Be the GM...Find Us a Big/Backup PG!

[spectre]

ESPN Trade Machine (http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/trademachine)

Using the Trade Machine let's come up with an idea that Jordan can run with (you know they read these forums). Try to think of a reason the other team might do it as well (no Harrington for Stuckey deals!).

I'll start the ball rolling:

Trade #1...Charlotte trades Primoz Brezec & Othello Harrington to Detroit for Nazr Muhammed.

Why Detroit does it: Nazr doesn't have a bad yearly deal at 6 per, but it's for 4 years. Detroit tried without any takers this past summer to move him and would still like to get out of his long term deal. Primoz would actually help them (Nazr only gets like 12 mpg) by giving them an outside big. They just cut Harrington...which is their cost for us doing the deal.

Why Charlotte does it: Gain a big that can start (tho not IMO the "ultimate" starter) as well as gaining a roster spot.

Trade #2...Charlotte trades Fabio for Patrick O'bryant

Both expiring...Fabio should fit into their style better than POB. We need the big depth since Twigs is out with a partially torn shoulder muscle.

With the extra roster spot we pick up Ken Lucas III as backup PG.

Felton/Lucas/Touche'
JRich/Hammer/DA
Crash/Duds
Mek/Davidson/Nazr
Nazr/POB/Davidson

[bizzlecatz]

NY fans are calling for a fire sale after last night 50 point lost. They only want to keep the players on rookie contracts.How do you all feel about Eddy Curry with our defensive minded coaches, he might be a good pairing with Mek at center.

Thoughts,

Sorry Spectre, I only read the boards and post when time permits. I'm not good with the Trade Machine or salary.

forgot to add the PG I would like to see on the team, backing up Felts.

How about: Orien Greene.

[123together]

sign lorinza (junior) harrington to be the backup PG,, and attempt to trade for someone like a desegana diop for primoz and walter (even tho walter is my personal favorite player)

[spectre]

S'cool Bizzle...I'll give it a shot.

The problem with trading for players over 4 or 5 million is we'd either have to include a core piece or give them multiple players. If they're over the cap (which most are) they can only take up to 125% + 100k of the outgoing player's salary back in trade.

If we go solely on the NYK's just wanting to dump Curry's salary this would work:

Primoz/Harrington/Ammo for Eddy Curry. The Knicks are at the player limit so 2 of those would be cut...about 5 million out.

Would they do that? Doubtful. The Knicks have always been over the cap by multiples, so salary isn't that big a consideration.

To get realistic we'd have to dip into our core 4 and/or add our pick. If you want to do that give me a name and I'll put a trade together.


forgot to add the PG I would like to see on the team, backing up Felts.

How about: Orien Greene.

If he's still without a team you'll create a roster spot in the NYK trade...so that would be good to go. IF we go with that example I laid out we'd probably have to send our pick...top 5-10 even.

[spectre]

sign lorinza (junior) harrington to be the backup PG,, and attempt to trade for someone like a desegana diop for primoz and walter (even tho walter is my personal favorite player)


We can't do both because of salary.  Check that link I provided...all you do is click in the box beside the name and hit "try this trade".  This will also let you know who's NOT available for trade (Hammer, Touche' and DA). I think they will become available for trade on December 15th.

Either alone will work, but would Dallas trade their starting C (tho he's only playing for 24 minutes) for Primoz or Fabio?  That will HAVE to include our pick.

[ziggy]

I played around with the trade checker to get Chris Wilcox from Seattle, hes the kind of physical banger that we could use and theres several combinations that would work (Walter & Primoz for example), but unfortunately I don't see any legitimate deal that we would be willing to make that they would accept.

[bizzlecatz]

S'cool Bizzle...I'll give it a shot.

The problem with trading for players over 4 or 5 million is we'd either have to include a core piece or give them multiple players. If they're over the cap (which most are) they can only take up to 125% + 100k of the outgoing player's salary back in trade.

If we go solely on the NYK's just wanting to dump Curry's salary this would work:

Primoz/Harrington/Ammo for Eddy Curry. The Knicks are at the player limit so 2 of those would be cut...about 5 million out.

Would they do that? Doubtful. The Knicks have always been over the cap by multiples, so salary isn't that big a consideration.

To get realistic we'd have to dip into our core 4 and/or add our pick. If you want to do that give me a name and I'll put a trade together.


forgot to add the PG I would like to see on the team, backing up Felts.

How about: Orien Greene.

If he's still without a team you'll create a roster spot in the NYK trade...so that would be good to go. IF we go with that example I laid out we'd probably have to send our pick...top 5-10 even.


Last night was a wake up call for NY fans. They are ready to rebuild, I'm thinking they would want picks and expirings. idk, maybe Walter, piggy, or a 2nd, if we have one. They would be lottery bound, so a top pick might do it.

It would also be worth it, if Mek decide to walk. All thou I don't think he would.

430K to sign an undrafted rookie, I would do now, because I can't take too much more of Mcinnis.

Orien Greene is a pass first PG, who play defense, Which can also be groomed for the future. Everytime Felts stumble it scares me.

[WarioVsMooChicken]

Has Boykins got a team yet?

[bobcat4life]

i like the junior harrington sign and then go for curry and or wilcox. jr is a pass first pg with height and plays good defense. curry and wilcox can run the floor well but i'll give the edge to wilcox because of his mean streak. besides curry had the heart problem but if that's okay either is fine :afro:jr is also from my high school so i'd love to see one of the locals when i come to the games.

[TheBeagle]

I tried my dream trade and it went through, partially.

We send NO: Raymond, Mek, Walter and Primoz

We get: CP3 and Tyson Chandler

That was successful via the apparatus

I imagine if we include an unconditional 1st rounder so that we also acquire David West, that'd be kosher too.

Why would we do this? Won't explain the obvious reasons, but we wouldn't have to worry about shelling out 13M or so for Mek (Chandler and West both are at multi-year, 10.5M, to give some perspective), acquiring a big via FA, or constantly worrying about our PG dillema. All that would be needed is strengthening our bench, which would be addressed in off-season.

Why would NO do this? The Hornets are about as popular in NO as they were in Charlotte during their lame duck '02 season, with horrific attendance...and they have a good team! Chris would love to play in his home state, plus he would be the Identity (to borrow from ohara!) that would draw a few more casual fans into the Arena, and certainly force the Winston-Salem Journal (Chris's hometown paper) to cover the 'Cats, making them noticeable. This has the potential to be a massive cost-cutting move by the Hornets also.

I don't imagine this has a snowball's chance of happening, but it would turn the 'Cats into an absolute beast with a SL of:

Chris Paul
Jason Richardson
Gerald Wallace
David West
Tyson Chandler

My eyes water at that prospect. :o :o :o

[dvdbumpus]

I'd love to get David Lee.....

[MattD]

I tried my dream trade and it went through, partially.

We send NO: Raymond, Mek, Walter and Primoz

We get: CP3 and Tyson Chandler

That was successful via the apparatus

I imagine if we include an unconditional 1st rounder so that we also acquire David West, that'd be kosher too.

Why would we do this? Won't explain the obvious reasons, but we wouldn't have to worry about shelling out 13M or so for Mek (Chandler and West both are at multi-year, 10.5M, to give some perspective), acquiring a big via FA, or constantly worrying about our PG dillema. All that would be needed is strengthening our bench, which would be addressed in off-season.

Why would NO do this? The Hornets are about as popular in NO as they were in Charlotte during their lame duck '02 season, with horrific attendance...and they have a good team! Chris would love to play in his home state, plus he would be the Identity (to borrow from ohara!) that would draw a few more casual fans into the Arena, and certainly force the Winston-Salem Journal (Chris's hometown paper) to cover the 'Cats, making them noticeable. This has the potential to be a massive cost-cutting move by the Hornets also.

I don't imagine this has a snowball's chance of happening, but it would turn the 'Cats into an absolute beast with a SL of:

Chris Paul
Jason Richardson
Gerald Wallace
David West
Tyson Chandler

My eyes water at that prospect. :o :o :o


never would happen... why no would do it is basically more reasons for the cats, and they would have an expiring mek... not likely... I say try and move someone for andray blatche, put oak at center, and have a running team, who cares if oak is undersized at c if we run, and when we dont or when we play d hes still pretty good, put andray at pf as a shooting big who can get rebs, put crash at sf and let him do his thing, but maybe take it easy on the threes, jrich (who needs the ball more) at sg, and felton at pg... that sounds solid. And stop running ray at sg, why take jrich out... its like he misses two shots and everyone says his night is over

ray/mcinnis/da?
jrich/carroll
crash/dudley/ammo (is he still on the team can we get rid of him, with dudley why do we need him?)
blatche/jamareo/may (same thing as above)
Mek/Hollins/Primoz :(

Ditch Primoz asap, ditch ammo... think about gs the ultimate running team, they played their games with harrington who is 6'9 at center... and they got to the playoffs, we can do it too if we do it right and dont waste minutes on guys who shouldnt be out there(cough primoz cough)

[spectre]

I played around with the trade checker to get Chris Wilcox from Seattle, hes the kind of physical banger that we could use and theres several combinations that would work (Walter & Primoz for example), but unfortunately I don't see any legitimate deal that we would be willing to make that they would accept.


See that's the thing; the guys we'd like to have a LOT of teams would like to have...so not only do we have to make it fair, we have to make it enticing. Why take Primoz or Fabio from us when they could get say a Rip Hamilton?

Not only is it a little difficult to get trades to work, it's MUCH more difficult to get something that both teams would accept.

Wilcox...I'm right with ya Zig, I'd LOVE to have him. A legit scoring 4 that can run the court and plays pretty good defense is exactly what we need. The bad thing is probably 10 other teams would overpay for him.

Andray Blatche isn't going anywhere. He's the guy you roll the dice and hoping to get lucky, and DC struck gold. Blatche is locked into a 5 year 14 million dollar contract...which is a flat out steal. Guys like him and his contract is what makes it easier to field a great team.

Chris Paul...we don't have the trade pieces. Whatever we would offer some other team would offer more...even their all star. If Kobe didn't have a no trade clause I'd bet the Lakers would do a straight Kobe for Paul/Chandler. He would get a star back.

When people bash the front office about not bringing in legit big help (not pointing at anyone in here...mostly on other sites) they should try their hand at themselves. Sure you can cut salary (Pigboy) and bring in a D-Leaguer, but a lot of those guys are fool's gold. They look like sheep amongst wolves in the big leagues. Getting REAL help is damn hard.

[TheBeagle]

never would happen... why no would do it is basically more reasons for the cats, and they would have an expiring mek... not likely...

Dude, we're in the middle of what will likely be a 13+ game losing streak: No need to rain on my parade. Just let me live in my fantasy world so as to better cope with this Bobcats disaster on our hands. :wink:

[MattD]

Andray Blatche isn't going anywhere. He's the guy you roll the dice and hoping to get lucky, and DC struck gold. Blatche is locked into a 5 year 14 million dollar contract...which is a flat out steal. Guys like him and his contract is what makes it easier to field a great team.


I know and it hurts! when i lived in dc i watched him play and knew he is going to be good... it really was not a crapshoot