How would you end the off season

[dav7z]

If you were Jordan and the Bobcats how do you end your off season. Add two points -who, Add a point and a big-who. Trade a player or two for another one . Who OR
What do you guys think would cap off a great off season.
THOUGHTS

[Dead_Real]

Sign a vet point (Jeff McInnis), invite Bobby Brown to camp and also sign a big (Varejao)

Would cap off an excellent offseason in my humble opinion.

[Slam]

Trade Ammo for Frye or LMA

Sign Dee Brown

Re-sign DA

Enjoy the playoffs

[davcbow]

How long do you have to play to be considered a veteren PG ? I think McInnis is getting too old. Why not sign a 3-5 year man not a 10 year vet although I dont have anyone in mind. I do like Varejao.I think they need to hurry up and extend Emeka's contract and I hope they can extend Herrman's also. :g:

[qchoops]

Cut Othella.
Sign Dickau, Bobby Brown, and Varejao.

[123together]

trade othella and primoz for kobe

[jaxatax23]

i agree with big slam 100%...that would be great

[ziggy]

I would do everything in my power this offseason to attempt to make Sean May a success. He would personal trainers, dieticians, knee specialists, daily contact this offseason from the coaching staff.
Because other than Emeka, he is THE MOST critical link to us having success in 2007-2008. If the can somehow muster 70 games from Sean (along with Emeka) then we are in the playoffs easy.

[bobcat4life]

i would welcome the trade for Lamarcus Ald. if portland would do something like that, which i don't think they would. That would free up some time for dudley to come in and be all over the floor and would also give us a big that would could put up front. :afro:

[Slam]

I'd offer Ammo and a protected pick for LMA (I'd want him checked out head to toe though - he's had some injury concerns already that bother me a little).

Ziggy - I think that Felts is more important to our season than McMay is, but I get your point.

[dav7z]

Trade Ammo for Frye or LMA

Sign Dee Brown

Re-sign DA

Enjoy the playoffs


I agree with all those moves .Dee Brown make a lot or sence with a up tempo offence. DA The calm cool vetran at a cheep price.
Ithink it would take more to get LMA. or even Frye . I would even add a protected first to get LMA.

sit back and enjoy the playoffs i agree,Great post, REP IT UP

[qchoops]

I really don't see Portland giving up LMA, unless they are blown away by an offer. He had a very nice rookie season, with per 40 minute averages of 16.2 points and 9 rebs (on 50.3% shooting from the field). Can anyone think of another team that has some spare depth in the post? Not a common problem, I know.

[davcbow]

I think every body has real good points. In time we will all see what actually happens. I hope what ever happens is good moves and dont turn out to be mistakes. So far so good. :g:

[Alex]

trade othella and primoz for kobe


haha i like this one the best

[Slam]

I really don't see Portland giving up LMA, unless they are blown away by an offer. He had a very nice rookie season, with per 40 minute averages of 16.2 points and 9 rebs (on 50.3% shooting from the field). Can anyone think of another team that has some spare depth in the post? Not a common problem, I know.





I had been thinking the exact same thing which is why Frye had all my attention, but reports out of Portland are that Frye has been blowing them away and the front office is really high on him - to a point where they are saying he might even start over LMA. That being the case, maybe LMA is more attainable and someone we should be setting our sights on him?

I know it's just me and my wishful thinking (because I was super high on LMA going into the draft) but a front court of Crash, LMA and EO50 would put us over the top IMO. LMA is the exact "Bosh" type player to compliment who we already have.

[dav7z]

Slam i posted this on a few other threads . I love the deal but think it would take more than just Morrison to make it work . I would even do next years first UNPROTECTED and Morrison. We projected to be a loto team any way. They might just bite on that.

[dav7z]

Acording to stat fox . We should be a playoff team all ready with no more changes. We ranked 14th in power rankings which is better than i even thought with all the teams in the west. We should finish 2nd in the south east behind the magic. I WOULD TAKE THAT.




http://www.statfox.com/nba/power/

[Mustachio]

i know this may shock some of you who think im in love with AMMO... but Ammo for LMA i would do in a heartbeat. I love his game and i think Slams comparison to Bosh is very close.

I dont think Frye has that ability to be a great big like Bosh. I see him more than likely being a PJ Brown type more so than a Bosh. and i never would agree to trading away all adams potential for a standard Big man. but for a guy like LMA with about as equal potential... i would definetly consider it.

[dav7z]

i know this may shock some of you who think im in love with AMMO... but Ammo for LMA i would do in a heartbeat. I love his game and i think Slams comparison to Bosh is very close.

I dont think Frye has that ability to be a great big like Bosh. I see him more than likely being a PJ Brown type more so than a Bosh. and i never would agree to trading away all adams potential for a standard Big man. but for a guy like LMA with about as equal potential... i would definetly consider it.



FINALLY GOOD POST rep it up, lol
Reports say hes having a better off season than LMA. But i to would rather have LMA but would trade for either.

[Slam]

How about:

LMA and Jack

for

Ammo, McMay and a *1st round pick?


* = top ten protected next year
The right to flip picks the following year
Unprotected there after

[dav7z]

How about:

LMA and Jack

for

Ammo, McMay and a *1st round pick?


* = top ten protected next year
The right to flip picks the following year
Unprotected there after


How about:

LMA and Jack

for

Ammo, McMay and a *1st round pick?


* = top ten protected next year
The right to flip picks the following year
Unprotected there after



Slam i would do it . It would give us some body to push Felton for a starting gig . Plus we get that starting big . Very strong line up .
Felton . Jack
Rich, Carroll
Wallace, Dudley, Carroll
LMA , Herrmann, Harrington
OK50, Premoz, Hollins,Davidson
Add in say a Dee Brown and a D Anderson
We could contend for the East , playoffs no doubt.
If i have to say so my self damn that line up looks good.

Damn thats a solid 10 deep...........mabe 12 deep

[Slam]

Rep it up Dav7z!!

[Geraldmutumbo]

How about:

LMA and Jack

for

Ammo, McMay and a *1st round pick?


* = top ten protected next year
The right to flip picks the following year
Unprotected there after


I don't think the pick should be necessary. The four players themselves should be a good deal for each other. Ammo is better than Jack and May is better than Marcus.

[bobcat4life]

i myself love may because he's a tarheel. what if we were to give up ammo, 1st rounder, and primo. may has the potential if only his body will allow it and we would be getting rid of primo who i don't see in a uptempo game. i would love jack and have already stated would love to have lma. that would sure up alot of holes we have and give us a solid rotation of
felton/jack/resign da for insurance
j-rich/carrol/dudley
wallace/dudley/hermman
okafor/may/hermman/davidson
lma/okafor/hollis

hermman could and should get more min. but if may stays healthy he is sick on the inside . :afro:

[davcbow]

Has anyone heard anything about May besides his Basketball Camp and his contract extention? :g:

[Slam]

Geraldmutumbo: May is better than Marcus.


???

How do you figure?

[DaFlameking]

trade othella and primoz for kobe


i Lol'ed out of nowhere after reading this

[dav7z]

trade othella and primoz for kobe



No way we make that trade two players for one. Are you guys even thinking we get rid of a 7 footer AND a power foward for a player whos been in the league for eight to ten years. What are you guys thinking...........

[qchoops]

Actually, a shooting guard with 11 years in the league, and 10 of those making the playoffs, adding another 131 games to the total. That's a lot of miles on those tires. Maybe they could throw in a draft pick or something to even it out a bit? :biggrin:

[dav7z]

Actually, a shooting guard with 11 years in the league, and 10 of those making the playoffs, adding another 131 games to the total. That's a lot of miles on those tires. Maybe they could throw in a draft pick or something to even it out a bit? :biggrin:



Would not even think of doing it unless it was Kobe and a first unprotected . We can't just let good players go like that. Hell hes got a lot of games under his belt .

[Muttley]

Actually, a shooting guard with 11 years in the league, and 10 of those making the playoffs, adding another 131 games to the total. That's a lot of miles on those tires. Maybe they could throw in a draft pick or something to even it out a bit? :biggrin:



Would not even think of doing it unless it was Kobe and a first unprotected . We can't just let good players go like that. Hell hes got a lot of games under his belt .



Yeah, I don't know if you guys have been watching any of the FIBA Americas games lately, but if you had, you'd see that the guy's clearly lost a step.
Also, what is his contract like? I'd hate to get stuck with some washout for two years or something absurd like that.

[bobcat4life]

what about lets go after tyson chandler or jermaine o'neal. chandler would give us all kind of defense and the ability to run while o'neal would give us a scorer at the 5. who else is there out there that could help us out at a low cost? :afro:

[jamesmoye42]

Brian Skinner

[qchoops]

bobcat4life: you won't be seeing either of them on the bobcats, as bringing them in would cause us to be unable to resign Emeka, and I'd honestly prefer him to either, as O'Neal has a few years on him and Chandler lacks the offensive skills of even Okafor.
James: Not sure if Brian Skinner provides ideal size at only 6'9".
I was getting ready to say we should try to persuade P.J. Brown to provide his veteran presence on the club, but a glance at his numbers show that age is starting to catch up with him as he approaches 40. Anyone else out there?

[dav7z]

I think its possable we could force Clevlands hand. and might pick up Gooden for Morrison.
Morrison , May and a first for LMA and Jack sound good to
Morrison for a Frye might work.
Its all so a few free agent bigs left but i dont think they would make us better. Signing D. A. makes the most sence. By signing him that makes Morrison expendable.
If D.A dont work Dee Brown would be good to fill the last spot. He would be a perfect back up for the next 5 years. Then we would have enough dept at point. Either way we shop Morrison if D.A, signs we shop him hard.......

D,A is mostly a wing and we all ready over crouded on the wing.

[spectre]

I think its possable we could force Clevlands hand. and might pick up Gooden for Morrison.
Morrison , May and a first for LMA and Jack sound good to
Morrison for a Frye might work.
Its all so a few free agent bigs left but i dont think they would make us better. Signing D. A. makes the most sence. By signing him that makes Morrison expendable.
If D.A dont work Dee Brown would be good to fill the last spot. He would be a perfect back up for the next 5 years. Then we would have enough dept at point. Either way we shop Morrison if D.A, signs we shop him hard.......

D,A is mostly a wing and we all ready over crouded on the wing.


I know this is about the current off season, but if you look at next years FAs it might not be a real bad idea to either stay status quo or do a 1 yr vet min for a big guy:

Elton Brand
Jason Kidd
Shawn Marion
Baron Davis
Allen Iverson
Gilbert Arenas
Lamar Odom
Ron Artest
Mike Bibby
Antwan Jamison
Rasheed Wallace
Stephon Marbury
Corey Maggette
Andre Miller
Ricky Davis
Drew Gooden
Chris Wilcox

We would probably have a decent chance of pulling one or two of those big guys.

[dav7z]

I was trying to see where we set cap wise. Then i noticed it didnt say we had Hollins locked up. Check it out.
We some where around six to eight milion under cap that might be enough to sign Varejao or sign some one else . Any good ideas on how to pick up that one more good big.


http://www.hoopshype.com/salaries/charlotte.htm

[spectre]

Ammo for Charlie V.

[chabber]

I was just looking at the salary cap and next years free agents earlier today too spec. If we get Okafor at a reasonable price we'll probably be ok to go after a bigger FA. Although of the guys you mentioned I don't know who we'd really have a legit shot at. Also it looks like you found list with a mix of 2008 and 2009 FA's. Odom, Wallace, Gooden and Wicox aren't FA's next season if I'm not mistaken.

Brand - will likely get paid by the Clippers unless he just wants out of there.
Jamison - The Wiz would probably pay more to keep him than we would to steal him. Still he's probably the most likely to come of the bunch. However if Fabio pans out he might just be duplicating what we already have. Jamison might be better but he's older, more expensive and wouldn't solve any rebounding defensive issues.

More and more I'm thinking we should make Varejao an offer instead of standing pat because I wouldn't bet on landing a guy next season. Front load his contract and Meks extensions so that we don't run into luxary tax issues later on down the road just like the Bulls did with Hinrich. If we still think we have a shot at Brand/Jamison though we shouldn't front load the contracts. We'd have to sacrifice depth later on down the line as to not hit the luxary tax. A Varejao signing probably takes us out of the running for Brand though.

If we could attract Brand/Jamison here we're all the better. Use the minimum or split up the MLE once we're over the cap to sign a backup PG like Udrih and bench warmers.

Felton/Udrih
Rich/Carroll
Wallace/Dudley/Morrison
(Brand/Jamison)/Herrmann
Okafor/Davidson/Draft pick???

or

Felton/Udrih
Rich/Carroll
Wallace/Dudley/Morrison
Herrmann/Varejao
Okafor/Davidson/Draft pick???

The first one is a very versatile lineup. Could play fast paced or half court. Second one is probably more suited to running. At the very least we'd have more assets in trade negotiations if we don't like the feel of the team.

[davcbow]

I was trying to see where we set cap wise. Then i noticed it didnt say we had Hollins locked up. Check it out.
We some where around six to eight milion under cap that might be enough to sign Varejao or sign some one else . Any good ideas on how to pick up that one more good big.


http://www.hoopshype.com/salaries/charlotte.htm



I think that page need to be updated because it dont even list a salary for Carroll. :g:

[Slam]

Ammo for Charlie V.





SIGN ME UP!!!

[davcbow]

Felton/Udrih
Rich/Carroll
Wallace/Dudley/Morrison
(Brand/Jamison)/Herrmann
Okafor/Davidson/Draft pick???

or

Felton/Udrih
Rich/Carroll
Wallace/Dudley/Morrison
Herrmann/Varejao
Okafor/Davidson/Draft pick???

The first one is a very versatile lineup. Could play fast paced or half court. Second one is probably more suited to running. At the very least we'd have more assets in trade negotiations if we don't like the feel of the team.


I like both of those line ups, hope we can pull it off. :g:

[spectre]

Good stuff Chabber!

Yah, I'll admit I rogued that list off a thread on RealGM, so it could very well be off somewhat.

My God...can you imagine (regardless of how unlikely it is) a lineup of:

Felton
JRich
Crash
Brand
Mek

shiver

With the Bucks giving the Chinese gov't a guarantee that Yi will get plenty of minutes now might be a good time to offer Ammo for Villanueva instead of them trying to make him an SF. Both have low value right now, but CV would fit in MUCH better with our lineup than Ammo would...plus I think he and Mek are buds.

[chabber]

Yeah man, if we were lucky enough to get Brand and could keep Herrmann too I'd say we'd be legit contenders for the Finals in the East. That'd be one nasty team especially on defense and we'd have the brightest future of any team in the East.

Maybe that's what their thinking? Let things go this year and make a major move for Brand in the off-season? :o Haha, it's fun to dream sometimes. ;)

[davcbow]

Never know what could happen, you could be right. I feel like since they are waiting so long to do things that they may have some sort of trade in the works or like you say maybe the big trade or signing would happen next year. LOL, Im getting excited, come on November..... :g:

[dav7z]

I like the idea of making a run at Varejao .Its got to force Cleavlands hand. If we get out for five or six milion a year for him. We still in good shape cap wize by losing a bunch of bad contracts. This way we keep Ammo for another year to see what he can do and get his value up. He yould be a perfect safety net at the four and five.

[Mustachio]

i wouldnt strongly object to bringing in Varejao....

HOWEVER. id rather we use that final roster spot for Bobby Brown.

My reasoning is:

Unless we think we can win the championship now... i say we use this year as a proving ground. See what we got.

we think with our current roster we can get to the playoffs... once in the playoffs we see how this team fares... then next offseason, after losing several contracts, and testing young players... we will know exactly what we need.

PG - Touche signed a one year deal so hes gone after this season. if we bring Bobby Brown in... we can see if hes got what it takes to fill in for Ray. if he doesnt... go get a free agent that can or draft the best guy available.

SG - J-rich is solid, we all know that and hes locked up for 4 more years. Matt Carroll is locked up as well. Ammo as the 3rd option.

SF - Crash is solid, we all know that and hes locked up for a while as well. Ammo, Hermann, and Dudley will all be here this year and we will know what we need to do with them as the season goes on. ie, if Ammo sucks it up we can trade or cut him and go with Dudley Hermann or just move around in General. We are solid here so nothing to worry about much

PF/C - Mek = Solid. May = Shaky ... another player who has this season to prove his worth. Along with Ammo... they both need to prove they can stay healthy and produce in the NBA or its time to go in another direction. With Hollins, and Davidson we have another Bobby Brown situation can these guys do what it takes in the NBA or do we need to bring in other guys who can. Primoz is primoz and if hes not back to himself this year... id say hes as good as gone.

[chabber]

The thing is we pretty much know what our needs are already w/o waiting until next year. We need a possible starter at PF/C and depth at PF/C and PG. I may be wrong but we probably only have this year and next before we probably go over the cap due to extensions and re-signings. If we don't use our cap space before then we will have to rely on the MLE to make big acquisitions. So the team needs to look at players in those spots who will be available this year and next. I wouldn't want to miss out on a possible addition to our team that can contribute in hopes that a guy with injury history or 2nd round picks pan out.

The whole idea is to acquire assets and guys who can play before we reach the cap limit so that later we can make trades to improve the team. If while doing that May/Davidson/Hollins/Herrmann/Morrison pan out then we're in an even better situation. We just have to make sure we don't overpay anyone and make them untradeable.

[dav7z]

Chabber good post REP IT UP, I agree about about filling our needs early. Once we sign OK50s extension we get to the point you talking about. Once we resign ok50 adding to our roster through free agency is about over.Then we have to relye on the draft and trades to get better.So i feel like we should make our team as strong as possable be for we become like ever other team in the league. Maxed out cap wize and fighting like Clevland to stay under the lux tax. I think we can sign one more good contract for about six to eight milion a year and not get into lux tax trubles.
Its no way we resign OK50 and pick up a player like brand
You looking at 13 milion a peice next year. Its just no way. So why not pick up what we can while the market is tight now............

[dvdbumpus]

Varajao would have more of an impact now, and with his value low, it's a buy low and get a high return, or even a moderate return which is fine by me. Having a guy that will play significant minutes is more important that a 3rd stringer. PG's come and go, but a big man that can rebound like crazy and do dirty work with a low market value is harder to find.

Just my two cents.

[dav7z]

I

Varajao would have more of an impact now, and with his value low, it's a buy low and get a high return, or even a moderate return which is fine by me. Having a guy that will play significant minutes is more important that a 3rd stringer. PG's come and go, but a big man that can rebound like crazy and do dirty work with a low market value is harder to find.

Just my two cents.


I agree it would be a good move . I think that move would seal the play offs this year.If we go after him, it wouldn't be hard lock him in. I dont think Clevland wants to go to deep into the lux tax.

[bobcat4life]

i think the villenueva deal would work also because he runs the floor, plays d, and also can score from in or outside. he is a tough hard player and also is a winner from his days at uconn which him and okafor would buddy it up. :afro:

[dav7z]

i think the villenueva deal would work also because he runs the floor, plays d, and also can score from in or outside. he is a tough hard player and also is a winner from his days at uconn which him and okafor would buddy it up. :afro:



The only differance is we can just sign Vareajo. To get Villenueva Morrison or someone has to be traded . But i would make that trade if we could.

[bobcat4life]

i think the villenueva deal would work also because he runs the floor, plays d, and also can score from in or outside. he is a tough hard player and also is a winner from his days at uconn which him and okafor would buddy it up. :afro:



The only differance is we can just sign Vareajo. To get Villenueva Morrison or someone has to be traded . But i would make that trade if we could.
vareajo can't shoot the ball like villenueva. he has the excitement about him but he can't add up to the stats that charlie v. would. besides if they were after him they should go ahead and make a move on him before he resigns with the cavs instead of having to trade something for him. :afro: