Varejao

[jamesmoye42]

He is still on the market as a restricted... he would probably fit as a big man who can run the floor as a starter beside Oak... any thoughts?

[dav7z]

I think we far enough under the cap to sign him. But as far as i know we have not showed any intrest in him at all. I dont know why we don't offer a number on him just to force Clevlands hand. See they got cap truble and cant sign him and keep Gooden. He might be a good value after being on the market this long.
I wouldn't mind seeing a sign and trade with him and Morrison. I think we could get the saleries to work.

[ALong13]

I wouldn't mind him, I've just never really cared for him, offensively he's ok, but defensively, I don't think he's what we need, I wouldn't be upset with him, I just don't think he's needed...

[123together]

i don't like him very much. he reminds me of joakim noah too much. his swagger/cockiness and lack of offensive skill are red flags for me. but he does have cool/marketable hair

[new2bobs]

Oh no, could we please not bring Andy here? I have enough issues with him in Cleveland. I want DREW to come here, not Andy! He's such an annoying little kid. And he's gonna start getting busted for being a flopper. And Coach Mike Brown is completely in love with him, so he's not gonna let him go to another team. Trust me, the image people have of Andy is off. He's nothing special defensively, and he's nothing, PERIOD, on offense. As a Cavs fan, trust me, I've looked into it deeply.

[qchoops]

Varejao has become overrated due to his comical appearance. For a hustle player as he is supposed to be, he's solid as a rebounder, at around 11 boards per 40 minutes, but very weak offensively, averaging about the same number of points (and that's with LeBron setting him up for easy opps). Additionally, he is not a shot-blocking presence, something the Bobcats could use considering only Emeka and Gerald do much on that front from the current roster.

[dvdbumpus]

He's a big man, and that's what we are in dire need for. In all honesty, I wouldn't have minded Noah's game if it didn't cost us the 8th pick. Varajao, if he could be had for roughly 4 million a year, I'd do that in a heartbeat.

We need rebounding, a guy that can run the floor, and backup Okafor/play PF a good amount. I don't think he's the best option, but with the dire need of a big and the lack of quality players left, he'd be the best option.

P.S. I don't care if we have a flopper since other teams use them against us. Maybe we'd stop having the D-Wade calls go against us all the time.

[dav7z]

I say we trade Morrison for Gooden . That way they can stay under the luxery tax and we get a decent starting big and they can resign Varejao. We might be able to get a 2nd rounder in it to.
1. They get a possable star and a favorable contract in Morrison. They all so get enough under the lux tax to sign Varejao.
2. We get a starting p/f and take on a nice size mulyi year contract and a second round draft pick.

Gooden would fill a big hole for us at p/f and we would become one of the top teams in the east right off the bat. Just add a vet point.

[dvdbumpus]

I say we trade Morrison for Gooden . That way they can stay under the luxery tax and we get a decent starting big and they can resign Varejao. We might be able to get a 2nd rounder in it to.
1. They get a possable star and a favorable contract in Morrison. They all so get enough under the lux tax to sign Varejao.
2. We get a starting p/f and take on a nice size mulyi year contract and a second round draft pick.

Gooden would fill a big hole for us at p/f and we would become one of the top teams in the east right off the bat. Just add a vet point.


I'll be first to say please, please no. We don't need a 2nd tier inconsistant player. I've always wanted to root for him, and the talent he shows at times is exciting, but then he pulls a moron move or has a god awful game. It's like Sean May with the potential then the letdown. It also says something that he gets less than 30 minutes on a moderately talented team.

[dav7z]

So would you guys rather have Gooden or Varejao or nither

[spectre]

If it's cheap (like Primoz + capspace) I'd take either...meaning we'd get Gooden. I'm not really a fan of Varejao but the boy does bring energy and he gets the calls for flopping.

I'd lean toward Gooden personally as a preference...mainly because he seems to fit our need more. Maybe Dudley will be "our" Varejao or Haslem.

[dvdbumpus]

So would you guys rather have Gooden or Varejao or nither



I'd pick Gooden because he has better post skills and more of a scorer's knack. We need a solid interior scorer that can play defense a bit rather than the other way around....

[new2bobs]

I say we trade Morrison for Gooden . That way they can stay under the luxery tax and we get a decent starting big and they can resign Varejao. We might be able to get a 2nd rounder in it to.
1. They get a possable star and a favorable contract in Morrison. They all so get enough under the lux tax to sign Varejao.
2. We get a starting p/f and take on a nice size mulyi year contract and a second round draft pick.

Gooden would fill a big hole for us at p/f and we would become one of the top teams in the east right off the bat. Just add a vet point.


I'll be first to say please, please no. We don't need a 2nd tier inconsistant player. I've always wanted to root for him, and the talent he shows at times is exciting, but then he pulls a moron move or has a god awful game. It's like Sean May with the potential then the letdown. It also says something that he gets less than 30 minutes on a moderately talented team.


This is the problem I have with Cleveland. As a Cavs fan for the last couple years, I've really looked at the team and the issues in there. Our coach, Mike Brown, is a complete moron, totally worthless, period. He doesn't use Drew Gooden correctly and that's THE NUMBER ONE problem Drew has. He gets a lot of undeserved criticism and blame put on him, but he's in the wrong system. As a huge huge huge Drew fan, trust me, I've really analyzed his situation. Us Drew fans hate that he's so unappreciated and people claim they'd rather have Carlos Boozer back, but Boozer was nothing in Cleveland, it wasn't until he found his team in Utah that he did his best. Drew would be great on the Suns. He needs a smarter coach to know what to do with him. I could give you all the details I've come up with, but I would really go on and on about this situation, so maybe another post...

[qchoops]

Sorry, new2bobs, but that is a bit of revisionist history: Boozer was already well on his way to being a very solid player when he left Cleveland. He averaged 15.5 points and 11.4 in his second year in the league (and last in Cleveland).

[dvdbumpus]

And then Boozer because a complete deutsche to the world and spurned the Cavs(woulda won the championship if he was there)


OF course, the GM was a moron for not having official paperwork and allow other teams to sign him.

[qchoops]

Agreed that it was not a good decision: I mean Cleveland isn't the greatest city, but don't you have to sit down and think, "Ok, I can either play with LeBron...or I can live in Utah. Lebron...Utah."

[dvdbumpus]

Yeah, Lebron makes everything easy for others. When Cleveland fans have something to cheer about, they're an excellent fan base.

[dav7z]

I say we make some kind of offer to this kid. He would fill a frunt court hole. Hes just 24 and his numbers are not that bad. At the very least we force A Clevland team to decide to pay him the bucks or not. They want to sign this kid on the cheap. Thet allready at the lux tax. We just offer somthing like 4 years 20 milion see what Cleavland does. Thats like 4 years 40 milion to them.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3847

You can all so check out some other free agents. Pickings are getting slim.


http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2654216

[davcbow]

I agree dav7z he would work out good for us and your idea could work too although I think we could get him for 4 years 10 Million or less. :g:

[new2bobs]

I say we make some kind of offer to this kid. He would fill a frunt court hole. Hes just 24 and his numbers are not that bad. At the very least we force A Clevland team to decide to pay him the bucks or not. They want to sign this kid on the cheap. Thet allready at the lux tax. We just offer somthing like 4 years 20 milion see what Cleavland does. Thats like 4 years 40 milion to them.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3847

You can all so check out some other free agents. Pickings are getting slim.


http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2654216





Cleveland would let him go at that point, trust me. They WON'T give in to him, his numbers aren't good enough. He's a bench player, behind Drew Gooden and he's no good as a starter and they know that. He's only worth something to us coming off the bench. They won't overpay him. He's just not important enough.

[dvdbumpus]

Gooden just doesn't fit in Cleveland, period. If they'd pay some of his contract I'd take him. He's better offensively and adequate defensively, and could easily average 12 boards a game. He was one of the top offense board players in the game, and as a weird fact, he had the most offensive rebounds of any player in the league after free throws are shot. Crash misses a free throw? Who cares - Gooden grabs it and tips it in....that'd be golden.

Too bad that wouldn't happen, but I'll take Varajao at a slight overpay 2-4 years 11 - 17 milion. I'd see him play 25-30 minutes a game in uptempo ball.

[dav7z]

Fact is i think we can get one or the other because of the lux tax problems they have . Gooden would be a hard trade to make numbers match up. Morrison want work straight up because of money. Morrison and Harrington would work but it wouldnt help cleavland at all they still would not have the green to sign Vareajo. Salaries being what thay are i dont see us going after Gooden.It would be ahard trade and eould affect our core. Vareajo makes a lot more sence. He wouldn't affect our roster and would we gain another player. If we sign Vareajo then we could trade him for Gooden if the money matched up. Clevland might do that.

[spectre]

If we have 5 to 7 million before we hit cap we CAN do Ammo/Primoz or even Harrington and eat the difference for either Varejao or Gooden.

5-6 won't get Varejao. If that was all it took contending teams would be offering the MLE...yet no team has done that. I think he's wanting in excess of 7 million, which IMO is too much for him. I'd MUCH rather go after Gooden.

[new2bobs]

The big thing right now in Cleveland news is they won't trade Drew for Mike Bibby because they don't want to give up Drew. And if they're not willing to give up Drew for him, they're pretty much not gonna give him up for anyone on the Bobs. I agree with whoever said Drew doesn't fit in Cleveland, we all know that, but the fact is until the Cavs can get who they want for him, that's where he's going to stay. It's really not his fault our coach is a moron, but yea, he's definitely not where he needs to be to have his best career and I can't wait to see him on another team that actually does what they should with him.

[Karma]

When comparing Drew and Andy you only have to look at the + / - numbers of when they are on the floor. Almost the entire roster has negative number when teamed with Gooden, and the opposite with Andy. Varejao just does the little things right. He moves off the ball, plays help defense and just flat out hustles. Drew has never heard of help defense, let alone play it. He has some talent offensively but he hurts you at the other end.

Also the reason Drew has the top number of rebounds for missed ft's, the Cavs had the lowest FT %.

So if you offered Andy 20 million over 4 years, the Cavs would match it before the ink dried.

[dav7z]

I would still bid them up and put them in a Lux tax Problems. Goodens contract is up in two years . If they resign Vareajo they lose players like Gooden. Why not force thair hand and make them pay . It only helps us in later years. We need to try and make them as week as possable.

[timang]

I would still bid them up and put them in a Lux tax Problems. Goodens contract is up in two years . If they resign Vareajo they lose players like Gooden. Why not force thair hand and make them pay . It only helps us in later years. We need to try and make them as week as possable.



i'm also thinking like that too, but i'm wondering if the organization actually has the balls to do it. i've haven't seen them do such things nor seeing a person among them that would actually do such.

[dvdbumpus]

I would still bid them up and put them in a Lux tax Problems. Goodens contract is up in two years . If they resign Vareajo they lose players like Gooden. Why not force thair hand and make them pay . It only helps us in later years. We need to try and make them as week as possable.



i'm also thinking like that too, but i'm wondering if the organization actually has the balls to do it. i've haven't seen them do such things nor seeing a person among them that would actually do such.



To see them pull such a shrewd move like that would make me ecstatic. It'd be a win win situation.

[Karma]

The Cavs will match any offer at the MLE or less without hesitation. Although they dont want to pay large chunks of luxury tax, Ferry has permission to do whats he's got to do.

Varejao is a very important factor in Cleveland, moreso then Gooden. You'll see Gooden moved on well before Andy.

[dav7z]

If i knew Clevland would match any thing we offered . Iwould offer ever dollar we under the salery cap. Let them sign Vareajo and walk away happy. They just trying to drive his price down. Where we would be trying to raise it up. We only one of a few teams under the cap.
BTW if we offered 7 milion for Vareajo Clevland would be offering 14 milion to keep him. Does any one really think Cleavland will pay 14 milion to keep him. Why not force them into a trade or somthing.

[bobcat4life]

here is what we do, sign varejao for 4yrs. for about 7 to 9 mil. make cleveland either take him or let him be. his energy will help us even if he can't score. his rebounding and hustle will help and maybe okafor will break out and give us 15 pts. a night. he has been working out with the dream so let's see what he has and then maybe we can base his extension with some incentives in the contract and maybe save some money if he reallly wants to be here. :afro: by doing this we can let a.a. also harrington and then sign d.a. and keep our younger guys like hollis, davidson come along with spurts of experience in real gametime experience. :afro:

[dvdbumpus]

What kind of incentives could be offered? :biggrin:

[davcbow]

LOL, we can all chip in and wash his VW for him on the weekends or maybe walk his dogs. :g:

[bobcat4life]

clauses in his cotract inwhich if he has a certain pts. per game, plays so many games, rebounds and stuff of that sort. :afro:

[davcbow]

I knew that.... :biggrin: