Primoz Brezec -vs- Ryan Hollins

[ziggy]

Game 1:

Primoz - 20 minutes, 2 points, 2 rebounds, 1 block, 3 fouls
Ryan - 7 minutes, 2 points, 2 rebounds, 0 fouls

Statistically neither one was much to brag about. What were your impressions of these two guys last night?

[chabber]

I thought Ryan did well in the few minutes he played and I loved his animation on the court. After he'd grab a rebound he crouched and gripped the ball. I couldn't see his face but I imagine it was histarical. Also he looked like he couldn't believe himself after he made his first basket.


I was expecting Brezec to play more like he did the year before instead of last year but I guess I was wrong.

[ohara831]

I ws going to lose it when Primoz is shooting long range jumpers late in the 4th. He is killing me. Hollins just doesn't seem strong to me at all. I would much rather them try Oak at the 5 and Jermareo at the 4, or even reverse them if need be. Let Jermareo play a small but athletic 5, with Primoz and Hollins to back him up by committee. But please, watching Hollins stumbling over his own feet down low, and Primoz thinking he is J-Rich with the jumpers. Ouch!
That and the FT % was horrible. But I thought our big 4 from the starting 5 were awesome. Best game I've seen from Ray in total as a Bobcat. J-Rich came to life in the 4th, just when we needed him and for the reason we brought him here. Oack and Wallace were superb (Except for FT%)
If one of the 3 amigos can just step up their game to compliment Oak up front, we will have a solid starting 2 to compete with anyone.

[ohara831]

My lst sentence should read a solid starting 5, not 2.

[Muttley]

If one of the 3 amigos can just step up their game to compliment Oak up front, we will have a solid starting 2 to compete with anyone.

That's hilarious. You're referring to Hollins, Davidson and Brezec, I presume.

[ALong13]

I was awful pissed that Jermareo Davidson didn't get in at all last night, I really believe he should have, as I think he's better as a rookie than Hollins is, and I think he could do better than Primoz can at Center...

[Dunk]

Primoz blows. We need a good big man.

[Dead_Real]

I was awful pissed that Jermareo Davidson didn't get in at all last night, I really believe he should have, as I think he's better as a rookie than Hollins is, and I think he could do better than Primoz can at Center...

Agreed 100% with this post Davidson needs to get PT.

[Keetch]

Totally agree on Brezac; sort of disagree on Hollins; I don't think he's goofy at all. A little more PT and he's going to be alright. Davidson at the 4 and Mek at the 5 sounds nice, but Jermario needs to get some sleep before game days LOL. He's very young....don't think Mario can play 5 and wouldn't waste Mek at the 4. Very bad idea. Villanueva was pulling him outside and it was hurting us inside with just Brezac in there. Not good. We need Okafor under the basket.

[ohara831]

The 3 Amigos: Jermareo, Brezec and Hollins. Let Jermareo start, the the other 2 back him up. Center by committee until we land a real good big to play with Oak. If we keep Oak at the 4, he dominates.
Keetch, I understand your concern about keeping Oak at the 5, but he produces more at the 4. Waste the 3 Amigos on hack a Shaq; don't let Shaq's size wear down Oak.

[Muttley]

Game 1:

Primoz - 20 minutes, 2 points, 2 rebounds, 1 block, 3 fouls
Ryan - 7 minutes, 2 points, 2 rebounds, 0 fouls

Statistically neither one was much to brag about. What were your impressions of these two guys last night?




Really liked Ryan better than Primoz, without a doubt. Look at the similar lines, and then compare the minutes. Of the two, Ryan seemed to want it more and to really value the fact that he's out on the court. Meanwhile, Primoz's taking and missing jumpers in the waning minutes of the 4th quarter when things were getting close, and Jermareo's riding the pine (though if he's running on no sleep, for whatever reason, he's best sitting anyway).

[DaFlameking]

next game, split them up with minutes.

20 brezec
14 hollins
14 davidson

[dav7z]

Im going to disagree with all you guys about Primoz v/s Hollins last night . Hollins is so weak he gets pushed around big time . He didn't set not one solid screan. Primoz at lest held his position a little and set some nice screans for Felton in the 1st half helping Felton to a 12 assist night 10 in the first half . Primoz was key to some of that.
Agreed Primoz sucks but Hollins is not the answer til he gets a lot stronger. I would like to see Dudley seting some picks and playing with the starters as i think he could hit the pop as good as May does. All so Davidson should get burn too as he can't be any worse than Hollins. But i hear hes weak and gets pushed around too. Im afraid Rebounding and this position will be a problem. Wallace is a stronger four than any one we got . Thats why i keep going back to Dudley and Herrmann starting and giving the other big mins off the beanch.

[Wallace15]

I don't think Hollins looks goofy on the court. He looks lost sometimes, but at least when I see him play it actually looks like he's trying his hardest. We have Primoz out there taking shots in the 4th that he cleary shouldn't be taking, and Primoz himself probably knows he shouldn't be taking them. Plus Primoz is 7'1 and only got 2 rebounds in 20 minutes? I know we have Oak and G-Force out there grabbing a lot of boards but I mean come on. Someone that tall should be able to grab more than 2rbs in 20 minutes.
If we continue to start Primoz then that's fine. I just think that with all the potential Hollins and Davidson have that we should at least split the minutes somewhat equally between the 3. Hollins and Davidson should get at the least 10 minutes a game. If we want them to improve we gotta give them PT.

[dav7z]

You have to agree none of those guys is the answer right now. Only thing Primoz does better is hold position and sets screans better . But he still sucks.
Dudley and Herrmann personally i think are better choices than either of those three.
But i all so think Davidson should get some burn .

[Alex]

Hollins actually made it known that he was out there last night because he got some impressive boards while Primoz triggered my sister to make the following comment "that guy reminds me of Big Bird"

I think that says it all really.

[davcbow]

I think they both are going to get better and I see the experiment maybe taking over the starting position but that depends on how Primoz progresses.... :g:

[Wallace15]

Next game against the Heat I think we should start Hermann. I know that would put Oak on Shaq and he might get in some foul trouble early. But I would like the match-up between Hermann and Haslem. Hermann can pull Haslem away from the basket, and open lanes for G-Force and JRich to cut through to the basket. Felton could find them for easy scores, and with Shaq having to come over against a driving Wallace or Richardson it might put Shaq in foul trouble trying to defend it.
I also agree that Dudley should definitely be getting more minutes. He could be a solid contributer with more PT.

[davcbow]

We could play them in a simular mannor we did in GSO during preseason only difference is AMMO isnt playing. Then again Dudley wasnt playing that night. That was even with Hollins starting at center and we won that. Shaq fouled out last night after 28 minutes against Foster. I think Shaq should retire after this season, I noticed in GSO he was slow going up the floor that night, maybe we can get him to foul out in our game too... :g:

[dav7z]

Next game against the Heat I think we should start Hermann. I know that would put Oak on Shaq and he might get in some foul trouble early. But I would like the match-up between Hermann and Haslem. Hermann can pull Haslem away from the basket, and open lanes for G-Force and JRich to cut through to the basket. Felton could find them for easy scores, and with Shaq having to come over against a driving Wallace or Richardson it might put Shaq in foul trouble trying to defend it.
I also agree that Dudley should definitely be getting more minutes. He could be a solid contributer with more PT.



Match ups that might be the best way to go . As i think you would be right about pulling Haslem away from the basket. Herrmann blocks out ok so i don't think he gets to many put backs. Little sceaerd about Ok guarding Shaq eary because foul truble. If Primoz could just hack like old Jake did .
I like the idea of keeping OK fresh til the fourth. Without foul truble. Just a thought,
We win at four positions tonight . We should go two and zero.

Its like Shaq and Ricky Davis, Haslem ,
playing, Felton , Rich, Wallace, OK50.

We should win this by 12 if we hit free throughs. Even though the game is away.

[OBXcat]

honestly i think primoz is one of the worst starters in the NBA yeah he is on my favorite team and i kno i am suppose to like him but we need to get rid of him and play someone else.

[dvdbumpus]

Why again did we not try to get Esteban Batista? He's not playing anywhere....

[davcbow]

Hello Cory welcome to Bobcatsplanet and we all agree we need a better big, but we are so thin at that position so its Primoz or Hollins. Hollins isnt quite ready yet and Primoz hasnt got his legs yet due to missing most the preseason. Everybody else is on the injured list, so if we get anyone else we would have to trade somebody and lose a draft pick. Its early yet so I think Primoz will get better at least I hope he does. I truley think Hollins will take that position over before the end of the season unless we do a trade..... :g:

[davcbow]

Why again did we not try to get Esteban Batista? He's not playing anywhere....


Because we already have 15 garanteed contracts and Harrington wont retire; so what do you do? Play what we have..... :g:

[dav7z]

Break Haringtons other Knee and point him tword the nursing home. Then sign Basista. Big differace from satrting to no job at all. Just think thats what he got when he turned us down, WOW when we offered ham a contract.

[Wallace15]

At least Batista would actually be somewhat helpful to the team. Harrington doesn't contribute in any way at all. Whatever type of minutes Harrington gets when he returns, Batista would be a lot more effective in those minutes.

[ohara831]

With Harringon being so stubborn and insisting he is coming back, I hope to God he really is ready and plays to his full potential, as limited as that may be. If he doesn't, and he costs us the ability to add a 16th player under Contract such as Batista, he will endure the full wrath of BobcatsPlanet hell!!! We will reign down the fury of Slam, Dav7z, Wallace15 and all the other immortal bloggers of the Bobcats world and make him wimper to be back inside his mommy's womb! And, we take no prisoners as we WILL EAT OUR OWN!!!!!

That felt good to get that out. have a nice day!

[spectre]

Boston cut Batista and they're in dire need of a big. We have 2 project bigs already (and I'm so sure he's even better defensively than they are) and we don't need another...esp. one that 2 teams have already given up on.

Here's an idea: Sac is saying they'll probably trade SAR for an expiring...we could do Harrington for SAR straight up.

[ohara831]

Boston cut Batista and they're in dire need of a big. We have 2 project bigs already (and I'm so sure he's even better defensively than they are) and we don't need another...esp. one that 2 teams have already given up on.

Here's an idea: Sac is saying they'll probably trade SAR for an expiring...we could do Harrington for SAR straight up.
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SAR just had clean up knee surgery in June, but his career numbers are 18.2 pts and 7.5 reb per game. Salary is $5.8 mil Those are pretty big numbers to throw back Othello only. You would likely have to make it a 2-1 swap by adding someone with Othello or Othello and a pick. Not sure if we want to do that. But if healthy, he is a solid PF to play alongside Oak.

[spectre]

Boston cut Batista and they're in dire need of a big.  We have 2 project bigs already (and I'm so sure he's even better defensively than they are) and we don't need another...esp. one that 2 teams have already given up on.

Here's an idea:  Sac is saying they'll probably trade SAR for an expiring...we could do Harrington for SAR straight up.
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SAR just had clean up knee surgery in June, but his career numbers are 18.2 pts and 7.5 reb per game.  Salary is $5.8 mil Those are pretty big numbers to throw back Othello only.  You would likely have to make it a 2-1 swap by adding someone with Othello or Othello and a pick.  Not sure if we want to do that.  But if healthy, he is a solid PF to play alongside Oak.


Not if the difference in th cap and our actual salary is roughly 3 million, which I think it is.  But if it isn't...how about Harrington/Primoz for SAR/Douby?

I'd LOVE to do a 2 for 1 swap, but I doubt Sac would want to take on the extra salary. A pick has no monetary value in trades (and no way would I include a 1st to get SAR anyway).

[ohara831]

Boston cut Batista and they're in dire need of a big. We have 2 project bigs already (and I'm so sure he's even better defensively than they are) and we don't need another...esp. one that 2 teams have already given up on.

Here's an idea: Sac is saying they'll probably trade SAR for an expiring...we could do Harrington for SAR straight up.
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SAR just had clean up knee surgery in June, but his career numbers are 18.2 pts and 7.5 reb per game. Salary is $5.8 mil Those are pretty big numbers to throw back Othello only. You would likely have to make it a 2-1 swap by adding someone with Othello or Othello and a pick. Not sure if we want to do that. But if healthy, he is a solid PF to play alongside Oak.


Not if the difference in th cap and our actual salary is roughly 3 million, which I think it is. But if it isn't...how about Harrington/Primoz for SAR/Douby?

I'd LOVE to do a 2 for 1 swap, but I doubt Sac would want to take on the extra salary. A pick has no monetary value in trades (and no way would I include a 1st to get SAR anyway).
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I would do the 2 for 2 swap you mentioned. I think Sac would be foolish to do it. but they may if they have plans to dump alot of salary to go after a FA next year.

[ziggy]

I was looking at this statistically yesterday (http://www.bobcatsplanet.com/joomla/content/view/239/136/) and our starting center Primoz is currently 12th out 12 on our active roster in scoring at 1.6ppg and 12th out of 12 on our active roster in rebounding at 1.8rpg.
12th out of 12 in both categories!!!

[tamburello]

Esteban Batista is currently playing for Israeli team Maccabi Tel Aviv. There is no chance that we can sign him.

Your trade proposals seem to me very unlikely. There is absolutely no reason for them to do this. They won't be willing to trade Douby, nor they wouldn't give away Abdur Rahim for our ridiculous Harrington-Brezec duo.

Brezec averages 1.6 points by taking 2.6 shots per game, I'm not defending his 30% FG pct, but he's the best we can put on the floor as the starting center. Like it or not... Hollins has actually no body control and easily get into foul trouble every time, since he's still very raw and inexperienced.

Whatever....

[ohara831]

I was looking at this statistically yesterday (http://www.bobcatsplanet.com/joomla/content/view/239/136/) and our starting center Primoz is currently 12th out 12 on our active roster in scoring at 1.6ppg and 12th out of 12 on our active roster in rebounding at 1.8rpg.
12th out of 12 in both categories!!!
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My God. I know he was bad, but did not realize he was actually THAT BAD!! Can someone with knowledge tell me when this guy's contract expires? Is it soon?

[spectre]

Esteban Batista is currently playing for Israeli team Maccabi Tel Aviv. There is no chance that we can sign him.

Your trade proposals seem to me very unlikely. There is absolutely no reason for them to do this. They won't be willing to trade Douby, nor they wouldn't give away Abdur Rahim for our ridiculous Harrington-Brezec duo.

Brezec averages 1.6 points by taking 2.6 shots per game, I'm not defending his 30% FG pct, but he's the best we can put on the floor as the starting center. Like it or not... Hollins has actually no body control and easily get into foul trouble every time, since he's still very raw and inexperienced.

Whatever....


They might be unlikely, but it was rumored that SAC was looking for an expiring in a SAR trade...main reason being to cut money/years.  In the package I proposed they do that AND cut some cash for this season as well.  Next year SAC is almost at the luxury threshold yet will only have 10 players under contract.

I'd do it regardless of Douby, but so far he's been somewhat of a disappointment and it's possible they would bite.  Gaining an extra spot would be about as good.

Since Primoz has absolutely sucked we'd be better off with NO center IMO.  He spazzes every time a pass is thrown to him and he can't defend.  His attempts at screening are pretty laughable...he'll always try to follow the guard (and it's definitely "follow", usually about 3 ft back) and always leaves his guy free.

It seems to me that he hurts us way more than he helps.


My God. I know he was bad, but did not realize he was actually THAT BAD!! Can someone with knowledge tell me when this guy's contract expires? Is it soon?

Only on the books for this season.

[ohara831]

Spectre: Thank you for that bit of good news. The guy is lousy and takes up a valuable position slot. I am hopeful thatwe plan to dump a lot of excess baggage this off season.

I honestly feel that we have a solid core, and with our youth and drastic need for a Center or another PF to play alongside Okafor, that the Bobcats are actually a pretty attractive team for a potential free agent. A FA would know that he would have a solid group of starters with him and the team can win. The only drawback is "Will management spend the money"? That's the million $ question this off season.

[Dunk]

Is there anyone worthwhile out there next year assuming Hollins or Davidson won't be the answer? And we'll spend the $?

[Keetch]

I've been saying since whenever (always) that Brezac barely deserves to be our 12th man. On many other teams he'd been waived long ago. My only wonder is how long will it take the Bobcats to final give it up.

I have no problem with either Hollins or Dudley starting. I still think Hollins is a diamond in the rough. Even if he struggles I enjoy watching him play. Brezac? Uh no.

[ziggy]

In tonights game against the Rockets, Primoz and Ryan both played 14 minutes.
In Primoz' 14 minutes he got 2 points, 1 rebound, 0 blocks, 0 steals.
In Ryan's 14 minutes he got 7 points, 5 rebounds, 1 block, 1 steal.

I'm not trying to claim that Ryan is a superstar, but he is clearly outperforming Primoz on the court and should get the bulk of the minutes at the center position.

[MattD]

HOLLINS all the way... I am so tired of primoz, he cannot bang at all at least ryan can a little, and he works hard is always fighting for the rebounds and putbacks and is so quick. He also needs experience, with that he will develop into an even better player along with his work ethic he can become a legit starter for the bobcats who deserves it in a year or two. Get him in now surround him with oak and maybe walter (what has happened to him btw) and lets see what happens, he certainly looked good tonight

also jamareo davidson needs more playing time, hes really good on the block with the turn around shot, we need to exploit more options... seriously

[ALong13]

Hollins look good tonight, sure not superstar stats or anything like that, but did you see the attitude that he brought after he didn't get that dunk? I thought he did pretty good for not playing too much as of late...

[timang]

hollins got more fire. we need energy boosters than someone to boo on-court. :P

[ohara831]

I agree with Hollins over Primoz. I still think we need to play Jermareo more. He may not have enough weight on him, but his play is actually better than either Primoz or Hollins, most of the time, IMHO.

[Dunk]

Is Varajeo still available? I'm just throwing it out there.

[ohara831]

Is Varajeo still available? I'm just throwing it out there.
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Still available. But with 15 under Contract, we cannot do anything unless we bought out a Contract of one of our current 15. That, or Othello's knee knocks him out of playing and the NBA gives us the right to add a 16th. I'm sure we've tried that and Othello is being a jackass.

[JSS]

Hollins at least plays with energy and effort unlike Primoz. He doesn't have the muscle mass necessary to not tip over when Shaq breathes hard (if he has then problem, but at least he will try to get up and get a block or a dunk. Jeremeo has looked good, especially in the pre-season, and his 7'3" wingspan is great, but multiply Hollins's physical presence problems by two for him as he stands now. I don't know how he could be expected to play the 5 with NBA centers with his current body.

[twebb]

Hollinsd be a beast if he spent more time at wendys and in the wieght room. We need 20 more pounds

[davcbow]

Hollins looked his best so far last night. Maybe we should start him in a game and see what happens.... :g:

[Keetch]

Have you guys actually seen Hollins up close lately? He's not that light at all and he's very strong. If he put on more weight it would be at great risk to his athleticism. He's exactly right where he needs to be. Good God not Wendy's!

Really the reviews on ESPN (Hollinger *cough*) and other places that mention his thinness and lack of strength are either out-of-date or out-of-touch. The guys in GREAT basketball shape. He just needs to develop his skills at this point, not his body.

[twebb]

Have you guys actually seen Hollins up close lately? He's not that light at all and he's very strong. If he put on more weight it would be at great risk to his athleticism. He's exactly right where he needs to be. Good God not Wendy's!


your right he should probably hit up the bojangles. Jermareo too!

[qchoops]

Very impressive effort against Houston and I can only hope that he continues to chip into Primoz's minutes. It is in everyone's (except Primoz and his agent's) best interest. For gaining weight quickly and cheaply, how about some Taco Bell? (not that i am endorsing Ryan going on the May diet plan, but I figured I would give a shot out to my favorite quick eats).

[twebb]

how about some Taco Bell? (not that i am endorsing Ryan going on the May diet plan, but I figured I would give a shot out to my favorite quick eats).


I think I just changed my vote to Taco Bell. Maybe the dairy queen after six or seven tacos?

[dav7z]

Hollins looked good against the Rockets . Hes still not ready to start but i would like to see him geting two or three more mins of Primozs burn and about three mins of Mcinnis time average about 20 per for now while hes learning the game.
I would stay away from that small line up a little more as i think Dudley, Hollins , Davidson , all should get more burn , Mcinnis should only back up Felton.

Your thoughts :g:

[Keetch]

My thoughts....

Taco Bell definitely.

No Primoz minutes at all; none. I don't care if Mokeski starts at Center. Ok maybe not Mokeski...

[DaFlameking]

after the first 4 games, ive noticed the only thing primoz is consistent in is that he is avging a flat 2.00 points per game. lol.

[dvdbumpus]

When your starting center has as many turnovers as points, you know that's not good. What a bum. Can we just get one of these at center?

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[davcbow]

Yeah that was cool Bumpus....Never would have thought they fought like that... :biggrin:

I Like this style better!

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Too bad we can do this in Basketball..... :biggrin:

[JSS]

I think you have to start Hollins at center. I don't think anyone would claim that Primoz is any of the following: quick, athletic, energetic, enthusiatic, skillful. He is the equivalent of putting a seven-foot, rotting, immobile tree stump six feet outside the post. He is just an obstacle and not even a good one. I was not necessarily claiming that Hollins is weak, but I just think that to be able to be as physical (and take up as much space) as the Bobcats really need him to be in the post, he could be a little bigger and stronger. I don't want him to get fat so that he cannot get up and down the court as fast as he can now or cannot be as quick as he is now. I still want him to be quick and athletic enough to out jump opponents, chase down rebounds, and make quick moves. He is athletic, fast, emotional, and seems to play his heart out. I think he is getting there in terms of skills, but is not quite there yet.

Because there is no way to pick up a veteran center without buying out a contract, unless the Bobcats can find a willing trading partner (I thought that Francisco Elson of the Spurs sounded like a good target idea), I think you have to start Hollins and let him work on getting better through experience. The idea of Hollins energizing the Bobcats coming off the bench is a good one, but the Bobcats is a more athletic, talented, and aggressive team with Hollins on the court, not even to mention a faster playing team, which is the new offense that Vincent wanted to run.

Then, Vincent should sometimes move Okafor over to the 5 and bring in Jermareo Davidson at the 4 because I have liked what I have seen from him and he needs to be given a chance to get minutes in order to develop.

[Dunk]

Is Varajeo still available? I'm just throwing it out there.
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Still available. But with 15 under Contract, we cannot do anything unless we bought out a Contract of one of our current 15. That, or Othello's knee knocks him out of playing and the NBA gives us the right to add a 16th. I'm sure we've tried that and Othello is being a jackass.


Thanks. Really, we're kinda screwed more based around league rules (not to mention if managed would spend the money to bring someone in). In a way, it is showing where our weakness is and that the other big question this year -- can Felton handle the point -- is being answered right now.

[Wallace15]

I think we all know that Hollins is out-preforming Primoz. I can understand Coach V starting Primoz so that Hollins can't pick up quick fouls early in the game, but Hollins needs the most PT he can get to improve. In my opinion Hollins should get 20-25 minutes a game, and Primoz shouldn't get anymore than 10.

[Dlpz87]

I think Hollins settled this debate last night...anyone else agree? I mean, my God, at least when he had the cojones to take that mid-range shot (or at least a brief moment of psychosis) he made it! And if he actually figured out that maybe since he was taller than Josh Smith, that just maybe he should shoot over him with an old-school turn and hook shot. I also think he had one or two clean blocks.

I say start the guy. He may be on HGH and prone to congestive heart failures now, but if I have to watch Primoz lug his goofy frame around and insist on taking 20 foot shots with a look of non-stop utter vapidity, I will lose my marbles! :mad:

[twebb]

I just couldnt see Primo doing this:
http://www.nba.com/bobcats/hot_shots_071113.html?curPhoto=10

[davcbow]

Ive been watching both players as of late and Hollins is definately looking much better than Primoz at this point. Primoz is starting to get a grip on things but he sould be backup to Hollins..... :g:

[timang]

I just couldnt see Primo doing this:
http://www.nba.com/bobcats/hot_shots_071113.html?curPhoto=10


nice dunk there.

[WarioVsMooChicken]

Primo will get the first Bobcat triple double... JUST YOU WAIT! :mad:

[qchoops]

The winking guy under your name makes me think you're joking - the angry face makes me think you're not. I'll just say this - unless the NBA changes the rules so that players can pick up 10 fouls, Primoz will never have a triple double in the NBA .

[ziggy]

Our starting center Primoz "I'm a Warrior" Brezec is now shooting 28.6% from the field. :banghead:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/cha/stats

[timang]

Our starting center Primoz "I'm a Warrior" Brezec is now shooting 28.6% from the field. :banghead:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/cha/stats


WTF man. :chairshot:

[champandcub]

Primo had his best game in 2 years against Boston and he still sucked