Preseason: Charlotte Bobcats Vs New Orleans Hornets

[WarioVsMooChicken]

No one made a thread, so here's one :running:

Lets get some people in the chat room!

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Thanks WvsMC,

I was late getting home from work and didn't get a chance to make the thread

[WarioVsMooChicken]

...For some reason we're playing with 2 PGs at the same time V_V

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please... not the 2 point guard lineup. Is Bernie running the show again???

[Wallace15]

Wow, we're putting together a real solid game so far. 8)

[Wallace15]

40 points in the 3rd quarter :o. Very nice.

[davcbow]

111-100 we lost again.... :mad:

[Wallace15]

Damnit, we follow up a 40 point 3rd quarter with a 14 point 4th quarter. ???

[davcbow]

It was because Vincent played the backups in the 4th and lost the lead then the starters came back in and they were cold as ice.... :mad:

[dvdbumpus]

Well, at least we've seen what the team can play at when they're at full capacity. Now THAT's a good game by Felton. I could have handled more assists, but a very productive game with a high FG % nonetheless.

Most of the team looked very well from the little I saw. Davidson shot and rebounded pretty well; Dudley did his part and was very useful in his time on the court. WTF with Herrmann only playing 2 minutes? Did I miss an injury?

Mcinnis, while decently distributing, should never be on the court 25+ minutes....then there's Primoz - I hope he's just rusty because his court time was just blah.

[qchoops]

http://www.queencityhoops.com/GameRecap102607.php - my usual stuff - nerdy rundown of the game.

[Alex]

It was because Vincent played the backups in the 4th and lost the lead then the starters came back in and they were cold as ice.... :mad:



Well it's the pre-season, this is a game we would of won in the regular season.

We've had some amazing 3rd quarters in this pre-season which means that Vincent is good at getting to them at HT about what they need to do.

[TheBeagle]

It was because Vincent played the backups in the 4th and lost the lead then the starters came back in and they were cold as ice.... :mad:



Well it's the pre-season, this is a game we would of won in the regular season.

We've had some amazing 3rd quarters in this pre-season which means that Vincent is good at getting to them at HT about what they need to do.
Absolutely. Good call, Alex, on both counts!

[TheBeagle]

Feels strange that the game took place in my backyard (relatively speaking) and I didn't go to it. What with work, the fact it's a preseason game, it was a Chris Paul homecoming game, and I have to get ready for next Friday's "real" game, I just wasn't feeling it. Hope the turnout by the 'Cats faithful was decent, and not totally outnumbered by Paul friends/family/fans from his West Forsyth and WFU days.

Speaking about the conflicting interests of the game tonight, here's a really good article by John Delong of the Winston Salem Journal; I wish the Journal wouldn't be so cheap, and let John "beatwrite" the Bobcats, as he did when the Hornets were in town. He's what a sportswriter should be; fair, but not afraid to raise questions; professional without being overly criticizing; and is, at heart, a true sports fan, as opposed to the jaded writings of others (Re: Bonnell usually), and I'm not just saying that because I trade emails with him fairly regularly during the season. Anyway, here she goes.........

http://www.journalnow.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=WSJ%2FMGArticle%2FWSJ_Columnist Article&c=MGArticle&cid=1173353258176&path=!sports!delong!&s=1037645509226

[davcbow]

That was a good read.... :g:

[spectre]

That was a good read.... :g:


Second that!!!


“We have not figured that out yet,” Vincent said. “This preseason has been about identification and evaluation of different guys in different roles. We’re going to finish up the game against New Orleans and from there we’re going to get back and crunch it out and figure out what it takes for this team to win games.”

There’s another reality that Vincent is just starting to grasp. Management doesn’t always deliver when the coach asks for help. Vincent has publicly begged his bosses to acquire another big man for depth, with Othella Harrington also injured and others still too green. All he really wants is a proven veteran such as once-available Marc Jackson, somebody to plug into the role Jake Voskuhl played last season. But management hasn’t moved, and Jackson has gone elsewhere. So Vincent has had to waste time on what is being referred to as The Ryan Hollins Experiment, which was ill-fated from the start, and now he must wait until Primo Brezac gets into shape and (maybe) fits into this offense.

Management has dropped the ball bigtime. It's ludicrous to put all your hopes on Primoz...someone who's always had major flaws in his game.


Vincent said that such realities, particularly the injuries, aren’t fazing him.

“I think I’m dealing with it fine,” he said. “Obviously, it creates a little more work because you’ve got to refigure things that you thought were going to work that are not going to work now, and you come up with different game plans. That’s a big part of professional sports. We still have some very good personnel on this team and guys have worked very hard to get to this point, so we’ll reshape it in different ways and still figure out how to be solid on the floor.”

This is telling me that he's used the preseason for experimentation, and not a basis for substitution patterns or strategies. I think those will make more sense once we get into the games that count.

Nothing on why V hates Argentineans tho.

[spectre]

http://www.queencityhoops.com/GameRecap102607.php - my usual stuff - nerdy rundown of the game.


Good as always Brett.

How much did Paul's last 6 minutes where (I assume) he was matched up against Touche' in our wonderful 2 guard offense skew that? Paul racked up 7 assists in that stretch; only had 6 up til that point with 4 TOs.

Up thru the 3rd quarter (again going by the boxscore) Felton was around 20 pts on 70% plus shooting, 5 assists and 1 TO vs. Pauls (give or take) 10 pts on 50% shooting, 6 assists and 4 TOs.

[davcbow]

I think that they were hoping playoffs this season with this team and saving the money thats left for next season. Since the injuries to May and to Morrison, the ownership just wants to just make do because no one would want to trade for injured players or trade away the healthy players that we have left. Not to say if things get real bad then they may do something but I really dont see it. I do see them picking up a 16th player if another season ending injury occurs. I think we are what we are this season.... :g:

[qchoops]

While McInnis and Paul were both in the game, the Bobcats got drilled 24-5. I can't say for sure who was guarding Paul, since all my numbers are generated from the play-by-play. Overall, for the game, McInnis was at -9, 50-59, with the team scoring 1.02 points per possession and surrendering 1.26 ppp to New Orleans.

[qchoops]

And the two point guard offense was not a good thing last night, despite Rick Bonnell's observations on it - http://www.charlotte.com/sports/story/336352.html. The two point guard lineup of Ray and McInnis lost 36-30, with an offensive efficiency of 0.97 points per possession and a defensive efficiency of 1.20 ppp. When it was Ray on the court without McInnis, Bobcats win 50-49, and are at 1.35ppp on O and 1.19 on D.
(All of those defensive numbers are terrible, but I guess as long as you are outscoring them...)

[spectre]

Thanks Brett.

Regardless of who was on Paul, there's no doubt that by playing these 2 guards we add another defensive weakness to the lineup. If Touche' was on Paul then he gets free and see the entire court better; if he's on the SG that guy gets open easier for the pass.

We know JRich is at best average. When we introduce Touche' we have 2 of the 3 guards being poor at defense which creates a disadvantage for us, and everyone has to work harder to contain the offense. Add in a great PG like Paul and that pretty much spells doom.

Hopefully we won't see that very much. Heck, I just as soon not see Touche' very much at all.

[Keetch]

Dear Sam:

Here are your instructions for November Bobcats basketball.

Don't experiment anymore. Let's try to win k?

Go ahead and start Hermann, he's a veteran and he's pretty good at all facets of the game. Can't lose with Fabio.

Scrap the 2 point guard thing (who's idea was that, was it Mokeski?). Cut back McInnis' minutes and give DA some playing time. Again...quality leadership.

If you don't mix in Davidson, Dudley and Hollins, we will fire you. These guys are powerful talents that give us an exciting future; but only if they get a little playing time to develop.

For every time you start Brezac, we will fine you $10,000 and suspend you for 2 games.

Who is teaching our bigs to box out, Phil Ford? Sam; Mokeski is our bigs coach, Phil the smalls. If you forget, please ask Lee Rose; that's why we hired him.

We are watching. See you in December.

Keetch

[WarioVsMooChicken]

Couldn't have said it any better

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Dear Sam:

Here are your instructions for November Bobcats basketball.

Don't experiment anymore. Let's try to win k?

Go ahead and start Hermann, he's a veteran and he's pretty good at all facets of the game. Can't lose with Fabio.

Scrap the 2 point guard thing (who's idea was that, was it Mokeski?). Cut back McInnis' minutes and give DA some playing time. Again...quality leadership.

If you don't mix in Davidson, Dudley and Hollins, we will fire you. These guys are powerful talents that give us an exciting future; but only if they get a little playing time to develop.

For every time you start Brezac, we will fine you $10,000 and suspend you for 2 games.

Who is teaching our bigs to box out, Phil Ford? Sam; Mokeski is our bigs coach, Phil the smalls. If you forget, please ask Lee Rose; that's why we hired him.

We are watching. See you in December.

Keetch

Keetch for GM !!! :) +1

[Keetch]

lol ty ty :D I enjoyed that. Got some frustration out it did....

[davcbow]

Thats what Im talking about. Thats what Ive been upset about, Vincent is throwing out the weardest lineups that dont make sence almost like he dont want to win the games. Im not the brightest B Ball mind but I know when players are hot you NEVER take them out of the game until they arent hot no more. Dudley came in in the 3rd and we scored a 40 point quarter and then pulls them in the 4th fills the line up with the scrubs and we lose the lead, once we lose the lead in a tail spin he puts the starters back in and they were stone cold. Keep that crap up and Im going to turn into your worst crittic. Bickerstaff wouldnt have done something like that.... :g: