Are we showcasing Morrison

[dav7z]

If we are look at his stats . Hes doing a good job of showing his talents in thease first two games. He got the start as Wallace rested acording to the artical. Hes played a lot of mins the first to games as if he was being shown to the highest bidder. It's no need to keep him Dudley, Herrmann, Hammer, Rich. and Wallace. We could easly trade one of them.And so far Morrison has looked as good as any of them. Who thinks it's a Morrison sale coming soon.

Check out his mins and his stats . Tell me what ya think his value is going up either way.




http://www.nba.com/bobcats/recap_hawks_071011.html

[Jonathanmartin7]

Here we go again.

[dav7z]

Charlotte oserver

http://www.charlotte.com/bobcats/story/315697.html

[Mustachio]

baahahahahaa. you are a persistent little devil. ill give you that.


If Ammo keeps playing with good percentages, decent defense and a swagger. You can forget Ammo gettin traded, and start thinkin about him starting.

[spectre]

baahahahahaa.  you are a persistent little devil. ill give you that.


If Ammo keeps playing with good percentages, decent defense and a swagger.   You can forget Ammo gettin traded, and start thinkin about him starting.


If only we didn't have about 20 million tied up in two fringe all stars at the 2 & 3 I'd agree.  Crash doesn't want to play at the 4 and I doubt we'd force that on him for the next 3-4 years either.

Nothing wrong with being a gunner off the bench.  He showed some D last night, didn't turn the ball over and pulled in some boards.  That being said...we're going to have to address getting a big guy sometime...and it WILL take assets.

Nice to see him doing well...I want to see more.

[dav7z]

Mustashio you have to addmit he played good. All so you have to addmit he led the team in mins by a long shot. SHOWCASED ?
LOL

[davcbow]

I guess we could be trying for a trade, but I hope not.... :g:

[Wallace15]

If Ammo can play like he did last night consistenly then I never wanna trade him. Although, I don't think he'll start with us having JRich and Crash(unless one of the 2 are injured like Crash was lastnight), but if he can keep playing like he did lastnight then he's gonna be a great spark coming of the bench.

[dav7z]

Do you really think Crash was hurt last night. The artical said hes being rested. hmmmm. The radio said he had a sore knee.Did you notice the Atlanta fans said OK50 wasent trying last night.SHOWCASED?

[Mustachio]

like i always say... i see the reasoning behind the idea of trading Ammo. I just dont see the real life options. you show me

I agree that having crash and now J-rich tied up for several years, will limit Ammos minutes and having a great player on the bench would seem like a waste. and its gotta be frustrating to adam thinking that he may never start on this team.

That being said.... Crash and Jrich are no strangers to the Injury report. Having a guy like Adam to be a spark off the bench, and having him fill in during the injury times or rest periods... is absolutely essential in having a quality team.

[Slam]

Ammo isn't going to get that many mins in the regular season.

JRich will be playing 35+ as will Crash. Hammer will log a lot of mins off the bench. There just wont be the PT for Ammo unless there are injury or foul concerns.

Enjoy it while you can I say.

[qchoops]

I don't see the team trading Morrison - just because we have Gerald and Jason, doesn't mean we don't need depth at those positions. Crash is an injury waiting to happen with his style of play and Jason just had knee surgery a year ago. And remember, San Antonio has Manu coming off the bench. If the Bobcats want to get to that level, it takes a couple of really good players and several more solid ones. I hope that Ammo can be one of those solid players for the team in the years ahead.

[Slam]

If guy's play their true positions where they would be most effective:

Crash, JRich, Hammer, Fabio, DA, Dude, Ammo.

We have depth at the wings. Quality depth. Too much depth if you consider how thin we are up front.

[Slam]

Spurs have Manu coming off the bench.........like we have Hammer coming off the bench.

We don't need two offensive bench players.

[qchoops]

Agreed that we have depth there this year - but next year, DA and Walter will no longer be under contract. If Walter plays as well this year as he did last, then I doubt the team would be able to keep him for less than they would pay to pick up Ammo's option, ~$4.2 million.

[spectre]

Only Fabio can play the 4, a position of weakness.

[dav7z]

I M giving Morrison cradit. Hes played great the last two games. But look at this thing.Wallace tied up the next six years. Rich tied up the next four years. It's no way Morrison starts over those two. Hammer tied up the next six years.No way his contract is that long if hes not the offence off the beanch in the fucture. Dudley a lot smaller contract than Morrison and is tied up for five years cheap.Herrmann is expendable too if we pick up a solid four or five. With the addition of Hollins and Davidson. It's no place for Morrison. Hes being showcased to be traded . His value has had to go up the last two games as he will play as much as possable in the preseason. I wouldn't be suprised to see a packege of him and either Primoz or Herrmann for a quility four or five.Don't expect Wallace , Rich, Hammer, or Dudley going any where.

[Mustachio]

fine with that and all ... but why not dudley?

[dav7z]

Dudley is on the cheap in case somone gets hurt. He wouuld be ok for short sperts at the three and the four . Turly i hope Morrison gets traded . I love the way he plays and the attitude he has. But hes not starting hear and i think hes starter material. The kid deserves to start after all hes over come. And what he has to do ever day with his diabetic problems. NO i would't give him away but if it made sence for the team and could give Ammo a starting gig im all for it. Tell ya though he might come back and kick our tails . Hes got talent.

[spectre]

fine with that and all ... but why not dudley?


I can only hope Duds would raise his value to the point we could get a legit starting PF/C out of him.  Most (including me) probably think that Ammo will have the most value that can be replaced.

Until Coach V became so insistent on playing Mek at the 4 I was really envisioning Fabio to be the trade bait; he's older but not NBA experienced plus there's just something sweet about turning a free pickup into good value.

So see, you should HOPE for Fabio to get PT!

[dav7z]

Fabio might not be getting much time because how he ended last year . And his favorable contract. The last impression of him is very good . Don't mess that impression up. I read a lot of teams had intrest in him in the off season. Him and Morrison might bring in a damn good P/F OR CENTER. The way Morrison has started off the season. If he has one more good game other Gms will start licking thair chops.

[Mustachio]

ok so we trade Morrison and Hermann for LaMarcus Alderidge


Ray, Rich, Crash, Oak, LA. thats great and all. but what happens when Crash goes down. are you prepared to go with Dudley as our starting SF?? Carroll could fill in for Rich i guess. Me personally id just prefer to have an offensive player that can fill in Crashs huge hole he would leave.

If were gonna get rid of Hermann or Morrison id much rather try and package a garbage big like Premoz and Harrington.

I could see Hermann/Morrison(one or the other), Primoz, Harrington for a decent big. that would get rid of both waste of space... keep most of our young talent and bring in a big.

but i still doubt that has ANY chance of happening.

[Slam]

fine with that and all ... but why not dudley?





Ammo dupliactes something we already have - an offensive spark off the bench (Hammer). Could you make an argument to keep Ammo and trade Hammer - sure - but I bet even though Ammo hasn't started his season well, he'll cost a HECK of a lot more than the Hammer did to resign.

The Dude provides much more versatility than Ammo being able to play both ends and the 3/4 and he has a skill set that better compliments what we already have rather than duplicate it like Ammo does. Plus as Dav said, he's cheaper than Ammo and always will be.

I'm like Dav - I want to see the kid do well. I really liked him at Zag. I just don't see him doing well with us. In a perfect world the Blazers would have taking him #2 and we would have drafted LMA #3 and everyone would have been happy.

Ammo would KILL it in Portland with the roster they have.

Blake
Roy
Ammo
Frye (or Randolph)
Oden

looks as good as

Felts
JRich
Crash
EO50
LMA

[Slam]

thats great and all. but what happens when Crash goes down. are you prepared to go with Dudley as our starting SF??




100 out of 100 times I would start Dude at the 3 before Ammo. If Crash went down it wouldn't be his offense we'd miss, it would be his D. Ammo can't bring that or fill that void (not that anyone could - this IS Crash we are talking about!!) but Dude would address it a lot more than Ammo can.

[spectre]

Plus JRich is a 2/3 and can fill in for Crash. That would allow DA (this year) and Hammer to man the 2.

[dav7z]

I would do Frye or LMA for Morrison as that would help both teams. Morrison would thrive thair. They would have a damn good starting five and still building. With one more loto pick whitch i think they get. They could make noize in the west with Olden . See Frye or LMA is EXPENDABLE same as Morrison is to us . It would help both teams. Mustashio i would like to packege Primoz to im soooooooooooo pissed at him.

[davcbow]

All this trade talk you guys are disscussing, I say "be careful what you wish for".
They can come back on another team and really haunt us.... :g:

[dav7z]

Look at Portlands players they need a s/f as bad as we need a p/f center.


http://trailblazers.realgm.com/profiles.phtml


They all so got about 20 players on that roster.

[davcbow]

Who do you like on that roster? Id only consider Przybilla or maybe Sinanovic.... :g:

[kjk2241]

I dont really understand two things that you guys keep saying...

1. Hammer is the spark off the bench.
I agree, but Hammer and Ammo are two completely different players. Hammer is a spot up shooter. He has improved on driving to the basket but the majority of his points are on his spot up jumper. Ammo can get his points in a variety of ways and especially when the shot clock is going down. Yes, his percentage sucked last year, but give him time. He's played in one season and 2 preseason games.

2. Why all of you are so high on Duds?
I agree that he has potential, but everybody is ready to give him the top reserve spot and we haven't even seen him play in any game yet. The only thing we know about him is what we have read and remember we all read some amazing things about Ammo in the preseason last year.

My point being I have to side with Mustachio here. Ammo has a ton of potential and to be honest more than Duds or Hammer. Whether he does anything with that I have no clue, but I can't give up on him after 1 bad rookie season. I know we all want to win now, but I dont give a crap about the playoffs I care about a championship. Let our guys develop.

[Mustachio]

thats great and all. but what happens when Crash goes down. are you prepared to go with Dudley as our starting SF??




100 out of 100 times I would start Dude at the 3 before Ammo. If Crash went down it wouldn't be his offense we'd miss, it would be his D. Ammo can't bring that or fill that void (not that anyone could - this IS Crash we are talking about!!) but Dude would address it a lot more than Ammo can.


How do you know the dude address's anything?!?! he hasnt played a minute in the NBA.

meanwhile adam morrison scored 20 points on fairly efficient shooting an was praised by Vincent on his defensive effort.

look im not saying dont trade Ammo... im just saying put aside your dislike for the guy and give everyone their due. Dudley looks promising sure. But right now hes an injury risk and thats the ONLY thing we know. you cant say dudley is better than morrison on defense because you dont know. Dudley lacks the atheletiscm just as much as Ammo does maybe even more. he aint gonna block anyone with a 12 inch vertical.

[Slam]

2. Why all of you are so high on Duds?
I agree that he has potential, but everybody is ready to give him the top reserve spot and we haven't even seen him play in any game yet.





That's not 100% true. Some of us watched him a lot at BC and that is what we are basing our judgement off.

[dav7z]

It has nothing to do with Dudley. Its about inproving the team. I like Morrison and sure he can come off the beanch for us . But the fact is Rich and Wallace is going to continue to be our starters. Carroll is comited for the next six years . Being our off the beanch scorer. Dudley is hear in case some one gets hurt. D.Anderson can play the two or the three. Trading Morrison for a good p/f benefits us and Ammo as he is starter material and a starting p/f is our biggest need. Morrison has more value than any other player we are willing to trade to get that p/f . In Portland fans would love him . Portland has no one who would start over him at s/f .So Ammo gets a starting gig near his home. And we get get a starting big we despertly need. In Frye or LMA.. That benefits all concerned.

[Mustachio]

2. Why all of you are so high on Duds?
I agree that he has potential, but everybody is ready to give him the top reserve spot and we haven't even seen him play in any game yet.





That's not 100% true. Some of us watched him a lot at BC and that is what we are basing our judgement off.



so your tellin me that Jared Dudley looked better at BC than Adam Morrison did at Gonzaga. because thats the only way you can compare them at this point.

[dav7z]

Notice i didn't say that. Who do you think will make the better pro. Morrison, Thats why i want to trade him over Dudley because of value. We will not get a quility P/F FOR NOTHING. Thats why Morrison is the logical choice. Im even willing to packege him and Fabio to get a quility p/f
As i would rather packege Primoz hes worthless not coming to camp . If i thought he had that kind of value it would be him in a second. Mustachio who would you trade to get a quility big be realistic.

[kjk2241]

2. Why all of you are so high on Duds?
I agree that he has potential, but everybody is ready to give him the top reserve spot and we haven't even seen him play in any game yet.





That's not 100% true. Some of us watched him a lot at BC and that is what we are basing our judgement off.



so your tellin me that Jared Dudley looked better at BC than Adam Morrison did at Gonzaga. because thats the only way you can compare them at this point.


Thank you for expressing exactly what I was trying to say. Great point

[dav7z]

Explain WHAT does Dudley have to do with us show caseing Morrison as Dudley don't have the value Morrison has.
You get what you pay for is true. Thats why it will take Morrison to get a quility p/f. Morrison is being show cased to get us that big . If he don't get traded befor regular season starts. His playing time will drop drastilly. As J- Rich and Wallace will be playing 35 plus mins a game.And he will be sharing with Carroll and Herrmann for back up mins. D.Anderson needs some mins from time to time all so.

[kjk2241]

Explain WHAT does Dudley have to do with us show caseing Morrison as Dudley don't have the value Morrison has.
You get what you pay for is true. Thats why it will take Morrison to get a quility p/f. Morrison is being show cased to get us that big . If he don't get traded befor regular season starts. His playing time will drop drastilly. As J- Rich and Wallace will be playing 35 plus mins a game.And he will be sharing with Carroll and Herrmann for back up mins. D.Anderson needs some mins from time to time all so.


Ok lets be honest here. You wouldnt mind seeing Ammo being traded for a quality big right? I wouldnt mind seeing that either, but it wont happen.

1. One we wouldnt get anybody with the type of potential that Adam has. Bigs are worth a lot more than SF. Especially one that hasnt picked up the idea of Defence yet.

2. Why did we draft Ammo? He has the All-Star potential. All those Bird comparisons were absurd, however in some games he showed us why we drafted him. Ok he showed us that in about three games so the jury is still out, but we have to give him more than one season.

3. Players that are in their rookie contract are rarely traded for something of value. Especially when they were considered a disappointment in their rookie yr.

4. The Jordan Affect. Jordan is too proud and competitive to admit he made a mistake. Even if Ammo wasnt his choice, it was his first pick as GM with us. He will push Adam until he cries and gives up or until he is what we drafted.

At least thats my take, but what the hell do I know. I wanted Gay!

[ammofan]

There is NO WAY we are trading Morrison....Our lineup should look like this:

PG: Felton
SG: JRich
SF: Ammo
PF: GForce
C: Blockafor

Morrison is a potential future ALL STAR and if we trade him we are crazy! Why would we trade a guy that averaged 12 ppg ? I don't understand what is wrong with 12 ppg is....so i am guessing if Durant averages 13-15 ppg this season he will be considered a bust? COME ON!!!!! ??? :mad: :-\ :crazy: :ranting: :shutup: :shrug: :bang: :cry: :crazy:

[spectre]

Ok lets be honest here. You wouldnt mind seeing Ammo being traded for a quality big right? I wouldnt mind seeing that either, but it wont happen.

1. One we wouldnt get anybody with the type of potential that Adam has. Bigs are worth a lot more than SF. Especially one that hasnt picked up the idea of Defence yet.

2. Why did we draft Ammo? He has the All-Star potential. All those Bird comparisons were absurd, however in some games he showed us why we drafted him. Ok he showed us that in about three games so the jury is still out, but we have to give him more than one season.

3. Players that are in their rookie contract are rarely traded for something of value. Especially when they were considered a disappointment in their rookie yr.

4. The Jordan Affect. Jordan is too proud and competitive to admit he made a mistake. Even if Ammo wasnt his choice, it was his first pick as GM with us. He will push Adam until he cries and gives up or until he is what we drafted.

At least thats my take, but what the hell do I know. I wanted Gay!


I don't necessarily agree with all your points...but very well said!

FWIW Ammo isn't going anywhere this season either IMO...mainly for point #4. They'll use the old "evaluation of what we have" for another year at least.

Y'all know that if he DOES break out that would make it even more likely he'd be traded. One because he would then bring something of value for a position of neeed, two because we're not paying 30 million for 2 roster spots.

But that's the kind of position you want to be in.

[timang]

it's gettin hot in here :P

ammo? he's still a bobcat. he will be a bobcat this season. this is probably the first time i've heard of a player showcased in the pre-season for trade talks. correct me if i'm wrong though.

[Slam]

Mustachio - I REALLY want you to read, understand and internalize what I am about to type because I've typed it for a year and yet you always seem to gloss over it:

I DO NOT HATE ADAM MORRISON!!

I loved him at Zag. You HAVE to stop making this whole thing into a love/hate thing. You love Ammo. You always have, probably always will. But that doesn't mean that people that think he would be a better player some where else automatically hate him. That's not how it works. He's our greatest trading chip, that is all. That and he doesn't fit into the team we are building. So I say move him. I knew he wouldn't fit when we drafted him and I have been nothing but right since that point on.

In answer to your question "Was Dude better at BC that Ammo was at Zag?" - Ammo is a MUCH better offensive player in a college system but Dude is a MUCH more rounded player. Hope that makes sense?

kjk2241:

1. Who says Ammo has more potential? Sure, his shooting numbers should improve, but he's not the type that has a high ceiling. That was one of the reasons we were told we drafted him. He was the most "NBA ready" player in the 06 draft. He's never going to board better, he's never going to jump higher and kid yourself as much as you want, he's NEVER going to play better D.

2. Every player to play in the NBA has All Star potential. Thing is, only a few reach it. I have a handful of magic beans. Want to buy them from me? They have the potential to bring you great wealth.

3. The Raps turned CV into TJ Ford. Use that as a yard stick. Frye would have been PERFECT as he was coming off a poor season. There are always guy's like Sheldon Williams (sorry Spectre), Boone, Armstrong, CV etc.

4. You might have a point here. MJ's ego is widely known, even if Ammo wasn't his pick.

I wanted LMA, Roy and then Gay. Guess no one got what they wanted!!!

[jaxatax23]

Explain WHAT does Dudley have to do with us show caseing Morrison as Dudley don't have the value Morrison has.
You get what you pay for is true. Thats why it will take Morrison to get a quility p/f. Morrison is being show cased to get us that big . If he don't get traded befor regular season starts. His playing time will drop drastilly. As J- Rich and Wallace will be playing 35 plus mins a game.And he will be sharing with Carroll and Herrmann for back up mins. D.Anderson needs some mins from time to time all so.


Ok lets be honest here. You wouldnt mind seeing Ammo being traded for a quality big right? I wouldnt mind seeing that either, but it wont happen.

1. One we wouldnt get anybody with the type of potential that Adam has. Bigs are worth a lot more than SF. Especially one that hasnt picked up the idea of Defence yet.

2. Why did we draft Ammo? He has the All-Star potential. All those Bird comparisons were absurd, however in some games he showed us why we drafted him. Ok he showed us that in about three games so the jury is still out, but we have to give him more than one season.

3. Players that are in their rookie contract are rarely traded for something of value. Especially when they were considered a disappointment in their rookie yr.

4. The Jordan Affect. Jordan is too proud and competitive to admit he made a mistake. Even if Ammo wasnt his choice, it was his first pick as GM with us. He will push Adam until he cries and gives up or until he is what we drafted.

At least thats my take, but what the hell do I know. I wanted Gay!


1) ur right that bigs r more valuable, but would u rather have a bench player or a starter in frye or LMA

2) You say we should give him one more season...what in the hell would that do?? honestly think about it... he might get less playing time this year then last with the addition of jrich...so what good would him sitting on the bench do?? we need somebody who can contribute now

3)LMA also had a bad year last year..and frye wasnt really that much better either, but they have the chance to start here and could do great things for us...START not sit...plus next year they will have oden so that means one will likely get traded anyway

4) I do however think you are right about this one...but jordan will also be in trouble if the year starts and we r gettin killed inside....especially if Okafor goes down like he normally does...we would be screwed...im sure fans wouldnt be too upset if we were actually getting a starting big man.....nobody has fun watching primoz or harrington

This is the main point...yes ammo has great potential an i honestly think he could become an allstar....but he wont if he remains here...he needs more opportunity an portland would give him that...an right now he is our best chance of landing frye or LMA...it would help us and portland out so much... NEED A BIG MAN

[kjk2241]

kjk2241:

1. Who says Ammo has more potential? Sure, his shooting numbers should improve, but he's not the type that has a high ceiling. That was one of the reasons we were told we drafted him. He was the most "NBA ready" player in the 06 draft. He's never going to board better, he's never going to jump higher and kid yourself as much as you want, he's NEVER going to play better D.

2. Every player to play in the NBA has All Star potential. Thing is, only a few reach it. I have a handful of magic beans. Want to buy them from me? They have the potential to bring you great wealth.

3. The Raps turned CV into TJ Ford. Use that as a yard stick. Frye would have been PERFECT as he was coming off a poor season. There are always guy's like Sheldon Williams (sorry Spectre), Boone, Armstrong, CV etc.

4. You might have a point here. MJ's ego is widely known, even if Ammo wasn't his pick.

I wanted LMA, Roy and then Gay. Guess no one got what they wanted!!!



Alright I have a few things to respond to...
1. I agree Ammo was expected to be the most NBA ready and he wasn't especially mentally. But would you be happy with the 16ppg that many were expecting for his rookie yr? If his shooting percentage improves a little he would be at that number. That is good potential. Maybe not athletic potential, but I dont care who you are a player can make a great living off of 16ppg.

2. If you really believe that every player who is in the NBA has All Star potential than there is nothing I can say.

3. You have probably named some realistic big guy possibilities. As I said in my post " I wouldnt mid seeing Ammo being traded for a quality big." My problem here is that everybody is saying trade Ammo for LMA. WHo in their right mind who do that trade??? Everybody in CLT, but nobody anywhere else. As for Frye...who would you have wanted if you were NY? Randolph or Morrison?

4. At least you agree with me on one thing!!! Yay!

[kjk2241]

1) ur right that bigs r more valuable, but would u rather have a bench player or a starter in frye or LMA

2) You say we should give him one more season...what in the hell would that do?? honestly think about it... he might get less playing time this year then last with the addition of jrich...so what good would him sitting on the bench do?? we need somebody who can contribute now

3)LMA also had a bad year last year..and frye wasnt really that much better either, but they have the chance to start here and could do great things for us...START not sit...plus next year they will have oden so that means one will likely get traded anyway

4) I do however think you are right about this one...but jordan will also be in trouble if the year starts and we r gettin killed inside....especially if Okafor goes down like he normally does...we would be screwed...im sure fans wouldnt be too upset if we were actually getting a starting big man.....nobody has fun watching primoz or harrington

This is the main point...yes ammo has great potential an i honestly think he could become an allstar....but he wont if he remains here...he needs more opportunity an portland would give him that...an right now he is our best chance of landing frye or LMA...it would help us and portland out so much... NEED A BIG MAN


Ok I must admit I didnt think my posts would get all this reaction but I will continue responding.

1. That is a no brainer. I would rather have LMA or Frye, but like I said before it will not happen. Trust me I would love to eat crow on this one but I am 100% sure that it will never happen. It doesnt make sense for anybody but CLT.

2. IMO we are not going to win a championship this year. I do think we will make the playoffs, but I am not short sighted either. If we have Ammo for another yr and he plays well, he will be worth more in a trade. Right now after his sorry rookie season he does not have value!!! Im not going to trade him for just anything bc I want to win now. This team still is a ways away from Championship talk and I dont think one mediocre player that we can get for AMMO will change that.

3. You make that work then. Trade AMMO for LMA or Frye and I will buy you, Big Slam, Spectre and Davz3 a drink. I would love to see that. Hey maybe if you want to come over to my mommies and daddies house and play NBA2k8 we can make that trade happen. Oh and yes I was being a little sarcastic.

And Finally...
As much as we all want Okafor to play Center, he has been losing weight every yr. He is now our PF. Our new coach doesn't seem to want him to play Center. He's trying to keep him off the injury list. For God's sake right now he is starting Hollins. That means we have our PF, we need a Center. So we are talking about trading Ammo for a Center. Good luck and I would love to see that

[Slam]

No, I don't think that Ammo could land us LMA. Ammo and a top 5 10 protected pick might, but not Ammo straight out.

If I'm NY and I can shed the Francis contract and bring in Ammo and some filler taking a HUGE chunk out of my cap numbers because I don't have to take money back and knowing that Q's back isn't getting any better, I think I would take Ammo.

BUT I also think that Curry and Z-Bo are a terrible pairing.

[kjk2241]

So Big Slam, you would have taken on Fracis' contract and given up Morrison for Frye?

As for AMMO and Lottery 5 Protected Pick for LMA...Id do it.

[dav7z]

Like i said Ammo is being shoped . None of us know his value but the better he plays the higher the value.Ammo for LMA straight up will never happen [this year] Ammo plus a first might get it done . Not sure if that would or not.
I wouldn't mind somthing like a Ammo and Primoz for Charlie V
Im just saying we need a quility big. A lot depends on Ammos value and he is being show cased for a possable trade. Because of our lack of a need for him.

[Mustachio]

big slam buddy take it easy. It has nothing to do with how much i like him either. in fact hes like number 4 or 5 on my favorite bobcats list.
I just simply dont see the trade value... and honestly think it will never happen. its a big for a small and small whos been labeled a bust by his own fans.

and you guys keep saying Morrison is our biggest trade asset. thats hardly true ... hes our biggest trade asset that your willing to give up. Other teams know that too. Me personally i think Fabio is our biggest tradable asset. Hes got more hype about him right now than morrison. and more trade value because of his versatilty.

you say Ammo will never start.. but its looking more and more likely that Fabio wont start either. Now if we think Ammo has more long term potential (suddenly people think hes good again) why not trade Walter to get a big and keep the potential??

[dav7z]

Mustashio i agree . In ordor to get a good big .Trading Herrmann would be fine with me . Coach V seems to be set on starting Hollins. Herrmonn and Morrison for a starting four or five. As i think D. Anderson can play the two and three along with Carroll and Dudley should get some mins thair too. Yes i'd be fine trading both for a big if the two had enough value. I would even give up both and a 1st for a quality big.But if i gave up all that the big better be good.

[davcbow]

I wouldnt do any trades unless it makes our team better, so like dav7z said he better be good..... :g:

[Slam]

kjk2241: If I had to take on the Francis contract, I would have wanted more compensation than just getting Frye - especially having to give up Ammo in the deal. I would have started by wanting Mardy Collins as well and gone from there.

My point was, a deal with the Bobcats would have been a lot more attractive to the Knicks than the deal with the Blazers as the Knicks wouldn't have had to take on the salary they did when they acquired Z-Bo.