Ammo's injury at LA

[TheBeagle]

Saw on Sportscenter that Ammo was carried off court in 3rd after being juked by Luke Walton. There was some screaming involved, but not sure how long it took to get him off court. Knowing our luck, this is an MCL or ACL tear, and he'll be occupying pine with crutches and Sean. Hopefully, we'll receive some good news, but it don't look good :(

[TheBeagle]

Here's a link from the Observer. Too depressed to even make a Bonnell joke or criticism......

http://www.charlotte.com/bobcats/story/327420.html

[dvdbumpus]

We really need to change our conditioning staff...

[Alex]

We just can't catch a break.

[bobcatsden]

A lot of us are critical of Morrison, but no one wants to see him go down with a season-ending injury. Here's hoping it's just a sprain.

[ziggy]

According to the link, the initial diagnosis is a sprain. Lets all hope that its not anything worse.

[ohara831]

I read at bobcat.com where Adam said he hoped it was a sprain but "he heard a pop". That is not the news I wanted to hear. Please God, let this just be a sprain!

[ziggy]

I just saw the replay of the injury on SportsCenter and although it looked and sounded like he was in a lot of pain, his knee didn't look (to me at least) like it bent out of position in a really bad way.

[dav7z]

The news is not offical but from everthing ive read it sounds like a ACL. I really hope not for Morrison and us as a team . But for Morrison more. Him being a diabetic means hes going to be very slow to heal and if its a ACLor even a MCL that means seregy. Ifs its a ACL as early indacations indacate this might be carer ending. Good luck Ammo will be praying for you.

http://www.nba.com/bobcats/recap_lakers_071020.html

[Dunk]

Not to get ahead of ourselves but what are the NBA rules around roster spots and, more importantly, salary in these kinds of situations? Assuming it's a season-ender like May's.

[kjk2241]

All I can say is that this puts a dampner on all people looking for a trade involving AMMO and Hermann. I believe that Hermann will be having more playing time due to the injury and will not be traded. This is going to be an interesting year.

[Slam]

The irony of him injuring himself playing D is not lost on me.

The sound of him screaming last night was not fun.

I wish him well and a speedy return to full health.

[ALong13]

I saw it and it looked like he was in pain, he was screaming pretty loudly....hopefully it isn't too serious, but if it is, I think Herrmann moves to be our back-up SF...

[ohara831]

Yeah. All the talking we were doing the last couple days about possible trades to upgrade and help Oak up front is gone. Not likely a sprain, but we can hope. I think Jermareo and Herrmann get a whole lot of time at the 4 in the upcoming weeks. I like Herrmann's scoring, but I think Jermareo will be our best bet for rebounding and defense. Let our wings and Oak worry with the scoring. We need rebounders and Defense in a BAD WAY! WE are being killed on the boards and give up way to high a FG% on Defense! The stats do not lie.

[Jonathanmartin7]

I am sorry to hear this, I was looking forward to Adam proving his critics wrong this year.

[ohara831]

I went to ESPN, hit NBA site and there is a main article on the injury to Adam. People can comment on the article. I hit that to read what people were saying, and my God, there are some really cruel bastards out there. I don't even want to rewrite what some are saying. Read it yourself, get pissed off. We must just band together and weather this storm as Bobcat Fans! Get fired up out there! Rise up and support your team! We can rise like the Phoenix from the ashes and soar beyond our worst fears or our greatest expectations! Now let's stand up and fight, damnit! Fight!

[Slam]

I know what you mean ohara831. Some dudes at RGM are laughing about it and hoping he is out for the season.

Some people are just arseholes.

[spectre]

Yeah, some ahole made a comment on the RealGM general board about how he hopes he's done for the season.

God has a sense of humor...what comes around goes around.

He came in this year with such a good attitude/work ethic too, was hoping he'd prove all his doubters wrong this year. Hopefully it isn't too bad and he can come back fairly quickly.

[ohara831]

I hope the team takes it to heart, especially tonight. We have Phoenix and Amare. After his comments a couple months ago, I hope we give him a pounding! Nothing dirty or illegal; just an absolute physical pounding!

[dav7z]

Some one got those links if you do please give them to me . Basterds"""""""""""""

[Muttley]

This is a shame. Hopefully it's not anything related to the ACL. I can't believe people would talk that way about an injured athlete. Especially someone like AMMO, who isn't exactly a trash talker. At least not to the public. He's never cut down another team undeservedly, never flicked off his home fans, etc. Hope he heels up as quickly as is possible for whatever his injury is.

[x2pacalypse]

i thought i tore my acl in football once because i heard it pop and it was really loose...but it was just an mcl sprain....i was still out a month though...so for a basketball player with diabetes that equals about 3 months

regardless of the injury we're losing him for some time....lets hope for the best...maybe he has super human healing abilities =-\

[dav7z]

Nice people damn fools


http://myespn.go.com/s/conversations/show/story/3072513

[Dead_Real]

Got on to find this terrible news indeed last thing the Bobcats need is to start with the injury dominoe first May and now Ammo hopefully he's ok and he wont miss to long.

Has anyone found any legit updates and not just speculation from online reporters?

[x2pacalypse]

in this case no news is bad news :(

[123together]

anytime someone like that has to miss the season, it sucks. our depth and potentially 14-15 points off the bench are going to be filled by others. hopefully dudley and herrmann are ready to step up for the WHOLE season

[ALong13]

Well it's official he's out for the whole year with a torn ACL...


LOS ANGELES --Charlotte Bobcats forward Adam Morrison has a torn anterior cruciate ligament in his left knee that will almost certainly require season-ending surgery.

Morrison had an MRI exam Sunday, after his knee buckled in the third quarter of the Bobcats' exhibition loss to the Los Angeles Lakers late Saturday. Morrison cut sharply, trying to head off a drive by Lakers forward Luke Walton, and crumpled to the floor in severe pain.

The MRI revealed a partial to complete tear of the ligament, the team said Sunday before the Bobcats' preseason matchup with the Phoenix Suns. Morrison was scheduled to fly back to Charlotte on the team plane, then be examined Monday by Dr. Glenn Perry, the team physician.

However, coach Sam Vincent was warned by team medical personnel to expect Morrison to miss the season. Morrison felt a popping sensation in the knee during the injury, so the team suspected all along that the initial diagnosis -- a severe sprain -- was optimistic.

Morrison was the third overall pick in the 2006 draft. Though he wasn't starting, he was in the rotation as a small forward. His role was expanding during the preseason, with Vincent relying more on a small lineup with Gerald Wallace at power forward.

Morrison stayed at the team hotel Sunday and was not available for comment.

This is the third recent knee injury to hobble a Bobcat. Sean May had season-ending micro-fracture surgery and Othella Harrington will miss all of the preseason after an athroscopic procedure.

-Charlotte Observer

http://www.charlotte.com/bobcats/story/328487.html

Very sad news, he was doing very well this preseason, and it'll suck seeing him benched, only good thing that comes out of it is that Walter Herrmann should see more minutes at SF....taking another from PF...

[ohara831]

Well, they just have to band together, and play some inspired ball. Use this as a catalyst to propel them forward to a great season.

[davcbow]

Something will have to give us a break this season, geeze....Hang in there Adam and heal heal heal.... :g:

[dav7z]

If it's a compleat tare of the ACL. It's not just season ending but is carer ending . Chances of a come back to be able to play competive sports are slim to none.
It is the worst and most detailed knee seregy thair is. It takes longer to walk from it than a total knee replacement. And it will never be stable again . I Don't know of one player who ever come back from a [ SEVERED OR COMPLEAT ACL TARE] My prayers are with Morrison as he trys to rehabilitate from this injery.

[aznjustice14]

its a torn ligament and he's gonna be out for year.....this season just sucks...i wanna buy nba 2k8 so i can play with out full healthy team and enjoy how good they shoulda been

[ziggy]

My prayers are with Adam. I hope that he can stay mentally strong while not being on the court this year. This is truly sad because he approached this offseason the right way. He hit the weight room, worked on his game, improved his effort on the defensive end of the court. He was doing all of the things that the coaching staff was asking him to do ( Unlike Sean who spent his evenings hitting up PF Changs buffet and flagging down 'entertainers' for table dances... allegedly ) .

[Jonathanmartin7]

The season isn't even started yet and it's already sooo depressing.

[Muttley]

It will be okay. We've played well up against adversity via injury before.

[ziggy]

I have a question:
Will Adam's diabetes lengthen the amount of time that it takes to recover from an injury like this?

[MattD]

The season isn't even started yet and it's already sooo depressing.



I feel the same way (BTW im the matt from before but somehow i could not log back in i had no idea what my user name was but now im good!)

[Muttley]

I have a question:
Will Adam's diabetes lengthen the amount of time that it takes to recover from an injury like this?


I'm curious about surgery. I know that they usually tell you not to eat anything the night before a surgery and it's hard to eat afterwards. I think this would affect someone with diabetes. Anyone have an idea on how do they deal with it?

[davcbow]

They make sure the blood sugar levels are in safe levels before they will do anything. If all that stuff is good then they go ahead.... :g:

[ohara831]

A couple of friend who are diabetic said they thought it would slow the healing time a little, but not horribly so.

[dav7z]

I have a question:
Will Adam's diabetes lengthen the amount of time that it takes to recover from an injury like this?
YES , Im a diabetic and got artifical knees and have had severed ACL seregy, It's much worse than knee replacement. It takes about twice as long to heal as a normal person. All so his chances of geting infection is 10 times as much . Type 1 diabatis is much worse than type 2 like i have. Thats why it's such a worrie about gane green or a staff infection setting in . This is major joint seregy and under normal conditions it would take about a year and a half just to even start to try competive sports again. In Morrisons case IF the ACL is severed in two he will be lucky to ever play again. This makes Mays knee look like a skined finger or somthing . Its NO comparison at all in those two seregys.Thats why im saying my prayers are going out to Morrison because him being dibetic makes this very serious. Type 1 diabetics offten lose legs to lesser seregys.

[Mustachio]

too depressed to talk.... ill be back once the season starts. if you need me. pm me.

[dvdbumpus]

guys,

the seasons' not over. It's not even started!

Walter had an awesome game and we may have found our new PF. All of our starters are healthy with the potential to be a very very solid starting core. We still have depth.

Ray/Jeff/DA
J-rich/Matt/DA
Crash/DA/Dudley/Matt/Walter
Walter/Okafor/Crash/Jermareo/Dudley
Okafor/Primo/Hollins/Jermareo

If nothing else, I'm excited to see how Walter will handle starters minutes for a season, and to see how the rookies will pan out. It's very unfortunate for Adam to be out, but we will now see Dudley - the guy we've all been excited to see because of his all around game and intensity, play more.

Sucks to have Adam down, but we'll pull through as we always do. Go Cats!

[MacZag]

long time lurker, first time posting. Having watched Ammo during his college years and last year as a rookie, I am so sad to have seen this happen :( was really counting on him to turn it on this year and prove his critics wrong. There are many things that will determine his outcome post-operatively. His diabetes will be one, but the extent of the injury, finesse of the surgeon and rehab will all play into the final outcome. Blood glucose (sugar) is monitored throughout the surgical time (before, during, and after). I believe Ammo knows how to care for his diabetes, and this should not be a problem for him. Healing in diabetics can take longer, but if the individual maintains good glucose control, things should go well. Wishing you well, Adam.

[TheBeagle]

too depressed to talk.... ill be back once the season starts. if you need me. pm me.
I'm just about like that, must', and I was never a big Ammo fan, but this is just sickening. I'm just sort of numb right now. I'm just starting to get the impression, pro basketball wasn't meant to be played and/or succeed in Charlotte. I mean how many fucking black clouds hang over this city and its NBA teams? I thought with Shinn out of town, a fresh start would make a difference, but it's gotten worse, most notably with player injuries. I suppose the players can gel and come together, in fact, I think they will, but it doesn't take a pessimist at this point to ask 'who's next?'

I'm with everyone else, my thoughts go to Ammo, and I hope he can recover from this, for his sake. Hopefully, he hasn't played his last game.

Bumpus, I appreciate your optimism, and you make some valid points, but I'm still to sick to even think about looking ahead to this season. Hopefully no one else will get injured between now and opening night, so I can at least be somewhat excited about being there next Friday. Maybe in a couple days the fire will be back, but right now, I got nothing :(

[davcbow]

This team has to stop drafting injury prone players, like May. We need to stop trading for injury prone players like Harrington. I dont know Adams injury history but he has a big one now and I pray he fully recovers. I dont know Dudleys injury history either. I wish we had a team full of GW's and WH's along with Oka4.
Im actually dreading this season now and accept that we more than likely wont be a playoff team now. Who's coming up in next seasons draft? I pray for the #1 pick.... :g:

[MacZag]

I don't think Ammo is injury prone....he didn't have any majors in college, and did sit out a few games last year, but honestly, you can tear an ACL very easily.....

[TheBeagle]

long time lurker, first time posting. Having watched Ammo during his college years and last year as a rookie, I am so sad to have seen this happen :( was really counting on him to turn it on this year and prove his critics wrong. There are many things that will determine his outcome post-operatively. His diabetes will be one, but the extent of the injury, finesse of the surgeon and rehab will all play into the final outcome. Blood glucose (sugar) is monitored throughout the surgical time (before, during, and after). I believe Ammo knows how to care for his diabetes, and this should not be a problem for him. Healing in diabetics can take longer, but if the individual maintains good glucose control, things should go well. Wishing you well, Adam.
Thanks for posting, Mac, though I wish it were under better circumstances. Glad to have you aboard!!

[WarioVsMooChicken]

Well... Now that we have 2 players out for the season, do you think the NBA will allow the Bobcats a roster space?

[Alex]

I'm still shocked by this. I was looking forward so much to seeing Morrison out there this year improving and showing that he truly can be a very good player in the NBA except I'm gonna have to see him in a suit on the sideline all season long. Terrible.

[Fromage]

nothing could be more depressing for me. he was going to prove the doubters wrong this year, and be a big part of our success. not only will i miss seeing him grow, i think this hurts us. those idiots at the observer don't know a damn thing.

this sucks. not to mention the fact that anyone who has seen a preseason game knows we look like shit. ammo was one of the FEW bright spots so far.

completely sick about this.

[ohara831]

Mustachio:

Hey, we are your Bobcat "brothers in arms" over here. I know this sucks, but you have to nang in there withe the rest of us. Keep your thoughts positive the best you can. It's alwsys darkest before the dawn. The team may have some surprises in store for us. Some of the young guys may step it up a notch or two. Keep cheering hard for them and keep your comments coming. You have a good strong insight into the game and we don't need to lose Mustachio the way we are going to miss Adam and May. Hang in there pal! Keep your insightful posts coming.

[dav7z]

Its a new day . We can pray for Ammo to get better but Ammo would want this team to get better and go to the playoffs. I know this is a major blow to the team but Ammos injery might wake these guys up and they start playing inspired basketball. On paper we still got sone nice pieces.
If we give up as fans befor the season even starts . What do you think the players do. Its time to gel toghter fans and players a like to turn this thing around. I still belive the Bobcats can become a play off team . Players and fans working toghter can get through this thing and turn this all around.
Morrison is probely saying all right its time to start playing some real ball. We have screwed around long enough now.If we can just take some of his passion on the floor. We still got a good chance to get to the playoffs.

[ohara831]

Its a new day . We can pray for Ammo to get better but Ammo would want this team to get better and go to the playoffs. I know this is a major blow to the team but Ammos injery might wake these guys up and they start playing inspired basketball. On paper we still got sone nice pieces.
If we give up as fans befor the season even starts . What do you think the players do. Its time to gel toghter fans and players a like to turn this thing around. I still belive the Bobcats can become a play off team . Players and fans working toghter can get through this thing and turn this all around.
Morrison is probely saying all right its time to start playing some real ball. We have screwed around long enough now.If we can just take some of his passion on the floor. We still got a good chance to get to the playoffs.

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That's the attitude Dav7z! That's the kind of positive thinking we need at a time like this! I would like to see some of our other fellow BobcatsPlanet guys step up to the plate big time. Let's get some positive vibes flowing through these Threads!!

[Bradleiu]

i just found out. Im sickened a prized draft pick and his gone for the season. Now I know how Portland fans felt

[Muttley]

Brothers and Sisters all is not lost. When the NBA gods close a door, they surely open a window.

Not sure what that's gonna be.

MacZag, welcome.

On the surgery issue, my ladyfriend had her second ACL surgery back in May. The first time was a cadaver tendon replacement two years ago (sounds zombie-esque to me). She was back running in less than a year. This last time, in May, they used the patella tendon to replace her ACL. She was running (well, at least jogging) after 4 months.
Now, Adam's a professional athlete. He's gonna get a top-tier surgeon, and superior physical therapy. The organization that pays his salary will no doubt ensure that he is doing all the things that he needs to do to rehab his knee. My only question was how his Diabetes would affect everything, but thanks to you guys for answering my questions. I think we'll see Adam Morrison rock Bobcats Arena in the future. Not this season, but probably next season.

[MacZag]

I believe that Ammo playing at the level he is at (NBA) and the fact that he was diagnosed in junior high, leads me to believe that he has got to have somewhat tight control of his glucose. He has been living with the disease for quite a while and most likely knows his body very well. If he maintains good glucose control, has a great surgeon, follows the rehab process appropriately (doesn't try to push too much before it is time)-I feel he will do great. The diabetes will be a problem if blood sugars are too high and the tissue being healed has to compete with the glucose molecules. I have faith in him, he is driven........

[dav7z]

MacZAG Welcone to the messegeboard. As bad of a knee seregy this is healing and sugar levels after seregy is just as important. His feet and legs should be checked daily for infections or sores starting to form . In addition to the pain being careful about infection is just as important.
Now if hes lucky he has a partical tare of his ACL becaue it can just be repaired a lot easier. If it is a compleat or Severed ACL tare .It can;t just be repaired the ACL has to be replaced useually coming from the petella tendon or a cadiver. It has to be attached to the upper and lower part of the leg . It straches like a big rubber band and controls satability of the uper and lower part of the leg. Even with seregy it's hard to get the ligiment as tight as it was befor seregy. Thair fore the leg wobbles and never has the stability it hade befor the tare. Body weight plays a part all so as to how quick the ACL heals. With the best doctors and close watch on his legs and sugar levels.A little luck and very very hard work he may be able to come back next year.

[King Taharqa]

I was looking forward to seeing Ammo bounce back this season. Get well Morrison and come back even better in 08-09.

[ReesieNCPantherCatfan1]

Too bad, I was hoping to see ammo average 17-20 ppg, and be the bobcats "microwave" a la Vinnie Johnson. One thing about ammo is his work ethic. You won't have to worry about him balooning up like May, and I am sure he will do everything in his power to come back. My thoughts and prayers are with him. I was hoping for about 45 wins and a 6 seed in the east, now I am hoping for an 8th seed, and a stud in the early-middle of the draft, maybe Hansbrough as a PF moving mek to the middle? I know the carolina haters will enjoy that thought :)

[timang]

this is probably the saddest, downright depressing news that i have ever, ever seen and felt as a fan. it's just... i can't even think of a rational thing to say. gotta root for him getting well soon. :cry: :(

[dav7z]

It's going to take three weeks just to get the sweeling down be for seregy because of infection factor. WOW His knee must look like three times it's normal size. Damn they going to have to be careful about all that fluid build up to because of infection. Drawing fluid off with a needle is dangerous to. WOW Between a rock and a hard place.



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