are u serious??

[jaxatax23]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=stein_marc&page=EastOffseason07&lpos=spotlight&lid=tab6pos2

this article says we had the 9th best offseason............in the east!!!!!!
that is ridiculous if u think how much better we will be this year...i dunno..maybe im biased....but 9th???? come on...i would say atleast top 4 in the nba...behind boston of coarse...i dunno...what do u guys think....isnt that a little too low??

[Bobcat4Ever]

Screw Marc Stein, he is an idiot

[dnbman]

I think he just sees our offseason as high risk/high reward.

Richardson does have some question marks, especially his ft shooting. However, I think he'll be fine overall.

Stein's point is that if Richardson doesn't work out, it spells a lot of trouble for our roster.

I don't really mind guys saying such things. We've rolled the dice on some moves and we just have to see how they pan out. It's unrealistic for us to have everyone agree with everything we do. Aside from Smith and Stein, our reviews have been fairly favorable.

[Jonathanmartin7]

I think he just sees our offseason as high risk/high reward.

Richardson does have some question marks, especially his ft shooting. However, I think he'll be fine overall.

Stein's point is that if Richardson doesn't work out, it spells a lot of trouble for our roster.

I don't really mind guys saying such things. We've rolled the dice on some moves and we just have to see how they pan out. It's unrealistic for us to have everyone agree with everything we do. Aside from Smith and Stein, our reviews have been fairly favorable.

exactamundo!

[dvdbumpus]

I think we did better than 9th, but this offseason probably determined the future of the franchise, and it could turn out bad. I, for one, think that it will be successful.

[qchoops]

For all the talk he does about richardson, he says that he has bigger question marks around the team, namely Vincent as the new coach. Is anyone else concerned that a guy with only one year of experience coaching in the NBA (as an assistant at that) is going to be the head coach next year? I know he's coached around the world as well, but the NBA is a different animal, right?

[dvdbumpus]

For all the talk he does about richardson, he says that he has bigger question marks around the team, namely Vincent as the new coach. Is anyone else concerned that a guy with only one year of experience coaching in the NBA (as an assistant at that) is going to be the head coach next year? I know he's coached around the world as well, but the NBA is a different animal, right?


Oh believe me, I'm definitely worried about him as a coach. I think he's got "it" but as a rookie for anything there are growing pains that will have to be worked through.

Mike D'antoni only had one year of NBA head coach experience before coaching the suns (Denver 98-99 and they were 14-36). He was mainly an international coach, and after Denver was an assistant coach for Portland, then a scout for San Antonio.

Yes, I'm worried, but based on coaches with international coaching experience and the evolution of the NBA game moving towards more of an international feel, I think that it will be successful, because Vincent knows both leagues, and has had success in whatever role he's been in.

[dav7z]

I don't think hes is giving us enough cradit. First any one questioning J. Rich and his abilitys is not to smart any way . This is the same guy who ranks the magic as having a better off season than us. Because of the addition of Lewis for over a 100 milion. If he had any brains at all he would realize Wallace is a hell of a lot better deal at 57 milion . Yes they signed HOWARD to a max contract. But paying the max don't mean a damn thing. Sure hes going to sign a max another no brainer. We will tie Oakafor up at the right time. As far as coaching . I don't think coach V can be any worse at game management then Bernie was .To end this im just going to say that guys a fool......

[spectre]

What Dav said...exactly.

Lee Rose is going to be guiding Coach V right along, and I expect to see a 100% improvement in game management.

I'll bet anything he has more than 3 plays in his playbook.

[davcbow]

I think that most of the writers are still thinking of the Cats as an expansion team but I tell all now that the Cats will make them change their thinking this season.... :g:

[timang]

i'd love to see the day the bobcats be NOT just another neglected NBA team by the world. i get angry because they get so much pagehits and yet give so less in information. :(

[Mustachio]

i dont mind someone saying that our offseason had high risk/high reward BUT.

its not like we gave anything up at all. Brandon wright?? i mean come on. i would do that 10 out of 10 times. we got Jermareo in that deal too... i just dont see how there is any risk as far as player acquistion goes... i can see salary wise... but salary cap freedom is only a trade away if richardson sucks for us ...

definetly not worried about it though.

[dav7z]

Why is it J- Rich is such a high risk, and Lewis is a good pick up at dubble the money. Personally i like Rich more as a player than Lewis . To me Lewis is more of a risk than Rich or Wallace. The guys just stupid.

[davcbow]

They could be a little jealous of the Bobcats too now that we are as good or better than their favorite teams, what ever teams they may be..... :g:

[dnbman]

The big knocks on the Bobcats have been the following:

* little depth, except at SF
* a questionable pg
* no inside presence except Okafor
* poor coaching (for going to the playoffs, not for developing talent)
* not spending money
* no go to talent
* health in some key players
* inexperience

Our positives were:

* a high draft pick
* a fair amount of young talent
* potentially, an all-star center as the cornerstone
* lots of cash to spend

Now, forget you're a fan for a minute and consider how some may see our off-season:

JRich was a cast away from the Warriors, who were willing to let he and his contract walk so they could play Monta Ellis more. Not only did we acquiesce their trade needs, but they got a highly touted big man prospect to boot. Throw in the facts that JRich is coming off an injured season and can't hit free throws, and the trade becomes questionable, even more so if you think the Bobcats weren't a real playoff team to begin with.

In the process of making that trade, signing Carroll, and reupping on Wallace, we retained some core pieces and added another, but we do so to the tune of about $30M of our cap space each year. In essence, half our cap is spent in wing players, which many people think is a poor way to spend money unless you're talking about a Kobe Bryant or Steve Nash.

To lead this group, we've got a rookie coach who may be the next Avery Johnson or may be back in Africa coaching women's basketball in a few years. We don't know.

So basically, we spent two of our major positives, and only addressed the not spending money and little experience via acquiring JRich.

We're looking at things as a team that hustled its way through injuries and might have made the playoffs had all of our guys been healthy. However, nobody cares about a team that almost made the playoffs in the East. All that means to most commentators is we're in the bottom quarter of the league. Most fans assume that their moves are going to mean big gains on the court. Right now, most of the East things they're a lock to make the playoffs, including half of the teams that didn't make the playoffs last year. JRich is a great acquisition, but he's not the kind of player that guarantees a playoff spot. Our two rookies look great to us, but fairly unimpressive to most people who pay attention to the NBA. Most young players become role players. Only a few in each draft become guys who get significant playing time or are difference makers. Dudley and Davidson are hardly guys to quicken the pulse of non-Bobcat fans.

A lot of people still think we really flubbed this off season by spending our money on a sg when we should have waited until next year when a plethora of all-star caliber bigs will be looking for contracts. On Bobcat forums, we've debated the relative merits of continuing to build through the draft and spending next year verse trying to win now. Most of us agree that we're excited about the new squad and believe we'll be successful. But we're fans. There's no single conclusion that logic reaches when we evaluate our off season. As fans, we tend to go down the more flowery path. As basketball critics, they tend to care less about moves that haven't historically lead directly to success.

There's no reason to call these critics idiots. The reason basketball is interesting is that it's not a matter of making some moves, faxing in the rosters, and picking up the trophy. We have to let the guys on the court settle disputes. Some fairly smart people aren't convinced our guys are going to do it. That only gives us more reason to root even harder for our guys!

[davcbow]

Dnbman; you sound like you don't yet believe.... I do see your point and as we all know there are alot of "ifs" that happen and dont happen within a season....but what I saw happening last year was a team starting to "gel" as a franchise and a team thats hungry. Heres my "IF".
If we come out and play with the same intencity that we ended the year with last season add to that J-Rich to the mix, I see at least 8 more wins with him on the team simply because of the close games we lost last season. Add to that another year of experience and 2 quality draft picks. From what I see and hear they are still shopping around for more talent. Maybe we dont go that far in the playoffs but I do think they are going to get there I dont care what the so called experts think say or do because none of them believe in the Bobcats.... :g:

[spectre]

They're still idiots. :biggrin:

I think they (and you) are severely underrating JRich. He wasn't a "cast away" of GSW...they weren't actively shopping him at all. He was THE heart of that franchise and most every fans' favorite player. GSW even went so far as saying he was untouchable just a couple weeks before the draft.

Thankfully for us...the IRS came along:

IRS says Cohan owes; lawyer says case may go to trial (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2873275)

which IMO helped to make them rethink delving into cap hell for the forseeable future with the team. We come along and offer to relieve them of 50 million +/- over the next 4 years AND throw them a pick in a good draft. Whereas they probably WOULDN'T make a trade with any other team except for at least equal talent, we had the UNIQUE package of capspace to to get them to part with what was untouchable except for some serious return.

How often does that opportunity come along?

Think how significant that is for them right after making the playoffs for the first time in forever. Nellie pretty much sat Monta thru the playoffs and shows no confidence in him...yet they trade the guy Nellie WOULD play? They got worse...at least for this year. That's gonna taste bad after that one playoff run.

JRich is a 23/5 guy just waiting to break out. That's what he averaged the season before...and with THIS team he has smarter and more talented teammates.

He was a HUGE acquisition, the BEST FA pickup of any team this offseason. Add to that retaining arguably the best (Billups) FA available this year in Crash and we're second only to the Celtics IMO. To say we're 9th is nothing short of laughable.

[dnbman]

You guys have me wrong; I love JRich. I'm glad we did the trade.

But the whole reason why we BELIEVE is that it's not certain. I'm positive and I support my team as much as the next person. But I also acknowledge other possibilities. To me, being an idiot is only believing what you want to believe. These writers' provide their take on what they BELIEVE about the facts.

I disagree with Stein. I just don't think he's an idiot.

[davcbow]

Ive never called them idiots but I do think they are wrong simply because I dont think they hardly watch them play and see the intensity, the hunger they have to win.... :g:

[dav7z]

I agree with Spectra in no way shape or form is J, Rich a cast away . Hes at least a 16 - 5 guy at worst . Whitch is better than any rookie wiil get. The guy can't be to smart when he thinks Lewis is a better deal at over a 100 million than a Wallace at 57 million . He is stupid if he thinks that. Lets say you not a fan whos the better deal, Wallace or Lewis it's no comparison Wallace is hands down..

[spectre]

But I didn't post what I believed...I posted (mostly) facts.

JRich DID average those stats year before last (actually nearer to 6 rpg...but anyway).

JRich WAS untouchable; Mullin came out publicly. No way do I believe that he would do that while plotting on casting him away.

Everyone said Crash was at least the 3rd top FA on the market.

Orlando was ranked 3rd? How can anyone think that a team who lost their starting 2 AND their only promising big guy besides Dwight (who they gave up Stuckey for...I'm blown away that Stein touts how great Stuckey can be and not knock ORL for basically giving him to the Pistons for nothing) while paying double for Lewis...and remember they actually worked a S&T so they could pay him more!!!

They're looking at Redick as starter...about the only other guy who was as disappointing as Morrison...and they had the 3rd best offseason????

While we've done nothing but gained talent...and we're 9th. We added Crash AND JRich for roughly the same salary as Rashard Lewis.

It's a no brainer.

THAT makes Stein an idiot.

[dnbman]

Hill was busted and Milicic was promising, but far from great.

Lewis is incredibly overpaid, but he's the right piece for Orlando. He's an unquestioned scoring talent who has questionable defensive abilities. But they don't need him to be any kind of defensive stopper. They just need him to be a great scorer and outside shooter, which he is. Turkoglu will fill in easily for Hill, as it was a toss up between their minutes anyway. He'll be their starter if Reddick doesn't seem to impove his game. Letting Hill walk wasn't a very tough decision. Foyle will give them a veteran big to play down low. They are in a great position to make a playoff run.

Personally, I like what we're doing better, but Orlando has made great strides. They vastly overpaid for their man, but they got him. We simply resigned ours.

As for JRich, the only indication that he was immovable was what he said Mullin told him. I have no reason to think JRich is lying, but I also know that whatever Mullin said, he was ready and willing for a good offer for JRich since he has a bevy of outside shooters and an emerging sg in Monta Ellis. Trimming 15M off the payroll helps considerably. So, while they weren't going to cut him or anything, Golden State was more than willing to send him off for a different piece of their puzzle.

Again, we're the beneficiaries, but we paid a song for him. We gave up valuable cap space and a young prospect, who most people had nothing but goods to say about until after we traded him away. If we kept him, I guarantee everyone on here, with rare exception, would be talking about how he's going to be our Chris Bosh, giving us the best 4-5 combo in the NBA.

I love the Bobcats. I love talking with the fans. I love everyone on this board. But people here tend to want to destroy anyone who criticizes the organization.

What's the point? We know our team and love them. That's all that matters.

[dav7z]

You say Lewis is the right peice for the magic and thats a good deal because hes a shooter. At over 100 milion dollars. Is thair any players in the league better than Lewis with smaller contracts., Check out the differance between Wallace and Lewis ,whos the better deal.


http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/rankings?pos=null&start=15&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnba %2fhollinger%2frankings%3fpos%3dnull%26start%3d15


Then check out the ranking between Rich and Lewis
In thease rankings . Lewis is ONE sopt better than Wallace and seven spots better than Rich. So smart reasoning is hes a better deal at a 117 milion,than Wallace and Rich toghter for a cheaper price . Ok Lewis is ranked 29 out of about 500 Wallace is ranked 30th and Rich is ranked 37th. . Just answer whats the better deal.
Im not blaming you in this case but the writer is no where near objective in his reasoning. Doesn't the magic have a new coach too but thats not addrested in his artical.
All so when did a player ranked 37th out of about 500 become a cast away.
Look at the great Boston off season . They have only three players but thats nor addrested. No the writer says we have a short beanch when we 10 deep What about Bostons beanch six deep being nice. Nothing said. What about age Bostons super stars are all hiting 30 years old but yet the writer talks about our younger players staying healthy. Doesn't make sence to me. Some one tell me how signing a unproven rookie in Yi makes the bucks have a better off season team than us. We signed our rookie neither has played a game. What makes them better than us. The writer is just playing his favorites with out any facts behind it. He seems to just like big markets . Atlanta or the Bucks who had the better draft. The bucks got only Yi.and kept a average 2 guard in bell. Big off season. Atlanta signed Hartford and Law to great needs . But the hawks off season sucks explain how the writer come to that conclusion. In my openion he is bias and has no facts to back up his statements.

[spectre]

It wasn't just on JRich's word.

Mullin answers: No way he’s trading Richardson, Baron might get more $, waiting on Nelson (http://www.mercextra.com/blogs/kawakami/2007/05/17/mullin-answers-no-way-hes-trading-richardson-baron-might-get-more-waiting-on-nelson/)

Notice the date...May 17th 2007.  That's a little under 2 weeks before the draft.  Coincidently, that's the same date of the article I linked to earlier about Cohen possibly having to pay out 160 million in fines/taxes.

Think maybe the GSW owner forced Mullin to trade his own favorite player?  Monta and Biedrens were both rumored to be on the trading block before the draft.

So far as Orlando...ever see this?

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/sports.aol.com/fanhouse/media/2007/07/wallace_rashard_chart_tz.jpg

We signed the guy on the left...Orlando on the right.  For the same amount of money we ADDED Jason Richardson.  In the meantime Orlando's 15th pick in this past draft went to Detroit and their payment is going to be wearing a Memphis jersey.

IMO Van Gundy doesn't make up for that difference in the least.  Sure he should be better than Hill, but a season of his greatness came with a newly acquired Shaq and of course he had Flash from his first year.  They definitely overperformed...but I'm not quite ready to make his hiring a home run yet, as that team still have a lot of issues (SG, Nelson, depth, etc.).

NO WAY did Orlando have a better offseason than us.

[dnbman]

Again, I'm not taking Stein's side; I'm just pointing out his logic.

They signed a proven veteran coach with solid playoff experience, no matter who was on the roster.

We signed a guy who's only experience in the NBA is as an assistant.

That's a clear edge to Orlando, considering our guy is a total unknown.

Aside from JRich's word, who I said I believe, Mullin says he's not going to trade one of his stars. Saying something like that means nothing in the NBA. Every GM is going to say that he's not shopping his star unless things are pretty bad, and even then they usually won't admit it.

I love JRich, but he was expendable. The Warriors were glad to move him, even if they say they loved him and it was the hardest thing the organization ever had to do. They have a bevy of gunners to replace him and a young guard who all make much less money. Many critics thing that JRich is overrated because he doesn't have that great of a handle, he can't make free throws, and he's not an elite guard. Unlike a guard like Kobe or TMac, his talent level and effectiveness on the court are debatable, which isn't to say he isn't amazing, but just that he does have clear flaws. Many of the GS fans admitted that while they were praising us for acquiring him and sharing their displeasure at losing him. Given said criticism, many critics think we overpaid for him since we need a guy who's a proven go to scorer, who can create his own shot. I think J Rich can do that. Others don't. The point is debatable.

Dav...

The value thing is significant, but I think a lot of people like Lewis's game a lot more than Wallace's. Is it $60M better? Of course not, and Orlando unquestionably overpaid to get him. However, Lewis is a PERFECT fit for what Orlando needs, a young gunner who can get some boards and open things up for Howard. While people question his defensive ability, nobody questions whether Lewis can do what Orlando is paying him to do. People can question that about Wallace and JRich.

Again, Lewis is dramatically overpaid. But people talk about these guys the same way parents talk about babies. No matter what your own babies look like, you think they're beautiful. Meanwhile, everyone else's babies look like old guys and aliens. Lewis is a fantastic player who isn't nearly as bad defensively as people make him out to be.

I'm tired of talking about Orlando because I don't support them, I don't believe in them, and have little interest in them. However, they're going to be a dangerous team this year as long as Nelson plays solid ball. I completely respect any writer who likes what they've done in the off season, even if they have overpaid to get it.

I do not agree with Stein. I would place our off season higher than Orlando's. But I see his point. I especially appreciate that he acknowledges the little changes that teams like Detroit did without having the flexibility (considering they were resigning Billups) that a lot of teams had.

[dav7z]

I can't understand how any one could question us signing Wallace at 57 milion and us picking J. Richs contract.A proven solid player. And say at the same time thet no one should question Lewis ability and his lack of defence. Because he is doing what he's geting paid to do open things up for Howard. The guy makes over a 100 milion dollars and his abilitys to me are a big question.Go back to the player rankings i posted. Yes in the rankings Lewis is better hes ranked 29th AND HIS ABILITYS CAN'T BE QUESTIONED. Wallace is ranked way back one position behind him at 30th and Rich is way back seven positions at 37th, So being ranked so much futher back than Lewis thair abilitys can be questioned. I can't understand the logic in this thinking of how our picks are to be questioned and it's ok to give Lewis that kind of money unquestioned. All so explain to me why Lewis is worth more than Wallace. Wallace is 24 and Lewis is 29 and its only one position in player ranking between the two. Why is Lewis worth so much more . Iall so ask the same question about J.Rich being younger and just being ranked just seven positions lower . Please explain all this logic the writer has.

[spectre]

Exactly...why do we only focus on JRich's flaws of no handles, FT, etc. while giving a total pass to Lewis' no handles, lack of defense and pitiful rebounding for a 6'10" guy?

Bobcats Voted As League’s Fourth-Best Offseason (http://www.nba.com/bobcats/07_best_offseasons_main.html)

Writers from a dozen official NBA team websites recently responded to this question: Which club has enjoyed the best 2007 offseason? Writers were asked to rank teams 1 through 5, but were not allowed to include the squad they cover within their top-five ranking.

Two teams ranked Orlando in the top 5...we got 4th overall.


The value thing is significant, but I think a lot of people like Lewis's game a lot more than Wallace's.

Please elaborate. Per that chart their stats are almost identical...and Crash actually plays on both sides of the ball.

Talk Me Off the Ledge (Pessimistic Thread) (http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=713054&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0)

Started by a Magic fan who lives in Seattle...who's watched Lewis for his entire career.

There's no getting around it; Stein's logic is just flat out whacked.

[davcbow]

Once again I will say " I dont care what the so called experts think say or do because none of them believe in the Bobcats.... " I wonder how many of them actually take the time to sit down and watch an entire Bobcats game if any at all, :-\ then I also wonder how many of them use AP snipets and then write a article without doing any real research, just going on what others think but rewording it. Yes I saw that go on alot in college....:mad: I seriously think the Cats are going to be good this year and will make the playoffs with or without the writers approval.... :g:

[dnbman]

Exactly...why do we only focus on JRich's flaws of no handles, FT, etc. while giving a total pass to Lewis' no handles, lack of defense and pitiful rebounding for a 6'10" guy?

Bobcats Voted As League’s Fourth-Best Offseason (http://www.nba.com/bobcats/07_best_offseasons_main.html)

Writers from a dozen official NBA team websites recently responded to this question: Which club has enjoyed the best 2007 offseason? Writers were asked to rank teams 1 through 5, but were not allowed to include the squad they cover within their top-five ranking.

Two teams ranked Orlando in the top 5...we got 4th overall.


The value thing is significant, but I think a lot of people like Lewis's game a lot more than Wallace's.

Please elaborate. Per that chart their stats are almost identical...and Crash actually plays on both sides of the ball.

Talk Me Off the Ledge (Pessimistic Thread) (http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=713054&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0)

Started by a Magic fan who lives in Seattle...who's watched Lewis for his entire career.

There's no getting around it; Stein's logic is just flat out whacked.




Spectre, the opinions on Lewis were just the opposite when Seattle was in the playoffs. Since they didn't make the playoffs, people were dogging on Lewis just like Yankee fans were dogging on A-Rod. I'm not saying Lewis is any kind of MVP candidate, but he's a great player. And again, he's exactly what the Magic need, a guy who can light it up from the 3 point line. I haven't heard much about Lewis's lack of handle, so you've got me there. He seems to be pretty solid, even if he's not Kobe. As for his rebounding, he was third in the league among all small forwards in rebounding. I think his supposed lack of rebounding comes more from how he operates as a wing player than his lack of ability to get rebounds. 6.6 boards ain't bad.

Dav... We got the better deal. I never questioned that. All I'm saying is a sane person could look at what Orlando did and look at what Charlotte did and like Orlando's chances better. You can add all kinds of things to it: they lost so-and-so, they overpaid for Lewis, etc. But some people think Orlando set themselves up pretty nicely by acquiring Lewis and adding another banger in Foyle.

Jeez... I really don't care. Hate the guy. Call him an idiot. I couldn't care less. I just think in general I get annoyed reading any fan board (not just the Bobcats) and see fans foam at the mouth after reading a columnist's article, especially on something as subjective as "who had the best off season."

Go burn down his house. Stone him. I don't care.

God save the queen.

[spectre]

Heh...sorry if I sort of jumped on you. Chalk it up to the "dead" time I guess.

This guy is just so out of the norm. Very very few analysts have ranked us so low and Orlando so high. He gives credit to a lot of teams for somewhat obscure things, like picking the best available in the draft (or Rasheed for losing 25 lbs!!!) yet downplayed much innovative and bigger moves like us taking JRich.

Not really a big deal, but when voicing opinions like these someone so out there like Stein is should be questioned, and he shouldn't be suprised at all if his assessments are met with derision.

And like that post I linked to RealGM...even their own fans are questioning their offseason, where we're all pretty much in agreement that we had a great one. I doubt very seriously if we're all deluded.

[Jonathanmartin7]

Just sitting back scanning over some topics. you 3 guys have kept this post going strong for 2 pages now! I hope we have game threads with as much thought put into them. My 2 cents worth, retract the word idiot, and insert "Jerk", or "Ass" and Dnbman may not disagree. I still think he's an idiot along with any other insulting term I can come up with for being critcal of the Bobcats. Not that he isn't correct, he may be, I don't really care if he is or not. It's sports enjoy it.
Quote from Dnbman,
"Again, we're the beneficiaries, but we paid a song for him. We gave up valuable cap space and a young prospect, who most people had nothing but goods to say about until after we traded him away. If we kept him, I guarantee everyone on here, with rare exception, would be talking about how he's going to be our Chris Bosh, giving us the best 4-5 combo in the NBA".
You would have heard me say this a thousand times, I still think we gave up the next "Chris Bosh" for a Kangaroo with jumper.

[dav7z]

Dnbman ,It's not about you or even Lewis . You allways have good and valid points. The main problem is i see this writer being bias. Even you would have to addmit the Bobcat is all ways geting disrespected by thing such as still being called the Hornets by some of the miada. I all so think the writers lack of knowledge contributes to the problems. Sports wrighters get paid big to report the true and accrate news . And i feel thet they just half do thair jobs thats why we don't get the corect attition. Just me or may be some others all so get tired of being disrespected by the media because of them not doing thair jobs to the best of thair ability.Whitch i think happened in this case.Dnbman i really do like to hear your post.and i really respect your openions. Even if at times we disagree about somthing . Thats what nmakes it fun when we can disagree and still get along and not make it personal. Good posting .Dav7z

[dnbman]

Gentlemen,

I've got love for everyone. Consider the peace pipe passed.

A little explanation for why I made so many responses:

1. I naturally play devil's advocate and try to see the other side of things.

More importantly:

2. I visit a ton of message boards where people talk basketball. With the exception of a few groups of cynical fans, almost all of them think that anyone who points out there team/players' flaws is an idiot. Granted, that's more than acceptable if it's a troll who goes to another message board just to talk smack. However, I think a lot of these fans show a complete lack of class for not acknowledging the other side of an issue. I have a ton of respect for the folks here, and just don't like to think the same of thing our group.

I completely understand calling Stein out. Jonathan's right; If you'd have called the guy a jerk, I probably wouldn't have cared. It's just like family; if someone insults them or doesn't acknowledge that they're great, we got offended. But thinking they're a jerk and thinking their argument has no validity are two different things.

We're awfully excited. We're a fourth year franchise and optimistic. Optimism has been a matter of survival for us for the first three years. However, just because we move forward doesn't mean what we did goes without criticism.


OH, and Dave... I completely agree about the lack of respect. That is pretty true, as Stephen A. demonstrated on national TV. But, again, the only thing that's going to prove them wrong is us winning. And, honestly, if we make the playoffs, I'm hope I'm focusing more on the joy of us winning than how pathetic Stephen A. is.

(on a side note: I wouldn't mind it if someone egged Stephen A.'s house.)

[Slam]

WOW!!

I hadn't read this thread since it went passed the first 5 or so posts only to find it had gone off the charts!!

Dnb - thankfully you aren't the GM/owner of the Bobcats. It would appear you chase fools gold because it is shiny and ignore the fact it has no substance.

[dnbman]

Dnb - thankfully you aren't the GM/owner of the Bobcats. It would appear you chase fools gold because it is shiny and ignore the fact it has no substance.


Thanks?!

I'm not sure what you are talking about.

Although, it's probably a good thing I'm not the owner of the Bobcats. Considering I stress out over whether I can afford a pizza, I probably wouldn't be willing to pay most of these guys salaries.

You'd all be watching me be an owner/GM/coach/player and the first 14 people I could bribe to be the rest of the team.

Don't even get me started on what the dance team would look like. Let's just say the popular one would be the one with teeth.

[dav7z]

Dnbman, Are you trying to say the less teeth the better.
Please explain that one NO don't i might be able to handle it

[dnbman]

Dnbman, Are you trying to say the less teeth the better.
Please explain that one NO don't i might be able to handle it


NO! That's why the one WITH teeth would be the popular one! ;)

[dav7z]

How many made it with just one tooth......

[dnbman]

Almost as many as the ones that made it with one leg. :biggrin:

[davcbow]

Back when I was a kid my Mom once read an article that was about "Why we should eat carrots and the value they add to your eye sight", next thing we noticed was everything we ate had a orange color to it which we found out later was minced carrots. I like carrots but come on mom. Today we all have bad eye sight and are no better off for having ate all those carrots.
Moral of the story is dont believe everything we read...... :g:

[dnbman]

Back when I was a kid my Mom once read an article that was about "Why we should eat carrots and the value they add to your eye sight", next thing we noticed was everything we ate had a orange color to it which we found out later was minced carrots. I like carrots but come on mom. Today we all have bad eye sight and are no better off for having ate all those carrots.
Moral of the story is dont believe everything we read...... :g:


Man... you and Slam have gone cryptic!

The dancers will be eating carrots; that's for sure!!

[dav7z]

The one leg carrot thing sounds very interesting . It depends on what they can do like that . You might have asell out..

[davcbow]

I wonder if Morrison likes carrots.... :g:

[Slam]

This thread is offically the weirdest thread ever.

Starts with some arse clown calling us the Hornets, then moves onto the slamming and following support of Jrich, then onto dnb being a miserable tight wad with his coin, onto chicks without teeth, dancers with carrots and then finally, and maybe the most distirbing twist..............AMMO!!!




Freaks. All of ya!

[dnbman]

This thread is offically the weirdest thread ever.

Starts with some arse clown calling us the Hornets, then moves onto the slamming and following support of Jrich, then onto dnb being a miserable tight wad with his coin, onto chicks without teeth, dancers with carrots and then finally, and maybe the most distirbing twist..............AMMO!!!




Freaks. All of ya!


man... miserable tight wad and chaser of fool's gold, all in one thread.

Well... I've been called worse.

[dav7z]

Its offical this thread has gone to hell.LOL

[davcbow]

Whats going on is "Nothing is happening" we didnt get Batista, we havent heard anything the team is doing. Heck they havent even changed the roster since Voskuhl moved on. The silence is loud.... :g:

[timang]

i can't think of anything to say about this thread! it's a roller coaster ride out here :hypo:

[ziggy]

This thread is offically the weirdest thread ever.

Starts with some arse clown calling us the Hornets, then moves onto the slamming and following support of Jrich, then onto dnb being a miserable tight wad with his coin, onto chicks without teeth, dancers with carrots and then finally, and maybe the most distirbing twist..............AMMO!!!




Freaks. All of ya!


You guys are absolutely hysterical :hysterical:

[dav7z]

This thread is offically the weirdest thread ever.

Starts with some arse clown calling us the Hornets, then moves onto the slamming and following support of Jrich, then onto dnb being a miserable tight wad with his coin, onto chicks without teeth, dancers with carrots and then finally, and maybe the most distirbing twist..............AMMO!!!




Freaks. All of ya!


You guys are absolutely hysterical :hysterical:

As we can see by the little man laying down in your post you must be feeding MAY doughnuts. And giving Morrosom carrots. What underhanded things are you doing with or TOO Felton............................................

[davcbow]

Hey Ziggy when are you going to have "Carrot orange KK doughnuts t-shirts" made up with pictures of May and Morrison on it? ...... :-\

[dav7z]

He could have a Morrison shirt with a bald Morrison holding a carrot in one hand and a doughnut in the other, and May chasing him with a bud in one hand and his toung draging the ground screaming doughnuts.
Ziggy is ready to take ordors,Whos in for a Morrison , May first..

[Mustachio]

"Wow this topic really got out of hand... yeah it really jumped up a notch... but im proud of you guys... you kept your head on a swivel and thats what you have to do in a viscous cockfight"

sorry i switched into Anchorman mode there.

DNB you suck haha just kidding. i completly agree with most of what your saying. sometimes this place gets a little too homery for my liking (even though im one of the worst!).

But you know how it is... when your completely ignored most of the time and most always disrespected like the Bobcats are... the fans are naturally gonna go on the defensive and overcompensate. When your called the wrong name multiple times a day... i think you get a free pass on being a homer.

however... as far as Orlando goes... theres no homerism involved... WE HAD A BETTER OFFSEASON. now i agree that we have to fight this out on the court and anything here is just pure speculation. BUT even if we finish a few games behind Orlando and even if we dont make the playoffs and they do. WE are in a better financial situation in the end. They are crippled and cant get any better. at the end of this season we can make some wiggle room and add the peices we want . Orlando has what they have and are stuck with it for a while. I think as of now.. we have a younger, more solid team already.. add that to some financial wiggle room and i think were clearly better off than Ol O-town.


but keep playing devils advocate brother... i need to more often myself.

[spectre]

Orlando Magic's Tony Battie might face shoulder surgery (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/orl-bk-magic2707sep27,0,5499161.story)

Maybe Stein should revise his offseason marks for Orlando.

[Slam]

Lets not forget the fiasco that was the Billy Donavon saga.

They screwed the pooch with thier coaching selection and then payed WELL over the odds for a fairly one dimensional player.