Charlotte Bobcats at Miami Heat 11/4

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This evening at 6:00pm we face the Miami Heat.

Miami is still without Wade, so we'll be matching up against the less than fearsome lineup of:

Jason "White Chocolate" Williams
Ricky Davis
Dorrell Wrright
Udonis Haslem
and Shaquille Oneal who is getting older, slower and more irrelevant by the millisecond.

Without Wade, the Heat have nothing (and that includes Shaq) that should scare us. I don't see any reason that we shouldn't be 2-0 by the end of the night.

If you want to spy on the Heat's game thread, you can check it out here (http://heat.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/5700037552/m/6010036915)

If you 'd like to join others in our chat room during the game, you can do that right here (http://www.bobcatsplanet.com/joomla/content/view/171/133/).

[dav7z]

Truble in the Heat camp and they know it.
If we concead Shaq will play better than Ok. [I don't think he will] Davis and Williams,Wrright, Haslem CAN'T run with .
Felton , Rich, Wallace, all so Herrmann matches up well in this game. We just let the butter fly Hack on Shaq awhile to start the game. To keep OK out of foul truble.

Bobcats by 12 anyway we are for real.

[tamburello]

I'm now having some off time with an internet connection, so I'd like to contribute to my beloved Bobcats site by creating a "hardwood" game thread just like I did at the later stages of the last season. You can use this pattern for the further games of this month. I don't know how long I'm inavailable, I'm afraid :(

Sidenote: I don't know why but the page cannot show all the pictures on my PC. Maybe the pictures took so much memory.

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AT
http://dsp.imageg.net/graphics/product_images/p1563891reg.jpg

Venue:
American Airlines Arena
http://basketball.ballparks.com/NBA/MiamiHeat/newaerial.jpg

Time: http://www1.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/2688607/2/istockphoto_2688607_wall_clock_at_6_00.jpg

Bobcats(1-0) Line-Up

PG #20 Raymond Felton
http://www.tarheeldaily.com/photos/felton.jpg

SG #23 Jason Richardson
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SF #3 Gerald Wallace
http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/PHO/AAEK005~Gerald-Wallace-Ball-in-both-hands-Photofile-Posters.jpg

PF #50 Emeka Okafor
http://i.cnn.net/si/si_online/covers/images/2004/0412_large.jpg

C #7 Primoz Brezec
http://www.24sec.net/images/lib/Legal%20photos/Slovenia/Primoz%20Brezec%20-%20Slovenia%20(fiba).jpg

Heat(0-2) Line-Up
PG #55 Jason Williams
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SG #31 Ricky Davis
http://www.onlinesports.com/images/phf-aafh017.jpg

SF #1 Dorell Wright
http://www.nba.com/media/dwright_300_070107.jpg

PF #40 Udonis Haslem
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C #32 Shaquille O'Neal
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Bench
http://www.hickerphoto.com/data/media/24/Garden_Bench_T2451.jpg

Bobcats
Walter Herrmann, Derek Anderson, Jared Dudley, Ryan Hollins, Jermareo Davidson, Matt Carroll, Jeff McInnis

Heat
Smush Parker, Mark Blount, Alonzo Mourning, Daquean Cook, Anfernee Hardaway, Alexander Johnson, Dwyane Wade

Coaches
http://www.gamasutra.com/features/20051108/coach.jpg

Bobcats
Sam Vincent: 1 season as head coach(1 with Bobcats)(1-0)
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Bulls
Pat Riley: 24 seasons as head coach(11 with Heat)(1182-620)
http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Sideline/1122/rileywin.jpg

Injuries
http://www.orlandoscooterrentals.us/images/wheelchair.jpg

Bobcats
(out)Sean May(microfracture surgery - knee)
http://www.hoopshype.com/players/sean_may.jpg
(doubtful)Othella Harrington (athroscopic surgery - knee)
http://www.hoopshype.com/players/othella_harrington.jpg
(out)Adam Morrison(torn ACL - knee)
http://www.hoopshype.com/draft/adam_morrison.jpg

Heat
(doubtful)Dwyane Wade(dislocated shoulder surgery - shoulder)
http://www.hoopshype.com/players/dwyane_wade.jpg

Previous meetings this season
First meeting

[Dead_Real]

From what I hear Wade was activated on Friday but did not play so it's still up in the air whether he'll play tonight or not.

Hopefully we can somehow contain Shaq if he dominates our bigs we'll be in for a LONG day.

Player of the game = J-Rich

[ohara831]

I read they plan to let Wade practice starting Monday. So, they should be without him tonight. Not that I fear him or anything (?) - OK, he's a great player - but I'd much rather play Miami without Wade.

[Wallace15]

Even if Wade somehow plays tonight I still see us winning. If he plays it'll be his first game back. He'll have to get back in the swing of things. I just don't think he'll have a good game if he plays. If we contain Shaq and keep Okafor out of foul trouble I see us winning this 90-101 :biggrin:.

Player of the game-Gerald Wallace, 24pts, 11rbs, 3 blcoks, and 3 stls.

Even though with having GW, Felt, JRich, and Oak, I can see anyone one of them winning player of the game on any day, but G-Force is my pick tonight.

[chabber]

Never underestimate the power of a flopping D Wade and his control over the officials..... :biggrin:

Nah, we should definitely win this one but that is why I'm kinda scared. I can see Haslem causing problems on the boards and Williams and Davis stepping up. If they don't however we'll win pretty easily.

Also like Dav said if we try we should be able to run this team out of the gym. They just don't have the guys to keep up.

[ammofan]

I think we have a better team right now! seriously.....the only thing they have on us right now is shaq(until wade is back) Were gonna win!

[spectre]

Don't forget Zo. Our guys who drive must be cognizant of who's in the paint for their side. Hopefully Felts will look to pull him away from Mek and we'll get a bunch of nasty dunks.

[Alex]

We can win this game. The Heat are a slow team without Wade and even with him since only like two or three players can run on that team. With Felton, Wallace and Richardson we should be able to kill them on the fast break.

Shaq always has good games against Primoz though if I remember correctly so I'm not sure if he's gonna be the non-factor he's been the first two games.

GO BOBCATS!

[spectre]

Odds are Charlotte +3 1/2 and Miami -3 1/2 assuming Wade doesn't play...which is sounds like he won't.

I saw us matched up against them in preseason and we dominated them with our starters. They've sinced added Davis, which I think JRich will cancel out, and Blount. If we can continue with the smart play, movement without the ball and just stay out of foul trouble we should be 2 - 0 after tonight.

[Muttley]

Tamb, glad you got a chance to rejoin the party. I really dig the old-school pics and especially the "bench." I'm not worried about this game. I think we got it if we play focused. Biggest concern is the bigs, but if we can get Shaq in and keep Mek out of foul trouble, then we should be good. Ol' Zo is a guy to watch, what with the blocking, but hopefully Vincent's got a plan for putting up points in the paint. I can't decide whether it'll be JRich or Crash getting player of the game, but I'm thinking it'll be one of them.

[DaFlameking]

yea. remember we upset them in the past so we're not scared in trying to defeat them. This should be a good game. As long as we play steady we should have no problems (i.e. make all free throws)

[rallydurham]

For some reason I think the guy that will give us trouble is Mark Blount. Just a gut feeling.

I think we can handle Haslem/Wright fine.

We need this game, this is the type of game playoff teams win.

[davcbow]

The way I see it if we hit our foul shots and play the way we played the game Friday night we should win it straight out. Shaq should be a little different tonight since he fouled out his last game after 28 minutes so he will be trying to avoid the fouls, if we are smart will will try to take advantage of that. Zo is the better of the old guys right now but he dont play very many minutes as of yet. So I see us winning 101-94 stemming from a 3rd quarter run.... :g:

[Dead_Real]

Panthers sucking it up right now just been playing Stranglehold trying to past the time until 6.

[ammofan]

Panthers sucking it up right now just been playing Stranglehold trying to past the time until 6.


I know.....Carr looks t-e-r-r-i-b-l-e!

[Fromage]

gotta DVR this one. but i'll be watching it late tonight.
No expectations tonight, as i think we still have a lot of gelling to do over the first couple weeks. Can't wait to watch 'em. The Panthers are just plain awful.

[Muttley]

Panthers sucking it up right now just been playing Stranglehold trying to past the time until 6.


I know.....Carr looks t-e-r-r-i-b-l-e!


I hear an echo.

Oh, wait, it's just that you're saying what's being repeated over and over again in my head!

We should've played Moore a lot sooner, if for no other reason than to give him some snaps.

[Muttley]

Oh, and GO CATS!!!

[ALong13]

If you can't see the game on TV, then you can go to www.channelsurfing.net once the game begins, and click the Bobcats vs. Heat link midway down....double click the screen once it loads to go to full screen, picture isn't too bad....that's for anyone who wants to watch it and can not on the TV...

Go CATS!

[Dead_Real]

Time is going slow as hell I swear.

[davcbow]

If you can't see the game on TV, then you can go to www.channelsurfing.net once the game begins, and click the Bobcats vs. Heat link midway down....double click the screen once it loads to go to full screen, picture isn't too bad....that's for anyone who wants to watch it and can not on the TV...

Go CATS!


Great find, Im watching the game now... :g:

[aznjustice14]

GREAT FIND!! i live in berkeley right now so i still can't watch but this is awesome

[Dead_Real]

I hope Wallace is alright.

[aznjustice14]

NOOOOOO WALLACE!!!! they said it looked like he hyperextended his knee...hopefully he's alrite...he sorta got up by himself after like 15 seconds...not completely tho...damnit!!

[ALong13]

This isn't good Wallace just went down and he looked in pain, they said he could of hyperextended it, hopefully it isn't too bad...

[ALong13]

Thankfully wallace is back...

[aznjustice14]

damn this is like the first game i've watched live since the orlando magic nationally televised game and it is scary as hell watching highflyers go at the basket!! wallace first and then richardson just then was shaking off his leg a bit after gettin fouled goin to the basket...with our injury history its just scary all the time!

[ALong13]

lol that's true, but that is there style of play, but I'm just glad to have Crash coming back into the game, and we are on a 9-2 run so yea I'm happy right now...McInnis isn't looking too bad, sure he's not scoring, but his defense has been pretty good since coming in...

55-48 at halftime...

Brezec shot was terrible lol, wide open and he misses it...just sad...And he has no ups whatsoever...

[ziggy]

Miami is getting pounded. Without Wade they would be a 25-30 win team tops.

[ALong13]

We are looking good tonight, I kind of like the small ball of McInnis, Felton, Wallace, JRich, and Okafor...it's doing pretty good...but I'd like to see Hermann and Jermareo Davidson get some time..

Bobcats up by 12 at the end of the third quarter...

[Alex]

Man we have gone below freezing cold in the 4th. This isn't looking too good unless Coach V motivates them somehow during this time out. We have to make it simple again like we were doing the first three quarters. There's no reason why we won't end up scoring 100 in this game.

[ALong13]

Nothing worse than having the game tied with a minute to go and the confidence on Miami's side...We need to start shooting...

[Edrow]

Whew. That's about all I can say. Thank God Wade wasn't playing tonight.

On the bright side, how sick is J-Rich from the perimeter?

-Edrow

[Alex]

PHEWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!

Man, two games in a row we almost killed ourselves in the fourth quarter, this time because we stopped executing and went completely cold but huge, HUGE free throws by Raymond and Touché to get us the victory.

2-0 babyyyyyyyy

[x2pacalypse]

man that internet feed was great the first half, but the second half it was shitting all over me....

did this happen to anybody else? and i also almost broke my keyboard over my forehead i was so pissed with the combination of our 4th quarter meltdown and the internet feed skipping every 3 seconds

[Dead_Real]

That was a close one but a win is a win props to Richardson and Felton both played great.

2-0 is a great thing.

[Alex]

It was VERY important to get this win with the Suns coming to town because you have to be realistic that our chances against them aren't very high but hey you never know.

[King Taharqa]

A win is a win.

GO BOBCATS!!!! 2-0!!!

[ohara831]

I am happy with the win. We almost blew a 16 pt lead, but that is a game we would have lost last year. We have to play smarter against Phoenix tho if we want to be 3-0. We need help from Detroit tonight to beat Atlanta!

[ohara831]

I also don't know why Jermareo is not getting any time? I know he's a rookie, but without May or Othello playing, we need him to get some game experience.

[dav7z]

Good win but i don't think coach trust our beanch at all except for Jeff
Think tease extended mins are waring us down in the fourth .
Boxscore
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=271104014

[Alex]

Yeah I agree with dav7z, seeing as he's a rookie coach, coach V is depending on the guys who he knows will come through for him and who he trusts. I think slowly though as the season wears on he'll start trusting our bench more and give those guys some burn. Herrmann and Carroll definitely need more playing time because their offense could of helped us in that horrible 4th quarter tonight.

[Muttley]

Yeah, it's kind of crazy that Carroll wouldn't be in at the end there. However, lots and lots of credit has gotta go out to McInnis. He's really impressed me in the two games we've had this season (not that hard to do considering how I regarded him before the season started).

Go Bobcats! Undefeated at 2-0! Bring on the Suns!

[ziggy]

A win is a win.

yessir. An ugly win is still counts as a win.
I'll take it.

[Dead_Real]

The way our offense has been running in the first two games of the season the game against the Suns should be fun as hell.

[Grandmama]

Those are two games that we would have lost in the previous years. As stated earlier ugly wins are still wins. Losing all those close games in the past two years looks like it might have given us some testicular fortitude. Agonizing finish but 2-0 is still 2-0.

[qchoops]

Ran the numbers - http://www.queencityhoops.com/GameRecap110407.php. And the Bobcats actually lost - when it comes to adjusted +/-. But as Grandmama said, a win is a win. First place in the Southeast - not bad.

[Wallace15]

Wasn't able to watch the game or follow a gamecast but I'm glad to see we won. It feels great that we've won our first 2 games. By reading what all of you've said we just about gave the game away in the 4th. I would have been pissed as hell if I would have came home and it said "Bobcats blow double-digit lead and LOSE." But tonight does sound like a game we would have lost last year, but we're 2-0, on top of the SE division and nobody can take that away from us.

Good to see JRich went off for 29pts. He had 6 3's. Nice 8).

[davcbow]

I would take 82 wins a year like that but Im not sure my heart could take it. LOL
Great away win for us...... :g:

Heres a write up on the game.
http://www.sportsnetwork.com/default.asp?c=sportsnetwork&page=nba/news/acn4111123.htm

Go Bobcats!

[dvdbumpus]

Watched the 2nd half, and man, the 4th quarter was UGLY! 3rd quarter J-rich was on fire and the team looked awesome. That's a game we would have lost in past seasons, but we pulled it out. Awesome win guys!


Felton looked good most of the game, but the 4th was ugly.....

[tamburello]

I watched the game. For the first 3 quarters, we were really shooting well. Also I like our flowing offense. But we were a little bit lucky, if Wade was there, we'd have probably lost, because he could have easily drawn silly fouls. But these two wins prove that we're no longer a rookie team, we can get the job done while the game is still not decided.

Vincent's system looked great to me. Whenever J-Rich shoots like that, we can hardly lose. But, Vincent has a mistake IMHO. Since we already lack May, Morrison and even Harrington, he should have used his bench much more than this. Look at those, J-Rich 44 mins, Felton 42 mins, "hyperextended" Wallace, 40 mins; while "4.5 million man" Carroll 7 mins, Herrmann 3 mins. This is ridiculous.

Vincent has to balance minutes, but I don't forget that he's a rookie coach, he'll learn it by seeing himself. Hopefully we won't lose too much games in this learning process.

Also we've made some meaningless turnovers, especially Richardson's dribbling skills are a little bit weak, and Felton also made some weird passes to 56th row, but I liked both of their shooting. That's certain that Felts will shoot better than 38%.

Despite all cons, I'm very very hopeful with this team's future. I mostly liked the style of playing :D

[Fromage]

I disagree. Wade would not have made the difference, except maybe at the end.

The way I saw it, we kicked the shit out of those guys for 3 quarters. We should have won by 20. But as I've been saying, we're going to sputter as we get our rythm. This was a great win. Period.

2-0. It's starting to happen folks. This is going to be fun.

go bcats.

[spectre]

I disagree.  Wade would not have made the difference, except maybe at the end.

The way I saw it, we kicked the shit out of those guys for 3 quarters.  We should have won by 20.  But as I've been saying, we're going to sputter as we get our rythm.  This was a great win.  Period.

2-0.  It's starting to happen folks.  This is going to be fun.

go bcats.



+1!

Our bench just isn't stepping up very well except Touche' when they do get on the court.  I love the Hammer, but he's been struggling, and Touche' is getting the PT for defense.  We also don't see how the bench does play in practice; I imagine PT gets earned there as well.

BTW...like Crash said in the after game interview...last year we would have lost those 2 games. Now we're winning them.

As an aside...take the time to check our guys stats out on their NBA.com player pages.  Everyone has stellar numbers, and it's great to see!  All but Felts over 50%, and he's dragging us down with a palrty 48%.  He does make up for that in leading us in 3 pt @ 57%...barely squeeking by JRich at 56%.  Crash is also over 50% but is struggling from 3.

And that's not all; steals, rebounding...awesome all around efforts.

[Alex]

I disagree. Wade would not have made the difference, except maybe at the end.

The way I saw it, we kicked the shit out of those guys for 3 quarters. We should have won by 20. But as I've been saying, we're going to sputter as we get our rythm. This was a great win. Period.

2-0. It's starting to happen folks. This is going to be fun.

go bcats.



+1!

Our bench just isn't stepping up very well except Touche' when they do get on the court. I love the Hammer, but he's been struggling, and Touche' is getting the PT for defense. We also don't see how the bench does play in practice; I imagine PT gets earned there as well.

BTW...like Crash said in the after game interview...last year we would have lost those 2 games. Now we're winning them.

As an aside...take the time to check our guys stats out on their NBA.com player pages. Everyone has stellar numbers, and it's great to see! All but Felts over 50%, and he's dragging us down with a palrty 48%. He does make up for that in leading us in 3 pt @ 57%...barely squeeking by JRich at 56%. Crash is also over 50% but is struggling from 3.

And that's not all; steals, rebounding...awesome all around efforts.


It's just two games, let's not get too excited. Everyone's stats look nice after two games.

[spectre]

Heh, that's the point of looking at them now...they might not ever be this good again!

[qchoops]

Not Gilbert Arenas - he's shooting 33% from the field and 6% on 3's (no typo - 1 of 17). I wouldn't go so far as to say they won't be this good again - but I think we should enjoy first place while it lasts - it may be next season before it happens again once we fall out of it.

[Fromage]

for 3 qtrs, we opened up a can.
ya see the look onWade's face in the 3rd?

MVP so far this season (ha) = Felton.

[davcbow]

From the BCats site... Ive looked at this section over and over since the team began and I love this folks....



Previous Game
Final
Bobcats 90
Heat 88
Recap | Box Score

Standings
2-0, First, Southeast

[Fromage]

Some new Cardiac Cats in town.