one of the best bargaining chips to offer, being his home state and all. He could even compete with Jeff Green for starting SF spot. I'd love to keep him, but if we can get a solid backup PG and a double double machine starting PF that is young, athletic, and a good team guy, I'd strongly look into it.

After looking into it, I'd say that Seattle would probably try to pawn off Watson because of his salary(3 years 18.6 million which is nearly the same for Ridnour), and West's salary is 1.9 million. Let's hope they accept trading West...and here's how it might go.

Seattle gives:
West
Collison
2008 or 2010 Phoenix 1st round pick

Salaries = 7.65 million next year

Charlotte Gives:
Adam or Dudley (by far prefer swapping Dudley)
Othella or Primoz
Hollins or pick to be used for another trade

Salaries = 6-7 million; with all contracts being team options(adam), draft picks(not counting against cap), Othella or Primoz(expiring), Hollins(cheap and part of revamping), or draft picks(trade package piece).

Seattle is acting just like the 76ers, who want to dump salary and start the team over, while cutting salary to make a splash for someone else later. This year they are currently @ roughly 63 million, so the contracts will be helpful for cutting salary or as useful trade bait if they're competitive.


In turn, we get the 2 pieces we are looking for: a big man that can contribute and be reliable, as well as a backup point that can run the show for extended periods if needed. The contracts we'd pick up are all reasonable.
Please, provide feedback and let me know what you think we should do!

[dnbman]

I don't know if they'd trade West. He's a great all around player who will give them a lot of defensive tenacity in the backcourt.

Watson and Ridnour are both very high priced for backups.

Collison would be a great addition, but I don't see them trading a young PF for a question mark in Morrison and some journeyman. I'm not so sure Seattle has given up on Collison either.

You always put feelers out for trades, but I agree with Gerald: let's get a cheap pg for now and maybe draft a better backup later.

[dvdbumpus]

Who's probable to be in the NBA draft for the 2008 season as either a C or a PF that would fit our supposed style of play?

[dnbman]

Who's probable to be in the NBA draft for the 2008 season as either a C or a PF that would fit our supposed style of play?


I just glanced at http://www.nbadraft.net/ for mid rounders next year. They have Devon Hardin at 21. Check out his evaluation from a couple of years ago and look at his stats:

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/player/profile?playerId=22477

Maybe DJ White out of Indiana:

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/player/profile?playerId=22340

and the All-Name selection: Longar Longar

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/player/profile?playerId=22159

I'm not enough of a college fan to be able to say. But these three put up pretty good numbers and one of them might be available. We won't start to get a good picture of the draft until February though.

The good news is that next year's draft is looking heavy on pgs and bigs.


edit:

another one to watch:

Taj Gibson

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/player/profile?playerId=31775

[TheBeagle]

I think the best option would be:

Bobcats acquire Collison and draft pick

Sonics acquire Morrison


I've been very quiet about Morrison on this board, but I wasn't happy when we picked him 3rd last year, and wasn't terribly impressed with his play this season. That said, I'm not out there demanding a trade, because he showed flashes, and the offensive potential is there, but I believe he'll always be a defensive liability and will probably never crack the starting lineup here; so why not let him get a chance to start in Seattle, and have Collison be our 5 who obviously fits our up-tempo style. I'd be pleased with this, but not devastated if it didn't happen. I agree with the others about wanting to sign a more veteran, MLE PG than Watson. I don't even know who, if anyone, fits that criteria, but that's the avenue I'd take this season.

[Mustachio]

its still trading a big for a small...if your a NBA GM thats an automatic red flag... so im thinking wed have to give up more than Ammo. especially since they already have Jeff Green, Kevin Durant, and Wally at the SF spot.

they need bigs just like we do. if they trade away collison.. then their biggest need would be PF.

not to mention a quick look at Nick Collisons stats doesnt impress. 9 points a game, under 1 block a game, he does get 8 boards on average and thats pretty damn good.

i do know that Collison only gets 30 minutes a game and probally could get better stats in a starting role on a faster paced team. and i do know that he is a big we desperatley need, but it would have to be for more than just ammo.

likely:
Collison
West
2010 Pheonix first rounder
for
Ammo
Primoz
and 2008 first rounder.

too much

[dnbman]

I think I'd probably do that trade. West would be fantastic depth for us. I hate losing the pick next year, but getting the 2010 1st rounder would be perfect if this core group isn't working out. Meanwhile we'd address both of our biggest needs while admittedly giving up on our project lottery pick.

If the trade didn't directly address our two biggest needs, I'd say no. But both of those guys are solid and young.

[Mustachio]

however if we do as well as we all hope... then a draft pick really isnt a concern. picking in the mid 20s is a quality player... but its not something you hold onto for dear life.

id do that trade actually. id have to be convinced that Nick Collison is the PF of the future for us before i did it though. and id like to get some PT from Dudley before we think we can start trading away quality depth.

[dav7z]

I think the points are two expensive . I do think its where AMMO gets fiir value over any other team.
If They want Ammo a straight up trade with NOTHING added in nothing else . Like ive said about Ammo im willing to trade him for the right price but not give him away . He might end up a star and Charltte ends up looking stupid.

[jaxatax23]

i would do that trade any day

[dvdbumpus]

Mustachio, to convince you slightly, The Sonics have Wilcox at PF, they also have Johan Petro, Mouhamed Sene, Robert Swift, and Kurt Thomas. With this being a rebuilding team, I think they would use Wilcox @ PF and the 3 youngs guns @ center as a tandem - all the while having Thomas provide the consistancy and backup. Sene and Swift are lotto picks that have huge upside, as well as Petro who has shown flashes.

Another reason I've kinda been a fan of Collison is that when Ray Allen went down with an injury, and the team lost it's identity (perimeter shooting as their primary weapon hence Allen and Lewis and Ridnour etc) he stepped up and averaged 15 points, over 11 boards, a block, nearly a steal, and only turned over the ball 1.1 times/game. During that month (January) he also shot 60.5%. Another plus: he's a 73.5% FT shooter, last year shooting 77%. A big importance for us is this one: He doesn't miss games - missed 16 games 1 year, and has been in the league 3 years(about 77 games/year average).

Then there's Delonte West. A solid all around player that can play the Point, and has the size to fill in @ SG if needed.


Collison needs the chance because he's averaged 22 minutes a game spanning 3 years, and has produced when called upon. If we can get him, West, and a pick for some of our players, I see it as a win win. Morrison unfortunately, unless he steps it up majorly or crash/J-rich go down or suck, will probably leave as a FA or be traded sometime just because of the logjam. Hate to say it because he has a bright future, but crash and J-rich are likely to be the starters.

[dav7z]

Ok Bump you have convinced me , Idont know him that well But if you are so sure about the trade thats good enough for me. GOOD POST REP IT UP .

[swetooth9]

I like trying to get collison, but i'd like to keep dudley for at least 1 or 2 seasons to see what he can do for us. Dudley was one of my favorite players in college b/c of his aggressive and scrappy style of play. He was able to play against both smaller and bigger players by utilizing his body and basketball IQ.

But yea, collison is a guy we might want to target...

as for the point guards, I like ridnour the most, but he wouldn't settle for being a bench guy i dont think...I like west though...he would be perfect for the job

[dav7z]

Welcome to the board Chrispy . Bobcatsplanet is the best site around for Bobcats talk news blogs ect. Glad to have ya.

[Keetch]

I think the Bobcats REALLY like Dudley and I do too; I don't see them moving him, thank goodness. The guy will fill the stat sheet.

I would trade AMMO straight up for Collison in a heartbeat however....no offense to Adam, but he is what he is. And Seattle is home for him; they'd give him tons of love there.

[dvdbumpus]

Welcome Chrispy!!!!


Does Chrispy mean Sean "Chrispy" May? :P

[Jonathanmartin7]

I wouldn't trade Ammo for Collinson. Ammo has far more potential. This is the last time you'll have to hear it cause i'm not going to reply to any threads suggesting we trade him anymore. But, 1 year doesn't make a career. We should give the team we've put together a chance before we get rid of somebody as good as Ammo. And only to get collison in return, I mean he's good, but Ammo has All-Star potential. Does anybody here see collison playing in an all-star game. He wouldn't start in the D-league all-star game.

[timang]

I wouldn't trade Ammo for Collinson. Ammo has far more potential. This is the last time you'll have to hear it cause i'm not going to reply to any threads suggesting we trade him anymore. But, 1 year doesn't make a career. We should give the team we've put together a chance before we get rid of somebody as good as Ammo. And only to get collison in return, I mean he's good, but Ammo has All-Star potential. Does anybody here see collison playing in an all-star game. He wouldn't start in the D-league all-star game.


i think i'd have to take part myself in jmartin's abstinence on ammo trade talks. it's making my head swirl... :hypo:. just get better adam, if you'll ever read this, and these trade talks will shut themselves away. :bowdown:

[dvdbumpus]

I wouldn't trade Ammo for Collinson. Ammo has far more potential. This is the last time you'll have to hear it cause i'm not going to reply to any threads suggesting we trade him anymore. But, 1 year doesn't make a career. We should give the team we've put together a chance before we get rid of somebody as good as Ammo. And only to get collison in return, I mean he's good, but Ammo has All-Star potential. Does anybody here see collison playing in an all-star game. He wouldn't start in the D-league all-star game.



He's by far not the first option or choice that we'd want to consider trading, just a package deal may lead to him more likely being involved.

Personally, I suggest Dudley. I like his game, but he's down on the depth chart with Ammo, Matt, Fabio, and others. If we can get a big, not even just Nick Collison, but a guy with some more experience and the size to play the PF or C spot, it oughtta be strongly considered.

J-mart, we don't want to trade Adam, he's just one of the more attractive pieces we have. If only we could trade Othella for someone else of use 8)

[Chris#3]

Sorry to break it down, but Seattle is trash. they have no one really that good. they let go of Ray allen because of a *hand quote* promising young star, Durant....morons. Anyway, I'd like to get Ridnour as our backup point but strongly doubt that would happen.